freeman and shaye moss won, and then because of the comments that rudy giuliani made outside the courtroom during the course of this four- day trial, these women went to court again and filed another lawsuit and asked a court to stop rudy giuliani from saying anything further, even though their original case had concluded. so this is an ongoing saga and we are seeing this other lawsuit and now today the district court judge saying they can begin collecting those millions of dollars that is owed to them immediately. >> almost $150 million. jessica, thank you very much into our viewers, thanks for watching. you can always follow me on x, formerly known as twitter, situation room is available as a podcast. erin burnett out front starts right now.

trump caches in asking supporters to chip in after the colorado supreme court disqualified him from the ballot there. his appeal to the supreme court is expected at any moment as he also tries to use the supreme court to stall his january 6th federal case. all eyes on the highest court in the land tonight. plus screams for help, new evidence showing gopro footage of the three hostages that the military shot and killed. at least one of the hostages could be heard crying for help. how did things go so terribly wrong? rfk junior, keeping up his momentum in the polls in these weeks leading into the primary season, his media strategy, a podcast circuit. and many of his supporters say that is what sucks them in. a special report, let's go out front. and good evening, and out

front tonight, chip in. donald trump, those are the words being sent out to his supporters, doing everything he can to take advantage of colorado's historic ruling, barring him from running in the states. this ad appearing all over trump's social media accounts and it reposts every few hours, they are getting daily with that. here's asking his supporters to chip in, trying to make this a mega money situation. it comes as his legal team is appealing the colorado case to the supreme court. a move that will put the nine justices on the supreme court in the center of the 2024 election. and tonight, president biden weighing in. >> is trump and insurrectionist, sir? >> it's self-evident. you saw it all. he certainly supported an insurrection. no question about it. none, zero. >> meanwhile, republicans are calling out the colorado court for they say, trying to

overrule voters. >> well, it's unfair, they are abusing power, 100%. >> the idea that judges are going to take it upon themselves to decide who can and can't be on the ballot, is truly unthinkable. >> this is a move on behalf of the establishment in both parties, that i think is -bent to determine to say that donald trump should not be able to run and see this through. >> i do not believe donald trump should be prevented from being president of the united states by any court. >> and to be clear, if anybody was going to jump on this and take the other side given how he feels would be chris christie but he didn't, saying that court should stay out of it and the supreme court will have a crucial ruling ahead of this. and this is not the only case that will play a role in this election. today, trump trying to stall jack smith january 6th case with the supreme court asking the highest court in the land to shoot down smith's request

to immediately rule on whether the case can move forward. on the supreme court is also facing a whole slew of other cases that could significantly impact the election like a case on the validity of the law used to charge hundreds of people in connection with the january 6th right. like a case on whether an abortion drug will be available. like a case on the scope of the second amendment, not since bush versus gore has the supreme court played such a pivotal role in an election. when you list all of this and think about where we are now, it almost seems quaint, like a little hanging chad, by comparison. and there's drama on the supreme court, over this precipitous moment and whether they can meet it. the pressure is building for justice thomas to recuse himself in any case dealing with january 6th. that's because his wife, and her efforts to overturn the 2020 election are relevant here. shortly after the election, ginni thomas, was texting mark meadows one of the messages reading, help this great president stand firm, mark,

three exclamation points. she also emailed john eastman, one of the architects behind trump's attempt to have the fake elector scheme. she was always -- also at the stop the steal rally and master she told a house committee investigating january 6th, okay, get ready for this, this is where comes to a head, that she still believes the 2020 election was stolen. she said that last year, to the committee and now her husband, the husband of an election denier could help decide the 2024 election. evan, you know it is incredible the supreme court, always important, in this moment, all roads leading right to those nine justices, and i know you have new reporting tonight on what the trump team thinks is next in the face of this historic colorado rule. >> erin, they are bracing for more of the 14th amendment

challenges to spring up in other states but a number of them already as you know, and all of them have failed, really, until this one, in colorado. we also saw one just recently filed in the state of oregon, and so that one is pending and so what we don't know is where these will happen next, and that what -- that is what has the trump team concerned. they will have to spend money to defend the former president in multiple states. it's a big financial issue but one of the other things we are watching for is obviously when they go to the supreme court, they have some time and we are told that we might be having a few more days before we see that appeal to the supreme court. they of course, need to make the appeal, they have a few things they want to bring up including of course, the idea that there was not due process

