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this is cnn breaking news. >> we are following breaking news out of the nation's capital. a small commuter plane which just took off from dulles airport landed on a bridge in a
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roadway. >> pretty amazing here. cnn's pete muntean joining us now as we look at these pictures. that is the plane there in the upper left hand side of this parkway. tell us what you are learning here. >> so you can see all the lights and sirens here from the loudoun county officials in virginia. this plane just took off from dallas international airport. to the northwest. apparently had a issue almost right away there were no better landing parts than the parkway there. put it down pretty easily it looks like we are hearing from the air traffic control audio that the pilot reported to the tower dulles two pilots and five passengers on board. apparently they are all okay. the latest from dulles international airport is that the airport is to open right now as they are starting the initial vaccination of. this you can kind of see the silhouette of the cessna caravan there. this is not a private plane. this is a commuter airliner, operated by a company called southern air waves express.
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they operate flights on the east coast between dulles -- this flight was on its way to lag esther, pennsylvania. only made it about 850 feet. according to the flight tracking data we have been able to look at already the plane made a little bit of a right turn, and a descending left turn to go south on the loudoun county parkway there. roads are often the last resort for pilots. if you have a bit of an engine problem learning jim failure, yet we go in the same speed as traffic. you have to find a opening there. a lot of other concerns. instead of landing on the runway, even though it looks like a runway, and we worried about wires, telephone poles, you have to be worried about street lights. obviously, there is a street light right there. it doesn't look like all that much damage to the airplane right now. although this is still preliminary, you can see the fire trucks and ambulances still rolling up to the scene. it's only happened less than an hour ago, according to the latest from international airport in the virginia department of transportation. that is what we can see on this traffic cam right now, live. >> pete, you noted a number of
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things there. one thing we have to mention, obviously, the weather in d.c.. >> it is tricky right now. >> especially for a small plane. as a pilot yourself, i'm wondering what kind of impact the snow we are seeing has there. >> obviously you need to be able to see where you're going to go to land. so, it doesn't seem like they were all that high. the visibility was at least good enough for them to see the road in front of them. so long as you can see it in line up with it, anything that looks like a runway you may as well try it. [laughs] the impossible turn is what it is called, typically, when you have a engine failure in a single engine airplane like this. it is not an airplane with two engines, it cannot be climbing you cannot keep flying on one. once the engine quits the airplane turns into a glider. using the potential energy have an altitude turning it into kinetic energy you have to land. if you try to turn back, you can be very dangerous. usually you try to make terance only a little bit to the left, a little bit to the right. in this case it was a left turn straight right up with the loudoun county parkway. a very successful one, at that. this is what the faa is calling
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a hard landing. i would call it a good landing. anyone who can walk away. from this one is pretty good. hats off to the crew for doing such a good job. >> i would say so a glider in a snowstorm. there is another storm we want to talk to you about that pretty frightening incident we are following out of miami just moments after takeoff there. a boeing cargo jet force to make a fiery emergency landing after an engine malfunction. >> when it rains it pours on this beat this is something that happened late last night. atlas air cargo fly, a 7:40 78 freighter just took off for miami international airport around 10:40 last night. over a neighborhood in miami beach. someone captured this you can see the lie -- and sparks trailing. we know, initially, from the faa there was a post flight inspection done on this plane after another successful emergency landing. a bit of a theme there. they were able to tell that there was a softball-sized hole in the engineer the second engine, the number two engine.
