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♪ ♪ ♪ we start this hour at cnn news center with breaking news on israel's war on hamas. the idf saying it mistakenly killed three israeli hostages in gaza. >> an idf spokesman says the victims were missed identified as a threat and shot dead. cnn's jeremy diamond is in sderot, israel with more on this tragic development. jeremy, what more is the idf saying about this? >> reporter: yeah, it's very sad news. the israeli military is admitting that soldiers effectively mistakenly identified these three israeli
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hostages as a threat and shot and killed them during combaera. very heavy fighting between israel and hamas over the course of the last week. two of the three hostages have been identified. one of the families of the one of the deceased hostages asked their name not be broadcast, but the two that we can tell you are your time high and the summer is summer -- who was kidnapped from kibbutz near -- also on october 7th. israeli military effectively recovered the bodies in gaza, moved them to israel where they were taken to a forensic center, and then subsequently positively identified as the bodies of three hostages who have been kidnapped by hamas on october 7th. we should note amid all of this that it comes as the israeli military had loosened its rules
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of engagement as it began this war in gaza following the october 7th attacks. allowing israeli soldiers to fire up on suspected terrorists while kidnapped-ing fewer checks than they normally would have. the israeli military we are told is taking lessons from this incident and transmitting them to soldiers in the field. they also say they, quote, express their deep remorse over the tragic incident and sent the families the heartfelt condolences. this also comes, as we know, that some of those former hostages who were freed as part of that week long truce, they angrily confronted the israeli prime minister last week with one of those former hostages accusing the israeli government of having no information and no intelligence about the whereabouts of these hostages, noting that the location where she was being kept by hamas was actually shelled by the israeli military. today we are learning of a far more tragic and direct incident where israeli forces appear to have fired upon israeli
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hostages in gaza believing they were a threat. then ultimately realizing after the fact that they were indeed hostages. boris and pam? >> jeremy, you mentioned loosened rules of engagement. jake sullivan is in the middle east right now and has expressed the biden administration's concern about the intensity of the idf offensive. president biden's desire for israel to tone it down obviously. how do you think this news will play into the tone of these talks? >> reporter: we will have to wait and see. hostage negotiations are one of the key elements of jake sullivan's visit in his meetings with israeli officials. as you noted, another focus is indeed the civilian casualty count. we have watched is now nearly 19,000 palestinians have been killed in gaza. some of those combatants, many of them non-combatants, including over 7000 children who are believed to be among
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those who have been killed in gaza according to the palestinian ministry of health. jake sullivan said earlier today that he believes israel intends to distinguish between hamas targets and civilians, but that the intention does not always lineup with the reality on the ground. that reality, that mismatch, because really up until now mostly apply to palestinian civilians. in this case however, it appears to also be matching up to a reality that has now affected at resulted in a loss of life of three israeli civilians who were held hostage by hamas. who were unfortunately killed today by israeli forces. >> jeremy diamond, thank you so much. joining us now is idf spokesperson lieutenant colonel jonathan conricus. jonathan, how did this happen? what can you tell us? >> yes. good evening. it's night here in israel. it's a very sad and tragic event, one that the idf, of
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course, terribly regrets and has told that to the families. we are investigating how it happened. one of the contributing factors are obviously related to defect, or can obviously be related to the fact that so far what we have encountered on the battlefield aren't many hamas combatants -- are many hamas combatants who are dressed in civilian clothes. i'm quite sure that has been part of the issue here, but it is still very early to understand and to say that certain things. what we can say and confirm is that we have issued officially -- tragic event that goes against everything what we have been trying to do for the last two months, more than two months. it is day 70 of the fighting, but even a sad event like this will not shake our resolve, and it will not divert us from the focus, which is clear to dismantle hamas. [inaudible] >> sir, you broke up there at
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the end. i am curious because you mentioned the idf is still trying to get details on exactly what transpired. in a statement from the idea, it says immediate lessons from the event have been learned, which have been passed on to all idf troops in the field. can you share what those lessons were? if there's going to be a different approach by the idf now? >> we are looking into how it happened at how it came about. that these hostages were out and trying to understand how that happened whether it was intentional, by hamas, or whether it was not intentional. what we have told our troops is to exercise extreme caution when being confronted by people in civilian clothes. again, part of the complexity here is that we are fighting in a civilian environment where
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almost all of the rpg crews and crews attacking our troops and tanks have been dressed in civilian clothes. so it creates a very dynamic and challenging combat environment. what we have told our troops is to be extra vigilant and do one more safety check before dealing with genetics, with any threat that they face on the battlefield, but it's a very challenging environment that our troops are in. >> just to follow up on what you have said. you said these hostages were out. can you just expand on that a little bit? what do you mean by that? circumstances around this. as we just heard our jeremy diamond talk about the fact that the rules of engagement have been loosened since the october attack. do you think that could have played a role in the killings of these three israeli hostages? >> yeah. i don't know what jeremy bases
