she's averaging 31 points per game so far this season. so in her current pace, she could move into first place by the middle of february. and penn state upset the badgers 87-83. it was the nittany loiones first win over a top 15 team since 2021. the students who were enjoying a rare snow day there in university park rushing the court to celebrate there. their coach actually offered all those students discounted chicken finger baskets if they came to the game. also free tickets because it was a tipoff. in the snow. many of those students took advantage of that. good time there. >> never underestimate of a free or discounted andy, thank you so much for that. and thanks to all of you for joining us this morning. i'm kasie hunt.

don't go anywhere. "cnn this morning" starts right now. morning, everyone. i'm poppy harloe with phil mattingly in new york. trump targets nikki haley in new hampshire taking a swipe at her name, comparing her to hillary clinton. >> and hailey says that america has, quote, never been a racist country, talking about racism she experienced in pretty much the same sentence. how she's explaining that comment, coming just weeks after she failed to mention slavery as the root cause of the civil war. and there's a deal to get medical supplies to hostages by hamas. what gaza is dwegt in return as the u.s. carries out more strikes in the region. "cnn this morning" starts right now. and we do begin with politics this morning. the battle for new hampshire is underway with donald trump and

nikki haley holding dueling rallies and ron desantis ramping up his ground game with just days left until what could be a make-or-break primary. hailey and desantis are facing the harsh reality that trump could slam the door shut on this race next week, after his landslide victory in iowa. >> now, during his rally in new hampshire last night, trump made it clear that he sees only one opponent standing in his way for his relentless march to the gop nomination. >> ron desanctimonious. did he go down like a -- i don't even want to talk about him, because i don't want to waste it. i do want to talk about nikki. this perception that she's gone up, she's not tough enough. we have a country in such bad shape. we have to take it back. nikki haley is a disaster. i moved her to the united nations, and honestly, she was not a good negotiator. >> overnight, trump launching ugly attacks against hailey on his social media platform, referring to her by her indian first name, nimrada, the same

way he disparages barack obama by calling him barack "hussein" obama. >> she said and her campaign said that there's only two tickets out of iowa. that the top two out of iowa would be viable and she would finish at least second, and that would be the race. well, guess what happened? >> live in manchester, new hampshire, with more. quite an escalation of attacks from trump on hailey overnight and ron desantis saying, i am still here. where are we now this morning? >> yeah, i mean, well, for starters, we are less than a week out to primary day here in new hampshire at this point, and both nikki haley and ron desantis are trying to cut into what's been essentially trump's dominance to this part. now, that said, nikki haley does

appear to be better positioned to give trump a serious challenge in the state, based on polls coming in, but polls are one thing. securing the votes of these citizens in the last few days is another thing entirely. the republican race for president is re-focusing in new hampshire, with all three candidates campaigning in the granite state after former president trump's landslide victory in iowa. >> do you think what happened in iowa is going to happen here in new hampshire? >> i think that is a strong possibility of "yes." >> reporter: florida governor ron desantis is sharpening his message to try to cut into some of trump's overwhelming gop support, and criticizing his gop rivals for not debating in new hampshire. >> i'm the only candidate that actually agreed to come to new hampshire to debate. i'm the only one who's not running a basement campaign at this point. >> reporter: trump took a detour to new york to attend jury selection in the defamation case brought against him by e. jean

carroll before heading to new hampshire. a long line of supporters waited for him in the blistering cold to get into his campaign event. >> i said, will people show up, but they always show up. >> reporter: trump is trying to secure an equally dominant finish in new hampshire to secure his path to the nomination. >> we've really got to get back on to biden and beating the democrats and not wasting a lot of time with these two. >> meanwhile, hailey is staking her campaign on a strong finish in the first primary state by courting support for more moderate voters. >> i am looking for an alternative republican to run against joe biden. >> reporter: her competitors say that she can't win the primary without republican support. >> nikki haley in particular, is counting on the democrats and liberals to infiltrate your republican primary. >> reporter: to win a republican primary, you can't rely on democrats coming in and changing their registration. you've got to be able to win core republicans, conservatives,

