to a sign-stealing scandal which led to a coach being fired, and those wolverines are undefeated, 14-0, and they figured out how to overcome distraction and adversity. listen to some of the players. >> all the adversity we have been through this year, you know, with coach harbaugh and all the allegations and stuff like that, i feel like it's brought us closer together and made us a better team. >> it brought us closer. it made us more of a team, more trusting of a brotherhood. so i think it was, you know, i hate we went through it, but it's good we went through it allowing us to be here in this moment, and, you know, nothing can affect us. it's always us against everybody. >> it'll be michigan against that undefeated washington team. 21-game win streak. the longest in the nation. heisman finalist michael penix throwing to arguably the greaters receiving trio in the nation. it is a michigan favorite by 4 1/2, even 5 1/2 points by some. the fans are pouring in from all

over. it was a sea of blue, phil mattingly, and some wild fan named dr. sanjay gupta was raving about how he was going to be tailgating all day long here in the parking lot before today's game. >> sanjay is no longer somebody i will speak to in public from here on out. i'm kidding. i can't wait to watch, coy. we cant wait for your reporting throughout the day. thanks, man. >> thank you. cnn "this morning" continues right now. new images show the force of the failure on board alaska airlines flight 1282. >> they are suspending use of their boeing 727 max 9 jets. >> the missing part of the aircraft has been found. >> we're going to go pick that up and make sure that we begin analyzing it. >> all eyes are now on iowa. >> the final chance for the candidates to prove themselves in the first of the nation caucus state. >> i like being underestimated.

>> they're trying to make sure that the margin is defensible enough going into new hampshire. >> this is not like 2016. he's not putting in that kind of time. it's because he doesn't need to. >> they ought to release the j6 hostages. they've suffered enough. >> the danger of donald trump is that he does not believe in rules and laws and norms and institutions. >> a key member of trump's inner circle, dan scavino revealed his inactions. >> he's the trump whisperer, and if he's cooperating with the feds, donald trump is in real trouble. good monday morning, everyone. it's the top of the hour. i'm phil mattingly with poppy harlow in new york. investigators trying to figure out why a gaping hole blew open on an alaska airlines flight from portland. the ntsb says a crucial piece of the 737 max jet, the door plug has been found in somebody's backyard. >> take look at these new images

from investigators. what you are seeing there is seat cushions and headrests ripped off by the explosive force of the depressurization in the cabin. the warning light previously went off on the same plane multiple times including the day before the horrifying flight. alaska airlines has restricted them from flying that plane on big flights, like, long ones to hawaii for example, over the ocean in case they have to quickly land. listen to this passenger to describe the moment the door plug blew out. >> you heard a big, loud bang to the left rear, like, in row 20, and a whooshing sound and all the oxygen masks deployed. you could see later there was a two-window section that blew up, and a boy and his mother were sitting in the row. his shirt was sucked off and went out of the plane. his mother was holding onto him. >> joining us now is the woman in charge of this investigation,

jennifer hominy. she was able to inspect the plane, actually walk through it. so she has a lot of information. thank you very much for being with us. let's begin with what you saw that we don't know more about when you walked through that plane. what do people have to know this morning? >> yeah. thank you very much for having me, poppy. and it was described to us by the flight crew that it was a very violent, explosive event when it occurred, and you can see that from inside the aircraft. now we were able to inspect the airframe itself from the exterior and found absolutely no structural damage to the airplane so that's a great thing. inside there was a lot of damage to noncritical components. everything from paneling to trim

to insulation coming out of the paneling. some separation of the plastic inside of the windows, although the seal and the glass windows themselves were still intact, and then of course, you have the torquing of some of the seats in those rows. so it must have been truly terrifying. >> it's the size of a refrigerator, the hole in the plane while you're in the air going 400 miles an hour. it's technically called the door plug, but that's the door. i mean, the door blew off for intents and purposes. i wonder, now that they have found it, what will that tell you about if this could happen on other planes? >> yeah, and just to clarify, this is not an operational door inside the aircraft. >> right. >> passengers would only see the paneling outside. you would see what looks like a door, the plug in the aircraft

