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>> i am mj lee at the white house and this is cnn. ♪ ♪ >> we continue to follow the breaking news out of israel and its war on hamas. the israel defense forces says that it accidentally shot and killed three israeli hostages in northern gaza who were mistakingly identified as a threat. two of the vn -- victims identified. this is what idf spokesman lieutenant colonel jonathan told me just this last hour. >> we are looking into how it happened, how it came about
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that these hostages were out, trying to understand how that happened, whether it was intentional by hamas, or it wasn't intentional. and what we have told our troops is to exercise this -- when being confronted with people. part of the complexity, we are fighting in a civilian environment where almost all of the rpg crews that have been attacking our troops have been dressed in civilian clothes. it creates a very dynamic and challenging environment. what we have told our troops is to be extra vigilant and do one more safety check before dealing with any threat that they face on the battlefield. it is a very challenging environment.
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>> we are just hearing from the prime minister, prime minister netanyahu about this. what is he saying, jeremy? >> yeah, that is right, pam. expressing his -- to the families of those mistakingly killed by the israeli military in the neighbor head where there has been intense fighting. saying, quote, this is an unbearable tragedy. my heart goes out to the families aching during their time of immense grief. i would like to censure into our brave soldiers focusing on the sacred mission of returning our hostages, even with the price of sacrificing their own lives. we have learned of the names of two out of the three houses killed in this incident. they are 28-year-old yotam haim who was kidnapped on october 7th and 25-year-old samer
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talalka , who was kidnapped from kibbutz also on october 7th. the military has says it is investigating this incident and that it is take the lessons learned from it and conveying those from what colonel -- just told you, pam. they are telling troops to be more careful in the coming days and weeks given this incident that just happened. this sheds light on how the israeli military has been a rating and the ways in which israeli troops have had their rules of engagement loosened, allowing them to conduct fewer checks before firing upon suspected threats. northern gaza in particular, i think back to conversations i had in the lead up to this. they say, look, we told all the civilians to go south, so at least one colonel told me he
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would continue to anyone who was moving in northern gaza as a potential threat. nice the ways in that may be playing out on the ground. the families of hostages of course have been dreading a potential scenario like this. last week, one of the release hostages confronted the prime minister, directly accusing him of not having sufficient intelligence, noting that the location where she was held was actually by the israeli military when he was in captivity. >> he is expressing the biden administration's concern about the intensity of the idf offensive in president biden's desire for israel to tone it down. how might these developments plan to those specific talks, and plans about rescuing those hostages a top priority? and a latest reporting really at a standstill with hamas at the moment.
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>> that is right. trying to restart those hostage negotiations has been one of the missions that jake sullivan has embarked on as he is now in the region. what this also sheds light on is the u.s. concerns about how israel is conduct thing israel up rations in gaza. as jake sullivan said earlier today, effectively israel's intention may be to distinguish hamas militants and civilians in gaza, but the reality on the ground reflects something entirely different. we have seen that play out for weeks now. israel's ground offensive has resulted in heavy civilian casualties, thousands of palestinian civilians who have been killed in gaza. today, it appears that the way in which israel is prosecuting the military campaign has resulted in the israeli civilian casualties with the three hostages being killed mistakenly by israeli forces operating in an intense combat environment.
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estimate all right, jeremy diamond. thank you so much. it's making me want to dig deeper with -- thank you for sharing part of the afternoon with us. the idf is still gathering information about this incident. i am wondering what the process looks like during an act of war. in an area where there is open conflict. and how soon the hostages' families might have answers. >> you got to get the unit that was engaged off-line and you got to talk to the troops come the commander, you have to find out exactly what happened, and exactly what instructions they were up rating under. it might take a few days. just looking at it from the outside based on what we know right now, you can imagine, this is a group of men moving, some of them are armed. the israeli were under orders to engage, or take them out.
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they didn't discriminate. they couldn't see. maybe they weren't close enough. maybe the hostages were held in the center of a group, who knows. you can't speculate on it without any precision, at this point. soldiers in contact are prone to shoot, because their lives are at risk. if the guidance is look one more time before you shoot, i'm sure they will try to do it. when you get right down to it and soldiers are in the heat of combat and the bullets are flying back and forth, the tendency is, pick a target and take it out. unfortunately, that may be what happened here. we won't know. this is all speculation, of course. >> this is notably coming on the same week that we learned a total of 13 israeli soldiers have been killed by friendly fire in this war.