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that on. i am not aware of any different rules of engagement. our rules of engagement are those of the military at war against a terrorist organization. a force that uses civilian infrastructure, hospitals, and schools, and mosques, everything you have seen, that you have reported on in the last two months. i am not aware that we have changed any of our rules of our engagement. they are according to the laws of conflict and according to standard practice in war. we will have to look into and analyze exactly what happened, but i can say so far that the three israelis, the former hostages, they were above ground in close proximity to one of our units in the area. then they were misidentified as posing a threat and therefore the israeli troops fired and unfortunately killed them. >> what do you make of the
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calls then from national security adviser jake sulligent for israel to exercise more caution when it comes to civilians and gaza? a report by cnn indicated roughly half the munitions israel was using in the enclave were so called dumb bombs, they were unguided and non precise missiles. we also heard from another hostage who was released that she was afraid she was nearly hurt. she saw someone hurt by an israeli bombing. i wonder does that at all make you rethink the approach in gaza when it comes to being more cautious with civilians that are there? >> [inaudible] various enemies around the world and by others, and echoed unfortunately elsewhere. i think that is a narrative which is very dangerous. and i think it kind of flips the situation perversely i
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would say. the ones who are using civilians as human shields, the ones who are in betting themselves within the civilian population, abusing -- and conducting systematic war crimes on a daily basis are hamas. not us. we are fighting against them and we are doing everything we can in order to distinguish between combatants and non combatants. i understand how this event of course will be used -- >> i don't think there's any question that hamas uses civilian shields. i think that has been established as one of the war crimes that they commit but it's not some random entity that is making the claim that israel can do more or to shield civilians, to save civilian lives. it's the national security advisor of the united states, it's the white house. so i'm wondering what your response would be then to jake sullivan as he's in the region right now asking israeli officials to do more? >> yes. i saw [inaudible]
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few hours ago. in what i understand were very important and fruitful meetings with his israeli counterparts. less military and more political in nature. at the time that we continue to reflect [inaudible] and to listen. to listen to professional and well intentioned criticism, including the ones you mentioned. and to adapt where a place-able, where feasible, and where it is possible to do so while still fighting and beating the enemy. it would be much easier of course to fight in an area where the enemy is not embedded in the civilian population. but again, if we understand, and i think enough people around the world understand the challenges that we are facing. in order to defeat hamas, we have to take them out where they are.
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if they liked to fight out in the open of the deserts of the sinai, we could, metaphorically speaking. but fighting in open areas would be great. not to have civilians at risk, but that is not where the enemy is. we saw that on october the 7th. they came from these very same tunnel systems, these very same strongholds where they are now hiding underneath the civilians. this is where they operate from. and if we don't take them out there, then we will invite additional october 7th attack on our civilians that cannot happen. i agree and we have been listening to critiques. we do take extra caution. we do use ammunition that is tailored to certain areas and we take a lot of preventive steps in order to minimize collateral damage. had we not been doing that in this very difficult, almost impossible, situation, i can assure you that the number of non-combatants that would have been affected would have been much, much higher.
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but we are moving civilians out of the battlefield. we are providing humanitarian assistance. we opened the kerem shalom crossing just a few hours ago, again at the request, and based on the guidance of our allies and friends around the world. we are listening, but at the end of the day, when everything is said and done [inaudible] defeat hamas in order to provide [inaudible] for our civilians. that needs to be front and center. for us, that is front and center of everything we are doing. >> you say that israel is doing everything, that it is abiding by international law, and that it's doing everything to prevent civilian deaths, but we just heard president biden, for his part, say that israel is engaged in indiscriminate bombing. as boris pointed out, how are reporting indicates that israel has used nearly half of its bombs that they've been using has been the so called dumb bombs. they can have certain kids to
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make them more precise, but the bottom line is you heard what president biden said. are you saying that he was wrong to say that israel was engaged in indiscriminate bombing? at what would be in appropriate ratio, do you, for civilian deaths, every civilian death for a hamas fighter. what number do you think would be appropriate given the challenges? >> i think we have to be a little more careful and a little more precise. i don't think he said what you said. i think you referred to the need to be careful. >> he said israel has -- he did say that. he said indiscriminate bombing. >> [inaudible] mistaken -- i think it even was on cnn that there are claims that, and israel needs to be careful so that it isn't perceived as. but the bottom line is that we are indeed careful.
