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top of the 18 inches last weekend. >> i look out the window and i'm looking at a cheese greater. just nonstop. >> reporter: so much snow the buffalo bills are offering to pay fans $20 an hour to shovel snow off their stadium in orchard park before the playoff game. in portland the storm downed power lines. one live wire tragically killing three people who stepped out of their car. a nine-month old baby was saved by a bistander. >> i wasn't thinking like, oh, i could be electrocuted. i was more so thinking like i have to grab this baby. >> wolf, still a little bit of snow left on the map right now. also still some snow developing in parts of kentucky. it's the cold. the cold will affect us tonight. frigid weather, wind chill factors again 30 to 40 degrees below zero tonight. wolf? >> chad myers, thank you very,
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very much. and to our viewers thanks for watching. erin burnett out front starts right now. out front next, nikki haley gets personal going after trump like we have not seen her do before. and for the first time saying vp is off the table. will this hail mary work? plus breaking news. the fulton county d.a. who's investigating trump now facing an inquiry herself amid allegations her lead prosecutor used public funds to pay for lavx out-of-state trips for the two of them. and the real economy. a special series on what millennials are saying about the economy, zwrugling multiple jobs, still not making ends meet, dreading going to college at all. let's go out front. and good evening, i'm erin burnett. out front tonight off the table. nikki haley leaving no ambiguity over whether she'll be trump's vice president saying today and i quote her, i have said from the very beginning i don't play for second, i don't want to be
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anyone's vice president, that is off the table. now, off the table those words and clarity on this particular issue is new. and in the final days before the new hampshire primary assuaging trump. >> he knows i know what his lies are. that is a lie. that a lie. >> haley today taking on trump like we have never seen her do before. the question is whether it is too late. and tonight she's attacking trump again. by the way, what you're looking at her is her speaking at her sixth campaign event of the a day. trump and desantis both in new hampshire as well and both about to speak as well. haley has the most to gain and most to lose when new hampshire voters hit the polls on tuesday. a win would transform her campaign and this race. a loss could end the primary season and declare trump the de facto nominee. kiley atwood is out front live.
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you've been talking to voters there all day. and when we talk about the stakes, they are the ones who will make this decision. what are they telling you? >> reporter: well, listen, erin, we focused in on conversations with female voters here today. they called nikki haley fresh and exciting, but bear in mind we were at haley events, so most of them were either already supporting her or considering very seriously supporting her. but they told us they have groups of female friends who are also all voting for trump. so it'll be really interesting to see how this group of the electorate, the female voting bloc breaks on tuesday night. nikki haley courting all new hampshire voters, women included. some saw it as an opportunity to take her by the hand and deliver a blunt message. others unexpectedly stumbling upon haley's event sat back and wat
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watched her work the room, feeling inspired to cast the ballot for the former carolina governor at the end of their tea, driven by a desire to move on from trump. >> i thought he was a fresh voice. i thought he was bringing something new into the kbuchlt, but i also now feel like he's much too divisive. >> reporter: she's not the only new hampshire woman we spoke with planning to shift support from trump to haley. >> i did vote for trump. >> reporter: trump has been ramping up his attacks on the woman he once chose to serve in his administration. he has used well-worn tactics, calling her nicknames, using her birth name, nimarata, to criticize her on social media, and promoting the falsehood about haley's eligibility to serve as president despite being born in the united states. he's also questioned her ability to lead the republican party. >> she's not going to make it. she has no chance, got no way. if she wins, biden wins. >> reporter: new hampshire women shrugged off those attacks saying they're really nothing new for trump.
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>> it's just a primal instinct to lash out and choose lies, promote lies. if you were a cornered animal you would -- but instead he's using words so whatever. >> reporter: those looking to haley just want something new explain lindsey moss who came to see haley with her mother and her two young children. >> i think it's good to bring some feminine power to our country and just a different mind-set because i don't think what we have going on has gone so well right now. >> reporter: while haley speaks of being a mother and a wife on the campaign trail, she's avoided making her female identity central to her pitch. >> may the best woman win. all kidding aside, this is not about identity politics. i don't believe in that. and i don't believe in glass ceilings either. >> reporter: and it's an approach that's gained her respect. >> she's been a legislator, a governor, a u.n. ambassador. she's an accountant. she's a mom, she's a daughter. she has friends. so she understands people in a different way.
