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russia unleashing its
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biggest air attack on ukraine since the start of the invasion. and unprecedented number of drones and missiles fired a target all across the country. president biden's reaction here. we cannot let ukraine down. plus, a second state moving trump from the 2024 primary ballot, for now at least. maine's top election official barring the former president from running for office based on the insurrectionist band in the constitution. >> a monster wave hitting california's coast flooding, road closures, evacuation warnings. in ventura, more than a dozen onlookers were swept away by the surge you watch in this green. we are following these major developing stories, and many more, all coming in right here to cnn news central. today, president biden is
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once again calling on congress to urgently pass billions of dollars of new aid for ukraine. he is pointing to this. russia launching its largest air attack across ukraine since it invaded nearly two years ago. dozens of people are dead. more than 100 injured from this. video from the eastern city of timmy pro showing extensive damage to a maternity hospital. >> officials say that 12 pregnant women and for newborn babies were lucky and unhurt. had the missile hit any closer and have this ponce not responded quickly to aerate siren warnings it could've been a much more significant number of casualties. we want to go to cnn's nick robertson now. nick, walk us through what we are learning behind the details around these attacks. >> reporter: we know a number of people were killed in the capital, kyiv. we have seen video of a man who had a really lucky escape in the northeastern city of kharkiv, struck by multiple surface to air missiles. a fairly crude and rudimentary system. design for taking down
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aircraft. president zelenskyy, during the frontlines today, that russia had thrown pretty much every different type of armament it had. i think when you look at the map, the west getting hit. odessa from the south. parts of the central country getting. here you then examine it take about just how russia perpetrated this attack it began in the early hours overnight. the ukrainians say that first of all there were 36 russian drones. this was something, a pattern that they had seen before. the drones come in from the north, they come in from the southeast. then everything else got mixed up. the russians put up a strategic bomber. they put up long range bombers. they put up fighter jets in the. air there are all these multiple potential hostile enemy activity in and around ukraine. russia then starts firing in the missiles. hypersonic missiles coming from the fighter jets. tragic bombers launching long range cruise missiles. these other strategic bombers,
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18 of those, together they launched 90 cruise missiles. they have been loitering in there for hours. just to try to overrun, if you will, ukraine's air defense capabilities. of course, that is a potential weakness for ukraine in the future. can its air defense capabilities to find all of the civilians in these major cities? can they continue to sustain that if they do not have the support from the west? >> nick, this new wave of attacks, this is what the west is pointing to. this is spurring allies to say, ukraine needs more assistance. we are going to give more assistance. what can you tell us about this? >> the british today have said that they are going to contribute more surface to air missile systems, air defense missiles systems for ukraine. what ukraine was counting on was the united states, it's near 60 billion dollars finance structured over an extended time. the european union, as well,
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just before christmas planning a 55 billion dollar over for you spend on ukraine. that didn't pass the finish line, just -- the united states did not get the approval required. the ukrainians are now in this position where they don't know if they can count on these missiles coming in the future. they need air defense systems. they need to know that they can fire. every weapon system they need, one eye and the next night and the next night! that is the way that they keep the population safe. 158 missiles fired by the russians last night. 44 them got through. imagine if it had been more. there were 114 -- they have a much higher death toll. the infrastructure damage could've been much higher. this is what the ukrainians are worried about. >> nic robertson, thank you so much for the details. let's discuss further now with retired u.s. general, wesley clark. he served as retired u.s. nato
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commander. thank you so much for being with us, commander. >> thank, you boris. >> general, why do you think russia would conduct this type of air attack using so much weaponry? hitting so many different parts of ukraine at this point in the war? >> it is a matter of breaking the will of the west, as well as the will of the ukrainian people to resist. that is the intent. it is psychological. maybe there is a material impact, as well. i know that they had some factories, they tried to hit some power plants. this is, essentially, psychological warfare on a massive, destructive, scale. >> the narrative right now about the war has been that this has stall. and now you have russia playing this incredibly aggressive plan. do they have more of this coming in the days and weeks ahead? >> of course they do have more planned. we know the russian military
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industrial complex has been going 24/7. we have not, they have. consistently and the two years of the fighting we underestimate what the russians intend to do and what they're capable of doing. a lot of our perception was colored by that fumbling effort in kyiv the first few days. they looked like bumbling idiots. they are not they are adapting. they are building up their systems and they have a plan. we have to be that plan. it starts at the top with telling mr. putin, no more. and that starts with the mobilization of the u.s. military industrial base. putting that $60 million of effort into ukraine. we need to give them better intelligence, we need to give them better logistics support. we need to consider putting some american logisticians, contractors, into ukraine to help them prepare western equipment. we have got to keep them in the fight because this is our fight, as well as theirs.
