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♪ hello again and welcome. it's time to get together with some smart people to break down the week's big stories. today we're asking, with all the polls showing donald trump with a huge lead going into monday's iowa caucuses, what happens if he doesn't live up to those expectations? then, speaker mike johnson under pressure for trying to make a deal with democrats. how long will he last? and the stanley cup praise that has nothing to do with hockey. our panel gives its yay or nay or the newest merch mania. the gang is all here and ready to go, so sit back, relax and let's talk about it. ♪ up first, after months of campaigning, the iowa gop caucuses are finally here.

monday night, in frigid conditions, iowans will gather at locations across the state, from church basements to school cafeterias to discuss the republican candidates and vote. and the results could dramatically reshape or solidify the landscape of the presidential race. in the final hours, three big questions for the three leading candidates. >> we're going to take our country back. >> first, donald trump -- >> look, we got to get out and vote. >> the record margin in a contested gop caucus is 12 points. but with the lead of more than 30 points in the latest iowa polls, how big does trump's win have to be? >> we're delivering on the promise to do all 99 -- >> then there's ron desantis. >> we're in it for the long haul with us. >> he put all his chips on iowa, barn storming the state with more than 100 events across all 99 counties. but if he doesn't win or come close, will he drop out? >> if you will caucus for me, i

will forever be grateful. >> and then there is nikki haley -- >> i wish donald trump was up here on this stage. he's the one that i'm running against. >> what does she need to do in iowa to help boost the momentum she already has in new hampshire? >> here with me, podcaster, kara swisher, rahim salon and national review contributing editor. "new york times" journalist and podcast host, lulu garcia navarro and author and conservative pollster, kristen anderson. welcome back, everyone. good to be with you. so rihan, what will constitute a win for donald trump on monday night? how big does he have to score over the other candidates, especially haley and desantis, for people to say he won iowa? >> this sounds like a high bar, but i think it has to be comfortably above 50%. the expectations are incredibly high for him.

anything short of that, people will smell blood in the water. >> even if he wins by double digits. >> yeah. i don't think that's going to be enough honestly because i think that if you see some kind of surprise, if you see that there's a surprise, for example, in second place, i think that that could give someone a tail wind. >> lulu, as i said in the package, the record for the biggest win ever in a contested republican caucus in iowa was 12 points. so, is reihan right, does he have to get over 50% which would mean winning by 20 or 30 points? >> i think he does. he's not coming in only as someone who wants to be the nominee, he is coming in as an incumbent. this is someone who was the president of the united states, and so therefore there's a lot of expectations on how well he's going to do. that said, the fact of the matter is that even if it isn't over 50% comfortably, as you said, reihan, i think he still is the man to beat. i think we're just fudging words

a little bit. i mean, ultimately is there a lot of tension here? i'm not so sure. >> then, there is desantis, who is all in on iowa. he has campaigned in all 99 counties. he has a big, strong game there. kristen, what happens if desantis doesn't do well, if he loses by double digits and god forbid from his point of view if he actually finishes behind nikki haley, is he done? >> he does not have much of a path past iowa. he polls in very low numbers in new hampshire. he's kind of nowhere in south carolina, where it's all about trump and all about haley. and the withdrawal from the race of chris christie made it better for haley which makes it worse for desantis. he has to be looking at 2028. he is very young. right now he is still very well liked by a lot of republicans. the problem he faces is those same republicans just like

donald trump a little more. >> but you seem to be saying he's -- it's already over for him. >> i think unless there is something very shocking. hey, it's politics. anything can happen. but unless there's something very shocking, just don't see much of a path for him beyond iowa unless he frankly outright wins. >> what he has to do is actually get out and back donald trump right away. most slavish way possible, which he is good at. so that's what he needs to do. that's what he will do next week when he loses badly, which is he will lose here badly. >> wow. i'll put you down as a definite maybe on him. nikki haley is the challenger, as opposed to desantis, who seems to have some momentum. take a look at this. in the latest cnn poll in new hampshire, which is only eight days after iowa, she's now within single digits of trump, trailing by seven points. and her super pac has been hammering ron desantis. >> in a world of chaos, the last

