over the last several years. >> it's all platitudes and cliches and spreading of conspiracy theories. >> donald trump's federal election interference case. >> the judge ordering a pause. >> the court of pappeals is considering issues that could render the entire thing moot. >> president biden meeting with the families of eight americans still held hostage by hamas. >> it's the results that count, the reality of global opinion, it also matters. >> absolute horrors in gaza. it was chilling. it was harrowing, and a very sobering experience. good thursday morning, everyone. i'm phil mattingly, with erica hill, poppy is off today. today is day one of house republicans having voted to formalize an impeachment inquiry into president biden. it's a step they say they think will strengthen their oversight powers as they investigate biden and his family's alleged foreign

business dealings. every single republican voted to authorize the inquiry even though the year-long investigation has failed to uncover wrongdoing by the president. many acknowledge they haven't found enough evidence to actually impeach biden. >> do you have proof that joe biden acted corruptly to help his son? >> an impeachment inquiry is not about proof. >> i don't know that you're going to see a high crime and misdemeanor. >> how close are you to support impeachment of the president? >> we're not there. >> gop leadership has made clear that formalizing the inquiry does not mean impeaching the president is inevitable. republicans argue the move was in response to stone walling by the biden administration when it comes to handing over documents. the president responding shortly after that vote saying, quote, instead of doing their job on the urgent work that needs to be done, they are choosing to waste time on this baseless political stunt. that vote unfolded hours after the president's son hunter biden defied the republican investigator subpoena for

closed-door testimony yesterday. gop leaders say the vote sends a message loud and clear to the white house. >> evidence uncovered has shown a very disturbing trend by the biden family. we've spent months in this investigation accumulating evidence. we have a simple question that i think a noteworthy majority of americans have, what did the bidens do to receive the tens of millions of dollars from our enemies around the world? >> and we begin this hour, the spokesperson for the white house counsel's office ian sams. appreciate you being here this morning. i want to start with what house judiciary committee chairman jim jordan said yesterday about the rationale for having the formalized vote saying, quote, he thinks it will help us get key individuals in to speak with us in a more timely fashion and get us documents that mr. comer has been after for a while. is that true? >> no. these guys have made up and moved the goal post every step of the way of this

investigation. it's all baseless. they've been investigating the president all year long. for example, they've gotten 100,000 pages of documents. they've interviewed witnesses for 40 hours, and guess what, they've come up with not a single shred of evidence of any wrongdoing of any kind by president biden. yet they're storming ahead with this impeachment stunt anyway to please their far right base and play politics. and it really cheapens what is a historically grave constitutional remedy of last resort. they're using it almost like a -- you know, like a political attack ad. they're going to keep doing this over and over and over again because every time they float a claim about the president, a claim of wrongdoing it gets debunked and they get embarrassed, and what's really unfortunate is that the entire republican conference has now gone along with this stunt instead of taking action on real priorities on real issues that are facing the country and the world as we head into the end of the year, and these republicans

are leaving town for a month without acting. >> to that point, the unanimous republican vote i think would have surprised people three or four weeks ago. one of the reasons or the primary reason that a lot of moderate republicans or republicans from biden won districts, particularly in places like new york, said they needed the tools, right? this was going to give them the ability to, as chairman jordan was saying, have people come in, do more of the investigation, which was in part driven by your own special counsel from the white house special counsel's office citing a trump era office of legal counsel opinion that said without a formal vote you could not have the compulsory process that comes with impeachment power sochlt i guesd the white house dare them to go down this path? there's a process you're supposed to follow in congressional oversight. these guys haven't followed it. they've blazed right through. we've offered over and over and over again throughout this congress to meet with them, to talk with them, to hear about any legitimate informational

needs they may have, and time and time again they've ghosted us. they don't respond to questions that we have for them. they don't reach out to have meetings. so they've just blazed through this process, and there's a reason why. the reason why is that this is a preordained outcome. marjorie taylor greene who right now is probably the most powerful member of the house republican conference, introduced articles of impeachment on day one of joe biden's presidency, before he could even be the president, do anything, they've decided from the moment that he took office that they were going to impeach him, and this is a natural continuation of that process, and now what they've done is wasted millions and millions of taxpayer dollars on a fishing expedition trying to drum up an excuse for it. they've blazed through this process wrongly, and i don't think that that's a fair characterization, and i think as the facts come out people will see that. >> on the point you're making now, the question has been what underpins the process here? what underpins the allegations here? and speaker mike johnson in a