and she cannot do that. >> reporter: hailey's allies are hoping for a strong finish as she campaigns on a message of generational change. >> don't you think we need to have mental competency tests for anyone over the age of 75? these are people making decisions on our national security. these are people making decisions on the future of our economy. we need to know they're at the top of their game. >> reporter: but hailey is also facing criticism for how she answered a question about racism in the united states during an interview tuesday. >> we're not a racist country, brian. we've never been a racist country. our goal is to make sure that today is better than yesterday. are we perfect? no. >> reporter: her campaign clarified her remarks in a statement writing, america has always had racism, but america has never been a racist country. >> reporter: now, that was something hailey allies like larry hogan agreed with and even ron desantis when he was asked about it, of course, despite

periods like slavery and segregation, where racism was literally built into the fundamentals of this country. that said, all of these candidates will be out on the campaign trail today. trump starting his day back in court, or at least expected to, in new york, before making his way here to new hampshire. >> a strategy that has been working for him. thanks very much for the reporting. >> joining us now to discuss, max rhodes, cnn political analyst, natasha alfred, and scott jennings. scott, i want to start with you. it lasted 22 hours, donald trump's unity message. i hit the stopwatch. 24 hours is fairly decent with him. him training his sites directly on nikki haley. one, it's a recognition of new hampshire. but if he knows if he wins new hampshire and by a lot, it's over. >> that's the truth. if he wins two states here and i don't know where anyone else goes. that's the interesting thing

also about the desesantis strategy. he's not really competitive in new hampshire. if he knocks hailey out, he'll get a shot at south carolina and beyond. but that looks a heck of a lot like iowa. and we know what happened in iowa. and at this point, when you look at the national polling, trump sitting near 70% with republicans, it's -- if republicans make this decision, it's pretty obvious what it's going to be. in new hampshire this morning, there's a suffolk university tracking poll out today. trump is up 50-34, and 5 for desantis. for desantis, for him, i'm not certain what the path forward is. for hailey, this is the alamo. and when you look at what trump did among all the demographics in iowa, if republicans make this choice. if they are the dominant turnout factor here, then he's in pretty good shape. >> it was interesting, natasha, yesterday, governor sununu made the argument in this great interview that dana did with nikki haley and sununu that if

you have such a conservative republican electorate in iowa, and you only have -- in his words, you only have 51 percent of them going for trump, that portends big problems for him ahead. it's seeing it the opposite way that trump and his allies see it. do you think there's merit to that. he's saying that you've got the most conservative and trump can't get more. >> i don't know. i think i look at ron desantis as just trump-lite. i think that is his challenge right now, is that he's not distinct enough from donald trump. and donald trump remains the front-runner because he has a history. he is a former president. so people are not willing to sort of jump towards a person who's promising to be like a man that they already admire and want to see. so even that portion of the vote is going towards somebody who is imitating trump in every way. i think this is donald trump's party and that is what we are seeing. >> let's listen to some of desantis last night with wolf. >> donald trump cruised to an

historic victory. >> if donald trump is the nominee, the election will revolve around all of these legal issues, his trials, perhaps convictions if he goes to trial and loses there. i just don't think that we're going to succeed if all of those issues are front and center on voters' minds. >> should he be saying that, like, a long time ago? >> you guys are assuming that -- he's assuming that republicans -- >> care? >> don't want it to revolve around that. i actually think they do want it to revolve around that. desantis got asked last night, he gives off this nice long list of things that republicans have always said they wanted a republican president to do. but i'm sort of coming around to the thinking that we don't really want the election to be about that. we want it to be about vindication for all of the things that he was just saying, well, this is electoral poison, but, you know, for trump's voters, getting vindication for it would be sweeter than any policy victory, i think. >> max, is it your sense of vindication that he can get 270 electoral votes?

>> probably not right now. >> that's the ultimate -- and that's desantis' point, right? yes, republicans clearly seem to be in that spot, but does that spot get them 50 plus 1. >> what you'll see in a general election dynamic is biden will seek to make it about trump at every single turn, because what they're finding in their data is they can't get over concerns about his age. they can't -- they just can't get over it. no matter how well the economy does, conversely, trump clearly, they must clearly understand that independents will never get over his history with january 6th and all of these court cases. so they'll try to make it about biden, and it will be back and forth. we will never see more negative campaigning in the history of our politics than in a 2024 general election between trump and biden. >> and we're not even thinking about all the people who are just going to stay home because they are not inspired by biden or motivated enough by the fear of donald trump, right? that whole idea that you're going to fearmonger people into

going out to vote, it's not going to work the same way it worked in 2020. >> it's with that positive note, and that burst of sunshine and optimism that i say, come back, all of you. we have a lot more to get to on the panel. >> including this. nikki haley says that she will only debate two people, trump or biden. ahead, much more on how she's just dismissing desantis and eyeing the front-runner. plus this -- >> coming down the stairs! >> newly released body camera video shows police in ohio raidraid in ing a home, inside, a baby on a ventilator. what the mother explains those exploding flash bangs did to her child. ththat's next.t.