thing america needs is another dumpster fire. >> support for ron desantis plummeting. >> republican voters are just not that into desantis. >> she also got a boost this week from chris christie, who dropped out of the race and she was seen as the main competition for haley in new hampshire. but he set down this marker. take a look. >> anyone who is unwilling to say that he is unfit to be president of the united states is unfit themselves to be president of the united states. >> kara, should haley get tougher on trump? should she? it doesn't have to be those words, should she in effect say he's unfit to be president? >> no. she can't win if she does that. she has to at least put a nod to him as the beloved party leader in some fashion. i think she's doing it right calling him old. she essentially calls him old

all the time. >> new generation of leadership. >> she's doing the old trump/new trump thing very well. old trump, we all liked him. this new guy is chaos, he's old, a little crazy. i think that's the best way to do it. doing the chris christie, who does it very well, is a mistake. and i don't think she's smoked. i thought when he said that off hot mic, probably whatever, he wanted it heard, i don't think she's smoked at all actually. >> i mean, does she -- are the expectations for her now that she has to beat trump in new hampshire? >> absolutely. and i think she might. in fact, i think she will. >> if she were to finish seven points behind like the polls, is that good enough. >> if she beats him in new hampshire -- i interviewed maggie haberman and john carl this week on my podcast. they were like the thing most scared of is a tighter, tighter race because then everyone starts to -- he has to have the dominance going. >> donald trump's whole brand is i'm a winner. if he doesn't win in new hampshire, suddenly people start going, oh, this is an interesting race. i think right now a lot of

voters, even republican voters, are kind of checked out. many sort of assume, oh, this is maybe already a done deal. oh, there's people fighting for second place, but you know, i think a win in new hampshire for nikki haley is necessary and really would potentially change the game. her problem is then she goes to south carolina where all bets are off. >> that's the odd thing. that's her state. she's the governor there. you would think -- but at this point she's down 20, 30 mopoint to trump in her own state. >> that's why from my perspective, i know the folks here assembled think trump needs 50 plus% -- a win for trump in iowa is either a commanding 50 plus percent lead or some kind of muddled result down in second place where nikki haley doesn't get a ton of momentum out of it, then she falters in new hampshire. there's two ways for trump to win in iowa. either big numbers or a muddled mess in second place. >> what do you think about what haley needs to do vis-a-vis trump. chris christie saying if she

doesn't say he's unfit. it doesn't work for chris christie. is there middle ground what she's saying now and flat out saying she's unqualified. >> i long thought she needed to be tougher on him. if you watched the cnn debate from this past week, halfway through she does get tougher. she said january 6th was horrible. some of his legal defenses was ridiculous. she was tougher on him. you had to get to minute 60 of the debate to get there. i wish she would front load that a little more. she can't be too, too tough on him. so many republicans still hold some affection, even if it is for old trump. >> chris, i'll say if you look at 2016, one of the big themes we talked about the existence of the shy trump voter. folks a little apprehensive about letting people know about their support. i think this might be the cycle for the shy anti-trump voter. and if you saw nikki haley win in new hampshire, that suddenly makes a lot of folks who start to rethink things.