usa today opinion piece laid out what he said were the accusations, they include from 2014 to 2019, biden family members and affiliates have more than $15 million from foreign entities. 22 examples of president biden speaking or meeting with hunter biden's foreign business associates, payments to president biden from hunter biden's business account, and interim report saying there's special treatment of hunter biden from the justice department. the credible fbi source giving information about alleged bribe to then vice president biden and the president and white house have lied multiple times about his involvement in his family's business schemes. do you dispute all of those outright? >> not only do i dispute those j jougt outright, just two days ago, republicans in congress were telling your colleagues in the media that there is no evidentiary basis for them to pursue impeachment. they've seen nothing. they don't see the grounds for it is what is a republican senator told "politico." they're just making up lies to

attack the president in a relentless smear campaign that, frankly, has been going on for four straight years now. we went through an impeachment in the last administration over these same made up allegations, and republicans in the house are just rewinding the tape and running it again to try to score political points against the president instead of doing their actual jobs for the american people. you pointed out one of those things. they act like they get these smoking guns, and they create a ton of attention and energy and they act -- they send the siren emojis on twitter, and it turns out last week, for example, one of those payments that they're talking about was about a pickup truck. >> the car loan. >> these are the kinds of things that they're making up to attack the president. >> i want to ask while i have you, hunter biden had a very public moment yesterday outside the house saying he wanted to testify publicly . the white house said it was aware hunter biden was going to do that, did he agree with the strategy of doing that?

>> well, look, i'm not going to get into others' conversations with his son, except to say hunter's a private person. he can make his own decisions about how to handle these sofrts of things. the president loves and is proud of him. he overcame a dark period in his life and has stood tall and is in recovery. something that's getting lost, hunter offered to testify publicly and transparently. he offered, and the house republicans rejected it, and it bets gets gets to the point of what they're doing, they'll never be satisfied. they'll continue attacking over and over again, no matter what the facts are. what's really scary is they're abusing such a grave constitutional process to do it. >> in the statement that hunter biden made yesterday he said let me state as clearly as i can, my father was not financially involved in my business. he was unequivocal about that, but that is an evolution of where the president had been during the campaign, where the

white house had been at the start of the campaign. not involved financially in the business is very different than not talked about the business, was that an intentional point of clarity? >> i dispute the premise of that question. it's one of jim jordan's favorite little shiny objects is to try to take a semantic thing and make an argument that is somehow far afield from what they're focused on. we've been extremely clear over and over again for years and nothing has changed. the president was not in business with his son, period. they're trying to make up all sorts of allegations. >> ian, with respect, i'm not citing jim jordan here, i was in some of the white house press briefings where it was said the president did not talk to his son about business dealings. i think the statement has changed and been prmore precise. i'm not saying this is an impeachable offense or some grand indictment, but it is a fact that the president said one thing that ended up being doing

not true. >> again, i dispute that that's true. that is not true. the truth is that he wasn't in business with his son. the republicans have for years been trying to make arguments -- >> i'm not saying he was in business with his son. >> over and over again those have been refuted. what they do is try to take semantic games and try to distract from the actual truth, which is that all of these things have been debunked, these allegations are false, and they're using their power in congress to launch this impeachment inquiry over false allegations that have no basis in reality. >> it is certainly center stage for house republicans as, as you noted, very critical negotiations about the president's national security sup supplemental ongoing, at least on the senate side. turning to a cnn exclusive, a u.s. intelligence assessment shows nearly half the bombs israel has dropped on gadsza sie the hamas attacks on october 7th are what are referred to as dumb bombs.