we're not a racist country, brian. we've never been a racist country. our goal is to make sure that today is better than yesterday. >> that is nikki haley yesterday saying that america has never been a racist country, less than ten seconds later in that same answer, here's what she said also. >> i know, i faced racism when i was growing up, but i can tell you, today is a lot better than it was then. >> 12 hours after that, the current front-runner for the party's nomination, donald trump, posted this on his social media platform.

quote, anyone listening to nikki "nimrada's" whacked out speech last night, those were his words, would think that she won the iowa primary. notably, trump misspelled her name, her given name, when he posted that as well. >> a week ago, trump amplified a post that insinuated that hailey was inviseligible to run becaus her parents were not citizens at the time of her birth. of course, that's wrong. for years, he was full-on birther, probably still is, peddling the lie over and over that president obama was not born in the u.s. and using his middle name for specific effect. >> president barack "hussein" obama. >> it's no surprise that joe donnelly is holding a rally this weekend with barack h. obama. president barack hussein obama.

crooked joe biden and his boss, barack hussein obama did this to us. >> let's bring back our team, natasha, scott, and max. we're going to pull up on the screen, she put out a statement a little bit later yesterday after a lot of backlash over her saying that, we'll show you that as soon as we have it in a second. but there's context here, too. because what she said yesterday in that interview comes just a couple of weeks after her gaffe about what causes civil war, an answer that didn't include the word "slavery." >> you do not deserve to be president of this country if you don't have a coherent, consistent message about race. it is just one on one, right? if you're going to lead this country through a time of division and partisanship, you have to have a consistent message. and i think this is why people don't trust nikki haley. they can't trust that she actually says what she means and she believes, but they can count on her saying whatever sounds good to the audience that she's speaking to. this will not work in a general election, okay? you want to say that america was

not a racist country to voters who are in buffalo, right, and just saw people killed in the top shooting, or in jacksonville, florida. i mean, all of these voters are out there, and they want to know that you are going to tell the truth, but also that you have a message of hope for the future. flip-flopping on that doesn't earn you any respect. >> especially on this issue. >> especially. >> it just -- one note in case people miss it. her campaign yesterday put out a statement that said that america has always had racism, but never has never been a racist country. >> that's even worse. >> why? >> it's just -- it's talking out of both sides of your mouth. and again, we cannot trust leaders who don't actually have a vision around this, right? people are tired of the division, they are tired of the sort of pain and gaslighting around racism. and so if you come with a message that says, you know, we're not racist, but you know, i had a couple of experiences with racism, but it's just not cohesive, it's not coherent, and it undermines any sense of

belief that this person actually stands on what they believe. >> i would -- at the same time, i would venture that i don't know anybody in the republican party that would give that different of a message. in fact, ron desantis agreed with it last night. senator tim scott has said similar things. >> noted republican vice president kamala harris has said, this is not a racist country, when she and tim scott had a conversation about this a while back. i do think that you can make a distinction between saying, an entire country is racist versus saying that there have been individual people or moments of racism. where i think that she is in trouble on this issue is, it's in her head now. the slavery thing was a real gaffe. to say that we've "never been a racist country" -- >> that's different than not. >> obviously, the period after the civil war, the rise of the klan. we had massive bouts and rounds with racism. now, you know, her party, the republican party, was the party that started to dig us out of that in this country.

and to improve us every day, what she never actually says, desantis says it, and i'm surprised at that, that's part of our proud history as republicans, fight against slavery. >> can i just say something, though? we talk about this as if it is the past. we are looking at -- we've covered stories where people have died, have been killed because of racism. jacksonville, florida. the dollar tree shooting. i mean, this is happening right now. and this is not just the black community, right? the japanese internment. i mean, those families and descendants are still here. my name is alford not because my family chose that last name, that is the name of the slave-holding family that owned us. i know the plantation that we are from in south carolina, and i am here. my father de-segregated in school. he remembers those things. so why do we have to talk about it as if it is past. the pain is real. the survivors of racism, we are here, right? and so if you don't have a message around that, that talks about the future, that talks about the future, you cannot lead this country. >> well, republicans do have a message around it. >> it's to ignore it!