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>> general, in order for that to happen they would have to be significant shift among lawmakers in the united states. specifically on the question of aid. obviously with personnel going to ukraine, i'm wondering what do you think happens if that shift doesn't come together? if there is no more aid coming from ukraine and congress? >> mr. putin thinks what's gonna happen is the west will continue its efforts. the europeans will give some. it will falter in fail. eventually there will be a breakthrough on the ground. ukrainian forces will suffer a significant defeat on the ground. and basically it will collapse. at that point the finger pointing starts inside of nato. did germany do enough? did france do enough? did the united states really lead? these poor nations that are facing, directly, assault from the russians. these baltic states, romania, especially poland, will be looking to their own devices.
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it will be the end of a 70 year era of american leadership. this is why we need to reach the american lawmakers in the american public and explain to them the enormous stakes that are riding on ukraine's defense. they are not fighting just for themselves. they are fighting for democracy, they are fighting for america, they are fighting for all of our values. we have got to move forward. this is like 1915 and 1916. 1939 and 1940, when america stood by while europe was at war. in both those cases we intervene, but only after there was tremendous suffering and almost too late. we got there in time. there is no time to waste any longer. we need to pull american leadership together and demonstrate it, more forcefully, in support of ukraine. >> you were, of course, former supreme allied commander at nato.
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what are the implications of one of these russian missiles? having spent considerable time, minutes, in polish airspace. poland, of course, a member of nato. >> nato has been under the same guidance that the united states have given everyone. don't get involved directly. let's don't get ourselves legally entangled in this. let's try to assist from a distance. that is playing record game right now. russia has gone along with this because they cannot do more right now. nato leadership has to decide how significant this is. how much greater risks are you willing to take to end this now on terms favorable to nato, or that ukraine collapse and have a much bigger problem in the future. >> general clark, thank you so much for being with us. clearly this could be a key moment in this war that we are watching begin overnight.
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we appreciate your time today. today, israel says it is expanding its military operations around the city of khan yunis in southern gaza. the idea of saying it has eliminated dozens of members of hamas using aerial strikes, sniper, and tank fire. >> meantime in central gaza at the u.n. says the humanitarian crisis is getting worse. warning that over 150,000 people have nowhere to go after the idf told residents, urgently, to evacuate. cnn's not of shear has the latest. >> reporter: the humanitarian situation inside of gaza seems to grow more dire by the day. of course, the death toll continues to climb. there's still growing pressure on international aid agencies to get aid into the gaza strip. the amount of aid crossing the border at this current point in time it's simply a drop in the bucket in comparison to what is actually needed. of course, there is also mounting concern around the security situation facing these aid agencies. the u.n.'s own secretary
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general has previously accused israel placing massive obstacles in the way of aid agencies distributing that much needed aid to civilians in gaza. now of course we are seeing more worrying developments. this u.n. agency for palestinian refugees on friday reporting that a u.n. convoy of seven vehicles, which they say were clearly labeled, or reportedly fired up by israeli troops as it made its way from northern gaza into southern gaza on route to -- designated by the israeli military. no one has been injured but the u.n. has reiterated that aid worker should never be a target. the israeli military, for its part, says it is looking into the incident. of course, this has raised concerns over the security situation. an important question, the security guarantees that aid agencies and human agencies alike have repeatedly sought from the israeli military. of course, the need to get aid into gaza is growing more
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desperate by the day. just on friday, we have seen that dramatic video circulating. showing a district cloud clamoring around a trucks. desperate to grab whatever food aid has made into the gaza strip. of course, as we know the u.n. has reported that some 2.2 million people in gaza are now facing an acute hunger crisis with the imminent risk of famine. we are seeing a massive displacement crisis inside gaza. some 150,000 people, according to the u.n., simply have nowhere to go following israel's evacuation orders targeting central gaza. we have seen now, of course, the vast majority of gaza's 2.3 million population now internally displaced, many of them taking shelter around the south. there really are fears that people in the south now could also become a target. we have seen the israeli military expanding its operation, both in the air and on the ground. the israeli military says it is
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targeting hamas. accusing him us of embedding itself amongst civilians. we have seen the targeting of residential areas, and of course airstrikes near hospitals, schools, and aid centers, as well. there are fears that for the millions of palestinians now sheltering in southern gaza, sought to be safe zone, that they will no longer find any place of safety. the u.n., of course, repeatedly calling for humanitarian cease-fire. this is something the israeli government has outrightly rejected. not a bashir, cnn, london. not a, thank you so much for that report. >> still ahead, former president trump removed from the primary ballot in a second state. maine joins colorado barring the former president from appearing on the ballot. the decision is now on hold pending an eventual repeal. >> plus, cnn exclusive reporting on a latch ditch effort to keep trump in office after he lost the 2020 election.