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you alluded to part of what my answer is going to be, and we will have an official response to that cnn story about the sources of munitions and types of munitions. it will be -- there are various kids that are at on kids, gps kits that are added on to various munitions that we used, that turns them from an accurate, or imprecise bombs, two very smart and guided accurate bombs. hopefully in the future we will have -- enable to -- in order to be able to confront that claim as well, professionally and based on numbers and figures. at the end of the day, i think when this war will be over, everybody who is honest enough will be able to see and judge and actually clarify what we have been saying all along. we have many more weapons we
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could have been using that cost much less that have much more yield. [inaudible] precision. i will share something about -- two days ago we had a mass casualty event of ten israeli soldiers who were sadly killed in a hamas ambush that was staged inside a house. israeli troops were sucked into it and the event ended with a few dead terrorists. unfortunately, it ended with ten that israelis. the israeli public says very clearly why didn't you just bought the house before sending troops in? what the idf has responded is that we do not bomb indiscriminately, but that we search on the ground. and when there is reason to use air force capabilities and bigger munitions, we do so. i think that is the extremely sad response that i can bring as proof to the fact that we do not just use munitions order to
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strike various locations. we use only when there is a need. and even when it would be easier for us just to bomb suspect locations. sadly, that also comes at a price. the detailed response to cnn's reporting. lieutenant colonel johnson. we have to leave the conversation there. thanks for sharing your perspective. >> thank you for having me. >> of course. we're going to continue following this breaking news. the idf says that they mistakenly killed three israeli hostages. the very latest when we come back on cnn.
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turning now to exclusive new cnn reporting about highly classified intelligence that went missing at the end of the trump administration. cnn has learned that the intelligence relates to russian election interference. information that was deemed so sensitive that it could only be accessed at the cia. the people working with the until have to keep their notes -- walks in a safe at ca headquarters. >> reporter: in the final weeks of the trump administration, a binder of this intel was brought to the white house at the request of the president,
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as part of an effort to declassify documents. in the final chaotic hours of his presidency, it went missing. bradley moss is a national security attorney. let's begin with cnn's, evan perez, as part of the team that broke the story. evan, walk us through what you have learned. >> you know, we know that this binder was brought to the white house and it contained raw intelligence that the u.s. and its nato allies collected on russian -- the medal in the 2016 election. including sources of the most sensitive information in the intelligence world. what we're talking about here is the underlying intelligence that formed the basis for the u.s. government assessment that vladimir putin sought to help trump win the 2016 election. the disappearance of this binder was so alarming to intelligence officials that they briefed the senate intelligence committee leadership about the situation last year. we are told by one u.s. official that this was not among the classified items found in last year's search of
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mar-a-lago. more than two years later it appears that this binder is still missing. >> so how did the intelligence and up at the white house? >> well, trump was spending years trying to declassify material that he said would prove his claims that the russian investigation was a hoax. this is intelligence that was part of a massive collection of documents. trump ordered and they were brought to the white house. it was a frantic scramble in the final days of the administration to redact documents so they could be declassified and released publicly. his last full day as president, trump did issue a declassification order for some of the materials. the fbi has since published at least some of it on its website. >> are there any clues about where this missing intelligence is? >> well, we don't know what exactly happened to the binder that went missing. there is one theory that emerged from the testimony of cassidy hutchison, that is the former aide of chief of staff, mark meadows. she told the january six
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committee that she was, quote, almost positive it went home with mr. meadows. she said it had been kept in a safe, in meadows office, when it was not being worked on. hutchinson also wrote about this classified intelligence in her new book, claiming that on january 19th that final night of the trump presidency, she saw meadows leave the white house with and unredacted binder tucked under his arm. mark meadows attorney strongly denies this. he said in a statement to us that mr. meadows was keenly aware and adhered to requirements to the proper handling of classified material. any such material he handled or was in possession of has been treated accordingly. and he suggested that he is responsible for any missing binder or other classified information is flat wrong. so look, at this point, this is a mystery about this binder. it still remains a mystery. >> reporter: it certainly does. wow. what a fascinating reporting.
