incredible courage. >> that was the reality of that day. it was unequivocal. it was demonstrable. it is now political. think that's an exaggeration? remember those cruz comments we literally just played for you? this was ted cruz the very next night. >> you called this a terror attack when by no definition was it a terror attack. that's a lie. you told that lie on purpose and i'm wondering why you did. >> well, tucker, thank you for having me on. >> of course. >> when you aired your episode last night i sent you a text shortly thereafter and said, listen, i'd like to go on because the way i phrased things yesterday it was sloppy and it was frankly dumb. >> the key point, they know better. they all know better. >> phil, thanks for showing that tape. it's important. >> everybody, have a great weekend, thanks for having out this week. >> thank you for having me. >> "cnn news central" starts right now.

♪ 2024 campaign firsts. president biden kicks off the year with a major speech designed to frame the election around pir rils to democracy, and with just ten days to go before iowa right here on cnn nikki haley and ron desantis seem to decide they have to run against donald trump. >> will it be too late is the request he? all right. a swift and immediate response, new details on the investigation into the perry iowa high school sh shooting that left a sixth grader dead and five other people wounded. the december jobs report just in and it is a good one. very. job gains beat expectations again. 25 straight months with unemployment below 4%. kate is away, i'm john berman with sara sidner. this is "cnn news central."

the breaking news, the jobs numbers just in and this is the economy that just keeps on giving. 216,000 jobs added to the u.s. economy in december, beating expectations by a fair amount. the unemployment rate unchanged from the previous month, very, very low at 3.7%. numbers that continue to be just plain strong, maybe a little too strong for the stock market which we will get to, but let's start with the good numbers here, cnn's rahel solomon to break it all down. >> john, it's the economy that keeps on giving and giving and giving. it has been giving now for 36 months of positive job growth with this newest report, you're absolutely right. let's go through the numbers. 216,000 as you said that is stronger than expectations, expectations for perspective were closer to 160,000 for the month of december. unemployment sticking at 3.7%, guys, we have been in this range

of really low unemployment of about 4% or below 4% for, john, as you said, about two years now. if you look at where we saw job growth over the last month and the month of december, a part of this was a continuation of what we have been seeing, we continue to see government add jobs to the tune of about 52,000 jobs, health care adding 38,000 jobs, and construction adding 17,000 jobs. when we look at the prior months, guys, and look at the revisions we actually saw two revisions lower. so for the month of november, that number was actually revised lower by 26,000 jobs, the month of october was revised lower by 45,000 jobs. so let's put this all in perspective. this is, as you said, john, a strong jobs report, this is a robust jobs report, perhaps a little bit warmer than some would expect, that's part of the reason why you saw futures fall after this report was released and the reason why is because it's pretty much inevitable at this point the fed has indicated that rate cuts are coming in 2024 and so the question becomes

when? when are they coming? what meeting do we start to see rate cuts? and a report like this that is stronger than expected, suggests that they may be coming later in the year, perhaps later spring, perhaps early summer, so some patience might be required here. the hope of course was that if we saw a cooler labor market, not cold, but something a little bit softer, then maybe those rate cuts would come a bit earlier in the year. but this is not that. this is a strong report. >> and i took a quick look at it, digested as much as i could, i seemed to see that the wage numbers were pretty good also, that people's wages were up over 4% year to year? >> yeah, so wages on a monthly basis were at 0.4% and i will pull up on an annual basis they were up 4.1%. this is one of those things, john, that sort of has two sides to it. so this is good news for american workers, obviously you want to see your paychecks go up, you want to see that nice boost there and, by the way, wages have started to outpace inflation so that's good news. the other side of this, however,

is that the fed watches this to sort of ensure we are not seeing a wage price spiral, essentially that higher wages aren't fueling inflation. that's not what we have seen just yet but it is something that they continue to watch. as you said, certainly good news for american workers that their pay continues to move on up. >> all right. rahel solomon, thank you so much for this. thank you also for helping me prepare for my interview with janet yellen next hour, rahel sent me questions overnight for that. as always, thank you. >> joining me now financial times associate editor and global business columnist ronna forar. thank you for being here in-person. this is nice. >> exactly. >> we just heard this report, better than expected. do you think this is going -- a trend that's going to continue? >> so i think looking for trends in 2024 is going to be really hard. >> fraught. >> yes, if i have one word for this year it's volatility. right? i was saying that i thought jay powell the fed chair got a

