you know, there is a word

for what happened in new york in a courtroom today. and that is a latin term. it's bonkers. tonight, on "laura coates live". i have been waiting to talk to you guys about this all day. what a day in court today. donald trump clashing with the judge, loudly talking during e. jean carroll's testimony, loud enough, by the, way to be heard at least two rows away, claiming its -- you've heard these phrases before -- it's a witch hunt. and it really is a con job. unquote. shaking his head, throwing his hands up in the air -- oh, wait, i do that to. pulling his hands up in the air -- it was quite a performance. and it's one that didn't fool the judge, not even for a millisecond, or maybe a new

york minute, i guess you say. because here is something you don't usually here in the courtroom. the judge saying that he hopes he won't have to kick trump out of court. and then trump responding, quote, i would love it. the judge, i know you would. of course, he likely would. his goal is actually, maybe not to win in court. it's to win at the campaign. and frankly, if we are being honest, it is working for him so far with the polls. and let's not forget that this is the man who fundraised off his mugshot in the fulton county election subversion case. pretty much any attorney i've ever met would be saying, i need you to stop talking. for the love of god, stop talking. maybe a muzzle will do. it's already been established -- and defamed. her that was legally established before. the price now is what this is all about, what he has to pay in -- really? the liability cost, the damages as they say.

he didn't show up for that trial. he didn't testify before. and so, now, he's trying to get maybe a second bite at the new york capital and having to have a trial on his very own times. and he will not stop talking about e. jean carroll. even though this is just the kind of talk that landed him in court in the first place. >> the witness today, a person i never knew, i never had anything to do with, it's a totally rigged deal, at this whole thing is rigged, election interference -- by this is a person i have no idea, until this happened, obviously -- i had no idea who she was, and nor could i care less. it is a great deal. it's a made-up, fabricated story. >> so, now the question i have for you -- i mean -- stop to think for a moment, just to imagine, just for even a second, what it's like to actually testify, not only

against donald trump, but in the case of today, in front of donald trump. well, join me now is natasha -- a friend of e. jean carroll, and testified in her first trial against trump. natasha also alleges that trump assaulted her back in september 2005. natasha, thank you so much. the word i describe today was bonkers, in the idea of what he was and how he was behaving in the courtroom. it goes without saying, natasha, trump is very well-known, obviously. he, frankly, was one of the most powerful people in the world and -- this country and he very well could be again if he is reelected. what is it like? testifying i against someone like that? becoming so deeply personal that? what was that like for you? >> fortunately, when i testified last may, he was not in the room, in the court.

so, it was nerve-racking enough just, as you say, just testifying against him. i did not have to look at him in the eyes. e. jean carroll, today, i assume had to look at him in the eyes, because she was -- i was not in the courtroom today. so, i can only imagine that the nervousness that we both felt last may would have been multiplied by 1 million them. looking that man in the eye, looking your abuser in the eyes. >> what was it in particular, for so many people to try to really -- i mean, it's hard to fathom what that must have been like. but what was the cause, and the source of your nerves? was it talking about something so personal? was it about, really, the anticipation of the backlash, that, i am sure, followed? what was it specifically for you, at that time? >> a few things. firstly, i understand, under

oath, on the first time ever telling my story verbally. i had only written about in the people magazine, back in 16. i had never done any interviews or anything about it. so, not only was it my first time talking about, it but i was doing it in a court of law. so, that was a bit nerve-racking. second of all, not knowing what he would do, or his supporters would do. because when myself and the other woman came forward in 2016, we all had death threats and all sorts of hate mail. so, i had to prepare myself for that as well. when >> you know e. jean carroll. and the idea of what she is going through, with all of this? again, this is a second trial. and this time, donald trump is in that courtroom. >> first of all, the first time she testified, it was -- she was interrogated for two or

three days. it was grueling. i can't imagine just going through that again, just what i am assuming happening. now, but, i've also got to say, this has been building up for her for decades. so, i think there is also -- and tough cookie, let me tell you. and i also think that it was probably a theory, although nerve wracking, a very empowering moment for her, is how i imagine, knowing her. because she is finally table sort of be in that courtroom and point at him and say, you. you did this. and i can't deny it. and as far as i can tell, she did a great job today. >> the idea of being able to confront ones accuser is something that a defendant wants to be able to have, to look the person accusing him in the eye. but then -- you talk about, about what it's like to then draw your attention and focus on the person, and in front of a jury and a judge, no less, in a courtroom in this fashion.

