for various reasons connected to it so when you talk about this and you shed light on such an important issue it hits so close to home for so many people and it's 2023. we are not a developing country. we are united states of america. this is a number of statistics that impact people across income levels, elections try to categorize and who is more prone it is a tie that binds so i'm so proud of you for doing this story. i know this is deeply personal. it's not always easy to go there the way you have and i cannot wait to see it in its full because it's an important conversation. good for you. >> thanks for sharing that abby. it's part of your experience and

your life and people need to understand it could happen to me it could happen to you it could happen to any of us and have a great show and weekend. >> i look forward to sunday 8 p.m. the whole story, 9:00. i'm on the west coast. what's happening? i'm abby phillips. nice to see you. >> well you know it turns out there is a price for election lies. and that price is more than $148 million tonight on laura coates live. wow. rudy giuliani, former new york mayor now on the hook for more than $148 million for defaming

georgia election workers ruby freeman and andrea shea moss with lies about what they did or did not do after the 2020 election. this number is so astronomical, even the judge seemed shocked when they heard and the scene in that courtroom was dramatic. the mother and daughter election workers hugging each other so tightly hugging members of their legal team. just about the only person frankly who seemed unmoved was rudy giuliani himself. the man who falsely claimed that freeman and moss names you should not know but do were passing around u.s. v drives as if they were vials of heroin or cocaine when it was nothing other than a ginger mienlt.

voouj refusing to back down even tonight. >> i have no doubt my comments were made and they were supportable and are supportable today. >> no doubt? hmm. let's not forget what freeman and moss have gone through and are still going through. they were those voicemails played in court full of obscene and racist threats and i warn you what you're about to hear is disturbing. >> you're going to jail ruby. you're going to gonna get locked up ruby. it's election fraud, ruby. what was on the usb drive ruby? you're all going to [bleep] jail you piece of [bleep]. >> i hope you like jail because that's where you're going on your way to hell. >> these are the most tame of

the ones that were actually played in the courtroom and again, they didn't do anything wrong. they did exactly what we asked people to do when you have a democracy. they have to work to make our elections free and fair by actually working the elections and for that, for raising their hand they were attacked. they were threatened and they were left in fear for their actual lives. >> the lies rudy giuliani told about me and my mommie after the 2020 election have changed our lives. and the past few years have been devastating. i can never move back into the house that i called home. i will always have to be careful about where i go and who i choose to share my name with. >> can you imagine that? i mean really. we shouldn't even know what

their names are. they should be people who simply were working the election. the names ruby freeman and shea moss are not names you should know because they should be representative of every mormon serve in elections to make sure democracy is working and yet these are people you now know who are afraid to tell people their own name. just a moment i'll talk with ruby freeman and shea moss's attorneys but the point of all this is it's not really the money when it gets to those numbers. it's the message, the message that finally someone is being helped accountable literally accounting-wise for the lies for the people month who were trolled bd and thenned and finally there are consequences. but who is next? remember when it came to dominion that it was a corporation. there were people who were threatened and received the brunt of the anger and the lies

but when it comes to these election workers are we a totally different space? i want to bring in rudy giuliani's spokesperson and adviser ted goodman. he was beside giuliani as he walked out court today. i'm curious because you have by his side throughout much of this. you were actually with him as they announced that figure that number and amount of damages. tell me what was the reaction in private? >> thank you for the opportunity laura. that's right i was by his side and every day of the week of course. the mayor remains confident of the beliefs what he knows to be true and who he is as a man the same man who took down the mafia. this is the same man who cleaned up the streets of new york city and lifted hundreds of thousands

if not millions of new yorkers out of poverty. this is the same man who comforted not just the nation but the entire world, following the horrific attacks of september 11th. >> you know for the reasons you just stated that's why it was perhaps so shocking to people that he would be a defendant in a case this magnitude. it's not as if he's the average non-lit gallant somebody who is so familiar with what it two take to prove a case beyond a reasonable doubt and of course answer defamatory statements made so when you talk it, i wonder what his reactions are to the defamatory statements made. >> you know as a highly credentialed lawyer yourself the mayor did not have the opportunity to defend himself at any point in this case. of course as you know, a default