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>> reporter: but so far being the only woman in the republicanp race has not translated to an outsized female support. in the iowa caucuses cnn entrance polls showed haley lagging far behind trump among women. whether she can close the gap in new hampshire may determine how much of a challenge she poses to trump on tuesday night. now, nikki haley has said she wants to do better here in new hampshire than she did in iowa where she came in third place, more than 30 points behind former president trump. and of course she's going to be barnstorming the state over the course of the next few days, just four days from the primary here in new hampshire. of course trying to make that aspiration a reality. >> all right, kiley, thank youv. i want to go now to matthew bartlett, and jennifer horn. bakari sellers, democratic former south carolina state representative who served with nikki haley is going to be joining us in just a minute as
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well. let me start with you. obviously kiley making it very clear she was speaking to women near the haley rally, so these were people considering voting for her or already were. so she was very cler to be transparent on that. as you look across the state, does haley have a real opportunity to make in-roads among women voters, to do something significant there in new hampshire? >> well, i think she's got a number of different opportunities, but up until she hasn't really shown -- she hasn't really shown the willingness or, you know, just hasn't shown she's able to take advantage of a lot of these opportunities. you know, republican voters tend not to go for the idea of let's look for someone because they'll be the first woman, because they'll be the first african american. it's just not as persuasive an issue for republicans especially, you know, the base of the party primary voters. and to be honest with you, i think when you look at how -- i think your reporter referenced, you know, the women in iowa.
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when you look at how republican women have voted consistently when donald trump has been on the ballot, it is quite surprising, frankly, in face of the misogyny and chauvinistic triggers that he brings to his language constantly. it is surprising the degree to which republican women continue to stay with donald trump. >> it certainly is. and matthew, you heard kiley mention some of what trump said about haley. he calls her nimarata, one of her birth names. by the way, it's nimarata nikki. nikki is also her name. one has to be clear about that sort of thing. he's questioned whether she's eligible. of course she was born in the united states. and then he said things like this about her on stage. >> now they're pushing -- you know who that is nikki haley. she's not tough enough to deal
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with these people. i will tell you she's not tough enough. >> as someone who worked in the trump administration, so you've got context on this, matthew. are you surprised by the language trump is using to attack haley who served in his administration, that this is obviously gender to say the least? >> no, it's not surprising. this is the m.o. of the former president. it's silly, sophomoric, somewhat stupid. it might resonate with some in his base, but right now nikki haley is inside right now with one of the biggest crowds she has. and this state is full of independent voters including very strong independent women. so nikki haley is making her case out there right now as kiley said, there are three nights left. i am unsure how much donald trump's attacks, you know, will change people's minds right now. he has always been one to -- to kind of lay into people. but let's remember she's a tea party darling for 2010 that did
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so well in south carolina, a very conservative state that he asked her to go serve an american first policy at the u.n. which she did successfully. >> bakari, in this context how well she did in polls, manu raju reported monday night tim scott was in discussions with trump as to whether he would endorse haley weeks from now ahead of south carolina to stop her there. and the whole thing sped up because of the momentum trump perceived her to have in new hampshire. and so now tim scott, who nikki haley appointed as a senator from the state of south carolina, of course you know them both. you're deeply steeped in politics there. scott coming out and doing this, what does it mean for her personally? >> well, personally i know she's livid. and the fact is she appointed tim scott to a position that he has right now, and so personally i know that this does not rub her the right way. i look at this in two ways. first tim scott.