in this case in colorado. but, they have a few more days. colorado has to certify it's ballot by january 5th and when they vote, it's actually in march of the question is whether the supreme court will be able to address all of this in the next couple of months, before voters in colorado go to the ballot box on march 5th. >> that really lays it out when you think about it. sometimes you think, name off the ballot you are thinking all the way out to next november but because this affects the primaries for colorado, that's in march. you've got printing deadlines, absentee ballot timelines, everyday matters. ryan goodman is with me now. the special counsel for the department of defense, steve law and van jones, former special advisor to former president obama. this is a huge moment for the supreme court and i know i was being a little tongue in cheek, it makes 2000 look like a

hanging chad moment. >> these are gigantic cases. will a former president be barred from running for office again because they were responsible for engaging in an insurrection. that's just and norma's, and the other one is big as well, our president of the united states immune for conduct that occurred while they were in office. that's the second one that they have to decide and we will be deciding these cases earlier in the year, probably. >> as you've been looking at the court, and how they seem to be responding here, do you have any indication, i guess there's two parts to this, is there any question that they are going to take up these issues? the colorado case and the immunity issue, the jack smith situatio n, and how quickly

could these decisions actually occur? >> sure, i mean, erin, the first question is easier one, no. i think no matter what, both the immunity question and the section 3 disqualification question are going to be resolved by the u.s. supreme court. certainly between now and june. i think the question is how much faster? the u.s. supreme court, we could hear from the justices as early as the end of this week, that they are going to either take up smith's expedited appeal or they will let the federal appeals court go first. argument is tentatively scheduled for january ninth, so that still pretty quick. the supreme court, even if it doesn't step in now could presumably hear that case by the end of january, early february. the colorado case is a bit trickier, because the carnal supreme court stayed its own ruling and that means that trump's name will be on the ballot so long as he files his appeal by january fourth. i think the u.s. supreme court might take a little bit more time with that case but a little bit more time just means

january or february for the oral argument, the decision by march. by the supreme court standards, that is lightning fast. i think we've already seen a couple of very small tea leaf reading type signs that the justices are clearing out their calendars and making provisions to move pretty quickly on both of these cases, you know, once they are fully ready to go. >> van, one thing that's clearly happening now is that well, now the trump gop primary opponents seem to be aligned, they are rallying around it. you've got chris christie on the same page as ron desantis. what did it take to get us there? there we are, all defending trump. you know, that is the reality that we are seeing, trump fundraising off of it, and in a big way, right, it kept hitting your inbox today again and again. was the colorado decision actually good for democrats? in the moment, i'm sure a lot of them were celebrating, but are they now? >> people were happy and

hopeful that maybe something could happen that would impose some type of accountability on a runaway train called donald trump that has done everything to trash our democracy and our norms, it seems to be barreling back towards the white house. towards the republicans that you see rallying around him now, that's not new. in fact, if mitch mcconnell had just done his job, the republican leader in the house, and convicted trump for these political crimes, we wouldn't be here. what happened is, the house and preached trump and mitch mcconnell didn't let the senate conviction. had that happened, he would have been disqualified the right way through politics instead it's dumped over into the court system and now you've got criminal courts and

election officials and everybody trying to figure out a way to stop this guy and the republican party is standing strong. they've been derelict in their party from the beginning of this whole crisis. >> a game of hot potato. he said trump was guilty but put this to the courts. >> and now here we are. >> and we are also, ryan and steve, in the context of a court, that has clarence thomas on it. whose wife, ginni thomas, was denying the election just as early as last year, and attending the stop the steal rally and he has shown no indication that he has any intent of recusing himself. >> i think he should, just for the public interest and the fairness of the proceedings and to see the court as beyond reproach. his spouse is directly in communication with john eastman, a codefendant for donald trump in the georgia case. she's indirect communication with mark meadows, who is an indicted co-conspirator in the georgia case -- >> calling it the greatest heist of our history. >> it wasn't just that she was

texting with him but it was about overturning the election for donald trump, after the election was held and she's very much supportive and she's pushing meadows in fact, into that space, that would be the time that he would recuse himself. he's recused himself previously but it was a case that was directly about the communications between her and john eastman but this is one of the same pieces of the puzzle. >> you are saying yes, the right thing to do, yes, but will he? >> no, and we have at least one sign of that. the order that the court issued last week where the court agreed to expedite consideration of jack smith petition, had no notation that he was recused. and i think what we really should do is take a step back and try and figure out what is the endgame if you are the