judgement was issued in this case over a discovery dispute and you also know that this is highly unusual. so you know this wasn't a trial. there was no trial this week on the facts. the fact remains that the mayor had zero opportunity to defend himself and what he knows to be true. >> well, ken, as you know, he did have an opportunity to do so. the default judgement there is a protocol for there to be a default judgement because they've contemplated what laps when you fail to adhere to the court order to provide information and discovery so why didn't he provide the information in time to avoid having that done? >> you just said they. can you go back to they? who is they in that comment? the judge? >> rudy giuliani. you want me to answer the question? i'll give you the opportunity. you asked who the they is. i was talking about the judge the court of law the judge

issued an order discovery wise legislator the person who is being held in responsible, in your case the person to write in response to discovery and failed to do so so the default judgement so when the rudy giuliani the him in this fashion was held accountable at that point why doesn't he just no the timeline to be able to as you say have a chance to defend himself for adequately? >> that's right, laura. there default was entered after an overly broad discovery dispute that was designed to overwhelm the mayor and his capacity to hand over such material. in farmers markets a lot of material was handed over and again, so because of this dispute, again this is a discovery dispute between the attorneys, this default judgment

was issued and at no point this week did the mayor have the opportunity to defend him self on the facts so i just find that absolutely unfair and so of course, this matter will be appealed. >> well, certainly you have every right to do so naturally, the due process requirements seem to have been met by the judge and i understand your position supporting him but i want to know there has been a judgment entered based on this finding and the jurors making their determination how is rudy giuliani ready to pay this figure? >> again, we have to make something clear for your audience and i'll well aware your audience may be the most pro-rudy giuliani audience. >> why do you think that? >> well, i don't want to assume that. i wanted to answer the question. >> thank you. >> we have to clarify here the

fact remains what happened today was not a decision based on the facts. correct? the idea here that the mayor lied is again, something that decided by the judge by a default decision over a discovery dispute. >> we've addressed that point to which i have said there has been a finding. >> as a practicing attorney how many times did a judgment i'm sorry. how many times did a judge come to this kind of conclusion over a discovery disputed between counsel? >> actually ted because i have been a practicing attorney i'm well aware it's quite common to have default judgments if something somebody fails to abide by the discovery terms and the law but how is rudy giuliani going to pay this particular damages? >> look. we aren't going to say anything with an appeal coming up.

what i want to get is this point across. i am not going to speak to your show. we have just started here. you've got 50 minutes to go. so many in the media today have failed to really explain what happened. right? because you say, you throw out this almost $150 million award that was issued but people aren't being told the truth about how this decision came about and it came about by a default judgment issued by this judge over a discovery dispute. >> a jury decided he was liable. the due process conditions were met. he had an opportunity. the mayor the former u.s. attorney of new york was not a layman in these terms. i understand the point you're raising but a jury has made this finding. a judge has made a finding. >> what find something laura what find diagnosis the jury make? >> just because you raise your

voice toward me does not mean that you have been responsive or the next point you're going to raise i'm going to actually delve into deeper. thank you so much for the time that you've taken today. i asked the questions. you provide the answers you wanted to give. thank you so much. >> and i appreciate the opportunity to come on in defense of america's mayor, rudy giuliani! >> a pleasure on a friday night. thank you so much. i bring in annie larson attorney for freeman and malls. thank you so much for joining us today. i want to start by getting your reaction to the conversation we have just had. your clients won. giuliani remains unrepentantant as you heard through his representative. why don't you clarify for the american public about what it is about rudy giuliani that seems to say he did not have an opportunity to defend himself or the judgment against him is somehow invalid. >> first of all thanks so much

for having me laura. hopefully this conversation can go a little differently than the lasts one you just had. >> i think you know, it seems mr. goodman is confused about what has happened over the past couple years in litigation so i would be happy to offer an explanation to him and anyone else wanting to understand. the way that litigation works, civil litigation works which of course mr. giuliani having been an attorney for you know half of a century is well aware of, is that the parties to a litigation engage in discovery where they exchange relevant documents to that litigation. here relevant documents would be the reach of mr. giuliani's various podcastses and radio shows, relevant documents would have been been emails between

