lot would have to happen. by the way, it is not just the case in washington d.c., because team trump also wants the sweeping criminal conspiracy case against him, and many others, in georgia to be thrown out. why? what is he arguing? you guessed it. presidential immunity. in aside, that the immunity argument might not fly a federal appeals court today denied teams trump's request to re-hear their presidential immunity argument in the e. jean carroll case. what would happen really? if our president had total immunity, could he or she one day rob a bank? commit treason? or, say, steal an election? michelle obama says the rules are different for some. >> the bars are different for people in life. that i have learned. other people can, and other

people can be indicted a bunch of times and still run for office. a black man can't. you just learn to be good, and in the and you benefit from that extra resilience. >> coates: i want to get right into all this with attorney jeffrey toobin, he is the author of the nine inside the secret world of the supreme court. as well as home grown timothy mcvay, and the rise of homegrown extremism. jeffrey i'm glad you're here tonight. first of all take a step back with me. many people are wondering if tomorrow is the day that the appellate court will decide that trump committed an insurrection. that is not tomorrow is, tomorrow is about whether immunity exists for a president. what do you say? >> correct. what is important to remember about tomorrow, is it is a question of does donald trump have to stand trial? trump is arguing that the whole case should be thrown out,

before it is even tried. which is unusual in a criminal case. because under his understanding of presidential immunity, he has the right to not even be tried. in most criminal appeals, you have to wait until you are convicted. but in a very narrow set of circumstances, you can argue that you don't even have to go to trial. that is what he is arguing. it is a tough case for him i think. >> coates: it's a really uphill battle for a lot of reasons. i remember the argument if i could shoot someone on fifth avenue, i could shoot someone and knowing. kara because i live in pennsylvania avenue, and that's all i need. of course the court will look through the lens of the, wild wild west argument. many people, jeffrey wrote a book on the supreme court, they all have this assumption it will all be decided according to who appointed these judges. that is not the case? >> it's not always the case,

but it's usually a pretty good guide, especially in the politically charged case. this is just the d.c. court of appeals, this could a might well go to the united states supreme court, but tomorrow's hearing is just before three judge panel. for those keeping score at home it is two democratic appointees, and one republican appointee that are hearing this case. which i think lens some optimism to jack smith's team, because of that makeup. but, it is also true that this argument, even for donald trump, is a pretty extraordinary stretch. remember when we can cover the mueller investigation? in that, there was much discussion about the fact that there was a justice department policy, not a law, but a policy, that a sitting president president should not be indicted. implicit in that policy is, of course he could be indicted later for something he did.

that is always been the assumption. remember gerald ford pardoned richard nixon in 1974 for his crimes in watergate. if he could not be prosecuted, there would be no need for a pardon. >> coates: as a former president, conduct while in office. >> exactly, that was exactly what it was for. because everyone assumed, without the pardon, he could be prosecuted. once you are out of office you are an ordinary citizen, like everyone else. >> coates: interestingly enough, people think that this will be decided based on conservative viewpoints, or liberal viewpoints. this is kind of like a reading of a constitution, and thinking about the text, which is not their first of all. but just the legal comments sense of it. i don't see this being decided on whether one is reportedly a liberal justice, or liberal judge, or conservative wing of the judges. this is really the question. can a president enjoy absolute

immunity for things in office, do you see it that way? >> the point you made about the text is very important. conservatives say that they believe the constitution should be interpreted only based on what is in the text. for example, there is nothing in the constitution about abortion, so there is no constitutional right to abortion say conservatives. here, there is nothing in the constitution that says the president enjoys immunity. in fact, everything in the constitution suggests that after four years, and going back to george washington, you are returning to civilian life where you have the same rights as everyone else. including the right, and the opportunity if you wanted to call it that, to be charged by a crime. >> coates: opportunity is not the word i would use, but you know. but then, does the arguments