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new audio revealing the plot to get fake elector ballots to d.c. before the vote could be certified by congress. later, harvard facing a deadline over its presidents plagiarism scandal. the university has until today to respond to a series of questions from congress. that and much more, still ahead, on noon central.
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the state of maine have now joined colorado and banning donald trump from the 2024 primary ballot. -- main secretary of state, shenna bellows, announced her decision last night siding with three voters from her state who are also former lawmakers. a bipartisan group. they signed the ballot saying
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trump should be disqualified following his actions on january 6th. >> they say that trump's actions tied to january six fall under the 14th amendment ban on insurrectionists holding office. one of the voters, even scrambly former mayor of portland spoke to us last hour. >> we have now had three judicial bodies, two in colorado, won in maine, who have looked at the evidence. given donald trump his day in court trying to refute that evidence. those three bodies have all said, no, indeed, what we all saw on january six is actually what happened. he is an insurrectionist. to those judicial bodies have determined that the 14th amendment applies to the president. i think our strongest evidence without a doubt is donald trump's actions. cnn's marshall cohen has been covering all of the 14th amendment cases throughout the country here. what happens next? >> appeals. as we have been talking about
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with every one of the cases, nothing is final until his final. the u.s. court of appeal is looming over all of. this mainstay law actually just set up a pre-expedited process for. this donald trump's next stop in this journey would be a trial court in maine. they only have a few weeks to issue their decision. the main supreme court would have to issue its decision if it is appealed, again, by the end of january. january 31st. main votes on super tuesday. that is march 5th. we have to deal with it we have to deal with it soon and there is a process in place in maine to adjudicate this quickly. we have had different outcomes in different states. huge victories for the challengers against trump who filed these cases in maine and in colorado. trump prevailed largely on procedural ground that never reached the questions onon january six in other places like michigan minnesota new hampshire the next day we are all going to be talking about
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is oregon that decision could come soon a decision was filed in front of the oregon supreme court in those justices could weigh in, potentially, as soon as this week. all of it seems destined for the federal supreme court. while we have you, you are part of the cnn team that obtained exclusive audio related to the fake elector scheme. one of the details in the reporting that stands out to me is there was this panic when some on trump's team realize the fake elector ballots were not going to get to d.c. in time. they were talking about getting private jets to bring them to the nation's capital. >> believe it or not. they did not actually get the private jet but they did talk about. it they we have known bits and pieces of the story for a while now. we are getting the most clear and the fullest accounting of what really happened behind the scenes. we are getting it from ten chesebro, the pro trump toy he was in many ways the architect of the fake electors plot. he recently sat down criminal investigators in michigan told his side of the story is part
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of his cooperation. cnn has obtained a recording of that interview. and hundreds of emails he provided to investigators. take a listen to chesebro in his own words describing what trump campaign operatives were doing, how they jumped into action on the eve of january 6th when they realized that those ballots, those fake ballots from michigan and wisconsin were stuck in the mail. >> the general counsel for the trump campaign is freaked down the roman reported that the michigan votes are still in a sorting facility in michigan and they do not look like they would get to pence in time. the general counsel of the campaign was alarmed. was chartering, they didn't end up chartering agenda, they flew commercial. this was a high-level decision to get the michigan and wisconsin votes there. they had to enlist a u.s.