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on a 7:47 there are four engines. this is the engine close to the fuselage on the left wing. you can see there. -- the question now is whether or not this was a bird strike. whether not that softball-sized hole was because of something else. debris from the engine failure itself. i want you to listen now to the air traffic control audio and the calm of the crew declaring an emergency to the air traffic control is back in miami. saying, we need to come back inland. listen. >> may day, may day. 9095 and one fire, five souls on board. we have but -- >> they came back in and landed on runway nine there in miami. no problem to the airplane or the crew. everyone is able to walk away from this one okay. run by atlas air. an airline you may not have heard of. although they do have a lot of airplanes. the most 7:40 sevens of any
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carrier in the world right now. they took delivery of the last 747 off the queen of the skies only back a year ago almost exactly to the day. they are flying everywhere mostly overnight. that is exactly what you saw here. they were able to handle this engine issue and fire parties early, putting it back on the ground. >> that is good news. you mentioned, pete being on the aviation be keeps you busier times. there was another issue with a whole other play not that long ago. is this related to the max 9 issue at all? >> it happens to be related only because they are boeing airplanes. other than that it is the only similarity here. the issue that happened on alaska flight 12 82. a max nines, relatively new plane. this plane was built in 2015 this may come down to an engine issue. the faa investigating. they will of course we'll talk to general electric, who is a company who built the engine of this 747. in the incident in miami. not to be confused with the
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last airline incident in oregon two weeks ago today. >> a lot of incidents. we need to slow down the airlines. >> just stop! it stop! it >> thanks, anytime. >> things are heating up in new hampshire with a big primary coming on tuesday. as the campaign calendar runs parallel to in collides with donald trump's courtroom calendar, attorney general merrick garland is sending out a clear message about this unprecedented test to the nation's justice system. >> that's right. in a cnn exclusive garland says he agrees with the special counsel's call for his priti tile in the trump's aversion election case. he argues that the public interest requires. it we have cnn chief legal affairs correspondent, paula reid, on this forest. paula, it is a touchy issue. they don't say election, ray? they have been saying that, he hasn't said. i think we know that is sort of what they are getting at. there should be something the voters get to see before the election. >> absolutely. that is what they have said, indirectly. even folks on trump's legal team have conceded, yes, absolutely. we know the special counsel trying to bring this before the
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november 2024 election there are two big questions. okay, how will form or are you willing to start a trial? how far into the election cycle, right? historically the justice department has had a rule not to take any investigative steps in cases that are in any able to influence the election. but those are investigative steps. it doesn't necessarily apply to a trial. once again, it is a place we have never been before when it comes to a potential presidential candidate. that is what they are trying to get out with the attorney general. one, is there a cutoff for how that you would allow the special counsel to be a trial? and also this other question of duty to laundering these cases to get folks into this time crunch? let's take a listen to what the attorney general told our colleague. >> is there a date in your mind where it might be too late to bring these trials to fruition?
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again, to stay out of the way of the elections as a department policy? >> you know what i say and which is the cases were brought last year. the prosecutor has urged a speedy trial. with which i agree. and is now in the hands of a traditional system, not in our hands. >> looking back now, do you think the department took too long to bring these cases, maybe? >> the special prosecutors follow the facts. they brought cases when they thought they were ready. >> that is pretty much a standard answer for most questions related to the special counsel. he is not willing to weigh in on the question of, hey, did you take too much time? did you put yourself in a position where it is possible that these cases, we knew there would be litigation. we knew that there would be appeals. and you know how late in the counter would you be open to a trial starting in august, or
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september. then you could have nominee for the presidency having to sit in a courtroom. it is a really difficult situation. something the attorney general would, likely, probably, want to avoid. we gave him a chance to weigh, in he opted not to. >> there is an issue of timing at three when trump may be tried if it goes that direction. there's also the question of whether he's going to appear on the primary ballot in certain. states the supreme court win now. any word on the court's decision? >> there will be oral arguments on this in early february. this is huge. this is the biggest supreme court case be have had since bush v. gore. the question is whether states can remove trump from the bow based on section 3 of the 14th amendment. the so-called insurrectionist ban. last night the trump team filed their brief before the supreme court expanding on the argument that they are going to make before the justices in just a few weeks they argue, look, you cannot strip voters of their choice of candidate.