itself, but from the time we got here, we began documenting the scene and looking at how the airframe is situated right now, looking at everything from witness marks and paint transfer on different components to try to begin analyzing what occurred. our focus right now is on this aircraft to determine what happened, how it happened, and to prevent it from happening again, and once we determine that, we can see if there's a greater concern that we want to issue an urgent safety recommendation for. >> so talking about some potential warnings that this could happen, december 7th and then again on january 3rd and january 4th, the depressurization warning light on this plane came on, and then it was inspected and reset, and

then this plane was back in the air, but with conditions, right? it couldn't do long-haul flights over the ocean like to hawaii in case it had to land. after those three warnings, should this plane have ever been in the air? >> that's a great question because that is what we are looking at with alaska right now, and with boeing right now, that alert, that illuminated those three times certainly is very disconcerting to our investigators and we want to look at that, but it may have absolutely nothing to do with what occurred in the cabin of the aircraft on that -- during that event. it did illuminate the flight crew. they had switched to a different mode because there was a backup system, and once they landed, it was tested, inspected, reset, and put back in service, but as you said, alaska air took some

precautions to put some restrictions on where that could fly, and that's something we're -- our systems crew is looking into. >> but if there's a precaution on where a plane can fly, should that plane be flying anywhere? >> and that's what we're looking at. alaska air tells us the reason that was put in place is to that they could get to an airport if the light illuminated and could get repairs again, but it is something that is a concern for us, so we're going to look, but again, i would just caution it may have absolutely nothing to do with what occurred on that day. >> no, fair, and i'm glad you point that out again. i was flying home last night with our two little kids right behind, you know, the same area as this plane, a different plane, but still, it's all i could think about. so my question this morning is, is it safe for anyone to fly on these boeing max jets right now?

>> it's -- our aviation system is the safest in the world. we are the gold standard for safety in our air space, but we need to maintain that, and when an event occurs like this, it is up to us to take a close look at what happened to make sure we maintain safety in the air. for this one, i will mention we're disappointed that the cockpit voice recorder was overwritten. we can learn a lot from that cockpit voice recorder. we have urged the faa to extend the cockpit voice recorder time from 2 hours to 25 hours because we want to hear communications, noise, alerts on the flight deck which may help us prevent future tragedies. >> just so people understand, that is what sort of automatically happens on some of

these planes that aren't the newest. is it every two hours it sort of resets and you want that to be extended much longer so you can always hear in a situation just like this? just finally with boeing, there have been a number of issues with the boeing max line. both of those crashes were caused in part because of the m-cast system which they've changed, but is there an issue at boeing regarding safety? >> yeah. we'll have to see that through the course of our investigation. in the past when we've investigated, say malfunction on a plane just about a year ago, we found that we needed to go broader and look at repairs for all of the fleet. we'll -- we may look at the manufacturer, the design of this aircraft, but we go where the evidence takes us. >> we really appreciate all of this information this morning,

jennifer. thanks to your team and come back as you have more information. >> thank you, poppy. >> we're just one week from the iowa caucuses. what the candidates are doing to make their final pitch to voters. three years since the january 6th capitol attack, new reporting shedding a lot of light on donald trump's mindset that day. what several former top trump aides told federal investigators.

. the countdown is on. if you don't believe me, there's literally a wall behind me that's showing it to you. just a week until the iowa caucuses. ramaswamy crisscrossing the events. nikki haley will be in des moines, and as caucus day gets close, they are hammering home the importance of voter turnout as that will make or break the race. eva mckend is live from des moines. when it comes to how this all works, what are candidates looking for?

>> reporter: phil, voters here that we speak to, they're still making up their minds. they take the fact that iowa goes first very seriously. they're still vetting these candidates. they know that if a candidate breaks through and does well here, they'll have significant momentum to move onto the other states. a >> all eyes are now on iowa. >> reporter: haley, desantis, ramaswamy, and trump all converged on iowa over the weekend. >> now's the time to be active. now's the time where you can make a difference. >> reporter: with just one week remaining before the iowa caucus, the gop candidates are pouring millions of dollars into the first voting state, flooding the air waves in an attempt to challenge former president trump's considerable lead in the polls. >> you know, backstage, they say to me, don't tell them they're going to vote for you. that sounds so demeaning. i said, i got them $28 billion