little ahead of its skis saying we're going to get three rate cuts, the market has really rallied. there is a lot going on in the economy right now and in the world. you know, you've still got two hot wars, you've got big changes afoot in labor markets, you have technology like ai coming on board. so it's really, really tough to predict. what's interesting to me is main street and wall street don't want the same thing, right? >> it drives me nuts. i have to tell you, it literally drives me crazy because we all say, okay, everything is going great, but there are a lot of americans that aren't in wall street. >> 100%. my whole first book was about this. the bottom line is most people get most of their money from a paycheck. look, this is a good report, this shows us we have a strong economy, bidenomics i think is actually working, whether folks are going to buy that at the election, at the ballot box, i don't know. this is a good thing, this says, look, we have inflation that is

reasonably under control, yes, you have wage growth but that's a good thing. i'm not worried about markets correcting. i have a 401(k), i look at that at it, i worry, but at the end of the day basically 85% of stocks are owned by the top 10% of americans so this is a good jobs report. let's be happy. let's start the year on an optimistic note. >> we can celebrate that. and the biden administration can celebrate that as well which they are doing. what areas are you seeing the most growth in? >> yea, so it's interesting to me and we just heard you saw a lot in government, you saw a lot in construction, which actually says to me some of that fiscal stimulus we saw, that build back money is flowing through the economy. you haven't seen a real manufacturing jobs boom which goes to the fact that technology can do a lot of those jobs now. you did see hospitality and leisure go up. we had a stronger holiday season than many of us thought we would have. we got record spending numbers, they were back to pre-pandemic numbers in terms of what people

were shelling out for friends and family for presents. i think some of that is reflected in those numbers. december, again, tends to be a very unusual month. so i would not make too many predictions from this. three is a trend, talk to me again in march and we will see where we are. >> and we will talk to you again in march. >> and many times before i assume. >> one more thing, we've heard about the rate cuts, we've heard that that was predicted by the fed. when i say inflation, where are we right now? and what do those -- you see those really being a thing because a lot of people trying to buy homes are watching those really closely. >> oh, man, the housing market is where the rubber meets the road on all of this. one of the reasons that house prices are still so high is we have had all that easy money, all those low rates for months, many like me have locked in low rates, now you get them climbing up in the last 18 months or so and there is this weird arbitrage where i would love to move in a smaller house, my second child is leaving for

college next year. >> oh, are you going to be an empty nester at this point? >> don't say that. i don't want to talk about that. >> john is over here crying, too. >> the point being that, okay, yeah, i could move into a smaller house but then i would have to take a mortgage more like 7% instead of the 2.875% that i have now. there is a lot going on in housing and a lot of americans want more stability there, hopefully the second half of the year we will see it. >> i like that we can celebrate good news at the start of the show. we will see you back in march. >> absolutely. >> as john just mentioned, we will talk more about this in a live interview he is going to be talking to treasury secretary janet yellen so we might make some news -- actually, john will make some news guaranteed next hour. 2020 deja vu, today both president biden and donald trump are making their cases for a second stint in the white house. in just a few hours president biden is expected to deliver a speech kicking off his 2024 campaign by calling donald trump a threat to democracy.

meanwhile, the former president is heading to iowa where his gop opponents have decided it is finally time to come for him, but we're just days away before the iowa caucuses, ten to be exact. so will that stick? cnn's jeff zeleny is in cumming, iowa, and it looks like it's pretty cold out there, but iowans are hearty folks and i'm sure they will be caucusing like never before. >> reporter: sara, good morning. the candidates are hitting the campaign trail this morning, ron desantis will be here behind me in a little bit of time, donald trump making his first visit of the year to iowa today and he of course was at the center of many attacks last night in our back to back town halls with nikki haley and ron desantis. they were sharpening their arguments to iowa voters that donald trump may not be the best nominee for the party, may not be the best president for the country, hitting hard on that electability message and picking apart some of his record.