you accused trump of assaulting you back in december of 2005. now, he has denied. it and frankly, he insulted you, saying something very deplorable, like, take a look at her, i don't think so. we even gives me pause, even repeating something as rude. i know you have concerns over -- tell me about the specific details of your case, and i don't blame you, even already testified in a court of law under oath, and naturally having to repeat it and go to specificity again is not what i'm asking. but how did you deal with that kind of attack? and the backlash that ensued? -- said it, you're talking about somebody who was a front-runner, and wanting to be, and then became the president of the united states. >> i think -- at the time, i was writing this book in new jersey, with this mafia guy. so, i actually, in his hotel room, away from everything,

where no one could find me, and very well protected. but i really kind of hid for a while. because i -- you know it's crazy? you write something like that, and you are sort of writing the story at three in the morning. and it appears online. and i just did not think about the reaction. and it was like a tidal wave. so, i really sort of removed myself for a while. i'm canadian. and the night before the election, i got on a plane and came back to canada, and your state here for a while. thinking that things would come down. of course, then he won. so, that didn't work. but i think i just removed myself for a while. and then i had to deal with emails and hate mail. and i had to learn to just sort of ignore them, and delete them. that's what i had to do. >> that's a daunting proposition in and of itself.

natasha stoynoff, thank you so much for joining us and giving us some inside perspective on what this experience is really like. thank, you natasha. >> thanks so much. >> i want to bring in cnn legal analyst elliott williams who, frankly, i've been wanting to talk to about this as well. because, you and i have appeared in federal court. the idea of somebody stepping out of line, the idea of a defendant talking out of turn. i mean, these judges, they really enjoy that lifetime tenure. and they will exercise the authority to tell you that it's their courtroom. in this case, just think about how that looked in that moment, and what he was doing. why do you think he was operating in that way? >> it's a political stunt for the former president. look, i clerked for two different federal judges. i've been in federal courts a long time over the course of my career. there is a little bit of almost a pedantic adherence to rules in federal court. they tend to be a little bit stuffy, more often than not. and judges really control their

courtrooms, and the idea of walking in and saying -- what ways the line? i would love it. that kind of bluster might work on the campaign trail. but it really does not fly in federal court. so, and frankly, i'm surprised he's made it is far, to be quite candid without -- just kicked, out the -- does not have to align -- >> -- does not have to be there. it's not a criminal proceeding. he is now required to be there. in fact, he was not there for that first trial. but i think back to this from the perspective of the defense council as, well trying to get in the minds of what they are thinking. he does not have to be there. you heard natasha say the empowerment aspect of an accuser confronting the person that she is alleging to have done this. and a court has already found that he has. why allow your client to be president? because you could imagine the optics of the jury going, you know, the sort of head turning moment, of what's he going to say? what's his reaction going to be? why have him there? >> yet, your problem, laura coates, is that you are a sensitive human being, who is --