for their farmers. of course, they're going to vote for me. >> reporter: desantis and haley could not avoid speaking about the front-runner. >> i think if we're relitigating the past elections, if it's about, you know, donald trump or his legal issues or criminal trials or all that stuff, i think it's going to be a really nasty election. i don't think that puts republicans in a good position to win. >> he was really good at breaking things. he just wasn't good at fixing them. >> reporter: trump is looking for a decisive victory in the h hawkeye state after losing the iowa caucus back in 2016. however, iowans are split on who they'll support. >> i think it's highly likely that trump will come out first. >> i'll be voting for desantis. >> i would like to see vivek ramaswamy be in the race as long as he can. >> trump held the rally in iowa on the third anniversary of the january 6th capitol attack. during which he gave his support for those jailed for their actions that day. >> they ought to release the j6

hostages. they've suffered enough. >> reporter: and raised eyebrows when he made this comment about the civil war. >> they could have been negotiated, and they wouldn't have had that problem, but it was a hell of a time. >> reporter: this week, the former president will be toggling back and forth from the campaign trail to the courtroom with a jam-packed schedule. on tuesday, he will be in a d.c. courtroom where opening arguments will be held on his immunity claim. on wednesday, he will be back in iowa for a town hall event, and on thursday, he will be in a new york city courtroom where the closing arguments in the civil fraud case against him, his sons, and the trump organization will begin. and phil and poppy, a little bit of a wrinkle. it is expected to snow in the coming hours, and that's already

leading to the cancellation of some events and it comes at a time when candidates can ill-afford it. they are trying to use this final week to shake every hand, meet every voter. phil, poppy? >> eva mckend, live for us in des moines. thank you. donald trump trying to rewrite the history of january 6th, but there is new reporting from abc news and it rm details the extent of trump's failure to respond or try to calm the violence at the capitol for hours, even when his own vice president was in harm's way, and this is not coming from trump critics. this is according to people under oath in his inner circle. [ chanting "hang mike pence" ] >> do you remember those chants, hang mike pence? well, according to sources familiar with jack smith's investigation, quote, former trump aide nick luna told federal investigate tors that w trump was told pence had to be

rushed to a secure location, shed, quote, so what? he also said that luna told investigators he was, quote, capable of allowing harm to come to one of his closest allies at the time. >> his aides and lawyers spent 20 minutes trying to persuade trump to release a statement calming the crowd. it was no use, so they chose to leave him alone, and that's when trump himself tweeted that pence, quote, didn't have the courage to do what should have been done. sources say former deputy chief of staff, dan scavino and others rushed back into the dining room, quote, to explain to trump that an attack on pence was not what we needed, and trump responded, but it's true. >> when scavino talked to trump that night, he said, quote, this is all your legacy here. sp there's smoke coming out of the capitol. he said he could take the right steps moving forward. he calls this, quote, second-hand hearsay. with us stephanie grisham.

she was chief of staff to melania trump. direct quotes from people under oath. does it track with what you experienced? >> good morning, guys. it absolutely tracks with everything that i experienced and heard and have been talking about, you know, ever since january 6th. dan scavino especially, he was at trump's side 24/7. if they weren't together, trump was calling him constantly. dan was also really good at giving him some good advice and he would oftentimes, one of the only people trump would listen to. so, you know, i'm very hopeful that dan has been telling the truth and testifying, but i'm also a little skeptical because they were very, very close for a very long time. >> stephanie, the comment that is relayed by nick luna when trump said so what about pence being transported to a secure

location, he said trump was ca capable of bringing harm to his allies. do you think that's true? >> he didn't care about anybody else that day. you know, again, nick luna, that's another great example of somebody who was by the president's side for all the time. he started out as his body man and then moved into the outer oval office. nick's a good guy, and i believe what he said was true and he would be somebody who would cooperate and i'm glad to hear it. >> a huge concern over what happened three years ago, but looking at how the american people feel now about what may happen after the selection is troubling. cbs did polling in the last couple of days and they found that 49%, half the country is expecting violence from the side that loses in future elections. look at those numbers. that is very concerning, and i