>> donald trump is not willing to show up on the debate stage. has he come to communities and answered questions? has he gone to all 99 counties? heck, has he even gone to nine counties? we need a change agent in washington. we need somebody that is going to go in there, actually unwind the bureaucracy which trump promised to do and didn't do. we need a president that's going to stop the border invasion by building a wall which trump promised to do but didn't do. >> chaos follows him and we all know that's true. chaos follows him. we can't have a country in disarray and a world on fire and go through four more years of chaos. we won't survive it. everybody wants to talk about the economy they had under trump, but at what cost? at what cost? $8 trillion in four years. in a couple years we will be paying more money in interest payments than we are on our defense budget. do you know who notices that? russia, china and iran. >> reporter: so clearly the substance of much of the

discussion last night at the town halls was about donald trump. about his electability, about what he did in office. the question is can these rivals whittle away enough of his support. he's been leading in every poll for the last year. he has a commanding lead. but polls don't vote, people do, and that voting starts here, sara in ten days. so we will see if any minds were changed but the trump campaign from their point of view they are saying that complacency among their own supporters is one of their biggest worries. if he looks like he's so far ahead in the polls will they actually turn out and vote? that's why he is coming back to iowa to have a couple events today and through the weekend. so this race finally feels like it's a pretty joined. one thing not discussed much last night was january 6 or the insurrection. of course, president biden will be making that argument and that is a reminder that the general election also not too far away, sara. >> yeah, all of what you're saying, very interesting, very

true. we will wait to see what happens in the caucuses in the next ten days and also wait to see what biden says because january 6 the anniversary is tomorrow. thank you so much, jeff zeleny, for being out there and doing all that work. i know you have plenty more to do. >> you know the caucuses are close if you can't see jeff zeleny's ears. winter is here. a big day for president biden's reelection campaign, the speech near valley forge in pennsylvania designed to frame the election around the threat that president biden says donald trump poses to democracy. this is how the deputy campaign manager explained it to "cnn news central." >> donald trump is telling us every day who he's going to be if he's reelected president, a dictator on day one, ripping health caraway from millions of people. these are threats to democracy and we feel that the american people deserve to hear these things from us and it's a moral responsibility of this campaign to paint that picture for the american people. >> that is what we expect to hear today at valley forge. valley forge is where george

washington led the colonial forces through a harsh winter as they fought the tyranny of the british in the revolution. one man who knows that is the author of "washington farewell" and senior political analyst john avalon. joining us also former rnc communications director, republican strategist and revolutionary war veteran doug heye. >> not quite that old yet. 1812 maybe. >> president biden, john, speaks later today at 3:15. this speech with the campaign is really leaning into is how they want to frame this year. why is this important to them? why this message? >> first of all, i think the iconography of valley forge is significant. we go through moments in our history where it feels like democracy's back is against the wall, feels like an existential struggle and we get through them. i think that perspective is the thing we have least of in our politics right now. i think the other thing it reminds us is that politics is history in the presence tense. the stakes in this election are

democracy, not just donald trump saying it. look at the number of at least two dozen former donald trump advisers from the white house warning that he should not be reelected because of threats to democracy. it's not a partisan issue. i think the trick is for president biden to thread that needle, to put it in historical perspective, to not simply demonize trump supporters, but try to create the broadest possible coalition beyond partisanship to defend democracy and have that be the clarion call. people criticized him in the mid trm elections, exit polls showed that worked. >> i was going to ask you, doug, is this the right message for president biden given the jobs numbers we just saw which are genuinely very good, is he better spending his time talking about threats to democracy or leaning into an economic record? >> well, you can do both. you can walk and chew gum at the same time or at least that should be your goal as a president or a candidate. and, look, i think there's also a challenge for biden here. you talked that this is an economy that keeps on giving. for voters it's an economy that

keeps on taking. when they spend money on a sandwich, go to a restaurant, spend money on anything that costs more than it did three years ago or they don't spend the money because they can't afford the financing on a car or home, that's a problem for voters and biden has to deal with that. the other part of this which he's going to address in valley forge today, to me sounds an awful lot like what we heard nikki haley say last night, comes down to one word, chaos. you can couch it in the terms of democracy, joe biden is making a chaos argument, one that nikki haley i think made effectively last night. here is the reality of political communications and why we haven't seen much change in the primaries yet, saying something at a forum here or there or at a town hall or in a speech here or there, whether you're ron desantis or nikki haley, that doesn't break through. people may be watching a sporting event, they may be streaming something, they may be doing something else. you have to say that message over and over and over again and put resources behind it on television, in digital to make sure voters don't hear it once,