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tim scott is making a strategic decision to be vice president of the united states. it's a shrewd decision and one any politician probably in his position would make. it kind of eliminates some of your friends for a greater goal in this mind, and i think he's just reading the tea leaves like most people are this is donald trump's race to lose. and let me just say he'll be a formidable vice president if he's the nominee for that position. i disagree with tim on every ounce of politic. i can't disagree with the person that he is. i tell people all the time i would never vote for him scott, but if he needed a kidney i would give it to him. with nikki this highlights one of her greater faults to be completely honest with you. this just shows the people who know nikki best like her at least, and this is a problem that she has. when people get to know her, it's the inability to stand for something. this is a sharp blow. in south carolina this is a blow that will resonate loudest because this is something tim is not somebody to rock a boat. people may see the calculation
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as being vice president but they'll also see this as an indictment of nikki. listen, what i don't want to do is be on the other end of nikki haley's text messages tonight. because she is having a fit, she's livid, and going to say her mind to a bunch of people in south carolina. >> in this context one of the most notable and long time political analysts out there tweeted something today that caught my attention. it's this. isn't it amazing how quickly the air went out of the nikki haley for president balloon. high-flying before iowa, now preparing for crash landing in new hampshire say all the pundits who saw a path to victory for her just a few days ago. look, you know, we're looking at two things. we're looking at matthew says, you know, the biggest crowd she's had yet and also this tim scott blow happening and the conversations larry refers to are indeed happening. pundits are pundits, though. do you see this as a deflating balloon or not? >> i'm afraid that i do. and with all due respect to matthew's experience and his time in new hampshire as well, i
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don't see nikki haley as i suggested earlier, she's not doing what she needs to do in order to defeat donald trump in new hampshire. and you can look at the polls, look at merris when it came out today, the daily tracking from suffolk. she's too far behind at this point in my opinion. the last time i looked i think she was down by 14, 15 points. what she would need to do to overcome that is do something extraordinary and bold, and she continues to run a very cautious campaign. >> let me ask you about that, matthew, because i don't know exactly what you're referring to when you say that, jennifer, but i can think of some things. for example, chaos follows him about trump instead of indirectly indicting him for that chaos, just examples like that. matthew, on that list this flirtation with the vp, i don't want to be anyone's number two but refusing to directly take it off the table and say i will
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never do it until now. do you think that is enough that is at this point classified as extraordinary or not? >> i mean, she is in a very hard position here in the granite state. you're right, she's the number two. but more importantly she's running against an incumbent president. but she needs to contrast with donald trump but in a way that gets some of his voters towards him. so she needs to work, you know, with a magnet as opposed to a spear. if laying into donald trump was going to get you the nomination, chris christie would have had this thing wrapped up a while ago. she needs to maintain those independent voters and also attract some of the base republican voters not just here in new hampshire but onto the south carolina and nationally if this is going to be a race. >> bakari, one thing that strikes me and this she's been consistent on every single time since the beginning is that she does better in polling in a general election than trump. it's been a way to say vote for her on electability without slamming him. and yet, bakari, in a state
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where that could make all the difference, independents could just come over and vote for her and put her over the top. it could be very easy, the polls don't show it happening. we'll see what happens. but it's clearly not happening in advance of the vote. does that surprise you? >> look, if i've got someone beating me out for incumbent president by 17 points and i'm beating someone in a neck and neck race that is just silly to me. but i will take silly season, erin, because that is what we're in right now. we're chomping at the bit to get ahold of donald trump one more time and put an end to the maga movement because we know that joe biden will tell the story about all the things he's done for this country. we know the economy is turning around, et cetera. but at the end of the day it's coming down to the fact donald trump is knowing to beat himself and everyone watching knows that. nikki haley is fresh face. she'll be a formidable opponent but republican voters don't want
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nikki haley. they want the xenophobia, the chaos, the bigotry, they want the indictments. they want everything that comes with donald trump. i've said this before, erin, you always want to watch the circus. you never want to be a part of the circus and join it. republicans are joining the circus willingly. let them have it. >> all right, well we'll see what will happen in these next few days. thank you all very much. i appreciate it. matthew, for standing out in the cold, thank you. and we are just four days away from voters in new hampshire going to those polls. special live coverage of the primary starts tuesday 4:00 eastern here on cnn. >> next a fulton county d.a. investigating trump now facing her own inquiry as we learn new details about an alleged affair with her lead praurs kurt in the trump case. the two are now accused of taking trips on taxpayers dime. plus nato now saying it's bracing for war with russia, as we take you to the front line to see how putin's nonstop attacks are now eating away at ukrainian
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defenses. and actor alec baldwin late today indicted. this time charged with two counts of involuntary manslaughter. could this mean he could be headed to jail?