wonder if it surprises you. >> sadly it doesn't, you know, we live in a split-screen world right now. people watch either, you know, the fox news of the world or they're watching maybe the msnbcs of the world, and i think that's a problem. i think the vistriol is just something terrible, and i think we should be talking about january 6th. i resign thad day. it was a horrible day for our country, and i think we should be looking forward at what a potential trump presidency would look like. ening -- i think that's important for people to understand. we keep talking about democracy. our way of life is going to be taken away. i don't think people understand by and large what that means and how it could affect them. i think that's something that should be talked about more. >> how would you explain it to them? you were there until that day. >> absolutely. i was there for six years. i started with him early on in 2015, and i was a true believer. i thought this man would come up

and upend the politics of our country and the bureaucracy, and he did those things, but not in the way i envisioned. it's important for people like me or who are like me now who believe in him to understand how another trump presidency will be. so what is democracy? that's the people having the freedom to act and speak freely. i think under trump, you're not going to be able to do that or you are going to be able to do that as long as you're talking just about him in positive ways. i think free press will be something that's really going to go by the wayside. i remember when i was press secretary he wanted me to kick everybody off the white house grounds. that's something that's probably going to happen and we're going to be aligned with countries line china and russia rather than our nato allies, and i think it's important that people are understanding really how he's going to operate. >> stephanie grisham, thank you. the book is "i'll take your questions now: what i saw at the trump white house." exactly one month from

today, the supreme court will review a monumental question. will donald trump be on the ballot in colorado this fall? >> and dhs secretary alejandro mayorkas heading to the southern border as the republicans appear to head forward d with his impeachmhment. morere on that a ahead.

the power goes out and we still have wifi to do our homework. and that's a good thing? great in my book! who are you? no power? no problem.

introducing storm-ready wifi. now you can stay reliably connected through power outages with unlimited cellular data and up to 4 hours of battery back-up to keep you online. only from xfinity. home of the xfinity 10g network. i just hope we get fair

treatment because if we don't, our country's in big, big trouble. does everybody understand what i'm saying? >> well, can former president trump be barred from holding office? this is a question that the supreme court is going to have to address. one month from today, the high court will have to review this unprecedented decision by the state of colorado, their supreme court. it removes trump from the state's ballot citing the 14th amendment insurrection clause. the court argued that trump's actions on january 6th and in the days that followed, quote, constituted overt, voluntary, and direct anticipation in an insurrection. let's turn to our senior analyst e elie hoenig. >> our latin word of the day translates to they're taking the case, and important to know, it takes 4 of the 9 justices to vote to take a case. now we don't know which four or how many or whether there was more than four. we never know that. by the way, people are asking, will justice thomas recuse

himself because his wife, ginni had involvement in the january 6th events? it's up to him. he hasn't done so before, so i don't think he'll do so today. if we look at the order the supreme court gave us friday night saying they're taking the case, it's all about the scheduling. let's take a look at the calendar so we understand how this is going to play out over the next several weeks. january 18th, ten days from today, donald trump's brief is due. he he goes first because he lost below, and colorado's brief is due, and trump gets a chance for one last say, the reply brief, and february 8th, one month from today, we'll have oral argument from the supreme court. >> yeah. >> that will be audio livestream. the court does that. >> people should know -- although we think you should be able to watch it. you can listen to it. >> you can listen to all this in realtime or go back. talk about the arguments you believe will be central on both sides. >> a couple of things to know about the arguments. the supreme court did not tell us what specific issues they'll

be considering. sometimes they do that. they did not do that here. if we look at trump's brief, first of all, this argument that he did not commit insurrection, he claims that. mark my words. the supreme court is not going to rule yes or no insurrection or no. it's not what they do. they're reviewing the constitutional and procedural elements of this. did not count on some grand pronouncement from the court about that. we also i think will see trump argue -- he's argued before it's up to congress how the 14th amendment works, not each individual state, and the argument will be if you look at the 14th amendment, it says congress shall pass law. does that mean congress or congress, but also the states as we saw in colorado, and i think the third argument we're going to see given trump's prior briefing is that the president does not count as a, quote, officer. the 14th amendment does not say president. it says senator, representative, but officer. logically you think that has to be president, but you can lawyer