it's to say -- >> no. >> it's to say that we are color blo blind, which does not solve the problem. >> which is to say we are undoubtedly a better and stronger nation on this front today than we were 10, 20, 40, 50, 150, 180 years ago. we are undoubtedly better as an american people than we ever have been. and that will be true again tomorrow. >> but why is that? it's not because we ignored it. it's because people called out what was uncomfortable and they challenged the status quo and they said, we need to live up to what the american dream actually is. those were the people who were demonized. we just celebrated martin luther king. martin luther king was killed -- he was killed. he was not considered a favorite or a darling of america because he stood up against racism, against poverty, and actually, the greatest threat was that he was uniting poor white people, right, with poor people of color. that was the greatest threat to america, was that he was willing to bring us together. so, again, we have to move past

talking about this as if it is history, as if it's not happening right now. and when the republican party does this color blind thing, you're gaslighting people. and they're going to react to that and show it at the polls. >> the problem is, it's not what you just said, right? that's a message centered around patriotism and opportunity and equity. the problem is, is that there is no leader currently in the republican party vying for the presidency who is saying what you just said. to openly deny that america has ever been a racist country, every politician has ticks that were developed from their start in politics. and clearly, what nikki haley saw in south carolina 20 years ago as a person of color, she had to say things like this in order to advance early on in her career. that in and of itself is such a great tragedy, but right now, it's not just horrendous what she's saying, but it's politically stupid. i can't think of one republican primary voter who is like, you know, i was with trump, but then nikki haley said that we were never a racist country, so now

i'm with her. so the smart thing for her to do is to focus in on these independent, moderate voters, and try to gain some momentum out of new hampshire. that is her only hope. but then, of course, she still goes into south carolina, her momentum state, where she is trailing trump by 35 points. this primary, unfortunately, is just about over. >> you do raise an interesting point about the audience in new hampshire. she needs non-republicans basically to come into this primary. so how she addresses these kinds of topics, how she addresses topics that a non-republican audience is listening to is going to determine whether she can actually get close to him or not. i'm not sure it's going well -- >> because undeclared voters could be helpful. >> not democrats, but undeclared could come in. and people who say, i don't want trump anymore, i want to move the republican party past trump, well, you know, you can't give answers to questions that make them say, we sound like trump. because then they have no reason to come in and -- look, this is what chris christie was saying

on the hot mic the other day. this is basically why he was saying, she's not up to this, because she can't paint a clear choice for the actual non-republican or anti-trump voter. this is the tightrope she's on. >> and it's also why desantis is not up to it, as well. too close to trump. >> thank you guys very much for this important conversation. appreciate it. >> well, a bipartisan group of lawmakers just released a $78 billion tax package that would expand the child tax credit. passing it, however, could be a problem. and a deal has been struck between hamas, the terror group, and israel, with the help of qatar to allow medicine to reach those israeli hostages still being held in gaza. we'll tell you what the details are, aheadad.

an ohio mayor is calling for an independent investigation this morning after police executed a raid at what the owners of the property say was the wrong house. a mother and her 17-month-old baby, who has a pre-existing medical condition and was on a ventilator at the time of the raid, they are inside when police deployed flash bangs in the home. >> police search warrant! come to the door! police search warrant! come to the door! >> dogs! dogs! >> coming down the stairs! >> the mayor of elyria, ohio, released this body cam video of the incident. another angle from a different

officer shows the moment they entered the home and you can hear the woman inside scream. we want to warn you, this is difficult to listen to and watch. >> police search warrant! >> coming down the stairs! [ screaming ] >> come to the door! >> my wbaby is right here! >> okay. >> come down to the door. >> just come down to us. >> come outside. >> my baby's on a ventilator in there. >> i didn't know what to do, because there was guns pointed at me. i wanted to run to him, but i knew if they ran to me, they could have shot. they drug me out of the house, put me in hufandcuffs. i kept screaming, my baby, my baby is on a ventilator. my wbaby is in here. >> that was courtney price. she says her aunt owns the home. she also says the person the police were looking for was a teenager who hadn't lived in that home for over a year. the aunt says that police had come to the house about five times looking for the teen before. price, who you can see in this