surrounding over who is a strict -- versus those who are thinking it is a living document. it is more susceptible to being more interpretations, it is not so untimely and anachronistic. does that all go away? that is my point. when you don't have the a language in the constitution itself, and it becomes a matter of what was intended here? that somebody who has taken an oath, or somebody who is the former president, or a president of the united states, they can really do whatever they want to be the head of the government? >> this is why i think jack smith, the prosecutors, are in such good shape in this case. because either interpretation, the strict textualist approach, because titushky size nothing about presidential immunity from crimes. and the living constitution approach, which says and implies that the constitution

is not above the law. both approaches suggest that trump could face trial. even if trump loses in the d.c. circuit however, there is a way that he could win which is the issue of time. because, this issue, this case is now stayed. there is a stay in effect. where the trial date is set for may, but the case is not yet proceeding to trial because of the appeal. what's really interesting in this case, is not just how they rule, but whether they continue to stay. whether the d.c. circuit, or ultimately the supreme court says, okay, we are going to hear this case, but we will let the trial proceed. that issue, in fact, if you are concerned about a trial before the election, the timing issue is almost as important as the merits of the case.

>> coates: ultimately this could go up to the supreme court, they said they will not weigh in on this matter specifically ad, it's why it's in front of the circuit court. it was already proceeding in that fashion. they could get this case after this ruling comes down, whatever it might be, probably sooner than later. the question is, if it goes before the supreme court, and your chief justice roberts, you've seen the numbers in regards to our approval rating, your popularity, the rates that have been stepped on for ethical discussions and beyond, you probably want unanimity here. you want this to be a decisive, not a 63, or something different than that. is there a hope, that if it goes to the supreme court on the issue of absolute immunity for a president, that unanimity might be on the horizon. >> this argument by presidential rob is so bad, it might be a possibility. remember in 1974 when richard

nixon said that i don't have to turn over the tapes to the watergate special prosecutor, the supreme court in august of 1974 unanimously rejected that view. the fact that the supreme court, which was not as politically polarized in those days, but still had a lot of different views on it, the fact that they rolled unanimously against the president made the case irrefutable. it made richard nixon comply, and he did turn over the tapes, and the tapes ultimately sunk his presidency. roberts will certainly try to get unanimity in a case like this, whether he does or not is another different story. >> coates: if wishes were horses, beggars would ride, that's a whole's old-school way of saying -- >> when you look at this court, and it is much more politically

polarized than it has been in many years, probably since the 1930s. they are not unanimous on many controversial cases. >> coates: i will say you mentioned tapes, and of course you're talking next in but i was thinking -- of in georgia. there is a lot by the trump legal team to get rid of that case on the same grounds. if i'm immunized one place them immunized another. does that hold water? obviously we're talking about immunity in a federal court citing, does it translate in the states? >> it depends on what the courts hold. if he is immune from prosecution, he is immune in state court as well. that's why the states in this case are so enormous, because it is not just the january 6th case that's pending in washington. it is also the case in georgia, the r.i.c.o. case there. potentially it is also the new

york prosecution that are scheduled to go to trial in march. >> coates: that's the hush money payment? >> the hush money payment involving stormy daniels. i think it would be a tough argument to make regarding the mar-a-lago documents case, because it seems like almost all the criminal conduct alleged there took place after he was president, in terms of hiding the documents. but, the stakes in this case, the one being argued tomorrow, are bigger than just the january 6th case, certainly the georgia case. >> coates: it is so true you think about just in our conversation, the number of times you have to clarify which case we are talking about when it relates to donald trump. it is mind-boggling to think, we have oftentimes talked about the comparisons with watergate and beyond. i almost feel like watergate was a kitten playing with the yarn ball sometimes, compared to what we see in the full scope of what's ahead here. this supreme court is looking at not just next, and not just

