commanding commissioner right now, or constable zamora, running for reelection. there are names in there in the community needs to see this and because the doj stamp is on there, maybe you will start taking a seriously instead of telling us to move on, telling us to sweep it under the rug and not doing a dam thing about it. we need our community. when it is hard enough waking up every day and continuing to walk out on the streets, walk to an h-e-b and see a cop that you know was standing there while our babies were murdered, and bleeding out. it's hard enough that. this community doesn't care, and i hope that we this makes you care. i also hope this lights a fire under the district attorney's but because we know she is not done a dam thing. we refused to accept that. do your job.

>> [inaudible] do you feel that the report went far enough in naming people for accountability? as we know, dps -- officials outside of the -- a lot of video and -- it doesn't seem that this report really touches on their actions. it seems to focus mostly on the -- . are you concerned about that reaction? >> i don't understand why they are allowed privacy. my child, those children, they are named in this report because they're dead.

everybody should have been named. >> if i could follow that up, do you think devious is off the hook on this? to any of you just want to -- >> it's hard to answer the question because we've only been given an hour to have to kind of look through the report. so we don't even know if they are mentioned in there or not. we would hope that they are. the cause they were there so we hope that they are accountable for their actions. >> following up on, that monica madden, cnn, i know that you are still sifting the through the report, but were you hoping that the attorney general would've addressed a lot of the aftermath? the delays in the d.a.'s investigation? the investigation into its officers accountability? are you hoping that he would address more to that publicly? >> of course we would have. we are grateful that we have what we have right now. because it is the most updated information that any of us have gotten since may 24th.

so we are very appreciative of what he's done right now. but yeah, we would have liked to have had more information. >> i'm with cbc radio. did you learn anything new from what you've seen? is there anything that you didn't know? >> we knew as families, just talking amongst each other, we knew the failures that had happened. we just -- it makes more clarity now because it's written. and now it's set in stone. we thought -- i did learn something. >> i don't realize that the scene was compromised. the scene was compromised. there was people that should not have been no that we're entering the classroom, thus mentioned in the report. >> who was that? >> i want to continue reading more when we're down here. >> san antonio.

and all of your minds, is there are questions that the -- for their investigation? criminal charges now at this point? >> yeah, i mean. this is probably the most extensive piece that we have, what else does she possibly need to prosecute or to remove these people from their positions of power? they can't even do their jobs. >> the k b p w. a i, how safe are the children right now? >> the point of this is that none of us are safe. that is what joe's just mentioned. none of us are safe because these weapons are on the streets.

>> you recently expressed concerns about the two year mark. are you hoping that this will potentially fast-track the upcoming dea investigation? >> well, even the d.a. can't get in our way. but to your point, it ought to be said that the dea, with the help of a jury here in texas, it's fighting the disclosure of a lot of these -- young formation. the dea has a job to do. we understand that. but she's locked up disinformation and families deserve to have access to this, they value their legal rights. there's no reason why she can't do her job so that we can do ours and so these families get the information they deserve to

make a decision. >> is there a timeline? >> at this point it's not a good bet to bet on the d.a.'s timelines. >> quick question. you talk about -- what is the purpose of it? to sue the local -- what are you hoping? >> i mean, it's similar. of course the doj looks at the criminal and the dea looks at criminal allegations. the other facet to these incidents is, how can we -- what went wrong? how can we hold those people accountable in other means? whic legal action against them so there is another incentive to clean up their act. so we have to look at all the angles here. what contributed to this? it should be noted that when many of us were growing up, i

might be the oldest person here, but when many of us were growing up we don't have these routine mass shootings with ar-15s but guess what? ar-15s are available. so something has changed. one of the big things we've seen in sandy hook, and other cases, is what's changed is the way these weapons are pushed on youth. this is a tragic example of the repercussions of that. when i was growing up, nobody knew what an ar-15 wise. here every kid of a certain, age ever especially boys, know what they are because they're being courted. they're being courted with other actors like social media and et cetera. these companies are pushing these products on kids. >> are you suggesting that -- but >> i don't bring charges. fair enough. but the legal issues are under