this to not include president. >> it says president the line above that, and also in this court, many of the justices read things very textually. it may benefit trump here. >> right. >> before you go, what about the calendar? big picture in terms of what other states? >> yeah. >> looking at the map, this is about colorado. >> yeah. >> what the supreme court decides here could affect many other states? >> it almost certainly will, and i think this is part of the reason the supreme court took the case. if we look, there are about eight states right now where those 14th amendment challenges have been rejected. eight states have said, no. we're not disqualifying him. you have 15 or so that have pending appeals that have not been ruled on one way or the other and you have that minority of two, colorado and maine who have for the moment thrown him off. if you are wondering how long until the supreme court rules, they're hearing argument

february 8th. >> less than a month? >> less than a month from now and they will certainly rule before march 5th because voters in maine and elsewhere have to know, is he going to be eligible or not? we'll get a quick decision from the court. >> elie hoenig, extremely helpful. phil? secretary lloyd austin still being treated at walter reed medical center. why the president and the deputy defense secretary were kept in the dark about his hospitalization. a remarkable few days. new details ahead.

later today, homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas is heading to the southern border as a recent surge of migrants is overwhelming already stretched resources. it comes as house republicans are threatening to impeach him. over the past two centuries, only one cabinet secretary has been impeached and it marks a shift for republicans who have been targeting president biden for impeachment. that is still under way. senate republicans believe going after mayorkas may be the easier lift. the border crisis has become an issue. will key district members get on board? we'll talk to congressman michael lawler of new york. he's traveled to the border last week with speaker mike johnson and more than 60 house

republicans. they visited eagle pass, texas where secretary mayorkas is going today. congressman, i appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> thank you for being here. i want to talk broader border and policy issues in a moment, but the idea of impeaching secretary mayorkas, when you look at the threshold for impeachment, high crimes and misdemeanors, is it your sense he's reached that, and can you point to them? >> look. he has an obligation to uphold the constitution of the united states and enforce our laws. he has failed miserably in his obligation to both. our border is as porous as it has ever been since joe biden took office nearly 10 million migrants have crossed our southern border. many of them illegally. secretary mayorkas has testified before congress on numerous occasions, and lied to congress about his actions and the actions of the homeland security administration. when it comes to securing our border. chairman green is working through the process and i'm not going to get ahead of him as to what the charges will be, but i

can tell you this. when i visited the border last week with speaker johnson, it is far worse than eep i thought. this is a catastrophe. you have in eagle pass, a facility that can handle 1,000 migrants at a cliff. they were processing 6,000 just a few days before we arrived. these migrants, 90% of them are released into the united states within 36 hours. >> right. >> and, you know, when they're doing the background checks, if they can't verify somebody's name, they just assume that that is the person, and that is deeply disturbing when you're talking about national security threats and the obligation of the secretary of homeland security to protect the homeland. he has failed in that obligation. >> to that point, i think the question is, he's also serving as one of the administration's point people on the ongoing bipartisan senate negotiations to address a very urgent issue

both parties seem to agree on at this time. how does moving forward with impeachment help actual polls process and what has always been a very complex issue? >> well, look. this has always been a crisis that's been ongoing for many years in large part because of policy decisions of the biden administration. house republicans passed a movement this year. senate democrats did nothing about it for months until house republicans and the speaker said, we're not moving forward on ukraine funding unless you act on the border. and so now the senate is negotiating, but they have to recognize the negotiation will ultimately be between the house and the senate. so yes the senate is negotiating right now. we'll see what they come forward with. house republicans had put our plan forward, but ultimately there's going to have to be a serious, good-faith negotiation. this can't be mealy mouth. it has to be serious reforms to secure our border.

>> to that point, speaker johnson in an interview with our colleague jake tapper seemed to lay out that your bill that you guys passed, very accurate on that is the red line. that's the line in the sand. that doesn't get 60 votes in the u.s. senate. if you want a real negotiation, an intensive negotiation, har-2 can't be the be all end all with the negotiation. >> as we saw with the act, you have to pass something to be able to negotiate, right? we passed limit, save, grow, and speaker mccarthy was able to negotiate on the responsibility act. senate democrats haven't passed anything yet. >> right. you're saying the speaker's just putting out a negotiatiiing position. >> we're in a divided government, right? >> right. >> we're not all going to get everything we want, but we have to be serious about reforming the asylum process. remain in mexico has to be the policy. so there's, you know, parts of hr-2 that absolutely have to be part of any final deal. >> you mentioned that there was a top line spending agreement