video, handcuffed outside of her house said her son had to be hospitalized due to the chemicals that came from those flash bangs. police say the devices they deployed don't contain pepper gas or chemical agents and they say they don't cause burn and write in a statement that any allegation suggesting the child was exposed to chemical agents, lack of medical attention, or negligence is not true. the mayor is saying that while the footage captured clearly illustrates what did and did not occur when the search warrant was executed, it doesn't answer the questions of what led to the warrant itself. the family is planning legal action against the police department. they are moving to a new home this week. now over to capitol hill, where after months of negotiations, a bipartisan group of lawmakers in both the house and the senate just announced a $78 billion tax package. it's a critical package with an unclear path forward. let's break it down right now. it would expand the already-popular child tax credit, while also temporarily, at least restoring several business tax breaks that have recently ended or been phased

out. the package would also boost funding for affordable housing and disaster relief. let's dig a little bit deeper about how this could actually impact families. under the current tax code, many low-income families receive the same child tax credit, regardless of the number of kids in the family. under this new deal, they would receive the same credit for each of their children. right now, that is only something higher-income families actually have access to. now, according to the left-leaning center of budget -- on budget and policy priorities, the proposal would held more than 80% of the 19 million children who received no credit or a partial one, because their families earn too little. that organization also says, if the tax package is implemented, after the first year, as many as 400,000 children could be lifted above the poverty line. a hundred thousand more when it is fully effect. so what's next? when can families in need see this money? well, the deal still faces many hurdles to pass on capitol hill. there are still questions of whether it be a stand-alone bill, potentially try to ride on a different vehicle like a stopgap spending bill. it's unclear if they'll be able

to win sufficient support to pass the legislation, despite the fact that it's bipartisan. they're trying to do it by the end of this month. the white house has still not officially committed to it. some republicans very skeptical, as well. the moment sentence finance committee chairman senator ron wyden, the democrat who negotiated the deal, says my goal is to get this passed in time for families. i'm going to pull out all the stops to get that done. poppy? >> you think this happens? do you think -- i know the white house wants more, but do you think this makes it all the way through? >> this is the deal, thes s business tax credits, it's not expanded to the deal it was in the american rescue plan. that has some democrats skeptical. the white house is being a little wary here. it needs a vehicle. and right now i'm not totally sure it has one. they can't even get the government funded, but this is a messty and it should pass. will it, though? >> and when it expired last time, so many children fell back into poverty, that had been pulled out. >> demonstrable results. >> totally. >> and fast ones. phil, thank you very much. meantime overseas, the u.s.

striking houthi targets in yemen for the third time in just the past couple of days. a warning -- and warning ships, i should say, to avoid the red sea still until further notice.

very sad news to report. two israeli hostages who have been held in gaza since october

7th have died. this is according to a statement released by the kibbutz where they lived. hamas recently released a video that purported to show the videos of the two men, in a move that the israeli defense minister called psychological torment for their families. sunday marked the 100th day of captivity for more than 130 hostages that are believed to still be held in gaza. protesters in israel and around the world marked that day with demonstrations, calling for the remaining hostages to be freed immediately. >> now, qatar says it has brokered a deal between israel and hamas, that would see the delivery of medicine to israeli hostages in gaza, in exchange for the delivery of medicine and humanitarian aid to civilians in the most affected areas of the gaza strip. joining us now to discuss, former usaid west bank and gaza mission director, dave hardin. we appreciate your time this morning. let's start with, when you look at the construct of this agreement brokered by qatar, do you feel like this is a step forward that could lead to

something broader substantiavel? >> not really. look where we are. more than 100 days in, we're just getting medicine to hostages and medicine into hospitals. i mean, it's really a deep hole that we're trying to walk out of. yes, it's a good thing, though, to have medicine for innocent people. whether or not this leads to anything further, it's very hard to tell. >> ewhere do you think this goes in terms of these hostages. these two and their poor families having to go through seeing that video and then learning now that they have died. you still have, i think it's 136 remaining hostages that are being held. how does this end for them? >> i mean, it's very unpredictable. but i will say that the region is now deeply in flames, and it's likely just to get worse. i would also say, on october 7th or october 8th, no one would