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senator to try to expedite it, to try to get it to pence in time. >> reporter: they did fly it in on january 5th. once those fake ballots went to see, there were a series of handoffs and careers. you get some help from a sitting senator and a sitting member of congress. there was a meet up at the trump hotel. when they eventually got those ballots to the capitol in time and trying to give them to mike pence, he didn't want them. his team did not want to be a part of this attempt to overturn the election. >> that is right. he passed on that. very significant point in the whole process. marshall, thank you for taking us through that. let's dig a little deeper here with a legal expert. nick ackerman is a former assistant, a special watergate prosecutor. >> also a federal prosecutor in the southern district of new york. nick, i'm curious to get your perspective on the 14th amendment. so much of the conversation is centered around section three, which covers insurrection
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broadly. section five explains that congress has the power to enforce the insurrection is banned. we have heard the arguments from some on trump side that said this portion means that whether a decision if trump should be on the primary ballot or not should be made by the state. what do you think that argument? >> i do not think that argument hold water. especially, the provision provides they can remove the disability by two thirds vote from each house of congress. that is all it says. other than that this is just a regular qualification for an individual to run for president of the united states, just like being 35 years old, having to have been born in the united states, having lived and resided in the united states for at least 14 years. it is really no different than that. in this situation there is a
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circumstance where congress could remove that disability by the two thirds votes. >> it says there, and it said earlier in the third section, that congress can buy a two thirds vote basically not enforce this. this section five party says congress shall have the power to enforce. congress will also have the power not tune forces with section three says. why do section five make it a confusing here? congress out the power to enforce. now what we are seeing is secretaries of state, state courts, also using the power to enforce. why is that okay, in your view of how you read the constitution here? >> i think that, ultimately, the only arbiter here, really, is the united states supreme court. they are the ones that have to enforce this. otherwise you are getting yourself into it situation with
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50 jurisdictions, 50 states, who will come at this in different ways. the bottom line is, anytime you have a qualification to be president, whether the person is 35 or whether or not they were born in the u.s., this is something that has to be decided, ultimately, by the u.s. supreme court. or you are going to get 50 different decisions. you are going to get some states that can't make decisions because they have technicalities in their laws that did not permit them to make those decisions. >> another one of the arguments that we have heard from folks in trump circle is whether he committed insurrection should not be defined by a lone secretary of state or even by a judge but rather through the judicial process. he has not been convicted. he hasn't even been charged with insurrection, right? what do you make of the case that he wasn't a party to what happened on january 6th? >> well, he was a party to what happened on january 6th. everybody knows that. everyone has seen.
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the evidence is out there. the fact of the matter is that there is no requirement for the 14th amendment to be convicted of a crime. there is no requirement for the 14th amendment that this necessarily be decided in some judicial proceeding. the fact of the matter is just like if you are 35 years old and you are not really 35 altobelli somebody's gonna have to make the decision for all 50 states that, in fact, you are or you are not 35. or you are or are not an insurrectionist. alternately that decision is gonna fall with the u.s. supreme court. there is no other body that can do this in a uniformed way that will apply to all 50 states. >> nick ackerman, it is a really fascinating legal conversation. we appreciate you being part of it. >> thank you. >> coming up, harvard is under growing pressure under plagiarism allegations swirling
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around its president, claudine gay. facing a deadline today from congress on how they handled the allegations. we will be right back.
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today's deadline day for harvard university. they're governing board must respond to house lawmakers demand for wide ranging documents linked to the plagiarism candle that involves university president, claudine gay. >> harvard has chivas here in response to how the school handle the plagiarism allegations. cnn's matt egan has been following the story quite closely. matt, has harvard handed over the documentation requested? >> as far as this moment, no.