they are imprecise and unguided. the assessment says those dumb bombs are likely contributing to the soaring civilian death toll. cnn's natasha bertrand is live at the pentagon with nmore on this reporting. we're hearing, hey thr, this ist of what happens in a war. what more have you learned? >> reporter: we're learning that the intelligence community assesses that of the 29,000 air to ground munitions that israel is estimated to have dropped on gaza over the last two plus months, roughly 40 to 45% of those munitions have actually been unguided dumb bombs and that is really significant because it could be contributing, as you said, to the soaring civilian death toll in the gaza strip because those dumb bombs are extremely imprecise, and they are known to miss their targets, unlike precision guided missiles, which of course can also miss their targets, but at least they are guided in a way that allows them to be a little bit more accurate. experts that we spoke to said

this is really concerning because the israeli military does have access to precision guided munitions. the u.s. has provided the israelis with thousands of bomb kits that allow them to transform these dumb bombs in their unguided munitions into smart bombs that, again, allows them to be a little more precise. but look, the white house has really been struggling to answer questions about the discrepancy between what president biden has called an indiscriminate bombing campaign with the white house's claims that israel is doing everything that it can to protect civilians. something that experts said is directly undercut by the u.s. assessment that they are not using the most precise munitions in their arsenal. here's what national security council spokesperson john kirby said when pressed on this discrepancy yesterday. >> sometimes in war and again, i'm not speaking for the israelis, sometimes in war, your best plans, your best execution

of those plans doesn't always go the way you want it to go. doesn't always go the way you expect it to go. >> so national security adviser jake sullivan, he is going to be in israel today and tomorrow, and he is going to be discussing with the israelis the fact that the u.s. expects them to be more precise and more surgical in their campaign in gaza because according to the hamas run gaza administrative health, 18,000 palestinian civilians, palestinians i should say, have been killed over the last two months of war. the use of these dumb bombs, which the u.s. has criticized other countries for using in war zones, really is not helping the case that the israelis are trying to make, that they are doing everything they can to protect civilians. >> really appreciate the reporting this morning, thank you. the federal judge in donald trump's election interference case now pressing the pause button. why she's stepping back. plus, abortion access will

once again go bf efore the conservative leaning supreme court, the case the justices are set to decide on in the new year.

you're looking at a beautiful december morning in new york city, and well, move down to washington a little bit, and you understand there are major legal issues ahead. a federal judge hitting the brakes on donald trump's 2020 election interference case. judge tanya chutkan has paused all procedural deadlines while appeals play out. special counsel jack smith has asked the supreme court to decide whether trump has any immunity from criminal prosecution for alleged crimes he committed while in office. chutkan's order would allow the appeals process to run its course which could delay the march 2024 trial days. joining us to explain a lots of legal issues and a lot of important ones at that, cnn senior legal analyst elie honig. walk us through what we heard from judge chutkan. >> these are really big developments in the trump trial. the one we're focused on is the federal doj jack smith indictment of donald trump relating to 2020 election

interference. donald trump has made the argument he has criminal immunity, cannot be prosecuted because he alleged what he did was within his scope of the federal judge as president. the district judge tanya chutkan rejected that. ordinarily what would happen next is donald trump would appeal up to the court of appeals and then maybe up to the u.s. supreme court. however, what jack smith has done here is ask to do a shortcut, basically he says i want to skip the court of appeals, u.s. supreme court, i want you to take the case directly. it's something they don't do often, but they do from time to time. a couple major things happened yesterday. first of all, the court of appeals issued a ruling saying if we get the case, if we don't get skipped, we're going to mega expedite this thing. judge chutkan said while all of this is playing out, i'm going on pause. she's actually legally required to do that. doj and donald trump agreed that she had to do that, and she said, yes, you're right. she has to stop everything she's

doing while this case is playing out through the appeals. >> so then the question becomes how does that impact, a trial that was set to begin in march. the trump campaign for its part saying this is a big win for the former president. how does that actually play out? >> the calendar is so important here. let's take a quick look, stoed december 14th. this trial is scheduled to start 81 days from today on march 4th. here's the problem, it's going to take -- even if this gets mega expedites, even if the supreme court moves it as fast as possible, that's going to give us a ruling from the supreme court probably sometime in february. now, let's say they keep the case on track, let's say they reject the immunity argument, you can't just resume the case in the middle of february and then go to trial three weeks later because there's so many things that would be happening right now. discovery, pretrial motions. so in all likelihood, assuming we get a ruling late january into february, this march 4th date is just not going to hold. it is going to have to move back. >> the supreme court decided they're going to take up a case

related to a january 6th rioter and his presence in the capitol. why does that connect to president trump? >> this is a guy nobody's really heard of named joseph fisher. one of the january 6th rioters. he was charged and convicted for obstruction of an official proceeding. the theory was he was trying to delay congress from counting the electoral votes. dozens were charged this way. he challenged this, he said the obstruction law does not apply to trying to interfere with congress. what happened on january 6th, even who's brought this case has lost. the courts have said, no, it does apply. the big development yesterday is the supreme court says we're going to take a look. we want this case. now, here's the problem for donald trump for the -- well, good for donald trump, problem for jack smith. two of the four charges against donald trump are that exact statute. so if the supreme court says obstruction does not apply to january 6th, these two charges are out of the case against donald trump. so where does jack smith go from here? he has three options. none of them are great.