supreme court. if you're chief justice, how do you navigate to get the court to a place where it still has credibility on the far side. some of that is about whether justice thomas recuses but some of that is about, is there a way to reach some sort of compromise where you have justices appointed by presidents of both parties, across the ideological spectrum, reaching some kind o f consensus, much like a unanimous supreme court did back in 1974 in the watergate tapes case. i think that's the real question for the supreme court, now that they won't be able to avoid these issues, what are they going to do to keep the public faith? that this is a judicial resolution and not just a political one. >> i have to give you credit for a okay and algae. fan, final word to you. president biden saying i will let the court decide but being clear, he supported an

insurrection, no question, nine, zero. is that the appropriate response for the sitting president? >> what he said is right. we all saw him whip up this mod and the mob go and attack people, what he said was right but i'm not sure it was right for him to say it, in that it puts him in the controversy in a way that is not helpful. if the court goes his way, it makes him look like maybe he pushed the courts in a certain direction. if the court doesn't go his way, he looks weak. so i would prefer that biden just a out of this controversy. we have a court system. it should never have gone to the court system, the senate should have handled this but we have a court system that is doing the best they can and i don't think the executives should be weighing in. >> i appreciate all of you very much. next, what was caught on tape, the three hostages killed by israeli fighters, it was recorded, reportedly yelling for help days before they were accidentally shot. and that's not all that was

captured on an idm gopro. we are live, in tel aviv next. 10 americans who have been held in venezuela prisons are on their way home after biden makes a pack with a leader who takes his cues from putin. and where is alexi nepali? his wife raising concerns about her husband who has now been missing for 15 days.

cnn is learning details about the shooting death of three israeli hostages by israel's own military. there's camera footage that exists. they put a gopro on a dog and it went into the house where the hostages were. you can hear the three hostages five days before their death on this video. they were caught in a firefight and their voices can be heard on the foot is screaming for help along with crisis saying hostages. the canine was killed by hamas in that particular attack and of course the three hostages were killed by the idf days later. jeremy, it's just a whole new level of horror to the story.

there was a situation where there was a dog with gopro footage in the idf could have known that there were hostages there, have they watched it or i don't know, what more are you learning about this footage? >> especially given the fact that this footage was captured five days before those three hostages were shot and killed. this footage was apparently captured during a firefight in which the military believes that the forces actually killed hamas fighters who were holding those three israelis hostage. on the footage, though, was unfortunately only located yesterday, after the hostages had already been killed. it's not clear exactly why soldiers didn't enter the building at the time to retrieve the dog and retrieve this footage but one of the --

one analyzed it, they said they could clearly hear the voices of those three hostages and this will be a part of the investigation that the military is conducting but today, also what we heard, was the mother of one of the hostages, she recorded a voice message to the soldiers of the unit that were involved in the shooting of her son and of the two other hostages, and in it, she tells them, not to blame themselves, listen. >> i know that everything that happened is not your fault. it's nobody's fault except hamas, made their name and memory be wiped off the face of the earth. don't hesitate, if you see a terrorist, don't think that you have deliberately killed a hostage. you need to protect yourself because the only way you would be able to protect us. >> meanwhile, we are hearing a very different message from the father of another one of the hostages. he is saying that the shooter should not have opened fire. he is also accusing the israeli government of murdering his

son, and tonight, is also delivering a message directly to the israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, effectively accusing him of cowardice for not calling or visiting him. >> just a horrible tragedy. and the three men did have their shirts off, they were carrying eight makeshift white flag. outfront now, retired colonel

. >> in any kind of situation, it doesn't matter. i mean the reporting has been that they were carrying a white flag and have their shirts off, that doesn't matter, truthfully, it's very difficult and intense combat to figure out who his friend and who is foe, and in addition to that, the training of individual soldiers like israeli soldiers,, you know, it could leave them down a different path depending on their level of training. they are extremely well trained, they make hesitate and not shoot at someone, but we don't know the conditions on the battlefield that particular day. was it in a firefight? it appears to have been. was there a lot of smoke or darkness or confusion? and when you are in that situation, the soldiers who had their finger on the trigger are

primarily concerned with their own welfare, defending themselves, and i think you know, i had an incident in one of the, i had. it took days to figure out exactly what happened and it was a training situation again, much like this one, and unfortunately, the soldiers as i understand it, there was one soldier who killed two of the hostages, that soldier will carry that the rest of his life. it's unfortunate that these hostages were killed. the soldier will carry the rest of his life, the other soldier who fire before the commander gave the order to cease fire, they will all carry it, the unit will carry it, the israeli defense forces will kill -- carry it. this is what happens in combat, unfortunately, sometimes. >> it's been more than two weeks and that idf said that it had surrounded his home, leading to the application that they had him. that was the tone that came in