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breaking news that could spell serious trouble for fulton county district attorney fani willis. county commissioner as of tonight has launched an inquiry into allegations that willis misused county funds, taxpayer money, and accepted gifts and other personal benefits from nathan wade. nathan wade is the lead process kurt that willis hired for the case and is allegedly having an affair with. this is the same prosecutor accused of billing willis and the county and therefore taxpayers for hundreds of thousands of dollars of work on the case with hours worked that right now we still need a lot of explanations for. money that then was allegedly then used to pay for vacations that wade and willis took together. this inquiry is being launched just hours after credit card statements revealed that wade made at least two out-of-state trips with willis. jessica schneider begins our coverage out front. >> reporter: there is now a full-on battle between fulton
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county district attorney fani willis and the wife of willis' top prosecutor in the georgia election case against trump. the back and forth in the divorce proceedings is threatening to shake-up the case. fani willis is facing allegation she had an affair with nathan wade, shg smaez not addressed. instead she's defended naming him as special prosecutor in november 2021, one day after he filed for divorce from his wife. >> a black man is qualified no matter his achievements? >> reporter: now there is a swirl of tension to try to get to the bottom of this alleged affair. new court filings from wade's wife show nathan wade bought tickets for willis to accompany him on at least two out-of-state trips. copies of credit card statements show he purchased tickets for himself and willis including trips to miami in october 2022 and san francisco in april 2023. jocelyn wade saying in the filing that her attorneys want to depose willis in the divorce
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proceedings to determine details surrounding her romantic affair with nathan wade as there appears to be no reasonable explanation for their travels apart from a romantic relationship. willis is trying to stop the questioning saying it's being used to harass and damage her professional reputation and is obstructing and interfering with an ongoing criminal prosecution. this exploded in the public eye earlier this month when one of the defendants in the georgia election subversion case, mike roman, a former trump campaign official, moved to disqualify willis. alleging she had an improper relationship with wade. roman alleges wade was paid more than others in willis' office and used money he billed for his work so far adding up to more than $650,000 to take willis on romantic and lavish vacations. roman has not provided any public proof for the accusations, but trump's lawyer says this is another reason the case should be tossed. >> this case is tainted from the start. never mind all the other things that we're seeing come out that
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show absolute corruption, it's all planned. it's election interference. >> reporter: the judge overseeing the georgia election case has now set a february 15th hearing to consider whether willis and wade should be disqualified from the case. willis has defended her prosecution team and said they have all been paid the same. >> i appointed three special counsel that is my right to do, paid them all the same hourly rate. >> reporter: and the fallout from all of this is escalating tonight. that fulton county commissioner sending that letter to fani willis, erin, saying he is launching that inquiry into those allegations that she misused county funds. he says there's all this question about whether money that her office paid nathan wade was then used for willis' own gain, mentioning those trips the two allegedly took together. and the commissioner right now is demanding that willis hand over various contracts, invoices, and payments. you know, erin, our team has reached out to fani willis for comment but we haven't heard
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back. >> jessica, thank you very much. ryan goodman is with me now, an out front legal expert. there's been a drip, drip, drip on this but now you've got an inquiry from the county commissioner into this alleged affair. the affair, fine, whether that happened or not. it would also be there would be taxpayer used to employ him, whether he was the right person for it, how much money was paid, then the money being used with her and him together possibly taking vacations. as it's investigating as it's happening here what does it mean for fani will sns. >> i think it could mean one of two things. the first proceeding is in the case itself with the judge overseeing the criminal case, and he could decide to require her to recuse herself to step down from the case. that's the big kind of penalty that might be there. and then the commissioner is separate where i think it's more likely for something to happen. when is if they look at in terms how she's running the office in
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terms of case there's ethical and legal rules she has to answer to separately. >> has to answer why she picked him, how all those questions would go. >> exactly. >> now let's just say something happens and she is penalized or forced to be removed, that means what happens to the case? >> i think the case goes forward. it doesn't necessarily mean the case is taken off of the docket. >> it doesn't go away. >> no, there's a very strong criminal case she herself has built against donald trump and the others. but if she is taken off of it, it's a huge delay. in all likelihood i do not think we see a trial in 2024, for example, if they have to find a replacement. she already had to be replaced for one of the false electors -- alleged false electors and they still haven't found a replacement. that's now months. i think we would be looking at a 2025 trial. >> that would change the timing here because then this whole question of immunity and obviously, you know, state versus federal.