trial then hope. >> hope is the real legal -- that's a legal option? >> that is a legal option. yes, exactly. exactly. hope, not a strategy. i don't think he's going to do this one. he can just try the case and then hope the supreme court comes out the right way. but if he tries it and then gets a conviction and then the supreme court overturns it, he could lose the whole case. second of all, he could just drop those two charges, proceed on the other two. that would be seen as a big win for donald trump that would potentially gut his case. and then finally, he can wait. he can say let's see what the supreme court rules, and then we'll hold the trial burks th but that's going to take months. it wouldn't surprise me to see jack smith say hey, supreme court, we need you to expedite this so we can try your case. >> there's a lot going on. we appreciate it. >> sure is. family members whose loved ones were and are still being held by hamas met with president biden at the white house. up nenxt we'll learn more about that meeting and where things stand this morning. you may recall her 4-year-old

great niece was released two weeks ago. she joins us with more on yesterday's meeting.

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cabinet today. the white house says sullivan will hold what it's calling extremely serious conversations about israel's war effort. this as the u.s. pressures israel for a more surgical campaign against hamas in gaza. and all of this coming just a day after president biden hosted relatives of the eight americans held hostage by hamas for their f first in-person meeting. >> it was a terrific, terrific meeting and conversation. we felt that -- and we felt before and were only reinforced in seeing and believing that we could have no better friend in washington or in the white house than president biden himself and his administration. >> joining us now is liz naftali, the great aunt of abigail idan released by hamas two weeks ago. it's goods to have you back with us today. you came out and you were speaking as well as we just heard from jonathan there. what was your takeaway in that meeting about the commitment of

president biden and this administration to bringing these other hostages home, whether they're american citizens or not? >> well, as jonathan said, who's the father of a hostage, first thank you for having me. but as jonathan said, we could have no better partner than president biden in the white house and secretary blinken and their whole team, and the meeting really was an opportunity for these families, american families of sons, daughters, mothers, fathers to have an opportunity to share their stories, and for the president, secretary blinken to hear these stories, and the one thing that they assured us and that we know is that they are doing everything in their power really 24 hours a day seven days a week to work with the israeli government to make the hostages a priority, the american hostages and all these hostages. there's over 110 hostages.

what we did get is confirmation that the president is making this his number one priority, and i'll just add that we hope that the israelis will make the hostage release their priority, and we continue to be appreciative and keep urging the qatar government and the egyptian government and all the people that can to really make sure that these hostages can come home. it's been 69 days. >> the director of mow sad was st set to go to doha. that is not happening. war cabinet officials felt conditions were not right at this point. some of the families put out a statement saying they are fed up with the indifference and the deadlock that they are seeing in terms of those negotiations on the part of israel. director bill burns has also been involved in some of those talks. you and some of the families also met with bill burns

yesterday. did he give you any sense of when these talks could potentially be restarted? >> well, first, the talks are private, and we are -- i can't share the exact details. what i can say is that director burns, just like president biden, they are committed to making sure that the pressure is on, and while disappointing to hear that the israeli government has not sent him to continue those talks, we do believe that those talks are continuing, and as i said before, our commitment is to make sure that these talks do continue. there are over 110 people, fathers, sons, and children and mothers and daughters, and the thing that everybody has to understand -- and this is where the pressure is, they've been there for 69 days, and many of them left with bullet wounds. one young man without an arm, and their conditions are untenable. they're not eating. they don't have food.