well no, he wasn't there, but last night the israeli ambassador told me they believe that he is deep in a tunnel inside gaza. and i said, are you sure he's there and he said, we believe that he is. so, what do you think there intelligence is? at some levels it seems like they know a lot and on another, it's sort of shocking given how small gaza is and how many israeli eyes have been on it, how little they know. >> yeah, i saw your interview last night, it was a good one with the ambassador and what i would say is, they don't know a lot and they know a lot. it describes exactly what you just said. today, a report came out that they found extensive tunnels and in fact i talked to a former israeli colleague that i knew. he said market, you could not believe the amount of tunnel systems that we are seeing right now, it is beyond belief,

it isn't just the one that jeremy was in the other day that you could drive through, it's multiple stories, it goes down 50 feet. it was generated by drilling machines that the israeli army said they haven't even used on the tel aviv metro. it goes below the water level after the initial 50 feet, so these tunnels are extensive, they are complex, they are large and mind-boggling when the israelis come in there. and sinwar is somewhere in the tunnels. they can say we believe he's in there but they don't know for sure. it's a mixed bag of knowledge and lack of knowledge when you're dealing with these facilities like israel, it seemed, which no other army in the world is seeing these kind of subterranean facilities. >> general, thank you very much, as always. next, the republican presidential candidate nikki haley, seeing new signs momentum after the states

popular governor endorsed her in new hampshire. governor sununu is next. and biden striking a deal with a power-hungry leader who has threatened to invade his neighbor in order to free 10 prisoners.s.

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caucuses. you are looking at live pictures of both of them, campaigning at this moment, wrapping up their attacks on each other as they try to emerge as the clear alternative to donald trump. >> haley, no one would even try to say's she is a conservative, we know she is not. >> every single commercial that ron desantis has put up there has been a lie. >> all right come all of this coming as aliasing a major surge in new hampshire. she is in second place there, with about 30% of likely voters. that's nearly tripling her support from september and it's important to note in that state, trump does not have a majority. he does and i but in new hampshire, he does not have a majority. so at least on the pole front, very competitive looking there. after receiving a key endorsement from the states governor, chris sununu who is outfront now. i appreciate your time. governor haley is seeing a clear surge since your

endorsement last week. as i pointed out, trump is not pulling at a majority in the most recent polling as he is and i will. you don't know how either state will go but even though haley has momentum in your state, does she have the time to bridge a 14 point gap with trump? >> without a doubt. look, we are notorious for making up our mind almost at the last minute. you can see the momentum, she's the only candidate who has momentum, she is getting that earned media. people are starting to look in her direction and those that want to see a one on one race, they are saying, this is the path. she had another pole backing up the first poll saying that she is within 12 to 14 points here which sounds like a lot but for new hampshire, that's nothing, knowing everything can change at the last minute. >> the other question is, does

she have to win new hampshire to actually move forward to the gop nomination, in a clear way to voters in the next state, and is a solid second cut it? >> oh no, yeah, look, donald trump is the only person that has to win and i and you have to because the whole world have been told that he's going to win in a landslide in both states for the last year. so the expectations for him are high. no one expects other candidates to win either state. so a solid second would be great but i think she's going to win here. i really do. the voter turnout, i think it will be record-breaking, everyone is coming in for nikki haley not just because i say

so, that has very little to do with it. she is doing the town halls, she's bringing the energy, showing her credentials, the background she brings and she's always looking forward and new hampshire is a state with respect iowa, but new hampshire always picks the next generation of conservative leadership. political momentum is a very real thing and sometimes you can become a freight train that's hard to stop. >> today on the campaign trail and obviously you got both governors haley and desantis, right now, we are looking at live pictures of nikki haley in iowa town halls but the dominating topic has been the supreme court ruling that kicked trump off the ballot there for his actions on january 6th, inciting and interaction. now nikki haley and ron desantis, chris christie, vivek ramaswamy, there's been unanimity that that was the wrong thing to do. trump is getting ready to appeal the ruling. how much is this moment helping trump and hurting haley and