him and others found to be co-conspirators understanding what they knew and when, what did they believe the state farm arena video showed and when, what mr. giuliani chose to do was to not engage in the most basic rules of discovery and despite beak given opportunity after opportunity over the course of nearly two years, the court did enter a default judgment with something that mr. goodman forgot to be mention, two stipulations signed by mr. giuliani himself, saying, i would like to have a default judgment entered against me on liability. so. >> really important to unpack that which would have been obvious with a former u.s. attorney like rudy giuliani on that point but i've spent i think enough time thinking about his motivation and instead i

want to focus on what the result has been to the people who a jury has found he owes damages to. ruby freeman says that even though you've got this amount and it's a very high amount. you can't give her back her home security or name. shea moss talked about the impact on her sense of safety on mental health. i wonder how they're doing tonight especially because the amount they were asking for was about a hundred million dollars less than what e-they were awarded. >> well certainly i appreciate you bringing it back to ms. freeman and ms. moss because this is really about them. we've heard enough. i think the jury verdict proves we've heard enough from mr. giuliani and his friends. now what this week has been about and hopefully what the future is about, is hearing the truth, hearing the truth spoken to power.

ms. freeman and ms. moss are so appreciative of the jury doing their civil duty and listening to what they have been through, which was very difficult for us all to hear. you know, not to even mention of course how difficult it was for them to experience it. so, they're very appreciative. they feel that this is an important step in the path forward justice, but money doesn't make you whole when your life is turned upside down. but we do believe that it is a powerful message to those sorts of people who would seek to target civil servants in the future. >> annie, really quick is he the last of litigants you think to be held to account? >> as mr. giuliani has said all week but didn't deliver on, stay tuned, and we will deliver. >> we'll see what that delivery

will bring. annie larson thank you so much. >> thank you so much laura. >> all this is about what happened in the last presidential election and well another one is just 325 days away. i know time is flying. next we talk to a candidate who is running in the next presidential election as an independent, cornell west.

>> cornell west is running for president as an independent and his candidacy is bringing concerns from the democrats he could take enough votes from joe biden to insure a second trump term. what does cornell west have to say about this? he joins me now. goods to see you. glad you're joining the slow this evening. you have undoubtedly heard all

the conversation surrounding this phrase of being a spoiler. you said you're not going to be a spoiler in the race but there is data from the 2016 election that shows for example jill stein a major factor in trump winning states like michigan wisconsin and pennsylvania over say hillary clinton. tell me why are you sure that is not going the case with your run as an independent? >> first i want to thank you for letting me on the show and salute you. you have a great show and i applaud you. >> go tigers. thank you so much. >> no, you and i know this is a very, very fluid moment. i'm not convinced that brother biden is going to be the

candidate for the democratic party. i think he's going to [indistinct] and carville, calling for him to pull back and even with trump given what we've just seen with brother rudy giuliani and we have that kind of criminality coming at you that he might not even be the candidate. the crucial thing is to be we have to be coin assistant in our critique of empire our carry teeing of greed and trying to elevate the discourse beyond hatred and revenge and greed and talk about truth justice and love. we just got on the ballot in alaska and i'm very excited about this and brother mark belkin and sister elizabeth

freeman meaning there's a hunger out there, there's a thirst out there to get beyond trump leading to us civil war number 2 or biden leading to us world war number 3. we know both candidates can not represent the best of america. my canned sid is about what? introducing america to the best of its, martin luther king, that's the best of america. where is that best when it comes to presidential politics? why do we ends up with this mediocre mentality? >> strong words about how you think both these candidates might fare in the long run and talking about the best of the country, but there is the notion you are not yet on the ballot for all 50 states. do you think there's a