maybe this isn't inevident able and could see a cascade of a lot of folks kwho are messaging, being politically correct about what it means to be a republican in 2024 right up until the point where they see there's some cracks. i'm not saying that's the base case, but there is a possibility. >> we're not going to have to wait long to get the first answer to this saga with the results monday night in iowa. meanwhile, over on capitol hill, it's the same old story. no spending deal. a possible shutdown, another short-term solution and house republicans talking once again of putting up a help wanted sign at the speaker's office. speaking of jobs own the line, defense secretary lloyd austin playing defense after keeping his cancer diagnosis and hospital stay a secret. so with u.s. now shooting it out with a houthis and yemen, is it time for a change at the pentagon? and later, the nfl playoffs are here. but you might be shut out of watching one of the biggest

games. find out who on the panel is throwing a flag on the nfl. ♪

new year, same problems, at least for congress.me ack to work this week facing major legislative deadlines. but if the house gop had any hopes of stopping their infighting, well, that new year's resolution is already broken. >> no border, no budget. >> threats from hardline republicans with less than a week until a partial government shutdown. >> we must hold this government, the funding and anything else hostage.

>> the pressure is on house speaker mike johnson to keep the government running while keeping the far right of his conference happy. >> our top line agreement remains. we are getting our next steps together. >> johnson, who has been speaker for just 80 days, being asked by hardliners to back off his deal with democrats for a $1.6 trillion budget. >> i vehemently opposed it, publicly and privately. >> it's basically the same deal that took down johnson's predecessor, kevin mccarthy, last fall. >> are you worried that one of these guys is going to make a move on you? >> no, i'm not worried at all. >> in the senate, leaders of both sides already gave up by making a deal by next week's deadline and plan to pass another continuing resolution. >> you know, the senate -- the simplest things take a week in the senate. >> reihan, now that mike johnson has said i'm going to ignore the hardliner, i'm going to stick to the deal i made with chuck schumer and the democrats in the

senate, how long will he last as speaker? >> he's making a bet that the motion to vacate, the threat to dump him out of the speaker's office yet again is something that the rebels don't actually want to do because they saw the chaos the last time around. they saw the damage that it can do to the party. so he is making the bet that that's just a lot of grousing. we'll see if that's true. i suspect it is in this case because i think there's a recognition among those rebels that if you roll the dice again, you could get an outcome that they're going to like a lot less than speaker mike johnson. the last time around, remember, democrats and the problem solvers caucus came right up to the edge of saying we're going to step in and get a more moderate speaker that we're comfortable with. if that happened this time around, that is something they do not have the power they have over mike johnson. >> but kara, what johnson is talking about, which is basically making a deal that's going to have a lot of republican opposition and he's

going to need democratic votes to pass it in the house, that's exactly what got kevin mccarthy kicked out as speaker. >> yeah. they've had enough. they want to be in the minority really badly it feels like because they keep fighting on these things. mj knows they're not going to keep coming. >> we're not talking michael jordan, mike johnson. >> no. not even close. >> not even close. >> so i think he has -- he's got to bluff here with these people and he has to make them fight him. and i don't think they will. i think they will be loud. they'll get on twitter. they'll make all kinds of statements like -- using the word hostage, well done, badly done. they look like crazy people. and so i think they're going -- >> but i don't know that they care they look like crazy people. one looks at this and says, are they on a suicide mission, for sure. but i'm not so convinced that mike johnson will be around in three to four months. i think it is an ungovernorable

coalition in the house. this will come back again and again. these funding fights keep on popping up. if it's not this one that will do him in, it might be another one. >> let's talk about that. congress only has until midnight friday something to pass something to keep the government running. speaker johnson wavered about the idea of a continuing resolution or cr to kick the can down the road a few weeks or a month. here he is in november and then this week. >> i hate crs as much as someone does. i'm not ruling out anything, committing to anything. >> kristen, does a shutdown make any sense for the republicans? do they gain anything by, you know, we believe in certain things and we're going to shut down the government until we get it? >> i don't think it has any benefit to republicans at all because the reality is the issues they say they want to