consideration. i can't really speak about it beyond the big picture of type of things you have to look at for an incident like this. there's a lot of factors that go into something like this. >> what are the next steps? we now have one of these investigations out there. the dps is still doing their investigation. obviously the dea still doing theirs. as you continue to try to move forward, we want to put the day behind you, but you also want to create change. >> i think we will continue fighting. we will continue fighting. we hope that some type of change is made in honor of our kids. we have nothing left to fight for them. we are there voices now so we will continue. >> can i get a reaction from someone that the attorney general will stand there, it's a significant moment when he says that lives --

[inaudible] how was that to hear him say that? >> how do you want us to react? >> no because so many people have not wanted to say that here. law enforcement officials. >> i mean, we're thankful but it was pretty hard to hear that. what he said there. lives could've been saved. like, i just could not believe it. you know, for these officers to sit there and just not do anything, you know, still being out here on the streets like nothing happened. my daughter is gone. it was hard, it was hard. >> we will leave it there, folks. >> excuse me.

>> thanks, everybody. >> i have something to say. i'm the grandfather. this mass treating here, why is it that our officers got rewarded instead of being punished? they got raises instead of getting demotions. that's what i don't understand. the dps major sitting behind abbott got 40,000 dollar race. the texas ranger that had been suspended a year ago, fired, he is still getting paid over $100,000. why are we paying these officers? you want us to trust them? with our families? when they are getting paid to do nothing? we lost 19 children and two parents. and another husband died right after.

so really, i don't see where we should be rewarding our officers. i was at the courthouse when they had the commission, they asked me if they should have a race. i told them no. they don't deserve a raise. if you cannot serve and protect the people, these were children. all they wanted to do was play. there is no reason this should have happened. they should have -- they ignored the training that was supposed to be since columbine, they ignored it. there is too many failures in this situation to happen here. and for them to be getting rewarded for it, i do not agree. >> what is your name and last name? >> i'm vincent salazar, the grandfather of layla salazar.

>> we have been listening to the families of the victims of the 2000 to uvalde school shooting. many of them reliving the horrors of that day as they are scouring through this long, hundreds of pages long justice department report about the botched police response to the massacre. coming to its conclusion, including, quote, the response to the may 20 for 2022 mass casualty incident. >> the extensive probe comes 20 months -- and two teachers were killed. details how law enforcement stood by outside the classroom for over an hour, where carnage was taking place. last hour the attorney general, merrick, harden lays out the governing details. let's listen. >> many officers reported that

they didn't know who is in charge, what they should do, or the status of the incident? some officers were confused about why there was no attempt to confront the active shooter and rescue the children? some believe the subjects had already been killed and that law enforcement was in the room with the shooter. 75 minutes after the first officers arrived on scene, officers finally entered room 1:11. >> let's go live to simone's -- in uvalde for us. within hours of it taking place, speaking closely to family members with victims, we heard from them just now and something that the parents said stood out to me. he is the father of a young boy that was killed at robb elementary school. he said about the law

enforcement officers that he believes they have not been healthy accountable for the failures in at uvalde. he said, quote, they don't believe the people that are supposed to protect us failed our children. what did you make of all that you just heard? >> he's right. i've spent a lot of time here. i talk to these families, i've talked to other folks in the community. there is a feeling here. there are some of this community who feel that the law enforcement did the best they could that day. and you know, there are some who feel they did nothing wrong. so the families feels so hurt by the disrespect that they have gotten from this community. countless times. today, to hear the attorney general solidify, stand there with them and how they feel about the way in which they've