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i know you and your team took a long time to pull this all together. the mystery continues, doesn't it? thank you so much, nevin. i'm going to go to bradley now. bradley moss, right up until the end there is a mad dash to get details from this binder released. bradley, why would donald trump want this out there so badly? even as he is landing in mar-a-lago, and joe biden is getting inaugurated? >> well, even teed it up there, we've heard all this reporting coming out about the final days, the final hours of trump administration. they were planning to filter out these detailed aspects that were being declassified from crossfire hurricane, russian investigation, from various friendly reporters, media outlets that within push all the stories in the weeks and months after biden took over in which we try to reframe the narrative about what had happened in 2016. try to prove trump's point that the whole investigation was a joke, that it was a hoax, there
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was no legitimacy to it. this was part of his ongoing media campaign. because they kept waiting until the last minute, because it was literally the last full day that he was putting out this declassification order than directing the attorney general to implement, there was no time for this to be put into effect. political appointees were gone, civil servants were preparing for the turnover the very next day with biden because when president. it never happened. so those documents, that information remained properly classified. >> bradley, as evan pointed, out the binder did not come up when federal authorities searched trump's mar-a-lago estate. there's no reference to it in the classified documents indictment. but, trump's lawyers are now asking for some of this classified intelligence. apparently it will help them defend him against the election subversion charges. help us make sense of that. >> that has been part of his political slash legal argument
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in that d.c. case, which now of course is on hold pending the immunity appeal, which is that he is going to improve his intent was corrupt. dating back in 2016, there was evidence of all of this foreign exploitation of our elections. he was more within his right, his authority, and proper mindset to push what he did in 2020. that is part of the reason they have been no doubt going after this information to try to push this argument at trial if it gets there. part of the more interesting thing is, you know, and even mentioned this as well, we have the testimony from cassidy hutchinson saying mark meadows walked off with. it mark meadows lawyer says non denial denial. they're saying we didn't have it but we didn't mishandle it. it's possible it's there. who knows where it. is the fact that this stuff was sitting around the white house, the sensitive raw intel, was just sitting around, it's ridiculous. it should've never happened like that. >> notably, despite trump's declassification order, several
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efforts to redact, it and now multiple lawsuits, with the justice department, it's still not released all the documents. what is at risk if they do in your view? >> in terms of the criminal charges? >> reporter: yeah. if everything is out there, the declassification order that trump, you know, says he did. >>, or so the reason that this is not been put out there, and even if it gets to close to trump in a criminal trial, it will be done in the classified manner. there will be limits on the published versions of it because it implicates some of our most sensitive intelligence methods. whether it is singles intelligence, communication intelligence, human intelligence, spies, what you think of the movies, it's not even the sensitivity of the data or the information, it is the sensitivity of how we collected it. you don't want a foreign adversary like russia or really anybody to know what we're able to do. you are happy to let them speculate. you don't tell your opponents
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how you are collecting information unless you think they should need to know. this is not one of those situations. >> a fascinating story. the mystery of the missing binder. bradley moss, thank so much for the expertise. we appreciate it. >> no problem. >> reporter: up next, more on our breaking news out of israel. the idf saying it mistakenly shot and killed three israeli hostages in northern gaza. we're going to speak to a former operations chief of the fbi's hostage rescue team when we come back. stay with cnn.
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virginia's on israel's war on hamas.