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that is roughly 1 out of every 8 idf deaths in gaza. paired with this news of the hostages, does that indicate anything to you about how israel might need to change the way it is conducting this war, or the rules of engagement? >> you know, in terms of rules and engagement, that is what you are looking for. you say shoot on sight, or shoot and positively identify, or shoot only if engaged first? and in self-defense? you had to look at the rules of engagement first. then the way they are maneuvering, the information flow. you should know where the adjacent unit is, whether it is a squad, platoon, company or whatever. you are supposed to know that before you go out on the operation. and you're supposed to stay in contact with them and avoid that . it does happen in our battles
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in the gulf war. this is a 1991 battle. we worked really hard. obviously, the israeli need to do that. the ukrainians are very careful if you look at the battle shop, they've not usually green, type on their sleeves so that distinguishes their uniforms from the russians. it is a something, the rules of engagement -- the communication of and down the chain of command . the more you exercise the ground engagement in personal contact. the more likely it is something like this will happen.
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when the israeli were doing more bombing, killing more civilians, they are not putting themselves in harms way. there is a trade-off. freddie mercury will have a trade-off. as the president said, they are losing so. >> it is overall a tragedy very thank you so much for the perspective. we do want to let you know this is just into cnn, we've learned the name of the third hostage that was killed in this incident where the idf killed the hostages, the name of that third hostage -- i will of course stay on top of this and give you the very latest. >> cnn has new reporting. the fate may depend further on further aid from the u.s.. aid, which is been held up for weeks.
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the effect on ukraine could be debilitating. president biden already describing this as a christmas gift. tell us more about this warning and why this is so important. >> he is the timeline here. unless some political sleight of hand occurs, it would not be passing any ministration that gets a new bulk aid to ukraine in january. to add to that extraordinary difficulty, the union just last night was unable to pass the aid for ukraine, as well. that is two blows financially for ukraine. some officials have been doing an assessment as to exact the
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how long ukraine may be able to hold out if no further aid was sent. ukrainian officials themselves warned that doctors, first responders, they might come unstuck in january if a doesn't keep flowing. so much of ukraine's war effort , wasn't officials saying that there is no guarantee of success, but there is certain failure, pointing out the fact that this keeps the cranium military moving, they have had an extraordinary in-flight training to wage the war against the central finance machine. that is even though they perform so badly. and look, this is been a disastrous week, i hate to say it. washington, hoping to change opinions that do not occur. president biden today, paraphrasing that the world is
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watching, it is important for them to see how they stick ukraine. they couldn't get congress so far it seems to change their mind. we are looking at the billion slowly evaporating into next year. it is possible. the anger, the anxiety amongst the ukrainian front-line troops. this is exactly have a supposedly supposed to get through this tough winter along the front lines without any united states aid. it is hard to tell precisely when it will run out. we are already seeing them angry at the lack of ammunition that they have. i saw one known for a number of months last night saying, look, we are finished. saying that we will fight on regardless. frankly, as president biden suggested, this is a matter he
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was waiting for. the western unity was something of an outlier when it first emerged at the beginning of this . it has clearly eroded, and we are dealing with the split congress on this, no immediate signs of demise there. one member led by victor auburn, clearly a pollutant sympathizer. saying, look, we will again in january, and that indeed will get through. the signal here is damaging to its morale. saying that the west no longer has their back. >>, thank you so much. coming up, information is missing. it will bring you cnn's exclusive information about the binder of russian intelligence that disappeared at the end of the trump administration. ♪ ♪
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now to a cnn exclusive on highly classified intelligence that went missing in the final hours of the trump administration and it is still miss nearly three years later. cnn has learned that the intelligence relates to russian election interference, information that was the end so sensitive it can only be accessed at the cia. and the people working with it to keep their notes locked in a safe at cia headquarters. in the final weeks of the administration, a binder of this intel was brought to the white house. at the for the president as part of an f 2-d class by documents. in the final chaotic hours of his presidency, it went missing. cnn's katie bolus -- what can you tell us? >> pamela, this binder that was brought to the white house
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contained raw intelligence that the u.s. and nato allies had collect it on russia's efforts to meddle in the election including some of the sensitive information in the world. what we are talking about is the underlining intelligence that form the basis of the assessment that vladimir putin sought to help trump win the 2016 election. the disappearance of this binder was so alarming that they briefed leadership about the -- last year. we are also told this was not among the classified items that were found in last year search of mar-a-lago estate. more than two years later, it appears this binder is still missing. >> yeah. the question is, how does this intelligence, this highly classified intelligence end up at the white house? >> yeah. trump had spent years trying to declassify material that he
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said would prove his claims that the russia investigation was a hoax. this was part of a massive group of documents that trump had ordered brought to the white house and there was a frantic scramble in the final days to redact the documents so that they could be declassified and released publicly. we do know on his last full day as president, he did issue a declassification order for some of the materials and the fbi has published some of this on the website. >> where could it be? are there any news about what actually happened to this missing intelligence? where could be right now? >> so this is the million- dollar rushton, pamela. we don't know what happened to the binder that when ms. them. there is one that has emerged from testimony hutchison, the former top aide to chief of staff mark meadows. she totally january 6th committee that she was, quote, almost positive it went home with mr. meadows.