that looks a lot like the top line spending agreement that the former speaker of the house negotiated. you feel like that's going to get the job done in terms of preventing a shutdown? >> look. i supported the agreement that speaker mccarthy had negotiated with president biden back in june. i believe obviously as we've seen the deal between speaker johnson and majority leader chuck shumchumer is in keeping h much of that fiscal responsibility act. i do believe it will help us avert a shutdown. i have always said we must cut spending. we cannot default on our previous debts, and we cannot shut down. that has been my parameters from the start, and i will continue to support that. >> i want to ask you because you have taken a different tact than some of your republican colleagues have on january 6th. you tweeted over the weekend, and it was something you said at the time. it was a stain on our nation and undermined the peaceful transfer of power and it should never happen again. the former president, who's now the republican front-runner and

your conference chair are now referring to those that were arrested and charged with january 6th as hostages. take a listen. >> they ought to release the j6 hostages. they've suffered enough. they ought to release them. i call then hostages. some people call them prisoners. i call them hostages. >> i have concerns about the treatment of january 6th hostages. i have concerns -- we have a role in congress of oversight over our treatments of prisoners. >> i'm just -- i'm trying to square kind of your position on this, how you view things and -- hostage is a loaded term and you know what they're doing, and you know they know what they're doing. what do you think about the republican party right now? >> i'll let my colleague speak for herself, but i have said repeatedly, january 6th was wrong. it never should have happened.

those that stormed the capitol and committed acts of violence, breaking into offices including the speaker's office should be held accountable in the same way i believe anybody who stormed a portland federal courthouse or burned down a police station in minneapolis should be held accountable. when you commit acts of political violence, there are consequences for that, and so people should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law when they break the law and that has always been my position regardless of party, and i will maintain that. >> congressman mike lawler, appreciate your time, sir. thank you. >> thank you. well, today president biden will travel to south carolina. he will speak at the historic mother emanuel ame church. one of his supporters in the state is voicing concern over whether his message on threats to democracy is breaking through. and this morning, the u.s. launching its first lunar lander in decades and what it's carrying to the moon sparking a lot of backlash, prompting a

last-minute meeting at the white house. wewe'll tell you why.

♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ welcome back. president biden traveling to charleston, south carolina today to deliver remarks at mother emanuel ame church. this is the historic black church where in 2015, a white gunman opened fire killing nine people. he second-degree he did it to,

quote, agitate race relations. president biden is set to talk about protecting democracy, and this comes after he kicked off his 2024 campaign officially friday with an em passioned speech calling donald trump a dire threat. biden is preparing for a potential rematch with his pred says who are this week will split time between courtrooms and the campaign trail. now biden's trip to south carolina comes ahead of the state's democratic primary on february 3rd. that contest will serve as an early test of his appeal this time around to black voters and you'll remember very well congressman jim clyburn of south carolina, his endorsement was instrumental in biden's victory in 2020. he is now raising concerns about the president's re-election campaign. listen to what he told our jake tapper just yesterday. >> i'm convery concerned, and i have sat down with president bide. my problem is we have not been able to break through that maga wall in order to get to people

exactly what this president has done. >> joining us now is abigail spamberger of virginia. i wonder if you share that concern that has been echoed by now we know from "the washington post" reporting former president obama who directly expressed some of that to joe biden. mitt romney who is no fan of trump says he thinks the democracy pitch is a bust. do you agree with them? >> i think that they are all important and related. i think that what congressman clyburn was talking about, i agree with him completely, that the accomplishments of this president, of his presidency are things that at times are unknown to voters. the most comprehensive investment in our infra infrastructure, in our efforts to be competitive against china and bring in manufacturing of chips and semiconductors home in ensuring that our veterans have the care that they have earned through their service because of the exposures they suffered in

service to our country, you know, as just a small sampling of some of the work that we have done. we have passed through congress and sent to the president's desk, but i don't think it's mutually exclusive. focusing on the economy, focusing on the threats to our rights as women, focusing on what matters most to an individual voter as they sit at their kitchen table is not mutually exclusive from recognizing that donald trump is a threat to our democracy. here is a man who did the unthinkable. he did not concede an election. he did not willingly submit to the peaceful transmission of power and he's made jokes about being a dictator at least for just one day. the threats to our democratic republic are real, and if those threats are ever realized under a future trump presidency, every other discussion about our economy, about our freedoms becomes secondary. at this point in time, we should be talking about everything and anything that is on a voter's