others? >> this definitely helps trump. he has played this victim card at his weakest moment in this campaign, the indictments hit and he played the victim card at his numbers went through the roof. you have colorado being this outlier state, trying is very bizarre move which is likely going to get overturned by the supreme court and it should. hopefully it'll happen quickly so we can have it go back to being a one on one race between trump and haley. and it is right now. a poll came up today having nikki clearly alone in second place, even in iowa. this is a one on one race but as soon as we can put this victimization of trump behind all of us, and he's going to play that card as hard as he

can. he never wants to talk about the future or about what he's going to try and bring to the table because then he gets questions about his past which he can't answer, so he's going to keep playing the victim card and hopefully the supreme court will put it behind us quickly. >> thank you, i appreciate your time, good to see you. next, 10 americans freed after biden strikes a deal with a world leader who's been following input to the putin's footsteps. what could this mean for americans who are being held in russia tonight? rfk junior shifting to a new strategygy, podcaststs.

breaking news, 10 americans jailed in venezuela are about to land on american soil for the first time since their imprisonment. they are part of a prison swap with venezuela. the u.s., giving up a close ally of maduro, president biden is defending it. >> these people were held illegally and we made a deal with venezuela. they have maintained their requirements and that is it. >> 10 americans who spent months and years imprisoned in

venezuela are on their way back to the united states. state department officials say six who were officially listed as wrongfully detained by the u.s. government will touch down in san antonio, texas, tonight. among them, savoy right. >> we have no higher priority than bringing our citizens out of harms way. >> also is leonard francis, the infamously corrupt contractor known as fat leonard. he was the mastermind of the largest bribery scandal nus naval history. he fled to venezuela after his conviction in 2015. the u.s. had used sanctions against venezuela, and agreed to return an ally of the venezuelan president. he was facing prison time in the u.s. on corruption and

money laundering charges. the venezuelan government is also releasing 20 political prisoners, some seen leaving prison by a cnn team in venezuela. the biden administration says this deal is a sign of improving relations between the u.s. and venezuela, and part of its effort to push the dictatorship towards more democratic reforms. but the deal comes as their regime is threatening to take over part of a neighboring country, guy honest it's just used to venezuela and maduro wants control of the small country's oil reserves. and a senior administration official says maduro still faces criminal charges in the u.s., including trafficking and corruption. president biden is vowing to keep the pressure up on the venezuelan president. >> they are keeping their commitment towards democratic

election. >> but this deal sparks renewed frustration for families of some other americans imprisoned abroad. paul whalen has been held in a russian prison for nearly 5 years. his brother recently telling outfront his family is growing frustrated with the biden administration. >> i don't see that the government is any closer to bringing paul home than they were a year ago. >> putin so far is refusing to make the deal for his release. >> we want to negotiate. >> he said last week we want to negotiate and the agreements must be mutually satisfactory to both sides. like the one to release brittney griner more than a year ago in exchange for a national arms dealer but the hope is that the u.s. could strike another deal to bring their loved ones back home. >> reporter: several members of the families have released a

statement saying that their loved ones ordeal is over and they are grateful to the u.s. government for their efforts in negotiating their release. it's not clear how many family members will be here on the ground when this plane arrives here later tonight. as i mentioned, six of the 10 that we are expecting to see here in san antonio later tonight, we don't have much information on the other for but we've been told they are being taken to another location. >> thank you very much in san antonio where the plane is going to land i want to go to a former member of seal team six because he has worked on hostage rescues and negotiations around the world, so chuck, talking about the situation here, you know, many and venezuela consider alex saab , that he's guilty, what is your reaction to this? >> i was pretty surprised actually, that something would come out of venezuela like this, at the present time. with maduro's recent saber rattling. i was actually surprised that alex saab would be given back. he's a member of maduro's

insider club. these are guys that you know, purloined venezuela's natural resources. the graft is measured in the millions and alex saab was on route to negotiate a back alley oil deal. the problem for people like maduro, he can lay hands on all sorts of resources but he is a very hard time turning them into dollars. and there was definitely some give and venezuela, among the people that have been transferred work to former green berets, they were involved in a failed insurrection attempt back in 2019. >> so you are saying in that front it significant. but when you are looking at a moment, where venezuela has threatened to militarily invade more than half of its neighboring country in order to get oil reserves in the biden administration has had

sanctions, obviously putin is a big supporter of the maduro regime and meanwhile, nothing happening there, paul whelen, five years imprisoned in russia and nothing is happening there. is this deal mean anything for somebody like paul whelen? >> you know, you've got three hostage transactions attracting world attention. it's hard to see three points on a map and not draw a triangle. paul whalen, is russia's blue- chip hostage. and again, this is a guy who went on vacation in russia and spent five years in a labor camp. he was not traded for victor bout, who was the international arms dealer, sort of exporting misery all around africa, but we hope that paul will get home for christmas but i don't have a lot of hope.