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the idf said it mistakenly killed three israeli hostages in gaza. and idf spokesperson saying that the victims were misidentified as threatened then shot and killed. >> joining us now, rob d'amico, former deputy operations chief -- rescue team. ththank you for joining us. the idf spokesperson who we just spoke to said that these three hostages were out in the open, they were wearing civilian clothes, he said we have seen other hamas fighters wear civilian clothes. it's challenging. obviously they regret what happened here. they say they learned lessons. what do you make of what the idf spokesperson said about this? >> first thing, it is hamas's responsibility that this happened at. it's like a crime over here, if you could have some, one and a team rescues them, and they accidentally killed the person, you're gonna be charged that person's murder. it's the same way here. with all teams in that, if the hostage rescue team did a
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hostage rescue and we killed one of the hostages, you have to do it a very critical -- report. all the rules of engagement were followed. how did they perceive a threat by these three people? where they? aren't they have something that hing that looks like they were armed? maybe the soldiers gave them -- we had a special -- killed on it. some of them have been disciplined. it was not anyone's fault, but they look at the policies and procedures and they find out that the soldiers are -- disregarded someone or did something with it not in the rules of engagement to cause it. it doesn't mean it's not not a terrorist ultimate responsibility but that hostage was there in that situation. >> so our reporting from jeremy diamond indicates that israel adjusted the rules of engagement after october 7th, to loosen them, as they were approaching hamas targets in
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gaza. we just heard from idf spokesperson, lieutenant jonathan conricus, who effectively denied that. i'm wondering, do you anticipate that this might change the approach, whether it is described as rules of engagement or just as something else? do you think this changes the approach for israel? >> i think it may. i think especially with our visit over there at the time, telling them to strengthen up some things. i think it's one of those things, they have to uncover what happened, how it transpired to see that, was it something that maybe got through? and there's rumors out there too. it could have been that the idf did not pass anything on it, but some rumors came down that oh, yeah, we have lessened the rules of engagement. commanders and leaders come in, it could have been something that was triggered from that or
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it could have been truly where they thought they were being engaged by something running at them, they didn't have night vision on, were they allowed to see into the area that they are looking? oath and clementa play. it's a complex situation. again, it goes back to people taking hostages when they shouldn't be, israel has to get critical and say hey, what really caused this? was it the fault of a soldier or passing information on rules of engagement that were not understood? that is why the fbi never changes the rules of engagement. there were some talks a few years ago with ruby rage, it never came down but people got in trouble over that. that is why it understand what e allowed to engage with in a situation like this. >> and i think you make an important point of emphasizing, ultimately, it is hamas's fault. as we just heard from the idf spokesperson, they're going
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back, they're scrutinizing this, making sure that it can be prevented in the future. the idf says, quote, immediate lessons from the event have been learned, which have all been passed on to the idf troops in the field. what do you think the troops are being told right now? >> they're being told that any good unit in law enforcement has to be self critical. even when we did offs that went well, the good operators would admit, i didn't do well, when i took that turn i was exposing, you you get down to, it those are the ones that go. well the ones that don't go, well they have to look at it and think, we're going to talk about positive identification of what a threat is. though it could have been a, he was reaching into his coat, i thought it was a hand grenade, you look at it that way. then it's hard to decipher, but i think they're gonna sit down and talk to the soldiers and say what, why did you engage
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him? what do you see as threat? was it that they were running at you? when you do delivered hostage rescue you also know there is hostages there. was this even briefed that there was a possibility of hostages in this area? that can put the spin on it to. if you to deliver the hostage rescuers -- that you're looking for, when you start engaging people, you are a little more critical in what you're looking for. so was not even briefed as a possibility that hostages were in the area that they were operating? >> robert d'amico, important perspective. thank you so much. >> it just a few moments we will speak to akeem ember of congress on this breaking news out of israel. cnn news central returns in just a few minutes.
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welcome back to cnn new central. of get back to capitol hill and mike quickly of illinois who joins me now. congressman, thank you for joining us. i know you've been tracking the breaking news into cnn. the idf acknowledging three israeli hostages were killed by idf soldiers mistakenly identified as members ofs of ha. congressman, i'm wondering what your reaction to that news is? >> i'm reminded this week, i met with one of the former hostages who traveled to washington d.c.. i heard her account of the horrors of her captivity. obviously, with any conflict, there is the tragedy of friendly fire deaths. we've already heard about the fog of war causing these in this conflict. obviously today is a great tragedy as well. understanding, of course, that corrections have to be made,
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greater scrutiny and more protections put in place to prevent against such things. ultimately, hamas is responsible for having hostages in the first place. >> congressman, to that point of steps that have to be taken, the national security adviser, jake sullivan, is in the region having discussions with israeli officials among others. one of the messages we understand he has taken coming from the biden white house is that israel needs to be much more selective when it comes to civilian life in gaza. president biden described some of the targeting of hamas entities in gaza as indiscriminate bombing by israel. what would be your message to the idf, to leaders in israel, over the way that they are handling this war? >> first i want to begin by saying, i was in gaza sometime ago after a similar conflict,
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smaller in nature, but i could see firsthand just how difficult that task is. having said that, i agree with mr. sullivan that that needs to take place. first, it is the right thing to do. it's the humanitarian aid that has to get in. there has to be humanitarian corridors. they have to be much more protect double of civilians in the area. it is the right thing to do but it is also the smart thing to do. i fully appreciate their absolute right to try to dismantle and destroy hamas. they never will completely. but while you are attempting to dismantle hamas, you don't want to recruit future hamas shoulders. it is not just of military force, it is a movement. so the manner in which they do this will impact a great deal the challenges they face in the coming years. >> congressman, i want to pivot now to ukraine, we originally invited you want to talk about the stalled status of
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negotiations over sending aid to eastern europe. cnn has also learned that there is serious concerns among not just u.s. officials but officials in europe as well. without significant aid, ukraine could quickly fall to russian forces. given that your republican colleagues have been calling for a more well-defined and game in ukraine, they want the white house to define victory. how would you define victory for ukraine? is it presidents lynskey's call that ukraine must retake crimea? >> someone invaded the united states and took several of our states, we would not have agreed with other countries saying, well, you should be satisfied with only losing some of your region. they have an absolute right to their territorial integrity. i think that is part of victory. i think guaranteed security provisions in the future, a rebuild ukraine is part of that victory.