even clinton, but now a whole range of issues. speaking of clinton, i want to make this clear to the audience there's a lot of questions surrounding this. i know you'll be great to clarify this for us. so many people are looking at the issue of civil litigation, and conduct in office, and what that meant tell me why this is distinct. conduct in office, immunity and prosecution compared to that? >> remember, bill clinton was sued by paolo jones for sexual harassment. the supreme court held in that case that, even though he was a sitting president, he could face the civil case. >> coates: i want to go live for a second, we've got the ntsb meeting. >> both of which are aerospace engineers for the ntsb, and really specialist instructions tours including looking at the air flame, the door plug, and

the surrounding structure around the door plug. now one of the ntsb's core values is transparency. we believe that when we have factual information that has been verified, that is our duty to provide it to the public, and to the media. tonight we have a lot of information that we want to share. first, i'm going to provide a summary of the event from the flight data recorder. we are going to talk about what our survival factors group did today, and then i will talk about what our systems group did today. and, then we will have some discussions from -- structures and what the structures group did. from the summary of the flight data recorder, i am going to

read it. at 1706 and 46 seconds pacific standard time the aircraft departed that to eight left portland's international airport. at 1712 and 33 seconds the recorded cabin pressure, dropped from 14.0 9 to 11 point 64 pounds per square inch, when the aircraft was at approximately 14,000, and 830 feet. and 271 knots. the cow been altered to greater than 10,000 warning, activated. at 1712 and 34 seconds the master caution activated. the cabin pressure dropped to

9.08 psi at approximately 14,850 feet, and 271 knots. the master caution deactivated a 1713 and 41 seconds, the aircraft continued to climb and reached a maximum altitude of 16,000, 320 feet and began to descend. the air speed was 276. not at -- a change from 20,000 feet to 10,000 feet. at 1714, and 35 seconds, the master caution activated for three seconds. at 1716, and 56 seconds, the

aircraft began at left turn from 121 degrees. the altitude was approximately 10,120 feet. at 1717, the aircraft descended below 10,000 feet. at 1718 and five seconds, the aircraft altitude was approximately 9050 feet. and the airspeed was 271 knots. the cabin altitude, greater than 10,000 feet warning, deactivated. the cabin pressure was ten point 48 psi. at 1726, and 46 seconds the aircraft landed on runway to eight left at portland international airport. now, the survival factors team interviewed the remaining two flight attendants, one from the

after of the aircraft, and one from forward. their interview, and discussion was consistent with the interviews of the other two flight attendants. they also reported pretty significant crew communications, challenges during the event. they didn't know what was occurring. they were certainly concerned, they stated about the four unaccompanied minors. and their focus was on them. and, the three love children at the time. the two flight attendants in the after our board seats, in the after galley had difficulty seeing what was going on in the cabin, and in the aisle. it is very difficult from that location to see anything. there is a, very very small

mirror provided to look down the aisle. it is not sufficient. so, it was very difficult for them to see. the flight attendant mentioned that the communications was so poor that they felt like they really needed guidance and information and it was pretty terrifying as an event. now, with that said, i know that a lot of media is reaching out to the flight attendants. the interviews have been very emotional. this was a really significant event. with zero information at the time. there's a lot of trauma that they're working through, and it's going to be a long process, it was terrifying. i would ask the ntsb, is asking,

please give them that time. they are working with care to care counselors and they just need that time to heal and they have asked us to mention that in this media briefing, and i would really ask that you respect their wishes and give them that time to really begin to process what they experienced. >> now, the cockpit door, we found, today that the cockpit door is designed to open during rapid decompression. it is designed to open during rapid decompression's. however no one among the fly crew knew that. they were not informed. so, boeing is going to make some changes to the manual which then hopefully will translate into procedures and information for the flight attendants and for the crew in

the cockpit. as far as the oxygen mask that we weren't sure if it deployed, or if it was stuck it did deploy. we interviewed the passengers in that row and they had put the oxygen mask backup into the panel, which was the other thing we suspected. but it did deploy, and was working. >> now on to systems, our systems group focused on the cabin pressure, control system on the aircraft. this is the auto pressurization light that illuminated, that we have gotten a lot of questions on. this system is designed as a triple redundant system, with one primary, cap and pressure controller. it's a computer system.