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quote, doing that would threaten to disenfranchise tens of millions of americans and promised to unleash chaos and bedlam if other state courts and state officials follow colorado's lead. exclude the likely republican presidential nominee from their ballots. of course, this is an appeal of the collar supreme court decision to remove him from the ballot. some folks really emphasize the language. they're and bedlam being unleashed. that echoes, of course, the things trump said in the lead off to january 6th that helped promote violence. it is also true that if the supreme court were to allowed each of the 50 states to handle this issue, in terms of who appears on the ballots, individually, it would be chaotic. it would be incredibly confusing. which is why we do expect a supreme court to will weigh in here. of all of trump's legal cases and legal issues this is the one where most legal experts agree he has the greatest chance of success. it is expected the justices will be unlikely to issue a sweeping ruling that would take
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away the choice from voters. especially based on this constitutional language. courts within the same states can't agree on what it means. this is a huge case to watch. >> we will be watching. it paula, thank you so much for taking us through all that. just four days before the republican primary now in new hampshire. a potential boost for the candidate who, polls show does not need it. that, of course, is the former president. a source saying tonight he will be endorsed by senator tim scott of south carolina. >> notably a state that nikki haley's campaign has high expectations for. she was governor there, right? today she, trump, and ron desantis are all stumping in new hampshire, trying to win over undecided voters. haley showing a strong showing at the state, which has a longer share of independents and moderates, will set the stage for a two-person race between her and trump the rest of the way. let's go now to cnn's elena trini and omar jimenez on the trail in new hampshire. alina, let's start with you. how big a blow is this endorsement by tim scott to nikki haley?
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>> reporter: well, it is a massive blow, boris and breonna. look the two of them hail from the same state, south carolina. a state that nikki haley and her campaign rain much, as you mentioned, have high expectations for. remember, haley when she was governor of south carolina was the one who actually appointed tim scott to the senate in 2012. his endorsement was highly coveted by all of these candidates. i know from our conversations with trump's advisers that they have been talking and pursuing tim scott's endorsement for several weeks. the timing here was really interesting to know. also part of why this was a blow to haley. he could've waited until south carolina to roll out this endorsement of donald trump. he's doing it just four days before the new hampshire primary where haley and her team have very high expectations, as well, for how she will perform in the state. by giving his endorsement so early it does allow the trump campaign to try to paint her as not being viewed as highly by
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some members of her own state. i also want to point out how donald trump and his team may want to use tim scott on the trail. his endorsement is one thing. also having him as a potential surrogate would also be a huge boost to the trump campaign. we know they are relying heavily on other surrogates from south carolina. things like governor mcmaster and senator graham talk attack haley. in the efforts to beat her when it comes closer to new hampshire. i think a big endorsement for donald trump. yes, definitely a blow for nikki haley's campaign. >> she's saying i guess, the fellows are gonna do what the fellows are gonna do. that is her reaction to it? >> that's roy. we just got a statement from the haley campaign responding to this. she said, quote, interesting that trump lines up with all the washington insiders when he claimed he wanted to drain the swamp. but the fellows are gonna do
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what the fellas are gonna do. that is how haley has framed the. she has used this language before when trying to take shots at donald trump. trying to paint him as not the outsider as he would want to be seen but as part of the washington establishment. in doing so she is also painting tim scott as that, as well. look he is being backed by people who have long been in the establishment. a key senator. that is how she's framing this. i also want to mention that she was asked about this, as well. this expected endorsements night when she was leaving a diner earlier at a campaign stop. asked by reporters, what was her response? she initially dodged those questions. she said she didn't really want to answer. she was waiting to see what he would do. a much stronger reaction in that statement that we received just a moment ago. >> trump stepping up his attacks on her right? >> he is. i think there is a lot of reasons for it. trump has been escalating his attacks on the campaign trail, as well as in several interviews.