been treated, that is the thing. it is horrible and hearted have to deal with the kids, the loved ones, the babies being murdered inside this classroom. but it is also what happened for over a year from the community, law enforcement officials, investigators, the district attorney, it just continues and continues. the department of justice justified that feeling for them. it corroborated how they are feeling. and it's a very significant moment for them to have the attorney general stand there and say, law enforcement failed you. they should have done better. the leading law enforcement official of this country to stand before these families, they were in the press conference as they were crying and speaking. the attorney general cutting emotional at one point. saying that loved ones deserve better and that is the thing. that is what this does for

them. it is a remarkable moment for this community, for the people who have suffered as a result of what happened here. of course the attorney general listed the failures. one of the significant things that he said is that lives could have potentially been saved had police acted sooner. and i know for my reporting and footage i have seen, reports i've seen, interviews i've listened to, there are people, kids, teachers, who were still breathing. they were seriously injured. they were alive during those 77 minutes while the kids were inside that classroom. and had law enforcement got in there sooner, perhaps those lives would have been saved. that is what the attorney general here today said. i think it's so significant among the failures, obviously, just the top to bottom and everything that they did was a failure. it was not right.

and essentially, today, he said to this community, you're right, you should have been treated better. i think that's very significant. >> >> yeah, they're watching in this community divided, symone, lives divided. their lives will never be the same and it's cold comfort, i think, to have accountability. what they want is their children, they want their loved ones. but they are looking for that accountability. they think it's incredibly important and specifically, you heard parents there talking about the d a. i mean, what do they want? what are they expecting? where does that stand? >> they want transparency from her. she has not held one press conference, she's avoided the media, and i've had to chase her down in the very beginning stages. she refuses to answer any questions. she does have some meetings with them, but she's very evasive. she has been claiming that

she's waiting for -- panel a grand jury. there are some questions about that. so, she's not very forthcoming on what she is planning to do. many of them feel that she's not going to bring any criminal charges against any of the officers. they want charges, they want to see someone inside a courtroom, facing charges for their failures. and i don't know if today gets them that, and probably won't. it would be a very difficult task. certainly, the dea has not given any indication that she's planning on doing that. it's been stalled, essentially. and everyone's trying to figure out, well, what's she waiting for? we're almost two years into this. i just want to make one other very important point here about why we are even here today, and why did the department of justice is here today. because honestly, it's the mayor, the former mayor, mayor don mclaughlin. if it wasn't for him, the department of justice would never have been able to do this

investigation. they would never be here telling the families what happened here. it was a very crucial moment because in the beginning stages of this, when the mayor realized that there perhaps could've been some kind of cover-up here, he quickly called the department of justice and said, i need help. i'm going to allow you into this investigation. no state official would have allowed him in. no other city official would have allowed the department of justice in, but he, on his own, against his party, the republicans here, against what the governor wanted him to do, what the department of public safety wanted him to do, they didn't want doj in this. he said, no, i'm going to do this. i'm going to bring doj here and here we are today. it's because of that that the families are able to get the answers that they've been wanting. because quite frankly, rihanna, i don't think, we would still be playing a guessing game here. the families would still be wondering, well, what really

happened here? because to this day, when you think, to this day, not one state official, not one state official, has briefed these families. not one city official has set them down and said, let me tell you everything that has happened here. and it seems like today, at least for now, they have some answers and as they said, they're going to keep fighting because there is so much more and they've got to figure out how to bring this community together. to be here, you see it, you feel it. even the families of the victims, there's some separation now, they aren't as united as they once were, and it's really hard to see. i know for them, it certainly very painful. maybe this today brings everybody together as we focus on the victims, the families. because i think that's the most important thing, because what happened here was just so horrific and so bad, and should not have happened. that is why today is really just i think needs to be about those victims.