shut down the government, around the border, over spending too much money. voters are actually with them on a lot of that. you shut down the government, you immediately light on fire any goodwill you have from voters the middle who are otherwise with you on these issues. it makes you look like the crazy party. and it has been fascinating to me to watch all of these freedom caucus folks treat speaker johnson as this trader. like he's one of them and he's supposed to be doing their bidding as speaker and now suddenly he's out there saying things like, we need to be the adults in the room, we need to govern. governing is really hard. speaker johnson is discovering this. and i think the freedom caucus, they have to realize at this point that this whole gambit to put one of their own in charge is not yielding anything for them because that's not how governing works. >> but lulu, you say they are the crazy party. that's the question. >> i don't think it's the crazy party. it's the group. >> a lot feel very strongly with the democrats spending is too

big. you have to use this to get tougher on the border. would a shutdown at least show their voters, you know, we're fighting for your principles? >> i mean, this is what -- i don't know that it's the crazy party. i think there are many members of congress in the house, on the republican side who actually feel that this is insane and are tired of this. and they've spoken out against the freedom caucus. i think that particular group, though, is willing to take things to the edge. their entire message is about if we don't set things alight, nothing is going to change. that is the message to their voters. that is their message to their own party. and so i think we're going to be seeing this over and over again. i really do. >> i don't because they're going to lose. people in regular life have to compromise every single day. when they see this going on and the government shuts down and people aren't paid, it is bad all around. they will lose the message like kristen said. they will lose what the point is. >> let's talk about the big picture here, unfortunately

that's not governing. that's politics. and we do have an election in november. and with all the retirements and one expulsion, the republican -- they could only lose two votes and maintain control of the house. that's down to a two-vote majority. what are the chances that they end up in the minority -- some people say they're sure headed that way, reihan. what's the chances that in november they end up back in the minority. >> i would say the deck is really stacked against them when it comes to a number of redistricting cases that unfolded in a number of states that could become way more competitive. new york state for example is potentially going to blow up its redistricting map. so there's a lot of seats that republicans won narrowly in 2022 that could flip. another big picture about the chaos in the republican conference and the house, is that the republican party right now is the party that does not trust its leaders. the democratic party is a party that does generally trust its

leaders. over time the gop has become a party that embraces a lot of americans who, by the way for good reason in some cases, just generally don't trust institutions. that's a huge challenge for the gop leadership. how do you rebuild that trust? there's one person, by the way, who could come to mike johnson's rescue, donald trump. he is someone who has been incredibly loyal to him. donald trump came out and said, hey, this is my guy. line up behind me. that could be pretty interesting and pretty darn helpful for speaker johnson. >> well, let's talk about the other end of pennsylvania avenue, because for the first time in his presidency, joe biden is dealing with serious personnel issues, which has some asking, is he really in charge? our panel breaks that down next. ♪

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cabinet had either left or been fired. so far, the biden cabinet has seen only one departure of labor secretary marty walsh. but that stability may be about to change. this week, secretary of homeland security mayorkas faced an impeachment hearing in the house over the border crisis. >> what we're seeing here is a willful violation of his oath of office taken by secretary mayorkas. >> then, there's defense secretary lloyd austin who didn't tell anyone for days, including the president, he had cancer surgery and was in the hospital. now with the u.s. launching strikes against the houthis and yemen, lawmakers from both parties are calling for austin to step down. >> secretary austin has been an exceptional defense secretary and he still has the full faith in confidence of the commander in chief. >> reihan, should secretary austin either resign or be fired? >> yes.

this is a very serious breach. the fact that the president, the national security adviser were totally caught off guard by this is frankly quite dangerous. i believe that this might not be a political liability in a year's time, but i do think that it's something that president biden, who claims to be a conscientious public servant -- >> austin was diagnosed with cancer in december. he has surgery a few days before christmas. he has to go back because he's having very bad effects from the surgery on january 1st. and he doesn't tell anyone at the white house for days about any of this. >> yeah. >> and he's directly in the military chain of command. >> yeah. >> does he have to go? >> he probably has to resign. i think that's probably where it will be. but biden had a very stable cabinet for a long time. trump, every week there was some