mind. certainly that's what i have done on the campaign trail, and that's what i want to ensure that the biden campaign is doing as well. >> and so it sounds like you share some of the concern that we heard there from congressman clyburn. what about three years now from january 6th? you were in the capitol that day. you are a former cia officer and you tweeted this weekend extensively about it saying, look. i expected to maybe be under attack one day, but never in the people's house. never in the capitol. there is polling that now shows that more republican voters approve of what happened on january 6th now than did in 2021, and fewer strongly disapprove of that. how do you explain that? >> it's a very dangerous rewriting of history. it is a very dangerous rewriting of history, frankly in part because some of those who have the strongest voice with these voters, republican-elected members of congress have walked

away from the truth that they know. in the immediacy after the attack on the capitol, the results of which more than 140 police officers were injured, 5 died in the aftermath. we saw person after person after person blaming the former president, recognizing his culpability, and as time went on, they stopped conveying that message, and they themselves have done some of the whitewashing of this actual historical event that is extraordinarily well documented including their original comments, and so they are not showing leadership, and sadly but not surprisingly, people who listen to them are also shifting with that change in history, with that revision to a very true, factual event. >> a couple of other questions for you first about defense secretary lloyd austin who is facing a lot of criticism this morning for keeping white house

officials, his own deputy, the president in the dark for days about this hospital stay. he remains in the hospital. you sit on the intelligence committee. the war in ukraine continues, but also what may be an expanding conflict in the middle east. do you think it is appropriate how this was handled? >> no. i think it's appropriate and the right step forward that he has taken ownership and said this was a mistake. i think once he's fully returned to the job, a conversation about why this decision was made is one that in an after-action report and understanding is an important conversation to have, but i think every person in the cabinet recognizes that this was not an appropriate step, not an appropriate way to handle what was his hospitalization, and hopefully there will be greater transparency, at least within the administration. >> the defense minister in israel spoke to the "wall street

journal" and he talked about the next phase of their war against hamas, and they talked about different special operations, but he warned it's going to last longer. the reason i bring this up to you is because you joined other democrats in mid-december writing a letter to president biden urging this administration to use every lever it has to make sure that israel changes its strategy and protects more civilian lives. what do you believe needs to happen given that this is changing and it's going to last longer in his words? >> well, i think there's important parts of this discussion. israel was horribly attacked by terrorists in october. the murder of civilians in their home, the sexual assaults, the abuse of civilians in the process of this terrorist attack is unthinkably horrible, right? and must be called exactly what it was, a horrific terrorist attack, and israel as a country has the right to go after those who perpetrated the attack in order to keep their citizens safe into the future.

that is indisputable for me. there are also palestinian civilians on the ground in gaza, and we have seen enormous suffering not just because of shellings of buildings, but because it's been so difficult to get humanitarian aid into the area, and so in a long-term perspective, and i joined with other colleagues who have an intelligence or a military background, and i worked counterterrorism cases pretty much for the entirety of my time with the agency. rim is going after terrorists is about yes, going after the fighters and also going after the ideology. >> right. >> we have seen israel taking an aggressive stance to go after those who perpetrated the attack, but we have to see more from them strategically about how they're going after the ideology, and part of going after the ideology is ensuring that civilians and people who are vulnerable, vulnerable and victims of a terrorist

organization amidst them, that those individuals are not suffering unduly, that they have access to food and water and basic humanitarian necessities, and that was the crux of the conversation about how those two pieces of the strategy can be pursued. >> we appreciate your time. thank you for being with us this morning, congresswoman spanberger. >> thank you. up ahead, more on the new developments overnight. what we're learning about the moment a chunk of a passenger plane ripped off mid-flight. and nothing says love quite like a big rose huge stainless steel insulated tumble per. i it's a collaboration between target and stanley. target says they won't be restocked, but fans can expect more collaborations with stanley throughout the year. our national nightmare is over. we'll be back in a moment.