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but it would raise real questions about whether it wept forward at all he wins. >> if he wins the case at a minimum i guess would be frozen for four years. >> so in that context we've got some video today of a deposition of donald trump, and this is a deposition in that fraud case in new york, the trump org fraud case judge engoron overseeing. one key exchange is trump claiming he was not focused on the company after he was president. like i had nothing to do with it, hands in the air, i was just too busy saving lives. here's the exchange from the deposition. >> there were a lot of things that were happening in the world as you probably know, and i did a good job. i got rid of those problems. today those problems are very prevalent. i think you could say it, exactly i was very busy. the most important job in the world saving millions of live. i think you would have had nuclear holocaust if i didn't
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deal with north korea. i think you would have had a nuclear war if i weren't elected and i think you might have a nuclear war now if you want to know the truth. >> so political in a deposition. the reality is on the issue of fraud, that's already been determined by a judge. and way this trial was handled was approved by both trump and the prosecution. does this help him at all this defense when it comes to how this plays out, that he says he has nothing to do with trump org, whether that's true or not being a separate issue. >> it could potentially help hemip a certain sense because there's still some remaining additional charges, and those charges do depend upon his knowledge, his state of mind. he's actually correct for that period of time, he was not focused on company could help him, but it also could hurt him if he's not being forthcoming and candid. with the fact finding a smart judge and the smart judge looks at that deposition and might think to himself that is not accurate, you were focused on many other things about yourself and your companies and your golf courses during that period. so the fact you give a false statement and a false excuse,
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that would maybe hurt him. >> ryan, thank you very much. and next the special report from ukraine. we were going to take you to the front leans. the ground littered with dead russians, the reality of what is playing outright now there as ukrainian soldiers are still fighting for their survival. plus our special series "the real economy." why it's forcing millennials to juggle multiple jobs, think twice about having kids, and question if college was even worth it. >> i definitely did not need that to be successful. to duckduckgo on all your devie
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ukraine's front lines remains under constant russian assault. this new video into cnn shows what appears to be a russian missile destroying a building. it's been the epicenter of fierce fight [the destruction you can see here. of course so many people, it is devastated. fred pleitgen is out front, and i will warn you that some of the images you'll see in this report tonight are disturbing. >> it's a sight ukrainian troops see all too often, a massive russian armored assault force coming right at them. the russian infantry moves with virtually no cover. the ukrainians call these meat assaults because the russian troops have virtually no chance of suvival as ukrainian drones hunt them down. they assault with a large number of personnel, the head of the drone unit that filmed the videos tells me. assault after assault nonstop. if we kill 40 to 70 of them in
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the drones within a day, the next day day that renew their forces and continue to attack. it's been going on for several months as russian president vladimir putin seems hell bent on taking it. russian vehicles under artillery fire as they get close to ukrainian positions. the ground littered with dead and dying russian soldiers trying to overwhelm the ukraine defenses here. the ukrainians say they're holding back most of the assaults but are outgunned and outmanned. we need more people, more military, more equipment. we need more ammunition, more drones, he says. unfortunately, we don't have the amount needed to win. we need a lot. and the russians not facing the same shortages are dropping massive amounts of ordinance on the ukrainians, everything from artillery to heavy guided aerial bombs. one of the key defense points a massive plant at the edge of town. and that's where these guys are