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it had been kept in a safe when it wasn't being worked on, and she also wrote about this in her new book, claiming that the final night of the term presidency, that she saw meadows leave the white house with an unredacted binder, quote, tucked under his arm. we should say here that mark meadows' attorney strongly denies this. he says, quote, he was clearly aware of this, and any such material that he handled or was in his possession has been treated accordingly, and any other classified information is flat wrong. at this point, pamela, the mystery of this missing binder remains just that, a big mystery. >> is sure does. katie bo, thank you so much. he is the former chief of staff to homeland security and the trump administration. what is your reaction to this?
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how concerning is the fact that this binder with all of this raw, classified intelligence is just missing nearly three years later? >> it is deeply alarming. in fact, this is one of the first things i insisted on being briefed on when i came in to the administration. there was a lot of work that needed to be done to protect the country against ongoing russian interference. here is something that we knew from the get-go. first, we knew this was information that infuriated donald trump. he associated the intelligence with russia's enough with people thinking his win was illegitimate. second, people became really worried about sharing this information with the president for 2 reasons. one, because of his consistent and obvious mishandling of sensitive information, pamela. also the worry that he might potentially pass information to the russians.
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he had meetings with putin where sensitive information was discussed. there was a lot of worry here. the third thing, we know that the ex-president left the administration with information he wasn't supposed to, and now this binder that he was so keenly fascinated by has disappeared. i don't think we know for sure that he has it, but i will say this, where there is smoke, there's fire. i hope they are doing the appropriate investigation to see if it is in his property. as you know, mark meadows lawyer is the nine he has it. it has not turned up at the search of mar-a-lago, according to law enforcement officials begin to cnn. raw intelligence that the allies connected on russians and russian agents. what kind of damage could documents like these do to u.s.
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national.? >> there is a reason why we take sources and methods and put them in what is called compartments where they have a very limited number of people allowed to know how intelligence was collected in the first place. that is what we call the ground use of the intelligence committee. the way this information was handled strongly suggests exactly that. i would was obtained, that is the type of information that can get people killed if it is released publicly. the names use, electronic means of surveillance that might have been exploited, other sets of capabilities that the intelligence committee. again, people risking their lives to pain. that is a federal crime for a
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reason. and not only can put those sources at risk, it can put ongoing operations ran by the american intelligence committee at grave risk and put american lives in danger. this is a very serious concern, pamela. >> all right, thank you so much. still ahead, we don't hear very much and certainly not at a video like this. what -- trumpet just s said at speeeech. that is next.