controversy or leaving. this is not a crazy thing. i think nobody cares -- at least voters don't think it's an unstable administration. this guy made a mistake. he should resign. that's all. he should just resign and get better. >> i don't know that it's a sign of instability but it might be a sign of is the control room empty? i am a little troubled by the idea that the secretary of defense and the president are not talking on a regular enough basis that he can just be absent for that long and the president has no idea. to me a bad lapse of judgment on the part of the secretary of defense. i don't know if it's a fireable offense. but what worries me about it more is there this little communication between these two men at the top? that doesn't make me feel good at all. >> what was i think very disconcerting is that he apparently thought that because it was christmas he could kind of slide in and get -- and not be noticed that he was sick and that he was having to get this

operation. i mean, he's the secretary of defense. as we know, the middle east doesn't take a vacation, wars don't take a vacation. the fact he did this shows incredibly poor judgment. but i'll say that i don't know that it's a sign that president biden isn't at the wheel. >> i will say that part of this is a narrative, which i frankly think has some bases to it that there are geopolitical crises in the world unfolding that might not be there if there were another commander in chief in the white house. if that is something that many americans believe, i believe it is, i certainly believe it myself, then the fact -- >> let me just follow up on that for a second. you're saying that putin wouldn't have invaded ukraine or hamas wouldn't have invaded israel if somebody else was president? >> it depends on who that somebody else is, yes, i think when there's a perception that you don't have decisive american leadership, when you believe that you have a president who is asleep at the switch, then i do think that our rivals are willing to take more chances and

push the boundaries. i think that's the story of what's happened with these geopolitical crises under president biden. this re-enforces and exacerbates this. in china, this taught them something about the biden administration. >> well, i'm going to pick up on this because, you know, this is a talking point for -- >> absolutely. >> republicans that joe biden is old. he's not running things. somebody else is. doesn't this feed directly into that point? and therefore isn't it damaging the idea that, you know, this isn't forgive me, the secretary of labor, this is the defense secretary. we do have ships and military out in the field the middle east. and these two guys aren't in touch for days. >> you know, no. i don't think that. i don't agree with you, reihan. i think he made a bad judgment. he should resign and get it over with and put someone else in. biden did respond very quickly

to israel. he did respond -- he actually pre-responded to ukraine saying the russians are coming in here. the americans were the ones who said that. so i don't think he wasn't responding. i think it's that this guy made a terrible decision and should be gone. >> i want to break in because i want to talk about the other case of secretary in trouble and that's mayorkas who is already begun impeachment hearings in the house about him. there's been a record number of migrants coming across the border illegally. reihan, is there a case, legitimate case to impeach secretary mayorkas. >> there is certainly a strong case for president biden to fire him. there is a pretty darn strong case for him to resign. as to whether or not they are high crimes and misdemeanors, my sense is that what republicans in the house are doing right now is trying to get authorization to have a really thorough investigation to really understand all the moving pieces. i don't see a case -- >> or just to embarrass biden and his border policy.

>> that is part of it, this is a national embarrassment. i don't see the evidence for it right now, but there are attorneys general of a number of states, missouri, montana they believe there's something here and that counts for something. >> lulu, republicans say that the high crime or misdemeanor is gross incompetence on the part of mayorkas and a failure to follow the law. >> i mean, again, this is a party that cannot pass any budget and they're focussing on trying to impeach secretary mayorkas and not only secretary mayorkas, they're trying to open investigations and possibly impeach other members of the cabinet. >> in fairness, the boarder is a problem. >> the border is a problem, but mayorkas is enacting the policies of the president of the united states. and so, therefore you can dislike the policies of the president of the united states, but is that really something that you should open an impeachment to the person who is doing their job. you might not like the way they're doing their job. but he's actually acting in the interest of the president. he works for president. and so, i just find that to be a

kind of slightly spurious -- >> i think that's well said. there will be republicans running against president biden -- >> on an odd note of comedy here, not comedy, comity, let's change the mood with a classic song from one of music's biggest legends. ♪ ♪ purple rain, purple rain ♪ prince's "purple rain" joining a growing fade on broadway. up next, our hip panel gives its yay or nay on this latest craze. ♪