>> and brett cross, the farther that we heard from previously, brought that up in his march, shimon, saying that now that this report has a doj stamp on it, maybe they will take a seriously, people in the community, instead of telling us to move on. shimon, please stand by. we want to go to cnn's josh campbell now to get some analysis on what is in the report. josh, there's obviously an extensive list of failures outlined. some 273 recommendations. notably, the attorney general spoke at length about a lack of training by some of the law enforcement officials that were at the scene. but how much of this, from your perspective, amounts to lack of training versus not just doing what has been mandated to be done since columbine, when officers arrived at a scene like that? >> well, this is striking on so many levels and i think you see a bit of both their. there's the training aspect, which is outlined in this report, and as the attorney

general mentioned, but also as i will mention in a second, just the nature of the being a police officer and what that means when you are in an emergency situation, tasked with saving lives. first, on the training. the attorney general noted in the report saying that -- aftermath is that the vast majority of officers who had arrived on the scene that they had received no training, working with other agencies. you had to think, you know, in this era of mass shootings, it's not just one department that's responding. it could be multiple agencies and the idea that they haven't, you know, practice some type of inter agency training in advance is certainly unconscionable. then the attorney general also said that when it comes to active shooter training, some of the officers there on the scene lacked any training at all. so again, you have to think about, what does that mean for leadership? i can tell you, i brought was brought up not far from uvalde, i know this -- it's not a place where police officers on a daily basis are dealing with endless emergency situations. the reason why that's important is because if you are a police

leader -- that time when you are not responding to shootings and, you know, urgent situations, to train, to prepare. why i select my self, you know, what was this police chief doing spending that time? in order to pair those officers the day that tragedy might strike in his jurisdiction. the second part i will mention, the actual nature of the profession. you know, this is a colossal failure. i talked a lot enforcement sources from coast to coast who say they are stupefied, they are appalled by what they see here, and just to put this into context, you know, i can remember going through tactical training in the fbi. the vivid words of a senior swat instructor who said, look, when you are going through a door to try to save lives, the first person through that door, the second person through that door they, may not make it home that night. that's the nature of the job. we will take care of your family, but the third, the fourth, the fifth officer that goes through the door may be able to stop that threat. the final point i will make is, you know, in the fbi academy, i know their -- law enforcement academies

across the country. day one of training, you don't get instruction and firearms or, the law, or tactics. in the fbi and other training facilities, what they did is they brought us all into a room, all of the new recruits, in a dark room, we watched continual videos of law enforcement officers being shot in the line of duty. after that gruesome display was over, instructor stood in front of the room and said, look, this is a profession where you may die serving others. and if this is not for you, there is no shame in saying right now, this is not a job i can do. but there will be shame down the road if you make that decision when lives are on the line, when you're responsible for saving others. it appears, in looking at this incident in uvalde, this colossal failure by officers there, that at least some of the officers that were in that hallway, when it mattered most, they made the decision to put their own safety above the safety of a classroom filled with innocent, helpless children. >> you put it in such good context, josh, thank you so much for doing that. let's talk about the legal angle of this now. elliott williams is with us.

what are you expecting from this? there are some people we heard unnamed, sort of the lower rank and file. you heard the family say they wish that everyone had been named. and then you heard about the d a, who really has just kind of been intransigent. so, what are you expecting? >> all of the above. now first, just a backup. how this came to be from the justice department, this office that put out this report, community oriented policing services office, frankly, is one that i work with quite a lot. there are people that go and collaborative work with police departments. if you notice here, it was the mayor who first invited the justice department in, so it's not the folks in washington coming away wagging their figures, it's let's figure out how to make everything better. it's a great office and great, sharp folks there. >> because they didn't think they would get that from the state? >> yeah, and that happens sometimes. it really does. now, in terms of who is liable and who is not. i think there's a few different ways to see it. first of, civil liability. lawsuits against either institutions themselves. the police department, the city,