>> that's one of my problems. >> -- a trial. this is not about winning or losing a trial. it's about winning the hearts and minds of people in iowa, and new hampshire, and south carolina and so on. there is no reason that one should, number one, put their defendant on the same -- have the defendant out giving press conference is outside of the courtroom, where every single statement he make makes, they could use against. and they could literally go in tomorrow and play the tape of that press conference, because they step up and -- of the plaintive, again. it is not about winning the case or winning the money. this is about voters and nothing else. >> you know, that's a sad state of affairs. and of course, he will use this moment and suggest, what? i can't defend myself? as if there's no defamation law in this country. >> and people buy that! the unfortunate thing is, he can make a statement such as, can you believe this is such a wichita? they won't even allow me to speak out my mind. they won't even allow me to defend myself. and there are people who actually believe that -- when he has, in fact, been

given a far longer least in any defendant should ever be given a civil case based on the kinds of statements. the nothing off to the federal judge -- and again, i don't want to keep talking about the judge's eye clerk for. but if that kind of thing happened, i have seen people get sanctioned or warned very sternly certainly, and the idea that, yes he's a political candidate, yes he's entitled to a little bit more latitude -- but he has been given, yeah. >> let's not forget, though, we did watch a member of congress challenge a union boss to a. fight, so we have seen some things happen this last year. elliott williams, thank you so much. nikki haley, she started quite a political firestorm. when she said that america and -- this is the important word here -- america has, never been a racist country. i could ask white house press secretary karine jean-pierre what do you think that all this.

>> vice president kamala harris was asked to respond to presidential candidate nikki haley's comments, saying this country has never been racist. today, on the view. watch. >> when i think about it, i think we all would agree that, while it is part of our past and that we see vestiges of it today, we should also be committed, collectively, to not letting it define the future of our country. >> just to remind, you this is what she was responding to. >> we are not a racist country, brian. we've never been a racist country. our goal is to make sure that today is better than yesterday. >> this, of course, comes on the heels of nikki haley flooding the answer to, well, it really a very simple question. what was the cause of the civil

war? >> i think the cause of the civil war was basically how government was going to run. the freedoms and what people could and could not do. >> note the lack of the word slavery, of course. and maybe it's far more nuanced, it seems. but joining me now to discuss this and so much more, white house press secretary karine jean-pierre. i am so glad you took the time to be here today. i know you are very busy. >> thank you, appreciated. i appreciate it. thank you for having me on the set. >> it's great to have you here! i love the outfit. i'm just gonna say that right now. but i want to ask you, especially about this point, because this is something that has really ruffled so many feathers, i think, for good reason. somebody asking, of course, to be the leader of the free world, unable to address this issue about race in america. president biden ran a campaign of battling for the soul of the nation, the underlying context, of course, also included race. what is your reaction to this

idea of the state and the history of america, as it relates to racism? >> thank you so much for giving me this opportunity, because i think it's about to have this conversation. i want to be really careful, as speaking to nikki haley -- obviously, she's a candidate for 2024, i'm a federal employee, i've got to be careful not to speak to an upcoming election. but i can speak to the reality, right? which is, we cannot rewrite history. we just cannot. and anyone who is a leader, a political leader, has to be truthful. they have to be honest about that. and it is not helpful when we are talking about our kids, right? as our kids are growing up and learning about our history, it is not helpful to our children. we have to be honest in who we are as a country, where we are going as a country. and that is something that the president talks about. you just mentioned why the president, essentially, jumped into the race, back in 2020, when he saw in 2017 in charlottesville what we saw -- you talks about, this the tiki

torches going down charlottesville, and the streets of charlottesville, where you have the president at the time -- president trump -- saying that there were good people on both sides. and the vial, the vile things that they were saying -- we lost someone, a young woman who is fighting anti racism anti racism died that night. a mom lost her daughter that day. he said, he saw that, and he said to himself we are in trouble as a country. -- believe that it was important for him to arrive. and he did that. >> when you think about these issues and why it is so pressing for so many people, is that you really cannot begin to change something, or have a workable solution unless you first identify a problem. it really is the underpinning and the crux of every issue that anyone in politics must address. here is a problem. here is a solution. here are the potential hurdles. how do you overcome them?