♪ time to look at some stories that caught our attention as our

group once again gives us their yay or nay. first up, the stanley cup craze. no, i'm not talking about the sports trophy. everyone is thirsty for stanley cup tumblers. customers are lining up outside target stores where they're being sold and rushing the shelves to buy them. prices range from 20 bucks to this super size quencher for $45. so reihan, are you yay or nay on these stanley cup. >> i'm a huge yay on this as an incredible american business story. 2019 they were selling $73 million worth of these god awful cups now it's 750 million. terrence riley, the marketing genius behind this, also turned around a little shoe, you might be familiar with crocs. he's a legend. this is what america is all about. so, go commerce. >> i didn't know you were a yoga mom, chris.

that's great. >> now you'll give me some shots, ladies and gentlemen, when we first asked kara what she thought about the stanley cup. i know nothing about hockey. >> i get that. i'm not a yoga mom, my friend. thank you. is this a gift for me. >> no. it's one of our staff's. but the question is, are you on the stanley cup bandwagon. >> no, i think it's silly. it's a silly thing. but yay america. >> it makes you drink a lot. >> my daughter has one. it makes you drink a lot. that's good. >> drinking more water is good. next, this could make you feel old. prince's "purple rain" yep, it's turning 40. and plans are in the works for a new broadway musical based on the 1984 oscar-winning film featuring the late singer's greatest hits. so, kristen, yay or nay on this

latest trend on broadway? >> i am a yay. not everyone will want to go see les mis, i get it. whatever gets people watching real, live entertainment. i think is positive. my only caveat is i don't want this crowd out original musicals. imagine if all you had on broadway were these jute box musicals. >> i want to pick up on that, lulu, that's the move. moving away from original musicals like "hamilton" and, two, because it's intellectual property that people already know famous movies like "aladdin," famous musical stars like tina turner or prince. >> this is like the broadway version of end lless sequels. >> i love them. you get to sing along. you know the music. kids love them. very family oriented. so i'm with kristen. >> they're also not new.

i saw beetle mania. i loved it. i love these things. i love them. >> just not stanley cups. finally, the nfl playoffs kick off this weekend. perhaps the biggest game, the chiefs versus the dolphins, is only available streaming on peacock. not on network tv. the nfl certainly scored a touchdown getting $110 million from comcast which owns peacock for exclusive rights to stream the game. but this will be the first time ever a playoff game is not available on broadcast or cable tv. so, kristen, are you as outraged as i am about this? and at the nfl's greed. >> i'm probably only not outraged because i think i already subscribe to peacock. i'm used to paying extra money because i pay for the nfl red zone channel. i'm a huge football fan. i can understand if you're a football fan, you're like wait a minute, i have to subscribe to amazon to watch the thursday night games, i have to have a

cable package, it's a lot. >> and i don't have peacock. our next story is nothing to laugh about. a dangerous trend impacting the lives of elected leaders, judges, even police. and it's gone under the radar.

♪ now for a dangerous trend that's largely gone under the radar. threats of political violence against public officials has seen an alarming spike in recent weeks. since christmas, prominent public officials have been

targets of swatting, where people call 911 to falsely report a crime and get police to raid the official's home or business. on thursday, police responded to a bomb threat at the home of the new york judge in donald trump's fraud trial. and check this out, more than a dozen state legislatures across the country have received bomb threats already this year, forcing several to shut down. trump issued a warning this week with courts rule against presidential immunity. >> i think they feel this is the way they're going to try and win. that's not the way it goes. that will be bedlam in the country. it's a very bad thing. it's a very bad precedent, as we said. it's the opening of a pandora's box. >> kara, is swatting the terrible new normal >> it's been going on for a long time. it's often organized on line. people find it entertaining to