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this just in to cnn, the mother of a six-year-old child who brought a gun to school and shot his teacher has been sentence. what is the latest? >> other surprising ruling. this judge has just handed a sentence of two years in prison to -- taylor, the mother of the six-year-old boy who shot his teacher in newport news. they had recommended only six month sentence on this charge. it is a state charge of child neglect. according to dasha taylor's attorney , the judge believed that the state charge of child neglect was more serious than the federal charges that she pleaded guilty to. they were unlawful possession, unlawful use of a controlled set ends while possessing a firearm and making the false statement while purchase a
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firearm. they believe that the state charge was more serious. two years she gets for that. that will be tacked on to the 21 months she got for the federal charges there. she could spend close to four years, maybe a little less for good behavior. she was very emotional, cried in the courtroom. this is a quote from her attorney, quote, i think it was excessive at heart, the sentence. they said they would not appeal it. that was interesting, as well. she may be transferred in a short time. >> thank you so much for the update. pamela? >> today, former first lady melania trump met a rare appearance . she has largely avoided the public eye since she and her husband left the white house back in 2021. today, we got a rare glimpse into the more private side as she shared her personal story of life as an immigrant in
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america. let's bring in kristin holmes. it is so interesting too that this is a collaboration with the national archives. what was melania's message today? >> this was an uncharacteristically personal message. we never really hear from her. she did in campaign with the president. even when she -- when he is on the road. she told her story. she said she was tremendously proud to be a citizen. i want you to listen to one part in specific when she talks about how hard this journey was. >> the experience of the challenges, the immigration process, it opened my eyes to the harsh realities people face, including you who are trying to become u.s. citizens. >> while this is a very touching message, it doesn't talk at all about the fact that
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her husband is currently running for office area he has pledged that if he is re- elected, he will make it harder to become a u.s. citizen, asked banding on the piles that would be more restrictive. >> yeah, there is a lot. you have that, the fact that this comes nearly two years after the national archives asked the justice department to look in her has been handling of white house records. do we know what his reaction was to her speaking today? did he give his blessing? >> i am told that he gave his blessing, he was supportive of it. i will say one thing, this is not the same archivist that was there when they asked the department of justice to look into his handling of the classified documents. what we have heard in -- at the same time melania trump was in the white house . they got to know each other and work on a couple of events. she actually reached out and invited her because she became a citizen back in 2000.
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she thought she would be a good fit. again, it does not escape irony. part of the reason that propelled this was that archives asked them to look at this now that he is facing the trial. >> all right, thank you so much. coming up, an fda official is saying that the lead contaminating -- sorry. lead i should say contaminating themem applesaucuce patches s m inintentional.l. stayay with h us. ♪ ♪
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just in to cnn, we now know the names of all three israeli hostages mistakenly killed by idf positives. we just learned -- idf hostages. he was kidnapped on october 7th. the other victims, yotam haim, described as a gifted musician and metal pham -- fan. and samer talalka . he loved to spend time with friends. john kirby says president biden has been breached. he called the news tragic and heartbreaking. we will stay on top of this story to find out exactly what happened. confirming that they mistakenly killed them. >> detected in cinnamon
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applesauce packages may have been an intentional act. that is according to an official who was interviewed in a new report. seen in health reporter joins is now with more. how does this change the investigation to the slave contamination? >> well, pam, if the fda can confirm that this was in fact intentional, that would certainly escalate things. what we now know based on this interview, the fda deputy commissioner, his name is jim jones, he says this, quote, we are still in the midst of our investigation. so far, all of the signals were leading to an intentional act on the part of someone in the supply chain and we are trying to figure that out,end quote. why would someone intentionally contaminate the cinnamon applesauce patches? what we do know, it may come down to how the cinnamon itself
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in the applesauce, when you look at how spices are sold, they are typically sold by weight. when you add metal, that can make it heavier. this is still an ongoing investigation. so far as of this week, the fda says it has released at least 65 going to the cinnamon applesauce patches. all of the events have been in children under the age of six. some of these products have been voluntarily recalled. we are talking about applesauce packages under the brands -- like i said, an ongoing investigation. there are many questions led to answer. right now, we know the fda is conducting an inspection at the facility. again, we are still waiting for more updates on this investigation, pam. >> in these cases were children who were exposed, what have their symptoms been? >> sometimes, children don't show symptoms.
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what we do know, what is toxic for anyone at any age, but kids are more so set the bowl carry -- susceptible. more serious health problems like developmental delays. the big take away if you think your child has been exposed to a contaminated product, make sure your child is getting a regular led screenings. this is specifically for young kids ages 1 and 2. call your doctor if you do think your child was potentially exposed, pam. >> yeah, that is really important information. thank you so much, jack and howard. in the u.s., black women are more than three times likely to die with pregnancy complications rather than white women. why black women are choosing birth centers over hospitals.