they're drinking salt water, and so for us to sit here and to say what should or shouldn't, we're not diplomats. we're just people who have family members, and while i am blessed that abigail, our grand niece returned to our family, i want people to remember that before she was kidnapped, she witnessed her parents, she and her siblings, witnessed her parents being murdered. so all of these hostages are people's family, and so that must be the most urgent matter that the israelis take on to get back these people to come back to their loved ones. >> liz, you have spoken about -- so beautifully, as have a number of other family members of hostages, how you all have become a family. you were very committed to this, as you noted, abigail is home, that does not end this fight for you. how is abigail doing a couple of weeks on now? >> well, abigail is a beautiful 4-year-old, smart, thoughtful, little girl who just wants to

play with her siblings, and play with her friends, kick the soccer ball, play the memory ga game. you know, on the surface abigail is okay, and on the surface her siblings are doing great, and that is because they are with family. they're with their aunts, uncles, grandparent, and their loved ones, and they are going to be embraced and our job is to protect them and make sure that they have a beautiful life. and so abigail is going to be okay, but on the surface she's wonderful, but what she saw, what she experienced, those are things that we all know and mothers and fathers that are listening, we don't know what those -- what is going to come from this. what i do know is that she is getting a lot of love and a lot of care, and she has a beautiful family. >> liz, always appreciate you joining us, thank you. >> thank you for having me. aid for israel and ukraine is in limbo, federal spending talks still stalled, and there seems to be in o'breno breakthr

border talks, but the house has time to debate milk. we'll discuss. >> does the body good. cnn is the first western media outlet to cross into southern gaza to report independently without the israeli military, clarissa ward joins us to talk about what she saw after this rare access inside the war zone.

were you better off four years ago, or are you better off today? >> it is the critical question, as 2024 kicks into gear, donald trump issuing a stark warning from the campaign trail last night. >> if we're not elected, we'll have a depression the likes of

which i don't believe anybody has ever seen, maybe 1929. that's what's going to happen. >> the clear republican front runner moving to press what poll after poll after poll has shown as a clear issue voters care most about. it's fair to say the timing probably could have been better on that front. trump's comments came the same day the federal reserve painted probably the most optimistic view of the economy's future in months. inflation continues to showing meaningful signs of the dissipating. joinings now, washington correspondent for bloomberg, and cnn political congremmentator s jennings. despite everything that happened yesterday on the economic front, the clear advantage trump has on the economy is very real and the clear disconnect between the macro economy and what voters think about what this administration has done is also very significant. >> everything is colored by inflation, and the fact of the matter is -- and we have a new poll out this morning that just

looks at swing state voters, is every economic issue from kitchen table issues, consumer goods, groceries, to interest rates, they all trust the former president more, and it's the first time we actually see in our poll that trump is now also ahead in michigan. yes, it's with the margin of error but where biden is losing is women who historically are the ones that really go see these grocery prices, black americans, but i think it shows that if biden is losing those individuals that he won in 2020, he has a year to make them up. when the macro data is showing that it is moving in the right direction for potentially inflation to come down, i would point out one more nugget hon te economy, we asked people how do you feel about how the state of the overall economy is going for the country. for your state, for your local municipality and more people feel better, there's more positive trends about how they feel their own town is doing and their own economic progress, that's something the biden campaign could build on. overall at the moment, they trust trump more.

>> that is fascinating polling, right, because what we've seen over the last several months is, yes, the numbers are good but people don't feel it. if they're starting it say we're feeling a little bit better about things, where do you take that? the bidenomics messaging does not seem to be working. >> it's not the jobs. it's the inflation. people do not feel like inflation is any different. you know, prices may be coming down a little. they got raised up so much -- >> compared to what. >> and so there's this nostalgia for the good old days of the trump years. i mean, biden ran on getting rid of trump and trump's chaos, but this inflation feels very chaotic for a lot of households, and the interest rates, i think this is the core of the american dream. can i afford to buy a house or a car if i wanted to, and a lot of people feel priced out of that right now. i mean, the average mortgage rate in this country is like double what it was under trump

because of the interest rates. so people are looking book on the trump days saying you seem to have it under control, and they're looking at biden saying not only does he not have it under control but he doesn't seem up to the job of getting it under control. >> one really important statistic i think we need to look at is the price of a gallon of gasoline. it is just over $3 a gallon. trump last night was saying it's 5, 7, 8, 9, that's not true anymore, and the height was last summer at $5. it's coming down, so the only argument i have when you look deeper in the data, trump by and far, there's a trust deficit with the economy with biden, but by and large, the macroeconomic outlook, when you have unemployment below 4% and inflation is coming down, university of michigan sentiment shows consumers are feeling a ill little bit better. they have a tremendous amount of work to do. >> there's no question about that. scott, i want to ask you something we heard from the ghost of everyone's capital past, paul ryan.