target people. it works because police departments don't have to respond to everything. i think what has to happen is they have to know when it's swatting or if a house keeps getting called because some people they call them regularly. it's one of these games they do on online sites, and it's highly dangerous and traumatic to the people subject to them. >> and i mean, yes, it's been going on for a while, but there seems to be a new momentum to it. i'm wondering is this kind of a symptom, a dangerous mix of the growing polarization of our politics, as well as the dark side of internet? >> what's so dangerous about it is if law enforcement shows up, they don't know what's going on. if you have somebody who is trying to do a good job but they're trigger happy, there have been really bad, devastating consequences of swatting. it's not to say that political violence is new at all. you had the horrible shooting of gabby giffords, you've had -- you can go back and you don't have to look hard to find people who have had really mental illness who have gone out and

tried to harm public officials. what seems different about this is this isn't necessarily pemwith mental ill -- people with mental illness but people in the bad corner of the internet that think this is funny. that is terrifying. >> lulu, is there a purpose behind bomb threat and swatting public officials? >> i believe that there's a purpose. i believe that that purpose is to intimidate. i don't think that it is a game, and i think that there is an intent to actually persuade certain people to perhaps act differently. and i think we're seeing that. i mean, when you see people swatting president trump's judge, it might have an effect. people are afraid. if you see people swatting politicians, those politicians, we don't know, might they change their vote, might they behave differently than they would otherwise. so i think there's this pernicious effect that happens when we see this kind of

political violence spreading in this way. >> the panel is back with a look at next week's news before it's news. that's right after the break.

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outcome that helps determine whether or not there's a war across the chinese -- the china strait, the taiwan strait, excuse me, or not. and basically if there's a war there, recent analysis found that global gdp would go down by more than 10%. a devastating impact on the global economy and on the american economy. so we should hope that there's an outcome in that election that eases tensions rather than ratchets them up. >> there's one candidate who would do one and one who would do the other. >> that's right. you've got a lot of candidate -- candidates who want the status quo but some of whom might ratchet up tensions and others will ratchet them down. >> lulu, what's on your mind? >> george carlin died, as we know, in 2008, the famously irreverent comic. but you might not know it in certain corners of the internet because there's an ai special that basically has an ai bot doing a very raunchy and very provocative carlin bit. i think this is very, very dangerous.

and so, indeed, does the family of george carlin whose daughter says she finds it disrespectful. wants to prosecute it. the real thing i find interesting about this is i think we're going to see more of this. the fact that ai is taking over and being able to represent people in ways they don't want to be represented -- >> after i knew you were going to say this, that people would be interested, it's an audio, not a visual. here it is. >> you know how much americans love reality tv? we love it so much, we elected a reality tv show host as president. [ laughter ] well, not we -- i was dead at the time. so you elected a reality tv show host as president. >> i got to say i'm not sure that sounds like george carlin. but it's an interesting and somewhat troubling development. kristen? hit me with your best shot. >> i love a good red carpet. the good news is if you love awards shows, the "golden globes" which were a week ago, they actually had pretty good ratings. bounced back after a tough 2023.

i'm hopeful that as we have the oscars and the rest of the awards season we'll continue to see awards shows come back, red carpet -- >> the host bombed with his monologue. >> that's true. >> kara, wrap us up. >> i think the apple vision pro, which is about to be sold to the public, it goes on sale february 2nd, i think, and comes out -- is going to be really interesting and is a big shift in computing paradigm. and i'm going to get one and wear it here on set. >> but not with a stanley cup. >> not with a stanley cup. >> is it -- as revolutionary as the iphone? >> it's different. it's going change the way we work and use entertainment. it's just the first step toward heads-up computing. >> the videos are really interesting. >> they're astonishing. would you like a demo? i can get you one. >> i would love it. thank you all for being here. fascinating as always. thank you for spending part of your day with us. we'll see you back here next week.