this is very, very relevant, of course, in the field of what i like to call feel-onomics. i know it's not a term that janet yellen we talk about, but it's one that -- but i know how i feel about this. i know how the average person goes to the grocery store, has a big bill and a small bag, and they obviously forgot the -- this store, it's a whole thing right now, the grocery stores. and we know our personal budgets. why is there such a disconnect between what the administration wants people to feel and believe about the strength of the economy, and how so many people ultimately are feeling personally, day in and day out? >> so, a couple of things. there's a lot to unpack. and i appreciate the question and the opportunity here. so, there is some data that we saw coming out of 2023 that actually showed -- you hear the word consumer confidence -- we saw consumer confidence, and it went up in a bag way that we

had not seen in a long time in the month of december. >> did you expect that increase? >> here's the thing. the economy is actually very strong right now. i know the feel-onomics -- i think that's how you say it -- i get that. but unemployment is at a historic low. more than 22 months it's been under 4%. the president has been able to create 14 million jobs in the last four years. remember, when he walked in, we were in a pandemic. people were losing their jobs. small businesses were shutting. down schools were shut down. and now, because of the actions that he has, taken whether the american rescue plan, the bipartisan infrastructure legislation, or the chips and science act, where we see manufacturing coming back, we are seeing good paying jobs. that is a fact. we are seeing -- >> is also the fact that, i think, 71% to -- hold it differently, 71% of americans think the economy is not doing well. if you listen, a litany of things already, why the disconnect? >> so, we know that it is going to take time for people to fully feel with the president has done.

but, again, we have seen consumer confidence go up. so, people are starting to feel it. and not only that, last month, in the month of december, people actually spent money. right? but, we understand that we have to lower costs. when people talk about -- >> -- the economy, obviously, comes in as, one but james carville, it's the economy, stupid, comment. but then there's immigration. >> yeah, yeah. >> and immigration has continued to be -- not just in this administration -- add to that began the issue of the border. we are talking about all of -- from biden to trump, to obama, to before that. this has been a continuing issue. but as the incumbent president, he is wearing we are the buck stops. it has been such a source of tension, whether it is how to describe it as a crisis or not, what is happening in terms of blocking access for the federal government to go to places in texas and beyond. what is the plan for the biden administration to address and resolve this? at least as soon as they can?

>> so, almost three years ago, the president put forward a comprehensive immigration proposal. because he understood just what you laid out. this has been an issue for decades and a republican, democratic presidents. this is -- this did not just start today or you are go, or three years ago. so, he put that forward. and nothing happened. really, nothing happened in congress. now, you fast forward to today. there is something happening in the senate, where you have republicans and democrats coming together, that they've been talking for months, talking about how they can come up with a bipartisan agreement to deal with what we are seeing at the border. and we understand. you need both sides. you need republicans and democrats to deal with this issue. the president has is encouraged by that. he had republicans and democrats at the white house today to talk about, primarily ukraine, that was the important part of that meeting, to talk about the importance of funding ukraine, and making sure that they can continue to fight against the tyranny, and the aggression of mr. putin that is

happening there in the last two years -- >> how did that meeting go? it's obviously, the border, plus ukraine, or sources of extreme changed between republicans and democrats. >> yes, and it's part of that national security supplemental that the president put forward a couple of months ago. it is important, the reason why it is a supplemental is because there is an emergency request. we have to continue to fund ukraine because it is about our national security, not just about ukraine. obviously, ukraine is doing something that is really important and is fighting for their democracy. and the border security -- he included that in our national security. we are talking about important issues that, you said, that matter to us as americans, matter to our national security. look, that conversation went well. it was -- everybody that came out of it, there was a bipartisan understanding that we need to deal with the border. and it was a bipartisan understanding that we have to make sure we deal with ukraine as well. >> but we had that understanding, karine, and we haven't had its resolution, now towards evading, particularly,