the school board, whatever else. look at all this -- city institutions. then individuals could be, you know, in their personal capacity, individual officers, first responders, for being negligent on the job, right? then put that aside, criminal liability is always a possibility if somebody was so negligent that their actions may be constituted as a crime, and that could happen as well. then the big one, and this is a politically fraught one, lawsuits, potentially, against firearms manufacturers. these come up with mixed success, but sometimes firearms manufacturers are sued for negligence, in the way they mark it and create their products. now again, that's a whole can of worms, but many people will try to do that before. these families, there's already a 27 billion dollar civil lawsuit filed against some of these, so we will see how those all shake out. >> when it comes to that kind of finding of liability against individual law enforcement officers or perhaps even the sheriff or other members of law enforcement in their response,

how strong is this 550, 575-page report? as a piece of evidence in a legal filing. >> so, it itself would not be evidence, but everything in the report is, itself, backed up somewhere else. i think you'd be hard-pressed to bring this 500-page document report and say, admit this, because a lot of it is going to be hearsay, which often is not admitted in court. now, everything in there is substantiated by interviews, conversations, and documents. literally, the receipts. and it is strong. it's damning and it's really bad for the city of uvalde. so, look at the big picture, i would assume what you see is a lot of settlements, rather than going to trial and facing potentially billions of dollars maybe, far lower numbers. then finally, one more. there are so many legal questions. this potential civil rights investigation here too that the uvalde police department so was negligent, that they violated the civil rights people to attend school, which is a red you have. you can be sued by the justice department for that as well. >> elliott, thank you so much for that and up next, we will

speak to a parent whose son survived on that tragic day in uvalde. we will see how they're reacting to this scathing report from the justice department, as we go to break, these are the murals that you heard doj officials referring to from uvalde, texas, of the victims from this tragedy. we will be right back.

today's federal report on uvalde describes how officials misled families in the and the public about what had happened during the shooting at robb elementary. how families were told their

loved one had survived when actually, they had died, and that the initial narrative officials told, the heroic first response, was a lie. joining us now is adam martinez. his son, zan, was eight years old when the tragedy unfolded. zion survived, but is struggling still from the trauma that he experienced that day. and adam, you have a podcast that you host now called karma corner, where you interview family members of uvalde shooting victims and others close to this tragedy. we thank you for that and for being with us here today to talk about this. as you look at this report, and i know it's long, you're still going through it, you have said you've wanted to know who was accountable for the failures. do you think the report answers that question? >> well, it's 500 pages of, you know, just proving that they were chicken, right? they chickened out. that's what it's saying, you know? but like attorney general garland says, this is very

valuable information, but it's only valuable for people that care, people that are actually going to do something, and how do we know that they're going to care now, you know? like, they say uvalde, i keep hearing that uvalde is healing, that's what i'm hearing, because there are murals, that were painted. i mean, you talk to the families, you listen to that podcast, you don't hear that there nearly, how do they heal when the same people that were in there -- they are winning? winning elections, you know, it's a slap in the family's face. and how do we move forward, you know? when there's so much division. they need to come together, uvalde needs to come together, and support the families. not these officials who didn't do anything. the officials who let our children down. >> we heard that loud and clear, that point you're making for the families today, that they aren't dealing, and that this is insult to their loss, to see

those folks still in those positions. this report does not make recommendations for punitive steps. what do you want to see? what do you want to see from the dea, even as, you know, the police chief here and the sheriff who are on scene have been called out by name? >> well first off, we can just assume that the dea is just going to do the right thing. we've seen that the city officials or government officials will not just do the right thing. they give false information, just like amy -- the poor teacher that they said propped the door open. when that was completely false, and they didn't apologize for that. so, we can't assume that they're just going to do the right thing. it takes pressure, you know? we, as a community, have to come together and put pressure on them to get answers. if we don't put pressure, nothing is going to happen. >> can you tell us a little bit about how life has changed for your son, and what that has