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holding those accountable for the horrors of war that i witnessed firsthand, i've been in ukraine twice since the conflict and i saw evidence of putin's atrocities, including the mass graves at bucha. i think that is the ultimate victory. for someone to suggest that some other countries sacrifice -- because we aren't willing to back up the fight for the reasons we fall the second world war. why we fought and formed the united nations and the eu and nato, ukraine is doing our dirty work. finally, if any of them imagined that putin would be satisfied with ukraine, they would not form a federation with public governments and belarus, ukraine, move on moldova, georgia, a land bridge to leningrad and beyond. secretary austin, general milley said it best. if we don't halt putin's aggression now there will be more money to be spent with double our defense budgets and
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there will be more bloodshed in the future. >> and yet, congressman, the washington post reported a few weeks ago that the white house has told ukrainian leaders that they should signal to the kremlin that they are open to peace talks given that the counteroffensive is stalled, given that aid to ukraine has met a logjam in congress. do you think it's time for ukraine to visit its ambitions? >> absolutely not. i would not expect our country today that. i also understand how our national security is involved in that. and the horrible message we would be sending to other adversaries, taiwan, for one example, we are telling autocrats across the world that it's fair game. that we will defend democracy on a limited basis in a limited time. if your patient, you can do whatever you want.
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>> so is it a mistake for the white house to tell ukrainians leaders to signal to the kremlin that they're open towards peace talks with vladimir putin right now? >> i have not been told by the white house that they did that. but if they did, it would be a mistake, and i would strongly disagree. i would support ukraine to the ultimate victory, just because it is in our interest, clearly in the interest of eastern europe in our allies there. >> congressman mike quigley, we have to leave the conversation there. we appreciate your time, happy holidays. >> thank you, you as well. >> of course. >> when we come back, heavy rain and wind expected to slam east coast.a and travel more on the timing of this major storm that may impact your holiday shopping. when we come back.
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significant storm is expected to start strengthening as it moves from the gulf of mexico into florida and up the east coast this weekend. it is bringing the chance of heavy rain and wind gusts and could possibly spawn a few tornadoes. meteorologist, chad myers, is here with more. what people need to know about what is coming? how do we prepare for this, chad? >> ham, two months ago this would have a tropical storm name. a month from now, again, in advance we would have a major snow nor'easter. but we're right in the middle here, florida, you are going to be raining tomorrow. the coastal carolinas on sunday, and then a big wind event for the next northeast -- out of boston, new york, laguardia, philadelphia, going to be delayed on monday. here we, go for tomorrow afternoon, the rain gets into the low country.
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then, up across kate -- where the winds are going to be blowing 60 miles per hour. a lot of events across parts of florida are actually getting canceled because of this, even maritime events, because of the wind and the rain and, you know, you don't have boats on a parade when you're talking about winds of 40 miles an hour. 2 to 4 inches of rainfall, all the way up the east coast. but not significant snow. highest elevation in the appalachians. this is a rain event, not a snow event. but it is the wind that will be a big problem for charlotte, raleigh, all the way up through the delmarva and into new england. there will be hundreds of thousands of people, pam, without power by monday morning. >> that is rough going. chad myers, thank you so much. we are following breaking news out of israel where the idf now says it accidentally shot and killed three hostages in gaza. we're going to israel for a live report after a quick break. ststay with cncnn news cenentra.
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