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virtually every chance he has to undercut or he is taking. that is for a couple of reasons. his team is closely watching how nikki haley is doing in the. polls watching her narrow the gap with him in the state. that is a concern to the trump campaign according to my conversations with their team. the other complicating factor is they acknowledge that new hampshire is a very different style of a primary. very different from iowa. it is a primary, not a caucus. they also allow undeclared voters, they are term for independent voters, to vote and participate in the primary. that is a concern for trump's campaign. they recognize that, poll after poll, shows that nikki haley does very well with those independent and moderate voters. looking to attack or any chance they can and try to undercut her with that voting bloc. >> let's go to omar. now omar, you are in goffstown a hampshire. there was supposed to be a debate there last night they got canceled. haley has been sharpening her criticisms of donald trump,
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specifically, for not debating her, dogging her on the debate stage, right? >> well, we are expecting, you are right, there was supposed to be it to be here last. night there is even still signage advertising the debate happening here. that gives you an idea of how much there was an expectation for this to happen. ron desantis is getting ready to have an event here. a press availability a little later this afternoon. where, based on his previous comments, i suspect he will likely mention the fact that he was the only person who agreed to debate on thursday night. the reason why it, essentially, it didn't happen was trump was invited. he has ducked all debates through the campaign cycle. nikki haley made the decision after iowa that the next time she would debate was either going to be with former president trump onstage or, if she were to be the nominee, against current president joe biden. that is why that did not happen. now in this final stretch haley
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has been training her aim specifically on the person to beat here, the former president. take a listen to what she had to say this morning. >> there are multiple instances that we need to stop acting donald trump to questions. stop taking what he is saying to be golden. the fact that donald trump is lying, it's another reason he won't debate me. he knows i will call him out on it. >> her campaign has postured that because he is trained so much of her attention on her he's clearly feeling threatened by her. i should note it is a shift in tone frailey criticizing trump and biden together as one. yesterday we really saw for the first time her going directly at trump and staying on him when she aims that way. >> omar jimenez, elena trini, from new hampshire, thank you both. let's discuss now with veteran pollster and communications strategist, frank lunds. he is also new hampshire. frank, thanks so much for sharing part of your afternoon
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with us. this tim scott endorsement of donald trump, haley reacting to it saying the fellas are going to do with the fellas are going to do, effectively. how big of this in the calculus not only in new hampshire but in south carolina, as well? >> the truth is it doesn't matter at all in new hampshire. it matters to a tremendous degree in south carolina. tim scott is, probably, the most popular politician in south carolina. his word means something. people attend his events. he is very credible. i'm sure that the haley campaign is hurting right now. they were looking to get that senator to make that endorsement. >> it has got to her. i know that you spoke to voters before and after the town hall here. what were some of the biggest takeaway that you got their frank? >> looking for clarity, they are not looking for soundbites anymore. new hampshire rates tend to
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make the decision in the last week. that's exactly why they showed up for the cnn town hall. for the most part they really did not like what they heard. here is to challenge for her. the trump vote is so intense in the sessions that have been held over the last 48 hours that there is no weakening among them. they have to pick up everyone who isn't donald trump, backing donald trump. it is very hard to do. you can't get that 1 to 1 confrontation going. second, a whole lot of people who voted for her will not vote for donald trump in november. i think that is significant. it suggests that there are biden people who won't back him. there are trump people who won't pack him there is a lot of shifting going on in the american electorate as they begin to take this presidential race seriously. it is more than just what the candidates say. it is what the voters want to hear. there is a large segment of new
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hampshire voters who are independent, not allied, it they don't know who they are going to vote for in november. not alone next tuesday night. >> i want to pull on the threat of the first point that you made about that entrenchment of support with folks who are aligned with donald trump. it contrasts with something nikki haley said last night that stood out to me. she said, essentially, for voters, quote, at the end of the day it is the drama, the vengeance, the vindictiveness that we want to get out of the way. for many trump supporters the theme of retribution is strong. not just for losing in 2020 but, in their eyes, for being if that banned him by the establishment. that goes back to 2015, right? >> you are correct about that. in fact, that is going to be one of the hardest things for us analysts to track overtime. it really is not what the candidates say, it is what the voters here. it isn't about the tone or demeanor of the candidates. it is about the tone and demeanor of the voters.