they hear it 10 times, 15 times so it absorbs. having this nine days out from the new hampshire primary may be too little and too late. >> well, look, it's about time i think is the key point. i agree with you it's too late. campaigns are about contrasts, last night ron desantis and nikki haley in different ways drew the clear contrast with donald trump. i was particularly struck by nikki haley's contrast by saying that donald trump loves dictators and he contributed to a massive increase in the national debt, $8 trillion, which leads to a lot of those economic challenges we see today, particularly high interest rates and inflation. those are things democrats need to play off offense on and play offense on the border as well. it's not simply enough to talk about democracy but testimony draes is fundamental, everything is based on that and i think we forget that. >> you guys both talking about the events last night. those town halls this were very good. >> yes, they were. >> they were very well done and the candidates themselves we learned more about them than i think we have and so much we've seen over the last several

months. that said, it was different. both those candidates were talking about donald trump in ways that they really haven't. here is ron desantis talking about the moral difference that he would make in the white house. >> you're not going to be -- have to worry about my conduct. i will conduct myself in a way you can be proud of. i will conduct myself in a way you can tell your kids, that's somebody that you should emulate. >> as doug was saying, john, ten days left now, that was a different message. how much can that different message, how much of a difference can it make in the next few days? >> it can make a difference because there are a lot of iowa voters who are undecided who are looking -- if they are looking for an alternative for donald trump are they going to go with desantis or nikki haley? some want to find someone who meets their policy goals but doesn't bring the destructive baggage. that was an argument aimed at evangelicals. you need a president people can aspire to emulate. it's hard to do that with donald

trump. that's part of the bargain that's been made. i think that argument -- you could argue it's too little too late but campaigns are about contrast, it's about damn time. >> doug, i've covered a lot of losing campaigns. >> i worked on a lot of losing campaigns. >> almost every losing campaign the candidates seems to actually find the right message the second-to-last day. largely because it's a bull wart thing, but is this something that nikki haley and ron desantis should have been framing this all along? >> i think the chaos argument whether you're ron desantis or nikki haley is one you could have made from the first indictment on and you could have said, listen, maybe donald trump is treated fairly or unfairly here, but he's going to be distracted and he can't campaign and focus on joe biden because he's surrounded by chaos wherever he goes and republicans need a candidate who can do that and, by the way, i'm that candidate. the other thing that nikki haley did last night, she reminded us of what grace and courage she showed. she showed that grace under pressure that ernest hemingway called courage when she brought

disparate parts of south carolina together to bring down the confederate monuments flag. that's leadership. that's the nikki haley that caught not just americans' attention but the world's attention, more of that i think early on would have been better for haley as well. look, new hampshire is i think more in play or at least more interesting to look at than iowa. iowa it seems the cake is baked here. so this is an opportunity still for nikki haley, but we can't hear this message once or twice in speeches. she has to use her significant resources, $24 million raised over the last month to make sure that voters hear this over and over again. >> all right. john avalon, doug heye, great discussion. thank you very much. we're going to have a chance to see how much nikki haley and ron desantis continue this message, we will have that chance right here on cnn, the cnn republican presidential debate, haley and ron desantis on the same stage this time, next week, it's at drake university in des moines. 9:00 p.m. eastern time next wednesday. all right. new details this morning about the deadly shooting at an iowa

high school. what the principal did to save lives there and how he's doing now after undergoing surgery because he was shot. plus, the supreme court back in session next hour for the first time this year and the fate of the 2024 election could be on their docket. we will see. and cnn sits down with gypsy rose blanchard now out of jail after she admitted to helping her boyfriend kill her abusive mother. she reveals what she would tell her mom today.