trajectory where you could be to bring your ideas to the greater public and in a general election? >> i'll, i'll definitely be on the ballot for the 95-98 states. we have states that are low hanging fruit, 1500 signatures and so forth and you've got the middle group and i've got 18,000 volunteers so we are on the move. we are on the move. just met with my mag fifth brothers and sisters at the teamsters, brother brian and his visionary leadership. just in conversation they're not promising anything but they recognize we are trying to be in the language of john coltrane, a voice for good. i'm talking about truth and jutsz. >> excuse me. i'm sorry. i did not mean to kit you off. but if you were to secure endorsements with the teamsters

and beyond that would change things for a lot of reasons. we will have to have you back cornell west to talk more as the race goes on. always a pleasure to see. >> it'sing a blessing. stay strong now. >> thank you. coming up cnn's presentation of hbo's overtime with bill mauere and d there's a big susurprise e too. ststay tuned to fifind out w wh.

>> every friday after realtime with bill maher they answer questions about top nicks the national is conversation and tonight you might notice a familiar face on with bill yours truly. here is overtime with bill maher. >> here we are on cnn. ray romano, tom, i loved it. she's the anchor of laura coates live. we know laura coates.

big story and novelist in america this week walter .

ozempic. >> two i use it? no. >> you use everything. right? >> you're right. ray, there is for you. do you think a show like everybody loves raymond would be successful today in our polarized country and be more successful what this country needs? >> here i am answering for you. >> it's hard to say. i mean, the landscape tv has

changed. live audience is kind of a throw back but i think in the end funny is funny if it's done right. i think it can survive if you do it right. >> i'm much more worried about standup. she goes into her act and said there was this feeling oh, the old person is doing jokes. [laughter]. >> that's like corny now jokes are corny. don't tell jokes. it's corny. >> i still go to the clubs. >> and please keep telling jokes. looks funny.

>> next time it's acronyms go ttll. >> or lol. [laughter]. >> right. okay. so you are good at this. how will shohei antonies deal change sports? it's moving up. that's why i invested in the mets when i did. people said you're crazy. why are you buying a baseball team? it's one thing that always goes up. i did a piece on this one week. it's the one thing can you trust because i know that those people who play baseball, those are the absolute best 600 baseball players in the world. there's no favoritism. there's no nepo babies. in sports you show up and do your best. [applause]

>> if lebron james' kid isn't good he went to play. as great a sport is he won't play. >> ohtani is changing the sport by being an athlete who can pitch and hit. >> well babe ruth did it. >> right. >> so you're saying there was a gap. [laughter]. >> this may be an outlier opinion on this but i think the way lead athletes work it's a mental work nobody broke the 4 minute mile one guy did and everybody did. i think this will happen with this sport too. there will be people who pitch and hit. >> it's going to change. >> i got news for you. you're always the outlier when you can invest in the sports team. [laughter]. >> absolutely. maybe i am richer than you are. >> but you know what is changing? that is the amount of the

contract that explains the $25 hotdogs. [applause] >> is there really a $25 hotdog? . >> get a hotdog soda pretzel, it's the whole thing. >> i never understand the american economy. taylor swift tickles. i read somewhere the average spent is $1300 like travel and merchandise but that many people have that much to spend? >> they don't have that much money to waste. they beg, borrow, charge up their credit card. >> i think they get it from their parents [applause] >> they get it from their parents and turn into hunter biden later. >> right, $400. laura what do you think of jack smith taking trump's immunity claim directly to the supreme

court? >> brilliant. why not go straight to the horse's mouth? you're going to have to have a time when you know what's ending up in the supreme court. so why do that route? just give me the answer is, he minor not, do i have a case for trial in march? >> ray claims he's not smart enough to do this show but he is. pretend he isn't and explain the background of there. >> dumb it down. >> people may not have heard about immunity. i'm a little fuzzy on this. >> so jack and jill went up a hill. [applause] >> honestly here is what happened. really it's. this remember that statement by nixon if a president does it it's not illegal. >> right. >> remember that statement. well having a president does is not an official presidential act. going to the bathroom. campaigning. committing a crime. these are things that are not in

the twhous of a president but trying to figure out if it's not what your official duty is do you get the protection of being able to say you can't touch me, you can't prosecute me because having is part of the job? that's the issue. >> this pertains to the federal trial. he's trying to claim that everything he said leading up to january 6 and really on january 6 was part of a presidential duty and i can't be prosecuted. you got to know the answer to that question because if he's right and the court decides with him a lot of cases in the federal level go poof gone. >> i saw today trump is beating biden by ten points 48-378d and last month bind was up by 4. he lost 14 points in a month and it's a month where the economy seemed to be getting better like inflation is getting more under control the stock market just hit a record high.