>> young gun. >> former speaker of the house, rest in peace young guns, none of them are in congress anymore. it's a very different time. paul ryan is still very reflective of where the republican party used to be, and there's still a lot of republicans there. i want to follow up on that head nod there. listen to what he said at a conference. >> historically speaking, all of his tendencies are basically where narcissism takes him, whatever makes him popular, makes him feel good at any given moment, and he doesn't think in classical liberal conservative terms, he thinks in an authoritarian way, and he's been able to get a big chunk of the republican base to follow him because, you know, he's the culture warrior. >> i don't think paul ryan's general disdain for the former president is a secret. that was very candid, a level of candid he wasn't when he was speaker of the house. how many people feel like that inside the party right now?

>> first of all, we should put paul ryan down as a maybe on trump next year. he has a year to work on him. >> just like biden has a year to work on the economy, trump has a year to work on paul ryan. >> i think he's articulating the divide between the old school republican party elite leadership and where the vibe of the republican grass roots is today. i think, you know, the people who love donald trump would be inclined to hate someone like paul ryan and they did because they just didn't feel like the leadership of the party at that time was being responsive to what they wanted, and that divide persists today. it's just that -- it's just that the -- trump is by far the largest share of that vibe share, whatever you want to call it, but you would hear that sentiment expressed all over washington, d.c. >> from a lot of people who have endorsed donald trump, by the way. >> but you wouldn't hear it, you know, in iowa necessarily from folks going into the caucus.

>> there's been a lot made of the house impeachment vote that we saw yesterday, also what is or is not getting done. hey, milk got done. and that's a big win. how much of a selling point is that? >> at one point the house floor was debating chocolate milk and whether or not we should allow that. >> a very important moment, can we play the congresswoman's sound? >> the nutrients in whole milk, like protein, calcium, and vitamin d provide the fuel santa needs to travel the whole globe in one night. whole milk is the unsung hero of his christmas journey. it begs the question, if whole milk is a good option to fuel santa's extraordinary christmas eve journey, then why isn't it an option for american school children in their lunchrooms?

>> contextualize for people, why are they debates whether or not what santa drinks, scott always gives him bourbon, but why is this on the house floor is related to basically the government, the federal government under the obama administration putting in regulations that kept whole milk out of schools. republicans have been pushing back about that, also democrats from ag districts have been getting a lot of heat on it as well. it passed the house by a wide bipartisan margin. this wasn't just some republican thing. you're dairy free, so i feel like -- >> almond milk, oat. >> there was a debate about almond milk. >> there are a lot of people who think it should be called a nut juice. >> did i spend too much time watching the debate on the floor? i may have. >> where's big cookie in all of this, why is big milk getting all the -- >> you mean cookie monster? >> big skcookie is like we're ao providing energy here. >> the reindeer are flying, where would they be without

their carrots? >> we're asking all the right questions. we have a lot to cover. we're in trouble, we're getting yelled at in our ears. >> we appreciate it, thanks, guys. on a much more serious note, the rise of anti-semitism in the united states has a number of students rethinking where they want to apply to college. cnn sat down with more than a dozen jewiwish familieies who s their prpriorities h have shift.

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as incidents of antisemitism spike on college campuses nationwide, more jewish parents are rethinking where they want their kids to go to school. here is cnn's gabe colin. >> reporter: with growing concerns about antisemitism on elite college campuses -- >> i didn't think i would have to readjust a college list based on concerns about safety for jewish students. >> some jewish parents are reconsidering are where their children will go to college. with safety and how schools have handled antisemitic incidents on campus playing a huge role. >> we are running out of schools. >> reporter: a high school senior in atlanta, still adjusting the list. >> our priorities shifted significantly. the shiny allure of an ivy has been dulled by their administrative responses to the current conflict.