a shutdown. do you feel optimistic based on what came out today that friday night at midnight we are not gonna be sitting here wondering is the government open or not? >> look, it is congress's number one duty to keep the government funding. we cannot continue to do what republicans have been doing, which is kicking the can down the road. let's not forget, back in spring, the president came together with republicans and democrats in congress. they had a bipartisan agreement that two thirds of the house who voted on. and it went through the senate. it had a bipartisan agreement in the senate side. the president signed that into law. it was an agreement. so, there is no reason -- there is no reason -- that the government should -- it will be partially shut down, if it does, on the 19th, sadly. but we cannot -- that is not acceptable. the american people deserve more. >> this pressure coming from within the democratic party towards president biden on his support for israel, in particular. is there a plan to try to resolve and unify the party on

that, at least? >> it is not a monolith, and we understand people have feelings and people have thoughts. the president, as you just stated, is commander in chief. israel, obviously, is an ally, and it has been for some time. and 1200 souls were massacred on october 7th. and you have hamas, which is a terrorist organization. a terrorist organization, who have said -- they have said, leaders in that organization, i've said they will do october 7th over, over, over again. and so, while we want to -- obviously, we do not want one more life taken in gaza. we do not want that as it relates to the palestinian people. it is not something that the president wants. that is why we have had these diplomatic conversations, conversation with israel on them being really precise and more accurate on how, what their actions, their operations, -- and they said that they are going to lower their intensity of operation.

they have. they've removed some troops out of the northern poach of gaza. that's really important. a lot of that is because what his president is -- let's not also forget there's been humanitarian aid that has been going in to gaza. and that is because of the leadership of this president. and so, we want to make sure that we are getting that really important humanitarian aid, as i just mentioned, whether it's water, medical assistance, medical aid into gaza, and that's what we have been doing. these are all important conversations to have, and questions to answer. and i appreciate -- truly, truly appreciate this opportunity. >> he's got that to reconcile, as many others. and he is still -- you know, he's great going to north carolina -- to promote and -- thank you for that as well. >> so, he's going to raleigh, durham also known as the research triangle. he has been going across the country to different states, obviously, and cities, talking about bidenomics and -- >> they should call it feel-onomics -- >> look, i was talking earlier

about the bipartisan infrastructure legislation. he's going to talk about how we are repairing infrastructure. he's going to talk about how we are continued continuing to lower costs. one of the things that is so important because of the presidents economic policy and his plans, that he's been able to do, it is because of what he's done, you are seeing the private sector investing in north carolina alone 31 billion dollars. investing in manufacturing, and making sure that we have good paying jobs. so, he's going to go to north carolina, and speak directly to north carolinians, and talk about what his administration has been able to do for them. >> my mom is from fayetteville. she calls that god's country. good luck down there. >> [laughter] >> i don't know if i agree on the barbecue, vinegar versus other -- trouble about that -- let's not go there. karine jean-pierre, thank you so much. >> thank you so, much laura. >> thank you. up next, former president trump stepping up his attacks on

rival nikki haley. and tonight, haley is calling it all a temper tantrum.

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>> things are really heating up. there were dueling campaigns in new hampshire tonight. nikki haley was in -- donald trump in portsmouth. and haley had something to say about some late night attacks from the former president. listen to this. >> i know trump threw a temper tantrum about me last night. i heard that. and i've seen the commercials you have seen. i will always tell you the truth. so, one of those things that my friend trump said was that i

did not want to close the border. you saw what i said about the border. he said, i did not want a wall. what i said is, i don't want just a wall. we've got to do more than that. >> i'm joined now by former obama white house -- director neera hack neera haq -- and -- the fact that he is going after her's -- most of the field up until now. >> for the most part. >> why now? >> -- donald trump obviously wants to make sure he wins new hampshire by a resounding margin similar to iowa, so that there is no doubt in mind come south carolina that the race is over. and i think if you are advising nikki haley have to then have the question, do you want your candidate to lose her home state by, 25 or 30 points, particularly if you want that candidate to be in the best position to run in 2020?