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make no mistake, number one, they believe the future will be more difficult on the president. number two they are very afraid for their children. number three, inflation is not transitory. to them affordability really does matter. number four, they are struggling to find somebody that they trust. some source that they can really grab onto to know what is really happening. and what these candidates will really do. i've been doing this now for 30 years. i've never seen this level of anxiety, concern, and frankly, frustration in the political process. >> yeah. that says a law. frank, thank you so much, frank, for talking with us. we are going to see where folks shake out on primary day. it is going to be very interesting and, potentially, very consequential. >> thank you. >> still ahead, we continue to follow breaking news here. these are new still pictures of
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a small commuter plane. this is a commercial plane. a commuter plane. here it took off from dulles airport, one of the biggest airports here in the area of washington d.c.. it landed on a roadway. >> plus, the future of iconic magazine sports illustrated now up in the air. this after the owner of the magazine, and website, laid off most of its staff.
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this just in, major news about a historic publication. the future of sports illustrated is now uncertain. >> today we are learning this iconic magazine and website has laid off most, probably all, of its union represented staff. let's get to cnn's oliver darcy on the story. tell us what is going on, all over. >> reporter: it is a really sad day for people who grew up with sports illustrated, like myself. what's going on, it is a bit confusing. basically the publisher of this magazine did not own the rights, outright, to publish sports illustrated. those rates belong to another company called authentic brands
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group. the publisher, arena group, they missed payments for the publishing rights to publish this magazine. as a result, the company that actually owns those rights has revoked this company's ability to publish the magazine. as a result of that arena group, which was publishing it, says it is laying off its staff. it is unclear whether the owner of the actual publishing rates for sports illustrated is going to step in here and try to revive this paper. the staff is, obviously, calling for that. right now the owner is not saying anything. the future of this iconic sports magazine is really in jeopardy. >> all right, all of our. it is really sad. very sad. thank you, so much, for that update. oliver darcy. wayfair also announcing job cuts today. this is bad news here. the company says it is laying off more than 1600 of its employees, which amounts to 13% of wayfair's global workforce. >> the cuts come just weeks
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after ceo niraj sean bluntly told employees they should work harder, longer, and more intensely. that laziness would not be rewarded. his comments, of course, sparked a viral backlash. let's bring in cnn consumer reporter, if a new meyersohn. nathaniel, the employees were told to work harder. the company then announcing layoffs. why is we're doing this? >> just a month later, boris, after this memo. wayfair is saying it over higher during the pandemic. it has too many employees. it is going to cut 13% of its staff. that will impact about 1650 employees. it is doing this to save money. a look at the message this sends. the ceo told him to work harder, screw the work life alianza. months later, right after the holiday, they are firing employees. wayfair is gonna have to go out and hire employees in the future. what type of message to this send to recruiting? also existing employees?
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just a mess here we have that wayfair. >> it's annual mayer thin. a mess, indeed. thank you so much for the update. still ahead, we are learning that president biden to spoke with israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu. it comes just after the israeli leader said he would be opposed to the two-state solution. the creation of a palestinian state, after the war. something that is directly at odds with u.s. policy. we will discuss in just moments.
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to that fatal 2021 shooting on the set of the film rust. >> cnn's josh campbell joining us now on this along with legal analyst, reba martin. josh, first to you, tell us what we now hear. >> once again, alec baldwin now criminally charged, once again. we had been reporting earlier on after that fatal shooting in 2021 that the actor have been criminally charged. those charges were then dropped. prosecuted at the time said that that was because new evidence came to light in the case, causing questions about a piece of evidence. law enforcement sources at the time told me that that was because they learned the weapons that was used in the shooting he had been modified in some form. again, those charges have been dropped. prosecutors at the time said though that if they gathered new information, determining culpability on the part about baldwin they would then possibly refile charges. we are learning today that that did indeed happen. a grand jury in the state of new mexico returning this to
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count indictment. our due to two charges specifically. count one is for involuntary manslaughter, negligent use of a firearm. count two, involuntary manslaughter without due caution or circumspection. the original prosecutor in the case told me that is part of this lead the investigation authorities have determined that there was a culture of unsafe practices on the set of that movie. past reports of accidental discharges. it is worth pointing out actor alec baldwin all along has indicated that he did not pull the trigger on that weapon. he has maintained his innocence. he we just got a statement, a short statement, from baldwin tierney saying that they look forward to their day in court. again, the breaking news now, actor alec baldwin, once again, criminally charged in the fatal shooting on the set of the movie rust, in 2021, which killed cinematographer, halyna hutchins. >> how are you reacting to this? >> these are stunning turns of