meant for your family since the uvalde shooting? >> i mean, it's very emotional. anytime i think about him. [crying] but what i can say is that he's doing better, but, i mean, it changed his life, it changed my life, but i mean, i still have him. >> you still have him and i know it's hard for you. i have read a lot about it. i know that you say he went from being bubbly to being quiet, that he couldn't sleep in his room for the longest time, and that he was afraid of the dark, and certainly, he has concerns about not being protected at school. that i'm sure persist. what are you hoping for him, as

he continues? and so many other kids in his situation in uvalde? yes, you still have him, but they have a lot of challenges ahead of them. what do you hope for him and for them? >> you know, i think children are resilient, so that's all we can hope for. now they're resilient and they make a change. they're the ones that we are going to count on because right now, things are not changing. so, those are the people, those are the kids that we're going to count on to make change. >> you, at one point, were banned from school district meetings. you had questioned a controversial new police higher. i know ultimately, you, through your own efforts, managed to get back into those meetings. you have this podcast i mentioned. you've become such an advocate, but i also know that you have lost friends over your advocacy for the victims. can you tell us about that? >> you know, people don't want

to step out of their comfort zone. it's uncomfortable when you have to, you know, say that this person didn't do their job, when you're next to him in church or, you know, you want to school with them. and so, it makes people feel uncomfortable, and they call us troublemakers, you know? like, we're troublemakers just because we want answers. so, you know, slowly, people i feel have come, they have come around, but you have to be accepted by certain people and slowly, they realize that what we're doing is not just to cause trouble, but all we want our answers. so, i feel that yeah, we've lost friends or, you know, but i think we have gained more support, and we continue to gain support. i just hope that people actually do the right thing. what mary mclaughlin did by wanting the doj to get involved, that took courage and you have to go against the grain, more people have to do that. >> adam, thank you so much for being with us today and talking

so openly. we wish the best for you and your wife, and for your kids on the path ahead. >> thank you. >> stay with us, we will be right back.

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defamation, damages trial against former president donald trump wrapped up her testimony today. e. jean carroll said on the stand that her status was, quote, lowered after suing trump for denying that he her. in may, a federal civil jury found trump sexually abused carroll several decades ago. the judge here has already established that that is a fact. the trial was now to determine how much the former president should pay carroll, who's seeking more than $10 million in damages. now, yesterday, the judge threatened to kick donald trump out of the courtroom for disruptive behavior. today, trump was not there. he's attending his mother-in-law's funeral in florida. let's get to cnn correspondent kara scannell, who's been following all twists and turns of this case. she's outside the federal courthouse in new york for us. so kara, an expert on damages just took the stand. what did he say? >> yeah, boris, so e. jean carroll call her expert on damages. that's what this trial is all about, how much donald trump may have to pay carroll if any

amount of money, to prepare her reputation. as a result of the statements that he made that the judge has already found to be defamatory. so, this witness is a professor at northwestern university and she testified that to repair carroll's reputation, it would cost between 7 million to 12 point $1 million. and that is not including any damages carroll could potentially be awarded for emotional damages or in punitive damages, which are to punish trump for making these statements. so, that's a pretty significant number. carol is suing for at least $10 million. now, this testimony is by this professor, who -- last year, she also testified in rudy giuliani's defamation case for the plaintiffs who won that case. now, her testimony at the directive had finishes before lunch. once we returned after the lunch break, then it will be trump's lawyers turn to cross examine the witness and challenge her findings. so, she is the second witness in this case, following e. jean carroll, who finished her

testimony earlier today. carol was on cross examination for most of the day. she was asked about if she really did face any negative impact from trump's statements. and she was asked specifically, are you more well-known now since he wrote this book and went public with these allegations,? because part of their theory has been that carole twitter followers have grown and that she makes more money now. and carroll testified, i'm more well-known, but i'm also hated a lot by a lot more people. that was one of the final statements that she made on the witness stand. so, once this damages expert finishes her testimony, carols team will be calling other witnesses. one of those witnesses carroll's former boss at l magazine, where she wrote her ask e. jean carroll column for many, many years. there's also the possibility that they will play the access hollywood tape, where trump makes statements about women. the judge has said he would allow that to let the jury hear trump's statements about women,