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harvard has not responded yet. of course, we are heading into a holiday weekend. harvard is closed, congress is on recess. it is possible that we do not learn i get to see harvard's response just yet. this is not a small ask from the house committee on educational workforce. they are asking for what could amount to a mountain of documents including documents on the communication of harvard's initial plagiarism of these allegations against claudine gay. the independent review that was a launch, the public response the media inquiries. any non public guidelines on how they review such allegations. a list of any disciplinary action since january 2019 against faculty incidents related to plagiarism. that is clearly a lot. all this comes after harvard announced last week that president claudine gay plans to issue corrections to her 1987 dissertation due to what the university described as inadequate citations. harvard has called this matter
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regrettable. but they did not think it amounts to research misconduct, something that would be punishable event. experts at cnn were divided on whether claudine gay should be punished or how she should be punished following this. none of them outright called for her to be fired. they did know that it is actually quite rare for academics to be fired or students to be expelled over matters of plagiarism. a harvard alumni, matt, and facebook executive, warned that the university's brand has never been weaker. who does this exact blame for this? >> you're talking about sam lesson, a venture capitalist that i interviewed. he did not hold back here. he called these plagiarism allegations against clodine gay, very embarrassing. arguing that the top board in harvard did not do their homework before hiring claudine gay. let me read what sam lesson
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said to me. he said, i believe in harvard, i love harvard, but the universities clearly in a weak spot. lesson is hoping to fix how rib eye getting elected to the university's board of overseers. he's scrambling to get enough signatures to get on to the ballot. to make his case at harvard needed to be fixed, he pointed to a drop in early applications at harvard. those applications fell by 17% to four-year lows. that is early admission applications. we should note that the cutoff date for early admission to harvard was november 1st. that was before claudine gay testified to congress, before these allegations really emerged. but it is also after some of these antisemitism issues on campus. clearly it has been a tumultuous time at harvard. the harvard brand that is taken nearly 400 years to build has only taken a hit over the last few months. >> it really has. matt, thank you for that report. water up to the top of
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telephone poles as powerful storms lead to damaging waves. up to 40 feet high across the coast of california. we will take a look at those next.
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[bleep] [bleep] oh no! [bleep] >> like a scene from a disaster movie! a nice day by the water turning into chaos for beachgoers in southern california on thursday. a rogue wave tossing onlookers in the 50 yard. sending nearly eight people to the hospital. it is all due to powerful pacific storms causing massive 20 plus waves along the west coast. >> it's so bad the two random beach goers had to jump in here to help rescue, yes, a lifeguard. officials now closing all beaches in ventura county through new years eve. let's go to cnn -- [inaudible] >> jumping in to help the lifeguard. that's really something. how long of these monster waves
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going to last? >> it has been incredible. we are looking at this lasting through the day on saturday. things starting to ease up and get a little better going into sunday. some of these images have been incredible. some of these massive waves of the weather service is calling this event exceptional. something that we haven't seen in many years. the recurrence, and we have seen, are extreme, they are dangerous, they' warning people to stay out of the water! here is the culprit. a massive storm in the pacific swirling towards the west coast. it is picking up winds of the ocean. that is what is picking up these waves. you can see that here. look at these waves! the wind, rather, over the ocean. that is what is picking up the waves. you can see them dying down going into sunday. that is when things will start to improve. what's happening is you have strong winds pushing the ocean around. that is creating small waves. you also have an ocean current, as well. some of these waves could start to collide and clash and then you get the rogue wave with winds up being two times the size of everyone around. it they could be very unpredictable. that is what happened
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yesterday. you can see the wave heights again up to 20 feet for most of the california coast. dying down going into sunday. this is what is prompting the warnings. the high surf warnings for these waves up to 25 feet from santa barbara down to san diego. you can see 20 feet waves possible around san francisco. that could also cause the inland flooding. you also have high tide happening on saturday. the highest tide of the month. adding insult to injury, getting you some of that inland flooding. here's a look at that storm. bringing some heavy rain to california today. it doesn't really make it too far past the rockies. it starts to die down. you might have some snow in the great lakes going into new years but, overall, we had this big dry area of high pressure that sits over most of the u.s.. by the time we get to new years, here is your new year's evening forecast. if you are headed out for the holiday, temperatures in the 40s up in new york. if you are headed to the ball drop, you will have wind chills in the 30s. pretty chilly as we ring in the
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new year. >> pretty chilly, have got to be prepared. lisa, thank you so much for taking us through. that now to some of the other headlines we're watching this hour, ohio governor mike dewine vetoing a bill banning gender affirming bills for minors. he said that signing the bill would be saying that the state knows whether it is medically better for a child and for parents. this bill sought to prohibit treatment for trans and non-barry ngaire use including -- ohio lawmakers passed house bill 68 just before the holiday break. the veto came just after 20 states path against gender-affirming care for minors. a historic milestone. laureate cosmetics heiress is now the first woman worth 100 billion dollars. francois bin fort myers was already the richest woman in the world. bloomberg's billionaire index reports her fortune crossed the 100 billion dollar mark thanks
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to arise and l'oréal stop that hit a record rise on thursday. l'oréal, the world's largest cosmetics company, owns many brands from land comb, maybelline, and others. >> also, a stunning nighttime lift off from nasa's kennedy space center. space axes falcon heavy rocket returning to orbit now with a secret u.s. military space plane on board. although, it is not clear where the x-37b is going to go, the military says the uncrewed craft will carry a cutting edge research. this launch comes after china sent its own secret spacecraft into orbit. the space race is yet again on! still to come, blockbusters, record tours, strikes, and some heartbreak as well. a wild year in the entertainment. world we w will look a at the bg stories s of 2 2023 when w we ce back!