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setting up their defenses. under constant fire elite snappers from ukraine's omegaspecial forces. here they have the cover to hit advancing russian soldiers. their anger visible in the hoodies they wear for our interview. with the weapons we have at distances up to 1,300 meters, the effectiveness of our work is 90% he says. for that kind of precision, they need to keep their weapons in pristine condition all the time in the city. at the beginning it seemed the russians could encircle very quickly, he says. but as we see it has been ours for three months and we're holding on. holding for now even as assault after assault eats away at ukrainian defenses. >> fred, incredible foot squj sobering. you're watching humans die. the reality is, though, obviously the u.s. aid that's
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been so crucial here even in the form of weaponry itself, right, now on hold. and they've been talking about needing more and more as you report. so from what you've seen the ammunition shortage that the ukrainians say they have, that they seriously lack ammunition, how serious is it right now? >> i think it's absolutely serious, and certainly something we've heard from those units there. i want to give you an example, erin, that drone unit, the commander of that unit told us he believes that drone unit alone has destroyed between 40 and 50 russian armored tanks and vehicles and killed anywhere between 1,000 and 1,500 russian soldiers and yet they keep assaulting. and even those grenades they drop from their drones are in short supply. the defense is the lack of 155 millimeter artillery shells, and that's something becoming an increasing problem as more and more russians assault and ukrainians are having trouble
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holding the line. and next our special series the real economy, millennials speaking out say they regret going to college because the debt isn't worth it, and they can't afford to have more kids. >> i was sad. like our -- our family is dictated by our financials. >> plus actor alec baldwin indicted again. charged with involuntary manslaughter for the deadly shooting on the set of his movie "rust." this time could he go to jail?
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averaging about $450 a week. sure it might look great but we need to get their first. on saturday we heard how met life stadium is preparing for world cup final. >> reporter: danny navarro did not plan to be a tic talk creator. >> if fifa decided to sell tickets -- >> reporter: that was not his goal he graduated with a history degree on a scholarship from the university of virginia and started working for a non-profit. >> i was at the $60,000 mark of my salary and the only way that i was going to crack 80, 90 potentially was to get a grad school degree. >> reporter: so danny went back to school for a masters degree in public administration. >> i had to take out $70,000 of loans. so it's almost like we're basically throwing it into the hole, and right away we have to start funding that. >> reporter: so you're first generation, and what was the dream for you? what was the dream if you went to college? >> we would escape poverty.
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and, you know, for -- for immigrants that are coming to this country that's always the thing that they tell you. >> reporter: danny now juggles three jobs, soccer coach, tutor, and tiktok video creator. >> i don't have a full time salary job since november of 2022. and it is not without trying. i've tried to -- i've actually applied to about 100 jobs. >> reporter: 100 jobs? >> i would say about in the past year and change, and a couple of them have gone into the final round but just unfortunately have not been selected. >> my life is very different than what i the envisioned it would be. >> reporter: rachel and garret followed the road map that previous generations said would spell success. go to college, get married, work hard, buy a house, start a family. >> this is the american dream but at what cost? so we have all of those things, and we appreciate every single one of those things, but we
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think about how we can lose those things very quickly if one of us loses our job, ware in a not good place. >> reporter: between their college debt and monthly mortgage payment, they feel they've slipped into a lower economic class than the one they grew up in. do you describe yourselves as middle class? >> i mind like to think we are. >> i would say lower middle class. >> reporter: why? >> because when i think of middle class are think of people able to just get up and do things within their means and not extravagant things but get up and go to dinner whenever they want or maybe take that trip, that long weekend trip. we don't have that luxury. >> reporter: rachel works at a non-profit, garret as an insurance underwriter. but their paychecks barely keep place with their $3,400 monthly mortgage payment. rachel's sister moved in to help offset costs for all of them.