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it launched retell a tory strikes overnight in iran. yesterday pakistani officials say iranian missile strikes in pakistani territory killed two children. let's discuss what we're watching in the region now with navy commander, kirk lippold, thanks for being with us. you are the commanding officer of the uss cole when the ship was bombed in october 2000 by al-qaeda. i know you're watching very carefully what is happening. pakistan and iran trading airstrikes in the -- killed 100 people in iran, israel is fighting a war with hamas as houthis are targeting shipping lanes of the u.s. is responding. how are you seeing the developments that are happening at the same time, even if they are related. >> well brianna, first, thank you for having me on. when you look at what has happened, go to the center of gravity for all the issues that are occurring. it is iran. clearly iran is fueling --

feeling emboldened throughout the region to conduct strikes. now pakistan, claiming they're going after terrorists, a bit ironic when he really think about it given they are the number one state sponsor of terrorism. when you look at what has happened with yemen and the houthi rebels, disrupting maritime shipping in the red sea, i would look at the area between iran and pakistan right now. that may have just been a simple exchange, i don't foresee that really expanding much beyond that. they are kind of sending a signal to each other that hey, get your little terrorist groups that hate each other's countries, get them under control, tell them to stop cross border incursions. i don't think you're going to see a continuing expansion of the conflict in that area. >> we are seeing the u.s. now striking the iranian-backed houthi rebels in yemen for the fifth time here in a week. hours after the houthis struck a u.s.-owned and operated shipping vessel in the red sea. do you think the u.s. strikes really work as a deterrent or does this just create the

conflicts that the houthis so desperately want and need to rally yemenis to their cause? >> a couple of things to consider. number one, the strikes are necessary by the biden administration because they are sending a signal to the houthis that if you continue to disrupt international maritime shipping in the red sea, the strait of -- and the gulf of aden, there will be consequences. and we should continue those so that we can in fact disrupt the arm events that are shooting, the radar sites, the targeting ability of the houthis to do that. number two, you have to consider that at the end of the day, iran needs to be held accountable. just the other day, unfortunately we lost two navy seals and a boarding operation where we stopped the data that was full of equipment going to the houthi rebels. iran is behind this entire thing. it is going to be good. i think the biden administration did well to consider the next step, that is let's have a realization that

iran being behind all of the destruction in the middle east -- it is time for sanctions to be imposed. perhaps a more rigorous maritime operation along with our allies in the region. then, if necessary, let's start working at the long range plan for what we're going to do with iran and how we're going to deal with it, whether it is diplomatically, sanctions, god forbid it involves kinetic attacks on some of the key facilities that are facilitating the war in europe with russia and throughout the middle east. >> what would an increased maritime interdiction look like? >> what you would need to do is take the current operation that is going on, the operation prosperity guardian, and expand it further. so we can interject any vessel that is headed towards yemen to cut off the supply of weapons that may be coming through. additionally, work with other countries in the regions, specifically oman and the uae to make sure that there is no

illicit car boat coming through their countries that are then being transited across the desert in the southwest part of the arabian peninsula, getting to the houthis. we want to make sure that we completely cut off that illicit supply of arms. it is going to take a lot more than the united states. we do not have the naval forces in the region to be able to sustain that large interdiction operation, we should in fact expand with our allies that i -- can include the uk, the netherlands, another nations that are working with us in that operation prosperity guardian. >> it takes a lot. so much is at stake, as you mentioned. those navy seals at this point disappeared about a week ago. commander, thank you so much for being with us. we really appreciate it. >> thank you, breonna. >> the justice department issuing a damning new report, laying out the flawed response to the shooting that killed 19 children and two teachers at robb elementary school in uvalde, 20 months ago. stay with us for more on that.

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