>> amazingly, that you would even put christmas on that map, hearing you say that alone, maybe there will be some sort of a miracle there but it's been five years that his family has suffered and he has suffered. thanks so much. next, rfk jr. is building on his support by focusing on podcasts, a totally different track than the other candidates, and it is working. we will show you exactly what he's doing, why it's resonating and it's been 15 days since putin's top critic, election of all me, went missing in the russian penal colony that he is in. tonight, the head of his organization demands a answers.

tonight, rfk jr. set to take the stage in moments for a campaign rally in phoenix. he is polling higher than any third party or independent candidate in a generation, consistently since early in the spring holding 20% in a hypothetical three-way race against president biden and former president trump. one of his main media strategies

is actually going on podcasts. it's a specific strategy, and the question is, how is it working? lucy kafanov is "out front." >> hello and welcome to "entangled." >> reporter: jordan, a colorado venture capitalist and podcaster says he voted for democrats in every presidential election since he's been eligible until now. >> so, this election, i'm planning to vote for bobby kennedy. >> youkilis says he experienced a transformation of sorts during the pandemic which changed not only his political views but also where he gets his information. >> since the pandemic started and i lost trust in a lot of the things that were being told to us by the corporate media, i started to explore more and more alternative sources of media and get more actively involved in things like podcasts. >> reporter: a format he thinks serves kennedy well. >> i think one of the reasons bobby kennedy is more successful in long form podcasts is because

he can articulate his intelligence. if i was just looking at the corporate media presentation of him, i would probably just think he's a conspiracy theorist, anti-vaxxer. >> thank you all. thank you very, very much. this campaign is, kind of, armageddon potentially for the legacy media. >> reporter: kennedy is open about his online strategy. >> when we can convince those people to watch a podcast, watch a joe rogan or jordan peterson, they have a very, very high and very quick conversion rate. >> reporter: since launching his long-shot bid for the white house, first as a democrat, now as an independent. >> it became clear to me that that's what i needed to do. >> reporter: kennedy has been making the rounds on popular podcasts and live stream. >> elon, it's a real pleasure meeting you, and thank you so much for hosting this. >> reporter: where he's able to reach large audiences while speaking at length, usually without being challenged or fact checked. >> why would we have biolabs in ukraine?

>> we have biolabs in ukraine because we're developing bioweapons. >> the last podcast he did was removed. >> which is clearly a violation of first amendment. cell phone tumors. >> that was the one that cinched it for me was joe rogan 1999. >> rosie aguilar hasn't voted in the last several presidential elections. the candidates didn't excite her. >> those are my choices, dumb or dumber. >> reporter: she wasn't planning on voting this year until she listened to joe rogan's three-hour-long interview with kennedy. >> joe asked great questions, questions i would ask, and mr. kennedy responded in a way that made sense to me. like, wow. >> i'm going to reboot the gps. >> i was swayed by rfk jr. on podcast form. >> katherine wilson was initially interested in kennedy too. >> we're ten times more likely to die over the next ten months

than girls. >> reporter: but the more she saw, the less she liked. >> it wasn't until i saw the rallies and a zoom event. god, everybody's white here. this isn't a solution to anything. i hear him talking about this unity, but what i see is not unity. >> reporter: for a far outside the main stream candidate like kennedy, this makes sense. he can bypass the gate keepers and fact checkers. he has larged and engaged audiences. while the supporters we've met have been extremely enthusiastic about him, which is no small feat in this election, it remains to be seen to see whether the podcast demographic will turn out election day. >> unbelievable and fascinating to come up with a totally different strategy as well, at least so far, obviously executing on. thanks so much, lucy. next, pressure growing for answers, as it has been n 15 da sisince alexeiei navalny w went missssing.

tonight, where is alexei navalny? a question he and his family and his top aide, frequent guests on "out front," they're asking now, pounding the table, saying for 15 days we don't know where alexei navalny is or what's happening to him. navalny leaving a russian penal colony just over two weeks ago. his team is concerned he's been transferred to a distant and worse penal colony, but they don't know if he's alive or not. the wife of a critic had this warning about prison transfers. >> the next step is the transfer. and this is a very dangerous period. they tend to los