have envisioned that the houthis would be able to shut down global shipping through the red sea. that goes to the unpredictability of this conflict. and i think that's what we're likely to experience going forward. >> just to clarify for people, sort of the connection here, right, this is the houthi's response to the west, the united states, et cetera, support for israel in this war. >> correct. >> and now, you have the u.s. responding three times militarily, and the question is, has it already become a regional conflict? we talk about, don't let this widen out. it seems widened already. >> we're in a regional conflict. there's no doubt about it. of course, you have israel and hamas and gaza. you have hezbollah and lebanon and israel, just yesterday, there were strikes by the iranians in syria, pakistan and iraq. and of course, the united states has now launched three air strikes against the houthis in

yemen. this is regional. the question before us is, does this deepen further into a direct conflict with iran and the united states. >> there have long been contentions, including the last couple of days. when you talk to u.s. officials, they say iran does not want that kind of conflict. they're not going to push it over that line. my question has long been, how do you know what the line is, and how do you ensure that people don't make mistakes. >> that's a great point. there are incentives now that are pushing forward to deeper conflict. and you see this with the houthis in yemen, but let's be clear, both russia and china get advantage if iran goes into a direct conflict with either israel or the united states. and so this is at a tipping point where it could very easily spill out of control. and the israelis in many

and the israelis aren't leaving the region. they both live there and they're both not going anywhere. and they can't get divorced. so at the end of the day, even though bibi netanyahu finds it unpalatable to have a palestinian state, there needs to be a state that can live in peace and in security with

israel. saudi arabia will remain key to all of this. and it's important that saudi/israeli -- saudi/israeli normalization deal goes forward. >> dave harden, we appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you, poppy. thank you. thank you, phil. in the next few hours, the supreme court will hear arguments about the regulatory powers of the federal government. it's a case that could have monumental consequences. we'll explain why, next.

will chevron deference be overturned in this country? the question of chevron deference. overturn chevron deference. it's about something called chevron deference. >> did you go looking for all of those? >> it's finally here. happy chevron deference day to all who celebrate.

and if you don't, you need to start celebrating, but especially to our own poppy harloe, who is deeply passionate about her family, her profession, but mostly chevron deference. the high court will hear arguments today in a case about oversight fees on fishing boats, which sounds very niche, kind of weedsy, but could have massive implications for the federal government's regulatory power. why, poppy? >> it is true. let me tell you, the justices could decide -- i'm going to get you back for that one -- to kneecap the ability of federal agencies to regulate big things like health care, our environment, the workplace. they could do away with a landmark 1984 ruling that you guessed it, implemented chevron deference. in simpler terms, it requires courts to defer or side with an agency's reasonable interpretation of what the court thinks is an ambiguous law passed by congress. weedsy, yes. important, definitely! that's why we have our senior supreme court justice -- justice and analyst -- you would be a

great, great justice. i'm just saying. joan biskupic here from washington. help make my case that this matters to everyone. >> i love that. phil, nice going. and you know, to all who celebrate, and poppy definitely celebrates chevron deference day, you know, one scholar calls this an accidental landmark, when it came out in 1984, people didn't realize how much it was going to mean to agency authority and expertise over air pollution, workplace hazards, you know, drugs, medical fraud. it's -- you know, it's so important to the expertise that regulators bring to these fields. but, what's happened is that critics say it's created this runaway bureaucracy. now, what did chevron say? the case dates to 1984. and it arises from the fact that congress often passes open-ended ambiguous statutes and leaves the details to congress.

and when disputes arise, what this landmark case says is that as long as an agency's interpretation of its statutory mandate is reasonable, in and of itself, an open-ended word, is reasonable, then the agency interpretation should stand. there are all sorts of critics out there of this, especially wealthy critics such as the charl charles koch foundation that's helped finance this case, but we'll see where the court goes with it today, poppy. >> joan, first, i need to give credit where its due, grace, poppy's producer, i think to be poppy's producer, you have to be an expert on chevron deference, and she's the brilliance behind anything funny we ever do. but i want to ask you, you have this great story about the unique perspective that neil gorsuch has on this specific issue. explain that. >> that's right. well, the chevron case itself arose when ann gorsuch, neil gorsuch's mother, was head of