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black women in the u.s. are 2-3 times more likely to die from pregnancy complications according to the cdc. faced with these statistics, many are opting out of hospitals. >> on the episode of the whole story with anderson cooper, new mom goes on a personal journey to understand why so many black women like yourself are scheduled to hospitals and what alternatives they are turning to instead. here's a preview. >> elaine tells her home with her husband and with kimberly at her side. >> it was the most incredible feeling. >> it was beautiful.
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>> also sometimes, complications happen. that is part of her training. >> she had more bleeding we would like to see after her birth. we call that a postpartum hemorrhage. the cool thing, she was not quite aware of what was happening. we were able to stop the bleeding and give her lots of i.v. fluids. >> i had exactly the same experience. i delivered my daughter and i had a postpartum hemorrhage. i lost a lot of blood. they managed it. it was like it never happened. >> you didn't walk away with birth trauma because you had a hemorrhage. they cared forward. >> i was totally fine. i was fine, my baby was fine, i felt great. >> and cnn abbey joins us us now. every expecting mom has to make that decision, where to give
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birth to your baby. how did you calculate the risk at home veracity -- versus the hospital. >> for me, i saw a doctor for most of my pregnancy. 32 week or so, and i made sure i was in a solidly low risk category, and given that, i said to myself, i want an unmedicated birth. i want to be in the environment of having the best chance of having that. it was clear to me, in my view the best place to do that was not in a hospital. i was worried, frankly of facing a lot of pressure to have interventions that i didn't want or didn't need. that was my risk calculation. but i don't want to frame it in a totally negative framing. i think it's about wanting in a positive way of the experience. a lot of the black women we
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talked to many this piece, and i know personally, there's a lot of fear here. and they're trying to protect themselves. they're also wanting to change the way they approach pregnancy and labor and make it something that's more supportive, positive, more empowering than what we're used to. >> a vastly different atmosphere being in hospital than somewhere, like you said, cur rated to your every need and warmth. in a moment that's so pivotal for many women. >> it's becoming surprisingly popular. since 2019, we have seen double digit -- a lot of women are scared. some of it is also the effect of covid. when being in a hospital is not as safe as people are used to. there was risk associated with
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it, and less support for a lot of women. and limits placed on how much support you could have. only one person could come in with you. we have sign a dramatic increase of black women, in particular, utilizing the out of hospital options. and the up out growth of a lot of organizations who have come into existence to support more black women in their communities with more hol itselfic care. >> you visited a hospital. what did you learn? >> it's fascinating. we spent 24 hours in a hospital in los angeles. in the previous, it was considered a dangerous place to be if you were sick or pregnant. they have totally transformed themselves. they're a new hospital now. a labor unit that's staffed and led by mid wives. they see them first, if they're low risk, they'll never see a
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doctor. it takes the practices from the midwife model, minimizing the intervention, giving the patients time and space to let the bodies do the labor. they have found incredibly positive outcomes. this one mom, had six babies. she came in the hospital crying. she was so afraid. and when we talked to her, he was so relieved and happy by the care she was getting. it really shows there's options here for women to have better care that is more responsive to them. in all kinds of different settings and the key is, a lot of the complications are preventable. they don't get caught because they're not listened to. a sad story in this piece, april died in labor. she complained of pain, and
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those complaints were ignored and eventually turned out the to be blood clots, embolisms that ultimately killed her. >> such an important reporting, a powerful story here, and we're looking forward to watching it sunday. the whole story, one whole hour, one whole story on, 9 p.m. eastern and pacific on cnn. we'll be right back.
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file this under something you don't see every day. meet ricardo a castrated steer.
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he began the morning causing the snag in commuter's travel plans in new jersey. this is at the penn station. he was on the tracks, his presence prompted significant train delays. >> the police detained him without incident. the animal control officials believe he came from a meat market three miles away. he fled from being turned into a steak. he ended the day at his new home, they'll live out the rest of his days. an escape that turns out well for everyone. >> he didn't get turned into hamburger. that's good for him, three miles. wow. believe starts right now. tragic news for the families of three

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