eight i think most seasoned strategist would probably say, no and -- >> she's fact-checking in realtime. or, she's trying to fact-check. >> it's also little personal, right? -- and had made phone calls to him as he was fretting about keeping his seat in the white house, and not being kicked out after the insurrection, and apparently called him and asked him, how are you doing? are you okay? even starts off with the senate remark, right now, my friend. entrepreneurs trying to have it both ways. cater to the maga wing of the party and -- >> -- those voters. now trump is, why? 40 points ahead of her in south carolina? come super tuesday, a litany of those states are more conservative, and likely republican primary voters. nikki haley as well attuned to the primary politics of, this and so she gets this. she understands it's critical not to isolate those dividers voters as well and --

centrist-leaning republicans who want a -- >> those who are still left in the republican party -- >> -- percent of the party -- >> right, versus a 60% of americans who are affiliated unaffiliated right now under -- her comments, in a very general election type of situation but -- trying to make it out of a primary field that is dominated trump is going to be hard, and he's going for the easy win for -- the temple tantrum he's referring to is that he is once again using her ethnicity to lodge the equivalence of birther attacks. no, he's playing and messing around with her name the same way he did with barack obama and ted, or rafael cruz and -- >> i think it's obvious, looking at nikki haley, that she's a woman of color. it's obvious. she can't hide that any more than i could or any more than tim scott could. so, i don't think that republicans are somehow naive to the fact that she's not a white woman. so, well i'm not sure that trump voters will buy into the

games, i think it's more of an entertainment for. and biden that's really got to move the needle one where the other for those who are listening to this. >> schmichael singelton, i go back to this, and -- but if you are telling people you want to be president of the united states, you call him the leader of the free world, right? you are going to go up against people who are not going to be pleased with the policies of this country and beyond, why isn't she going back on the offensive? when it comes to issues of birtherism and he is promoting this totally false claim that she was ineligible to run for president? being a part of the administration in the, past not wanting to alienate some of his voters and at some point you've got to fight back. otherwise, can you be commander-in-chief? >> you do have to fight back. but i think she wants to be careful with appearing to lecturer republican base voters about race. >> it's not lecturing, though, -- >> -- standing up for yourself as a person of color would be seen as pandering to this idea of diversity, when clearly, as you

said, she has a name that has family origins overseas, as too many people in the united states right now. but that is not something that president trump wants to embrace, and actually wants to remind people of the differences of what his version of a making america great again, rewinding the clock free civil rights era, free immigration naturalization act, what that would look like. and those are the strains of the republican party, and nationalism that he's appealing. two >> but i would say, from the perspective of many of those individuals we have seen for the past couple of years now, this idea of a racial reckoning that we -- talk about race, and if we can talk about it, we can deal with it, and we can finally move on. and anyone who dares not to deal with it, then you must be a racist. so, many white americans, particularly blue-collar folks, say, well, i'm definitely not a racist, so i will participate in the process of having this national dialogue.

and then you fast forward, andy i became more mainstream, then you had the gender influx. and people sort of start to say, wait a minute. here i'm not so sure about some of these things. and so, from their perspective, you see these individuals as i would call an east coast hubris, if you will. these individuals who say, well, we are well-rounded, we are well traveled, you are well cultured. and this is how you should behave, and these are the things you should accept. and if you are not willing to accept these things then you must, somehow, be bigoted. and all trump comes along and saying, wait a minute, except that some of this is, okay but we've got to draw a line in this. and we've got to protect our cultural norms, our cultural identities and -- >> whose culture and whose cultural identities? >> they are cultural norms, and their cultural identities, and to them, those things are fundamentally important. and i think that is why nikki haley has been very, very careful not to lecture those voters. because she is politically estimate enough to be aware that they do not want to be lectured on those particular issues. they said, we have had enough. we do not want to have this anymore. >> which i think is fascinating, right, because this is very much a prospective bev backlash to obama as opposed to this

whole other part of the conversation that has existed for multiple years out about what it means to have women's rights, abortion rights, and what it means to have voting rights, all of that -- and so, what shermichael singleton is speaking to is that a segment of the population that is catching up in -- >> but we have an identity issue in this country that we have to deal, with laura. >> we do. we do, but i think you are going to have to try to define -- nayyera haq, and shermichael singleton, thank you so much. attorney general merrick garland meeting with the families of the uvalde school tragedy, and the parents of one child ended up walking out. we will tell you why next.