believed to be from the 17-year-old shooter shows him posing in a school bathroom before he opened fire. we're also learning more about the victims who include perry high school's principal who was hurt, dan marburger's daughter says he tried to distract and stop the shooter by talking to him. veronica miracle is in perry, iowa, with the latest for us. veronica? >> reporter: john, this community is just in mourning over the sixth grader who was killed, also the other people who were injured. five other people were injured,

four students and one staff member, all of the injured are expected to survive, but the staff member, the principal of perry high school identified by his daughter on facebook as dan marburger, had to go into surgery. he is in stable condition. his daughter also saying in that post that her father tried to help save lives saying, quote, he tried to approach and talk dylan, the shooter, down and distract him long enough for some students to get out, as many of you know dad, he is a gentle giant, an amazing dad and an amazing person. this is a very small community, john, the entire school district has only about 1,800 students so everyone knows everybody. last night at a vigil cnn spoke to a woman who says she knows the boy who was killed. take a listen. >> a friend of ours, like my second kids, his friends, had heard that he was missing and he lives in our neighborhood so i went to ask and heard from the

family themselves. and he really is just the sweetest boy. the one you want your kids to be friends with. >> reporter: so heartbreaking. now what's front and center for investigators is a motive. they're trying to figure out why exactly this happened. they're looking at social media posts from before, that the shooter posted before the shooting, as well as around the time of the shooting on tiktok posting from inside a bathroom inside the school with the caption "now we wait." and we're also learning from two students who spoke with abc news that bullying may have been a factor in this shooting saying that they believed he was bullied since elementary school. take a listen. >> he got tired of the bullying. he got tired of the harassment. >> we tried to be there when he needed us, but clearly we weren't there for him enough. >> reporter: the 17-year-old shooter died from a self-inflicted gunshot injury. john?

>> that's a lot. that is a lot for kids on their first day back from school after christmas and we will stay with them for the rest of their lives. veronica miracle for us in perry, keep us posted. in just a bit the supreme court is meeting behind closed doors, the question on a lot of people's minds, certainly on the campaign and donald trump's mind will they take up donald trump's appeal cementing his name on state presidential ballots. overnight two more states facing calls to strike his name. also ahead, a new congressional report details millions of dollars spent at trump properties, why chinese entities all while he was president. we will speak to the ranking member on that committee coming upup next.

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president again. he's asking the justices to overturn the colorado supreme court ruling, kicking him off the state's primary ballot. he was also removed from the primary ballot in maine, although that one is pending, and in the last 24 hours voters in two more states, illinois and massachusetts, filed similar cases claiming trump should be disqualified under the 14th amendment's insurrection clause. cnn's zachary cohen is with us now from d.c. there is a very tight timing on this, clock is ticking, colorado expected to certify their primary ballot today. do we think the justices are going to jump on this fast? >> well, today is certainly the first day that the supreme court could say whether or not they're going to take up this case, but that remains to be seen if they will or if they'll continue to deliberate over this matter because it is a complicated one and the stakes couldn't be higher. there's been calls for urgency from both sides, trump's team saying they want the supreme court to take this up and do so

quickly as have the challengers trying to remove him from the ballot in colorado and maine and other states. look, trump's lawyer has been out publicly trying to project confidence about the supreme court, their chances with the supreme court if the court does take up this case. listen to what alina habba said yes when asked about trump's chances in this case. >> i think it should be a slam dunk in the supreme court. i have faith in them. you know, people like kavanaugh who the president fought for, who the president fought for to get into place those people will step up not because they're pro-trump but because they're pro law. >> it's notable that habba is name checking one of three trump appointed justices, kavanaugh, gorsuch and coney barrett are the only two. they will be dealing with unprecedented constitutional questions and it's anybody's guess who that would shake out.

as you mentioned, too, in the meantime two more states are facing calls to remove trump from the ballot. they're going to have to weigh that at the state level because until the supreme court does weigh in, this is a live issue across the country and we could see even more challenges pop up in the meantime if the supreme court does not come out today or in the near future and say they're taking this case up. >> it's really interesting because we know what they did with jack smith who requested the justices to make a decision on donald trump and they declined to do so. we will see what happens in this case because this really involves voters and voters' rights as well. thank you zachary cohen. >> with us now is democratic congressman jamie raskin of maryland the ranking mem on the house oversight committee which release add report on foreign money going to trump businesses while trump was president. first, since you were a constitutional law professor, let me ask you about this case that the supreme court might take up. what specific question do you want the court to address in