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event. breonna, we know alec baldwin probably thought that this case was completely done once the other prosecutors that were assigned to the case dropped the charges against him. we know he has been publicly talking about the case. he has maintained his innocence. now to be re-charged with some of the same evidence and the same gun, the same issue that the prior prosecutors had with respect to the gun, this issue, having been mishandled or somehow damaged by the fbi, is going to be interesting to see how this new team of prosecutors are able to establish the evidence necessary to get a conviction in this case. you still have this gone that was somehow mishandled by the fbi. a central piece of evidence. >> the interesting part about this, areva, is officials have not been able to determine how the live ammunition found its way into that 45 caliber revolver. manufactured by this italian
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company that specializes in the kinds of reproductions used on films, like rust. how does that, potentially, complicate the process approving in court that baldwin is guilty of two counts of involuntary manslaughter? >> it is going to be challenging, boris. the prosecutors will have to prove willful disregard. you are right, not only have the investigators and prosecutors not been able to determine how live bullets, live ammunition, and ended up in the gun, they don't even know how live ammunition ended up on the set. that is still a on the answer question. they have not been able to, even though the armorer, who has also been charged, set to go to trial starting in february. apparently she has not provided any information to law enforcement about how that live a munition arrived on that set. look, we know that people should not be killed in the making of a movie. this is a tragedy that should've never happened.
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two people have been charged. now with alec baldwin, a third person is being charged. clearly someone is responsible for the death of mitch hutchins. the investigation seems to have been so shoddy that it is not clear to me that anyone will be held criminally responsible. >> josh, how much can endanger things? you have, at least in this kind of legal accounting, so many people held accountable. it is really unclear which one should be. >> that is a great question. i posted to prosecuted early on. they say they will conduct this investigation and hold accountable anyone they believe was responsible. it is worth pointing out that after these initial charges came out we heard from numerous legal experts who are quite stunned actually. we can understand charging someone who was responsible for a live round being in that gone. but there has been this question about an actor, someone who was told on set, allegedly, by one of the prop
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masters that this weapon was, quote, cold. it did not have any type of ammunition in it. that person who handed to alec baldwin. this will be a central part of alec baldwin's defense. two parts. first, should an actor be responsible for than checking the gun? knowing the difference between a live round of ammunition any, so, called dummy around? we know there was a live round of ammunition in there, ultimately. there was also the question about the integrity of the gun itself. whenever the fbi was brought in to conduct an analysis of this gun the did multiple tests on the weapon. the central question there was, could this gun go off if i like baldwin did not pull the trigger? of course, he claimed all along he did not pull the trigger. the fbi determined through their testing that that gun could not have fired unless someone actually pull the trigger. as areva mentioned, the con was destroyed during the course of that texting. i read through a lengthy report
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from the fbi analysts in quantico. what they indicated was, this isn't all gone. not a prop gun, an actual functioning weapon. through the course of multiple rounds of testing, pieces inside the gun ultimately failed causing destruction. that is what alex baldwin's team seized on. look the gun itself, there were problems with it. i went back to law enforcement, to the prosecutors asking -- being indicated at the time that the weapon was used on that set. it is believed that it could not have been fired without anyone actually pulling the trigger. i think, finally, as you look at these charges, this all seems to center around negligence. right in count one. negligent use of a firearm. if you are someone who is in position of a functioning firearm and you pointed at someone, you manipulate that weapon, whether it is the trigger with a hammer on the gun it goes off and someone dies, are you responsible? prosecutors here saying, ultimately, yes. . or i should say the grand jury coming in saying, yes, alec
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baldwin should be indicted on those criminal charges. we will wait and see what happens next with the prosecution. there is always this question about, early on, whether alec baldwin would plead to anything. his team was adamant that he wasn't pleading to anything. he determined and innocent charge. the statement we just got from his attorney says they look forward to have their day in court. the final point, which areva started, the original prosecutors from the team that filed charges,, prosecutors had all kinds of issues. at one point there was one person that was brought on to the prosecution team. it was actually a republican legislator in new mexico is also working on the case. the baldwin team crowd fouled there. the snacks of politics. bottom line, a new special prosecution team was brought in. that was the team that ultimately presented to the grand jury the grandeur found that yes out baldwin should be indicted on two counts. >> josh and areva. so it goes on.