there is a secondary cabin pressure controller, that's a secondary computer system. and then, there is a manual controller. so there are -- it's a triple redundant system, that means that if the primary controller fails, the flight crew switches to the secondary controller. if that feels they can switch to manual. any one of the systems is fully capable of maintaining safe cabin pressurization. in fact, if anyone of the either computer systems are inoperative, they allow the operator to continue flying the aircraft. we have verified from the maintenance logs, that the redundant systems operated as designs on december 7th january 3rd and january 4th going into

the altar mode not needing to go to the manual. and at this time, we have no indications whatsoever that this correlation in any way to the expulsion of the door plug and the rapid decompression. now, the ntsb is very thorough so we will go back and look at the flight data reporter. and we will get that on capitol pressure and we're also going to domino the memory on the cabin pressure controllers. we may have to pull the, units to see why was acting up. but at, boeing we have asked boeing for a specialist to arrive, tomorrow to work through this so we can just go through the rest of. it but, again no indication of any correlation between the two.

with respect to the e tops restriction, alaska airlines reported to the ntsb, that their internal policy is to restrict aircraft with multiple maintenance write-ups for certain aircraft systems, from flying eta flights for a period of time. that's not required by the regulation, that is an extra step that alaska airlines put in place. now, he tops stands for extended twin and chen operation. what that means is that he tops allowed and permits twin engine air plans to operate over or out that contains a point further than three hours flying time, three hours for this aircraft. from the nearest airport. and the restriction was put in place for alaska, as an extra

step to ensure safety and to allow them to conduct maintenance. as for the structures, i want to start by thanking bob, who all of the media successfully outed. but, bob apparently was a star with all his students today. i really want to thank the community overall. i can't thank you enough. every time the ntsb asked for help, every single time the community pulls through. and i just want to say thank you for everyone, i especially want to say thank you to bob. i'm sure he was a hit at school today, so that's very exciting and we did go out at 7 am this morning, to retrieve the door plug. we are still looking for the

bottom hinge fitting and the spring, it's pretty large spring and the fitting is a green circular piece but the whole in it. it's not key to the investigation, this is not key to us determining anything or ruling out anything, we are just fine. but it's always nice to have some of the pieces if you find, it and if anyone, does please call ntsb. please email us at witness at ntsb.gov. or contact local law enforcement. again, i want to thank local law enforcement, and the fbi for helping us. also, look throughout the early stages throughout our investigation. i will mention, that community members -- >> we just heard from the ntsb, as they've given a press conference on what we have learned so far. they have detailed a lot of information about what we now know, from the flight data, reporter also the systems

operations involving what system they would've had in place, to inform them of reduced cap and pressure, it was a redundancy that said one felt the other, also would kick. and a lot of flight attendants had been interviewed. they're very emotional right now. the families about the traumatic what they call, a terrifying and significant event. they are obviously trying to work through what they saw if they had very little and poor group communications at that time. unable to see down the aisle at the aircraft. they were very focused. we're learning now on the four, four unaccompanied minors who are on this aircraft. including also there were three children that were very concerned with and about the cockpit door we also learned today that was in fact designed, was in fact designed to open during a rapid decompression in the actual aircraft, no one of the fly crew was aware of that, that was added to the trump in the terrifying experience of

what they saw during that event. the oxygen did deploy, it was, in, fact functioning. , and we are learning more about this redundant system. and i want to turn to our panel right now to walk through a lot of this very important information. cnn analyst and former secretary general for the department of -- mary schiavo, also denys teenager, he's the spokesperson for allied pilots. as flying for american airlines, for 30 years. also, here is miles o'brien, cnn's aerospace analyst. thank you all for being here. we are learning a lot about what they just walk through. and, beginning with you here, mary. the ntsb chair walking through the play-by-play of how o'donnell folded. going through the actual flight data reporter. talking about the both cabin pressure, and the not speed. the altitude. the master caution warnings. all that they talked about. what stood up to you? >> well i think what stood out to me is the consistency of the flight, there was 271, not for