terms of states and the ability to invoke the 14th amendment to keep trump off the ballot, and do you trust these nine justices to do so? >> well, the text of the constitution is unambiguous, it's just perfectly clear, if you swore an oath to uphold and defend the constitution and you violate that oath by engaging in insurrection or rebellion you are never able to hold federal or state office again. the purposes behind it are clear which is to prevent people who have proven themselves from being untrustworthy in office from getting back into a position where they could threaten the constitutional order again. i guess my major question is given the comprehensiveness and the airtight logic of the colorado decision, why would there be any reason to depart from the clear text of the constitution and from the original purposes? and i would pose that specifically to the so-called textualists and originalists on the court. >> congressman, as i said, the

democrats on the oversight committee released a report yesterday which documented how trump businesses took in more than $7 million from entities connected to foreign countries while he was president. you issued that report, like i say, there was documentation to prove it. what is congress now going to do with it? what are the republicans who run the committee doing with this new information? >> yes, it's 150-page report with 750 footnotes and as far as i know nobody has questioned a single fact that's in there. it's based on a seven-year investigation that began with my late beloved colleague aisle gentleman cummings who originally blew the whistle about this when donald trump entered office and said he would not divest himself from more than 500 businesses and would not establish a rule that he wouldn't take money from foreign governments. so the white house was open for business and we've been able now to document with the receipts $7.8 million that came in from

20 countries, the leading country being communist china and after that the royal crown prince of saudi arabia, mow hand bin salman and other unsavory regimes that are part of it. it's a two-year period and it's just four of trump's businesses out of more than 500 and it's just 20 countries out of 195 in the world. so a lot of people have expressed surprise that he took only $7.8 million but we're trying to show people that it was just a snapshot because the republicans on the oversight committee have done everything in their power to sandbag our investigation and to shut it down. when chairman comer came in at the beginning of last year he told trump's lawyers to tell mazars the accounting company basically to stop complying with the court order. so given all of this what's going to happen now?

well, you know, if donald trump had any shame he would return the $7.8 million to the u.s. treasury, that's money he is not allowed to accept without coming to congress first, and we would get together on a bipartisan basis as we've been urging the republicans to do to establish very strict rules about how public officials like trump who are taking money from foreign governments have to immediately report it to congress and then give congress the opportunity to say whether or not they can keep it. that's what the constitution says. i cite in the report abraham lincoln who got two elephant tusks he liked very much from the king of siam and congress said, no, you can't keep them, turn them over to the department of the interior and he promptly did that. compare that to donald trump who has been pocketing millions of dollars from foreign governments and then says it's okay because he didn't take his presidential salary. that's all he's allowed to take.

the reason that the constitution fixes the president's salary is so that he will be loyal and faithful only to the american people, not to saudi monarchs and chinese government bureaucrats. >> so eric trump didn't seem impressed with the report. he said, what a joke. all foreign government profits for stays at our hotels and other properties while my father was in office were voluntarily donated to the u.s. treasury. your response to eric. >> yes, i love that excuse because he's saying, trust us, we will go through all the numbers and they put in, i think, half a million dollars which kind of gives the game away. they know they're taking millions of dollars in unlawful, unconstitutional foreign government payments but he says, trust us, we will do our own accounting, we are not going to show it to you, but we will give some money back. the constitution doesn't say that you can't keep profits from foreign governments, the constitution says you can't keep any payments at all without going to congress to have it accepted. and we are talking about an

unbroken line of presidents accepting that and always coming to congress to say we received some trinkets, we've received a statue, we've received a painting, whatever it was, and then it's up to congress to decide what to do with it. only donald trump has arrogated to himself the decision of whether or not he can keep the money and then he will dane to give us back what he calls the profits. it's an outrage. it's absurd. he has to give the entire $7.8 million back to the american people. >> congressman jamie raskin, we appreciate your time. thank you for being with us. >> you bet. coming up, now out of prison after she pleaded guilty to helping her boyfriend kill her own mother who was abusive. gypsy rose blanchard sits down with cnn. what she says she would say to her mother today if she were still alive.