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we will continue to follow along with you. stay with cnn news central. we will be right back.
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the white house says president biden spoke with israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, today. it is the first time the two leaders have spoken in nearly a month. the tiny is really interesting here. yesterday, netanyahu rejected a two-state solution. of course, a taco the biden administration. more forcibly than we have seen him do before. with language that is causing a huge outcry. -- a former director for syria and lebanon at the national security council under national obama. she is with us now.
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netanyahu said israel must rule everything west of the jordan river. which evoked this idea of from the river to the sea. that is how some people read the translation, from hebrew. it has been condemned. this idea of the river to the sea is a genocidal rallying cry, of palestinian supporters. tell us what the effect of netanyahu's comments have been. >> well, i'm not entirely surprised that netanyahu didn't jump on this idea of joining this peace process right now. he is in the middle of this war. he is in the middle of the most intense part. i think that will die down soon. given his previous stances, he has never really been in favor of a two-state solution. that has only gotten worse since the last time the peace process fell apart in 2014 under president obama. by the way, i was in the nfc at that time. i saw a lot of the behind the scenes there. on one hand, that didn't really surprise me. on the other hand, in a recent poll done by israel democracy
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institute, only 15% of israelis say they want netanyahu to stay on after the war ends. i know defining the end of this world is a little bit murky but with that said when you have actual support that kind of invalidates what he's saying. while i do believe he believes this, coming off the heels of this horrific terrorist attack, they still have over 100 hostages in gaza. i don't think his statement is very credible. he is certainly not gonna get the support from the united states or other regional leaders at the time. >> to your point there, there is so much internal opposition to him. he's facing corruption and bribery charges. israel's war minister says elections are needed. fresh elections are needed because israeli to not trust him. aided barack writing a new op-ed saying there needs to be new elections because he is warning netanyahu strategy will lead israel in a gaza quagmire. it risks eroding the american backing of israel.
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how much do you see that happening? the erosion of that backing? >> on one hand israel will always remain a non-nato ally of the united states. that is been the case since 1987. i do not see that fundamentally changing. that support of the united states toward israel. with that said it doesn't mean that things could get more difficult. you are going to see more conversations on capitol hill, for example. related to whether not the and conditions to the aid that they provide israel. i will add that politics in israel has always been very volatile. they change prime minister's very often. i would expect elections to be held soon. i would expect netanyahu to lose them. even if he drags the war on a bit it is going to shift from high intensity to low intensity operations relatively soon, in the next month or so. at that point even if you have hostages remaining it does not mean that the israelis may not elect a new leader. >> let's talk about this affecting joe biden. politically he is taking a
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major hit right now. the senior u.n. official telling cnn about what -- if we took such statements as the final word they would be no humanitarian assistance going into gaza, no humanitarian assistance. john kirby at the white house said biden in this call was relating the importance of a two-state solution. they are publicly breaking with him there. >> they are, but that's not the first time. i will say that judging by how things work in the peace process back in 2012, 13, 14. netanyahu always appeared more flexible behind the scenes than he did publicly. that was part of his tactic. i know that things are different. now i think it would be harder to come by in the peace process. and he is dealing with a different cabinet and government, of course. polling in israel is also changing very rapidly. before this time back in 2021 both palestinians and israelis were not really that in favor of a two-state solution. neither really felt that either side would recognize the other
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states independents. and you already see polling changing since october 7th. it would be interesting to see where our israelis and palestinians themselves? where do they stand on this? netanyahu himself, what does he believe? i want to understand believed and when the biden administration. the only solution is a two-state solution. blinken's trip across the middle east seems to show that regional leaders also agree with that. >> the trouble for biden's voters here his supporters, are very much taking netanyahu at his word, even if he does tend to be more flexible behind the scenes
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