about 310 miles an hour. i got to approximately 1500 feet, one something started happening. you know, that altitude is very significant. because they are every regulated -- -- the plane is supposed to be able to correct that altitude. -- but since the pilots, and everyone else on board to drive they will simply just continue to interview them for the additional information that would've been on the cut, for the voice recorder had not been recorded over. >> mary at that point were you thinking that you've learned something, additional other than an in-person or otherwise interview? what with that cockpit reporter had been able to suggest, or

tell you that you could have an interview setting? we >> will sometimes, their additional sounds, captain on the voice recorder, it doesn't recall. and, sometimes there are sounds and things that are occurring, turning on, and of. and, sometimes it's just a warning signals that's on their. but, in this, case like i said, they often, in an accident scenario, they don't have everyone still alive. unable to tell them what happened. so they're fortunate here for them. so you're just looking for sound in the cockpit that may not be otherwise captured in the investigation and this is also been a sore point for some time in the united states. and national transportation, and safety board. because they do require that to be 25 hours, on your plane models. and, then in the united states. it's two hours. >> i have to tell, you it's a little surprised, every time i hear this data.

i mean one would think if a, door or a part of a plane blows off for whatever reason, one would override the ultimate to our remaining windows, you would want to have that data recorded and preserved, but it's apparently not. they're done, is the chair said that the flight attendants and crew did not know what to expect in that situation. that they'll be working on informing personnel going forward. why wouldn't they know? as part of their overall training and being on these aircraft that they're so familiar with? and how long could it take to get him up to speed? >> well, they know what to do the rapid depressurization rehearse frequently, so what they have to get into the cockpit right now. when you have, rapid depressurization and i guarantee the pilots, these are memory items as well. , and we're reaching down for our mask.

a very large, mask squeezes over the face, and it's something we, practice and another level of disorientation for the execution of getting that airplane, to stop. climbing, because now we are executing -- and the violence that occurred, one that airplane, rapid de-escalation. it rips off with some passengers. and, these pilots focus on the main procedure, and has to get the airplane descending down, down to that 10,000 foot market, minimum. so that when the passengers came off the oxygen, that oxygen is not infinite. and they would be able to survive. so, this was an actual great story about trained professionals. flight attendants, not knowing what's, going on there sitting in the back. i understand. that this is a thing that happens in seconds. and the people who needed to react in seconds did. and those pilots did.

and, they'll be able to get all the details from them. so, getting locked up into the new recording, and all the checklist that had to be done, i can guarantee, nothing is done with the melissa intent of hiding anything. so, these are heroes today and right now we have a lot of questions from boeing. how in the heck did this happen. >> you're absolutely right, miles, i was thinking about. it and we heard from the ntsb chair, that they were looking for a bottom hinch fitting, which they think is not key to the investigation, we just want to have all the pieces. so thank goodness, no one was hurt. thank god that nobody was tragically injured or killed on this aircraft. but this could've been extraordinarily bad. and i'm wondering after you have listened to what you just heard what is your confidence level in terms of what could've caused this to happen? and, can it be quickly addressed. people are going to get ready to fly all over this country, every single hour at the day. and they are not worried. when they're on the type of

aircraft or otherwise. >> yeah, it's understandable. but we're worried. laura this one's going to be solved by looking at metal. you know you can talk about the cockpit voice recorder. the flight data recorder, and the, lights that illuminated in the pressurized system. but, ultimately they're going to be looking at those bolts in the spring hinges. and they're going to be looking for what they call witness marks, which is to say damaged evidence. the see if a bolt or not shut off or if there are missing pieces or if there's any evidence that and that was screwed on and a little wire wasn't put through the bold itself to ensure it doesn't loosen. basically the way this door is rigged up, if those bolts are not in, and locked in then it's kind of spring loaded almost like a mouse trap to be expelled through the aircraft. and if it gets jostled around. and, so i think that the pieces are probably there, or maybe they aren't there.