new in morning, brought to a breaking point, jips gee rose blanchard is speaking out after serving eight years in prison after pleading guilty to helping kill her abusive mother. blanchard was the victim of munchausen symptom by proxy, a mental health for a caregiver that injuries a child to get attention. elizabeth joins us now. what did she have to say? >> john, i sat down with jips gee rose blanchard yesterday and she says that when she went to prison it was the best day of her life. not something i had ever heard. she said it was her first taste of freedom. i also asked her what life would be like if her mother was still here today. this is what she told me. >> i think that if my mother were still here, i would still be under this abusive, medical

abuse, that i was going through. i don't think that there would have been an end in sight for me. i honestly think one of two things would have happened, either she would have eventually got caught, but too late to save me, or i would have been killed from all of the medical malpractices, the surgeries, the medications. >> now, with all of that, gypsy rose does still say she does regret her role in orchestrating the murder of her mother. she says that she forgives her and she says that with all of the trauma care that she has received now she has a greater understanding of that. >> i would tell her that i'm sorry and i forgive her. i'm coming to a place of forgiveness.

it's going to take time. i would say that i understand. like i see her. i see her in the way that she was not an evil woman, she was not monster, she was just a sick woman. she would have needed a lot of mental health care. i see her for who she is now or who she was. >> that's what gypsy said when i asked her what she would tell her mother if she were still here today. this is really an unbelievable story and since gypsy has been released from prison, just about a week ago, she has over 6 million instagram followers. she has really become infamous and now famous for this story. when i asked her what she would like to do with this new found platform, she says she wants to lean into her advocacy. she knows that there are other victims of childhood abuse out there and she does not want them to end up making the same

mistake that she did. john? >> all right. what a fascinating discussion. elizabeth wag meister, thank you so much. just ahead, one of the police officers who fought back the job on january 6 at the u.s. capitol is now running for congress. we will tell you who and hear about his platform. plus, heavy snow, treacherous ice, the trouble spots this weekend as more than 25 million people are -- john is looking real close -- >> i'm one of them. i'm one of the 25 million. >> -- face winter storm alerts.

all right. in a few hours, secretary of state antony blinken is going stop in istanbul and visiting georgia and qatar and the uae and greece and discuss humanitarian aid for gaza, and talk about the next transition to war with israel against hamas. and the ntsb is investigating a subway collision in new york city that injured 24 people.

it collided with another train that was out of service on 196th street, and multiple subway lines had to be suspended. they say that the brakes on the out of service train had been vandalized. harry dunn is going to be running for congress. he was an officer on january 6th attack on the capitol. he testified before congress and said i defended capital against insurrectionists, and i am going to run for office to make sure that maga extremists never do it again. he is running for the 3rd district. and now, john berman, from the mid-atlantic to the northeast is going to be under a weather alert with snow and the unfortunate part, the threat of

ice. derek van dam, everyone is voting against me, i want snow in new york, and can you make it happen? >> we will do our best, but it is not looking promising, but you don't have to go far out oside of the city, because you only have to go about 10 miles to get your snow. there is about 25 million americans as sara said, and any way you slice it, this storm is going to be very impactful over the eastern seaboard from saturday to sunday, and the storm is developing and starting to actually pull in the moisture from the gulf of mexico and located across the central interior and a wet weekend from the southeast, and we will see the rain/snow mix from d.c. and philadelphia and before transitioning to all rain and more of the same in new york city, and maybe a few wet snowflakes for you and up to an inch of heavy wet snow before transitioning to rain at the end of it, and then on the backside of it, the corridor of boston, you will have it come to an end monday morning, but it is an

interior new england snowfall snowstorm. but i want you have to see this as well, the weather prediction center has a marginal risk of flash flooding including the major east coast cities, philadelphia, new york and d.c. and picking up on the signal of rain as well. this is a broad perspective of where the most rain or snow will fall, and particularly boston, 3 to 6 inches for you, and worcester, up to a foot, and long island, generally a inch of that slushy wet snow, and d.c. to baltimore, you will be mainly rain event, and with the exception of a few snowflakes and rain to the coastline and you can't forget about the ice for north carolina to west virginia as well. very impactful storm. >> you have given us the bad news, but our producer randy and her dog are happy to know that there is not ging to be much snow in new york this weekend. >> my snowblower is leaking gas from the carburetor. >> you have a carburetor on a

snowblower? >> i am not sure, but it is leaking gas from something, which is bad before a snowstorm. >> and president biden is set to give a symbolic speech beforore the e anniveversary, andnd dona trump is h headed to iowa. to duckduckgo on all your devie

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