the environmental protection agency. she was part of the reagan revolution anti-deregulatory revolution. she was in office, tangled with congress. in fact, was even held in contempt of congress. and when she was forced out, she wrote in her own memoir, neil, son neil who was only 15 at the time, said, you shouldn't have quit. you taught me not to be a quitter, you shouldn't be a quitter. but neil gorsuch, perhaps inspired by his mother's own emphasis, has really opposed agency latitude here and urging his colleagues to take up a case like it's taking up today has said, rather than say what the law is, we tell those who come before us to go ask a bureaucrat, we place a finger on the scales of justice in favor of the most powerful of litigants, the federal government, and against everyone else. i expect him to be a major player today, poppy and phil, but i also want to tell you that

he's got several colleagues on the bench with him who also oppose chevron deference, despite poppy's enthusiasm. >> yeah, it's a big day for poppy. >> and the country! >> the piece is great on cnn.com. champagne for chevron deference day. joan biskupic, thank you, as always, my friend. >> grace. a new miss america has just been crowned. >> miss colorado! >> miss america, madison marsh, who is a 22-year-old u.s. air force officer, is going to join us live, next.

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your miss america 2024 is -- miss colorado! madson marsh. >> that u.s. air force officer

madison marsh landing the 2024 miss america crown. she is the first active duty service member ever to be named miss america. >> and marsh was crowned miss colorado back in may, while juggling classics in physics and astronomy at the u.s. air force academy. she's now pursuing a masters degree at the harvard kennedy school and using her platform to advocate for an issue that is near and dear to her heart, pancreatic cancer research and education after she lost her mom to the disease at the age of 41 back in 2018. miss america, madison marsh joins us now for her first national interview since being crowned. so many congratulations. >> thank you so much. >> you have broken so many barriers. it is wonderful to have you here. i want people to listen to part of what you presented as your talent. this is what you said in your spoken word piece that was centered on receiving a pilot's license at age 16. here you were. >> i'm flying at 3,000 feet and there's no instructor here to check my speed, altitude or

runway spacing. i'm 16 years old and i alone must rely on my training, instinct, and determination. it's been more than six years since that first solo flight and now i'm an active duty officer for the united states air force. whether i'm seated in the cockpit or standing in my crown, i know the sky is not the limit. >> other than the question of what you can't do, because it seems like there is nothing, what will you do with this honor? >> oh, my gosh, i am just really, really excited to be the first military member to hold the crown, because i feel like that really breaks a lot of stereotypes in pageants and military for women all across the globe. and i want people to know that you can do both, because i feel like sometimes, there's this negative stereotype about women in the military. and i hope that they can see that you can serve beyond your uniform, and that's what i hope to do this year as miss america, and really pouring into my side of pancreatic cancer research and advocacy for my mom, because

i feel like there are a lot of people that we can do even more work for. and so i want to dedicate a lot of my year of service to focusing on those two issues. >> on that front, you were asked what you learned from the grief of losing your mother, and you said, the value of time. being able to be in the here and now. what are you going to do now? expand on that. what does that mean for the year ahead in terms of how you're going to work on those issues? >> the sky is not the limit, as i said in my talent, so i'm really excited to continue to work with some congressional members, maybe there are some specific pieces of legislation or funding lines that we can be working towards in pancreatic cancer. i'm super excited. i have a meeting this afternoon, but i won't say with who yet, because it hasn't been announced, but i'm very excited to work with some national and potentially international entities for pancreatic cancer, because i think this is going to go a lot more than the type of legislation that we can pass, because there's so much advocacy and education surrounding pancreatic cancer that i want to ensure that people know about all across the globe. >> what do you think your mom would say, no doubt she's looking down on you.

>> i think she would just be so happy. i was talking to someone last night on the phone and she obviously never got to see me even start competing in pageants, because i started my first year at the air force academy, and i just remember, i got a very special call from my congressman the night before she passed away, letting me know that i got early admission to the air force academy, and so it was just a very surreal moment, knowing that before she passed, she knew that i was going to achieve one of my biggest goals of going to the academy. and this, getting to wear this is all for her. and i hope that she knows that and the rest of america can see that as well, because really this entire year is dedicated to my mom, whitney. >> before we go, what were your classmates at the academy -- have you talked to any of them since this happened? i would love to know what their thought process is. >> yes, i mean, everyone was so supportive. i remember there were times at the academy when we were trying to work with my schedule on how i was going to make competing and being a cadet work. and so i have tons of