we have a news tonight on the deadly uvalde school massacre. attorney general merrick garland meeting tonight with families of some of those who were killed and injured. the meeting comes ahead of tomorrow's planned release of a justice department report on law enforcement's response to the mass shooting that killed 19 children, and two of their teachers in 2022. family members were not given a copy of the report, but were briefed by garland about its contents. near sponsors from family, as well, they were mixed. the families of lori tourists who survived the massacre left early, saying they did not hear anything new. and -- whose granddaughter -- was killed said this. >> it was a lot of information,

and i guess the next step is to find out what will be done with this information. >> another family member, the father of -- who was shot in the back and survived says he is hopeful that people around the world, will, quote finally see in the abysmal failure that law enforcement had. we will be right back.

it is the only unsolved airplane hijacking in the whole history of this country.

tonight, there are new clues, 52 years after the infamous d b cooper hijacking mystery. i will paint the picture for you. said the, seen it all began on a rainy night in november 1971. a man who identified himself as dan cooper boarded a flight from portland, to seattle. he was wearing a, suit and a trenchcoat, along with a black clip on, tie and sunglasses. now a little after takeoff, he ordered a, drink and handed the flight attendant a note saying that he had a bomb. cooper demanded $200,000 of cash, and told the pilot to fly to mexico. then, the unthinkable, with the cash strapped to his waist, he parachuted out of the plane and then disappeared. but now, there is new evidence -- and he joins me now.

eric, i remember hearing about the story from -- unsolved mystery, and what could have possibly have, been here we are all these years later, new evidence leading you to focus on a particular person died last year. his name is -- but i want to be clear, this is actually your theory and cnn has not review the information independently, on this matter, but his daughter has provided you with an envelope i guess with his dna on it. what is the latest now? >> yes, basically there was a black clip on tie he left on board the jet that was retrieved by the authorities, it wasn't last in 1971, wasn't of much value at that time. recently it has been analyzed under a scanning electron microscope, and there are several unique particles, muddled particles found on the tie that point to a specific company and pittsburgh. i think, to a specific division within that company.

there is a person of interest, a guy named vince peterson who was a worker there that i am particularly interested in, and i'm working with his daughter to try to ascertain whether or not this guy was d b cooper, and if he is, not than who was cooper? >> we reach out to the fbi and peterson, family they have declined to comment. but his daughter, she doesn't believe her father was cooper, and sufficient enough to have the fbi release the files in this case. what has she told you about her father and the kind of person he was? >> well she was six years old at the time of the carjacking wreck in 1970, one so shimmers or father being a very kind person, and just a kind of person that wouldn't be involved in anything like this. but at the end of the day, you know, there are stories out there of people who pull of crimes, with things of this nature, and they managed to get away with it for a couple of reasons. most prominent of which is,

people who were around them say there was no way in the thousand years they would never believe this person was involved. at the end of the day it is simply a matter of appealing to the fbi to get access to that tie, and try to run a dna test on it. once we do, that if we are successfully convincing the fbi to give us access to the thai briefly, we're talking ten minutes, here we can determine once and for whether her father actually was cooper, and again if it wasn't her, father who was. at that point we would have a dna profile to work with, using 2024 state-of-the-art technology. me >> you have to keep us posted. this has always been a very fascinating story as to what have been. parachute out of a plane, whether he really was. thank you so much. think you all, think you all for watching. our coverage continues. me

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