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even with hollywood on hiatus for much of this year because of strikes, strikes by actors and writers, there were plenty of big in a mystery to talk about. >> cnn's stephanie elam breaks down the top ten of 2023. >> reporter: barbie takes over
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the box office. britney and prince harry spill their own tea. hollywood goes on strike. behind the scenes and in front of the camera it was a wild year from start to finish. here is a look at the top entertainment stories of the year. >> i didn't see it coming, no one saw coming. >> reporter: lisa vanderpump responding to news that cast actors thompson of all in the tall of eight caroline affair unbeknownst a fan favorite, ariana maddox. >> reporter: the betrayal sent viewers spiraling as maddox received an apology from the pair. ratings from the show reportedly doubled as the drama played out.
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critics and fans largely agreed it was a knockout finish to their exception. number eight belongs to the avengers, jeremy who made a remarkable recovery after he was crushed by his runaway snowplow outside his home in nevada. just three months later, he was back on his show for home renovation. next, ed sheeran's battle. did the pop star copy marvin a good? the family filed a lawsuit
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against sheeran saying thinks his thinking outloud wrongfully used melodies from the classic. a jury found the grammy winner independently created his orange is and did not infringe on any copyrights. number six a serious health scare for james foxx. he was hospitalized in hasn't publicly disclosed why. rumors ran rampant about his condition for months until july when he resurfaced on social media. >> i went to hell and back. my road to recovery had some potholes as well. >> he found himself in legal troubles as well. a sexual assault and and incident from 2015. he denies the claims. number five on our list, the stars tell all. prince harry did did it. so did brittany. they led the long line of
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celebrities who published a memoir in 2023. >> writing this book has been a cathartic experience for me. >> reporter: prince harry's memoirs details his highly publicized split from the royals and britney spears writes about rocky relationships, court-ordered conservativeship and free brittany movement saying, finally i'm war life. number four, barbie kicked off a summer of pink fever. she revived a cultural phenomenon, broke box office records, and unlocked a women-powered boost to the economy. >> how does that sound? >> it was the highest grossing concert tour of all time according to poll star. beyonce sold out concert arenas with her highly anticipated renaissance tour. and pink got the party started with her summer carnival tour.
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coming in at number three, hollywood goes on strike. two two of the industry's biggest labor unions and sag atra went on strike. >> you have to wake up and smell the coffee! ss dragged on for months before deals were reached and ratified -- negotiations were dragged on for months before deals were reached and ratified. number two, the loss of a b beloved friend. >> matthew perry died. >> they believe he drowned in his home in los angeles. he was just 54 years old. >> and when i dancing -- dance i look like this. >> reporter: matthew perry's humor often hit his personal pavin addiction. in his 2022 memoir, he said his career skyrocketed on screen. he said we're more than just
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cast mates. we are a family. and number one on our list belongs to who else? taylor swift. >> welcome to the acoustic setting. >> reporter: she put on a buzzy head-turning concert tour for the ages. her al thed to the top of the charts. debuted a new relationship with nfl player travis kelce and named "time" magazine person of the year. 2023 was taylor swift's biggest year yet. >> two of our top ten news makers barbie and hbo succession shared the same parent company as cnn. there's big things to come from other favorites on our list. the drama returns to van derpump rules will in january, and britney spears says volume two of her memoir will be out next year. in los angeles. >> plenty to look to in 2024.
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