>> as much as i admire resilience, i would like not to have to continuously be resilient in terms of having safety. >> students have revamped their applications. >> reporter: christopher rim says some families are removing schools like cornell and columbia, both under investigation by the department of education after alleged threats to jewish students. as well as the university of pennsylvania, m.i.t. and harvard after last week's disastrous capitol hill testimony from their presidents. >> does calling for the genocide of jews violate penn's rules or code of conduct, yes or no? >> if the speech turns into conduct, it can be harassment. >> reporter: replacing the schools in some cases with colleges further south like emory, vanderbilt and wash u, considered by some to be safer for jewish students. do you get the sense that the

students and families are willing to pass on the opportunity to go to an elite school because of these concerns? >> definitely. i have seen students who i thought would be a shoe in, for example, at columbia, completely make a decision to no longer apply there. >> reporter: jennifer shultz watched her eldest son graduate from cornell like her father decades ago, but she soured on the school since a series of threats to kill or injure jewish people in october ended with a cornell junior facing federal charges. >> after what happens on campus and the death threats to jewish students, it doesn't feel safe. >> reporter: she says her youngest, a high school junior, won't apply there or a few other top tier schools. >> there are places we felt very comfortable with and it is devastating for them to be places where our jewish children are not safe. >> now, we have seen a lot of schools take public steps to address concerns in recent weeksments columbia and harvard

assembled antisemitism task forces and penn's president resigned over the weekend days after that capitol hill hearing with the interim president already saying that every student should feel safe. but, look, phil, erica, it is important to note that supporters of palestinian rights, free speech advocates, including a lot of students on these campuses, say that colleges really should not be silencing protests or any criticisms of israel and they worry schools are heading that direction. they are getting pressure from both sides here. >> absolutely. thank you. poison control centers across the country say they are get a a lot more calls about people a accidentalllly overdod on weighght loss drurugs. thatat's next.

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special edition smart bed only at a sleep number store or sleep number.com. oprah winfrey revealing she uses weight loss medication. oprah stunned at "the color purple" premiere and interview with "people" magazine. she said the fact that there is a medically approved prescription for managing weight and staying healthier feels like relief, redemption, a gift and not something to hide behind and be ridiculed for. >> this morning poison control centers are seeing an 1,500% you crease on people accidentally overdosing on weight loss drugs. dr. sanjay gupta joins us now. are these all connected? why is this happening? >> this is amazing. if you look at just the number of prescriptions that have gone out there, it's skyrocketed. these drugs have only been around a few. look at what happened the past few years. close to 2% of the population of

this country has been prescribed this medication at some point. that's shocking. i mean, these are huge. obviously, even around the world this is prescribed a lot. as you prescribe more and more, you are not surprised to get more and more sort of accidental poisonings, overdoses, things like that. i want to show you something else important here. you see the numbers go up. in march, 2022, all the shortages started happening. what happened? pharmacies started making their own. they started making their own compounded versions that were not tested for safety and efficacy and you saw the poisoning rates go up as well. so that may be a part of this. i think a lot has do -- i don't know how many of you have seen the ozempic pen. this is it. you open it up, put a needle on there and then you dial in the dose that you're actually going give yourself. you do do that. so people starting to work with this may say, hey, it's working, let me give myself more and more and that could be a part of the

problem was well. over overdosing on this. >> what are some of the symptoms? >> yeah. the way this medication works, first of all, you eat and then your body releases hormones saying i just ate, i am not hungry anymore. that is glp-1. this drug is saying let me just sort of make the body make that hormone so the body thinks it's just eaten. so that's essentially -- you feel full. you don't have appetite. that's how it works. that also slows down the intestines. so you are not moving things as long -- as well. that's why you feel pfull also. these are the symptoms may have as a result of having what i just described work too well. that's the issue. >> i am fascinated by the fact you could change your dose with the pen. >> you do that, right. >> if you have symptoms, if you're somebody who feels like you may have overdosed, what do you do. >> there is the poison control center. people should know this number. we could put that number up

there. remember that number, that's a good number to have if you are getting sick, obviously, talk to the doctor. but one thing to keep in mind, with these medications unlikane opioid they last a long time. there is not an anecdote for this. usually about a week is the half-life. so people are going to deal with symptoms with this for some time. so be careful with what you're taking and don't overdo the dosage. if it's working, let work, but don't ramp up the dose without thinking about it. >> there is a reason your doctor gave you a certain dose? >> that's right. it's been studied. >> that works. >> yeah. >> thank you. >> you got it. and "cnn this morning" continues right now. >> after 11 months of this, no one can tell us what president biden's crime was. >> do they know their whole impeachment inquiry is a sham and it will evaporate into thin air when people realize what a