that's the key. what might be missing is very important. and, as we have heard, earlier today, from the associated press united has found some loose bolts in similar aircrafts. so, it appears in washington, when these few pieces were assembled, some bolts may not have been tighten properly. or at least, that seems to where we're headed for this. but it's still a little bit early to draw that conclusion. and i do think will know, though and i don't think at the end of the day people should feel particularly unsafe about this aircraft. there's no fundamental design flaw here. it appears they might have missed a step in the construction of the aircraft. and that's crucial. >> well yes, the devil is certainly in the details. if you talk about trying to find a needle in the haystack, trying to assess whether the hinges, and the bolts on these big aircrafts across the entire fleet have been handled appropriately. married, gavel, miles, brian thank you all for having us on packed all of this. well, president biden was

visiting the site of the 2015 racist massacre in south carolina. to warn about political violence. and, he drew a direct comparison between today and the time of the civil war.

they could not accept the verdict of a war, they had lost. so they say that they embrace what's known as the loss cause. the self serving, lines that the civil war is not about slavery, but some of this country trying to turn a loss into a lie. a lie, which allowed to live, once again will bring terrible damage in this country. and this time, a lie is about

the 2020 election. an election what you, made your voices heard. your powered on. >> president biden, drawing a dull wreck land from slavery, jim crow, to the very divisions of today. seeking to rally black supporters from the south all this african methodist church, mother emmanuel church. the site of a racist mass shooting in 2015. let's talk about it, now with michael earned ices, professor of diaspora studies at vanderbilt university. he is the coauthor of unequal, a story of america. , also here, allen-johnson, professor and practice at harvard law school. he is the coauthor of the january six the graphic novel series. so glad to have both of you here today. it's relevant, pick each of your mind, and your brains this evening. michael, i'll begin with you. president biden returning to the very state that catapulted him, at the top of democratic primary in 2020. and now, nikki haley is calling

an offensive that even gave this speech, a political one at this very location. but, you called this vengeance biden. what do you say? >>, yes well i think that joe biden understands, that it is necessary to link the past and the president. so talk about historical narratives. to speak about the way in which there are parallels between. the attempt to engage the manipulation of facts, and history for the purposes of white supremacy,, then after the civil war and what's going on now. the attempt to rewrite history, to pretend that slavery wasn't central. it is interesting that the former governor of south carolina nikki haley who get an honorable act by removing the confederate flag, but only after the death of those nine people in that church. and later, saying she would've done something differently has been wishy-washy. and flipping from one side to

the other, in regard to her strong and the cleared to resistance, to white supremacy and complicit. and i saw the president was just trying to say, tell the, truth understand history, is rooted in the facts of the case and talk about it in ways the common human beings are understanding. >> but allen, to the, point he was not only talking about this in broad strokes from a 10,000 foot perspective. he also gave a litany that he has got it done for the black community. he talked about low black unemployment. he talked about appointing the first african american insisted on the supreme court. he talked about pursuing other ways to provide student loan reliefs. he has gone from january six, this past week now talking to places like this are particular advantage points. frankly a lot happening between, we do you see this approach, as delivering the results that he wants? >> well, you know, i think it's a start.

because really, you can't bring a powerpoint to a culture war. and that's what we're in. and so i think the strongest part of the speech were when the president talked in terms of, values and democracy and the truth but equal dignity in the idea that we are all created equal, we acknowledge we never fully achieve the value as a nation. and those are strong words. he invoked white supremacy, as a threat to democracy, i wish you unpack that a little for people who are left familiar with the notions, i think the long jury list of accomplishments, they are important. i think they have to be said the polling shows a lot of voters that aren't familiar with what the president has accomplished. but i, think ultimately that's not what's going to win the day. it's going to be the story, the narrative that skimping the values and the roots and the