why, what was the 14-point loss about? it can't all be hunter biden. i know we like to pile on biden. >> people talk about the feel-nonics rather than actual data and i'm far from my home turf talking about inflation and everything else. i know how much milk costs, how much gas costs. i know how i feel about both but people are not always on board saying you are not feeling all the wins. >> i say in the paper this week somebody asked biden if they thought he was the whom one could beat trump which i always thought was the whole reason why this person who i like joe but i don't think he should be the candidate but that's the reason to be for this.

he thought 50 democrats cost beats trump. then why are you there? and as james carville said, any centrist democrat like 50ish could do it and gavin newsom is going to be on our first show. looks like a strong candidate to me. >> i was going to say everybody loves ray. [applause] >> you can watch realtime with bill maher friday night. up next award winning filmmaker

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duvernay. >> coming to a theater ava duvernay on the oppression that has shaped america and the world. >> you don't escape trauma by ignoring it. you escape trauma by confronting it. i don't like questions. i write answers. >> origin is an adaptation of the pul it isser prize winner book "cast" removed from some book shelves across this country. here's my conversation with the director-writer of origin, ava duvernay. ava, i'm so excited to have seen this movie origin.

you touched on what no one has captured which is a through line. there is connective tissue between all of us. talk to me about why you wanted this filled to be made. >> well, in the book, cast, wilkerson is threading together different arc's history, the arc of the african-american experience, the slavery through segregation to the current day, the arc of the experience in india of untouchables and the arc of the jewish people and their experience during the holocaust and we are taught that these are separate times in history separate oppressed peoples who really aren't connected whether it's racism sexism homophobia antisemitism, whatever it is, it's all

grounded in an idea of social hire can i that someone has to be better than someone else. >> there's a line you talk about about confronting trauma. why is that so important? >> as americans, i just don't feel like we have a fluency in the touch stuff. we don't invest the time the emotion the pain. we are good at putting it by, calling it by whatever names feels comfortable, putting it on a shelf, taking it off a shelf, banning it, all the ways which we wrestle with history without actually looking at it confronting it and digging into it, looking at it closely. that's what her book did for me. it allowed me to connect all these different points in history all these cultures all

these continue nentds sand saying there's a sameness to this and you never know unless you look at it closely and it's about time we do that more often. >> there's a scene about book-burning, nazi germany is a part the caste system in india the civil rights era in jim crow south but there's in notion about trying to erase the history. >> when you burn books, you're not far from burning men and just agree debate, decide. but when you take the book off the shelf, it's decided for you and that is tragic and that is something we are experiencing in this country.

caste is a banned book, and many cities in many schools in certain states around this country so i'm proud that this film is based on a banned book and you might be able to ban the book but you can't ban the film and these ideas will live on and even if you ban the book, you ban everything and history tells us that the truth will rise and that justice and dignity will prevail. >> so nice to talk to you. by the way, the cast in this, unbelievable to bring this story to life. you've got an extraordinary cast. >> ellis taylor is incredible. she reminds me of you. >> i'm highly complimented. >> she's a fabulous woman. >> i'm so appreciative. i can't wait for everybody to see origin. >> thank you again ava duvernay

for that amazing conversation. we'll be right back.

>> tonight beloved friends star math tho perry's autopsy report has been released, ketamine is used to treat depression, anxiety. drowning, coronary artery disease and the effects of a medication that treats opioid

use disorder, he was 54 years old, a bright comedy light extinguished way too soon. matthew perry will always be remembered as our forever "friend". >> when am i going to see you again? >> i'm guessing again at the coffee house. >> take care! >> yeah.

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