vision he has based on those values. >> i do wonder if that will translate, talking about the, vision of america. seems very forward thinking. except they live depressant day, for what is america. where will america, be in all his aspects of this. for all the, candidates up and down ballot, how they approach this question. the president's speech didn't go off without a hitch. he was just starting and of course when this happened, listen. >> the chair, that's all right! that's all! right, [crowd chanting] and all, obviously you heard for more. years and also the cease-fire chance but i was really homed in to this in a. moment, and this, you might not have heard specifically what

preceded those cease-fire chance. listen to this. and we really care about -- the go for a cease-fire. a law >> coates: they are going right to this notion where if you care about what's happening if you care about the principles we are talking about today, this is the challenge that president biden is going to have to face michael. even in terms of his own democratic base. in terms of what is happening overseas, and what is happening here at home. how do you resolve that tension if you are biden? >> as my colleague said, you may not be able to bring a point. the >> coates: powerpoint to a culture war, i love that line! i >> was the reality is, joe biden has to play a different song he has to narrate his story in his truth by saying look, first of all permit

people to say what they gotta say, don't try to shut them down. it is difficult and this time of crisis when people have been drawing parallels, that have been long established between african americans struggle here, in this nation, and oppression of other peoples around the world, peoples of color. in this case, specifically palestinian people. >> coates: did you miss the conflation, if you are political soundbites and appeal to the widest audience, you risk the conflation aspect of it. >> well i think when you articulate a set of values, you'll be held accountable for those values, and that is where the rubber hits the road. i think it is also the case that, especially with young black voters, they are looking for transformative change. not just tinkering around the edges. it is important that biden do loan forgiveness, conservatives

and supreme court have stood in his way. but what is his vision for everyone to be able to afford to go to college in the future? it is important that he has reduced the prices of prescription drugs, but what about making health care a human right? voters don't -- voters understand that we are in a political moment, they are not expecting the president to deliver on every aspect of his values, but he has to articulate a broad vision that would eventually achieve those values that if he's able to move forward unencumbered. that i think is one of the things that was missing from his speech, maybe he'll get there we'll see. >> coates: everything has to be more than lip service, for a voter to really turn out and get off the couch. thank you so much, both of you. there is some breaking news, it's a big night for michigan in the college football national championship, we will break it all down for you next.

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home the biggest prize. now i would like to see what people have to say, michigan has that yankees feel to them. the los angeles lakers feel to them. teams just love to hate them, and they did it. all >> coates: they did it all i did it well, decisively tonight. another lead, and b.a. -- came back he had been suspended for white 12 games? >> the ice he came back. it's interesting, he has a podcast. i already know his future will be doing what we are doing, he'll be sitting across from you telling you, why he is so great. [laughter] on his podcast he was very honest today talked about during his suspension, he talked about retiring. the commissioner of the league had to tell him, guess what you are making a rash decision, do not retire there is still so much more for you to do. however, i know tremont very well and i will say this a lot of the issues he was dealing with were self inflicted. you cannot say it is too much, if you're not willing to take the responsibility. too much has given --

you don't get to behave make all this money and behave anyway, and do what you do, without people saying that you are no longer allowed to behave that way. you get a reputation, the narrative was created that he was a bit of a bully, not paying attention to the rules. i disagree with that, i think he is a great person, but sometimes we all need a timeout in this is what this was for him. >> coates: this is our time out because, the show is now over. now >> no! . >> coates: thank you we will be right back in a little, bit to do a little more of the show.

>> coates: we told you earlier this hour, the door plug that

was ripped out of the alaska airlines flight, and landed in someone's backyard. while it was not just the door plug, that was strewn across portland, someone actually got an iphone that appears to have fallen out of the plane. >> i found a phone, sitting on the side of the road that had apparently failed 16,000 feet. it was still pretty clean, no scratches on it, sitting under a bush. and, it did not have a screen lock on it, so i opened it up and there was an air fly note with the travel confirmation, and baggage claim for alaska 12 82. >> coates: it's not the most wild thing you've ever heard? are you kidding me? i drop my from the desk and it shatters. an ntsb tells cnn that they have since gotten the phone and turned it over to alaska airlines. thank you for watching, our coverage continues.