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>> once we started getting day care costs it's like we cannot afford to have another child until he's in a public school system. i'd love for him to have a partner in crime, but we can't afford to give him that for at least four years. >> reporter: and is that sad? >> i'm sad. like, our -- our family is dictated by our financials, and, yeah, i just never thought it would be that way. >> we have $435 to last until the end of the month. >> what? >> actually until february 4th. >> that's even worse. >> i know. >> reporter: so what would they do differently if they can do it all over again? avoid student debt even if that means rethinking college. >> i think this idea of going to college is something that i don't know if miles will do, and we've decided we're not going to push him there either. i think a lot of millennials were forced into saying you need a four-year degree in order to be successful. and i have a communications degree and i definitely did not need that to be successful.
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and so i think it starts with when you turn 18 you're already put into a disadvantage, and i think we need to change that mind-set for the next generation. >> did i go to college to go through tiktok videos? no. but is that the one place right now where i can make money potentially, so let me go make my tiktok videos while i'm at it and hopefully find a way to live the american dream. >> i mean it just -- you just want to hear more and more of them. and it's amazing that they are willing -- you got them to be able to be willing to speak, which is so hard when you're talking about money, right, and their lives. so they're being told by a lot of them -- and you can look at the numbers any way you want, bidennomics, things are getting better, the economy things are getting better, inflation is abating. how do they respond to all those messages when that's their lived experience? >> well, that's the reason they let us into their homes. we asked for them specifically, why are you opening your spread sheets to us? why are you letting us see
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something that is clearly causing you so much anxiety and pain, and they said we want the politicians to understand what our lives are really like. and they weren't just talking about president biden. they want the local politicians to understand the challenges they're facing. and i asked them specifically who do you blame for the situation you find yourselves in and all gave different answers. no one had a political answer to that. they understand that the economy is complicated and their situation is complicated. >> yeah, well, i mean it's really incredible. and i'm really kind of -- who can't be inspired by their willingness to share that. all right, thank you very much. alison's real economy series of course is going to continue. and next actor alec baldwin charged again for the deadly shooting on the set of his film "rust." could he actually go to jail this time in? and incredible images tonight of flames coming out of a jet shortly after it took off from miami and of course now the ntsb is now investigating.
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. tonight alec baldwin charged again with two counts for the deadly shooting while on the show "rust." halyna hutchins was killed during rehearsing. baldwin had previously faced the same charges but prosecutors dropped them after learning new information that needed to be investigated. that happened and now nine months later, the charges are back. criminal defense attorney mark is out front. let's try to understand what happened. this latest indictment against baldwin, they dropped charges, nine months, we're back. and the charges are here. have you gone through this? is this a stronger indictment than the prior one? >> it's the same charges but the resolve of the prosecution team, they took it to a grand jury. the prosecution team does not like charging, dropping, indicting, dropping. i think that they believe they have a stronger case.
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we know there was some investigations done on the gun which is the primary issue. did he pull that trigger? or maybe did he act recklessly or without good care? that's what they got the indictment for. >> so the involuntary manslaughter is a charge. it's a fourth-degree felony in new mexico. it could taker an 18-month prison sentence if convicted. how likely is it that baldwin could actually have jail time? >> in one sense it's quite real. he's under indictment and we believe the state's case is even stronger. on the other hand, as you know, plea negotiations were happening in this case before this most recent indictment. they happened in all cases and probably that will be ongoing now that the indictment is standing. the main condition, which if i it was attorney, is not to become a convicted felon and not to go to prison. it's on the table. i think they'll be trying to work something out. >> what do you think to have the prison taken off the table, the
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possible 18 months that it could carry, what could they do in exchange for that? >> they might well want the felony conviction. that's important for the family. that's important to the prosecution team. of course it is important to mr. baldwin. then the condition of five years probation, a lengthy period of probation to keep his nose clean. that's normally what prosecutors want if they take przybilison oe table. thanks. the terrifying images of a jet on fire shortly after take off from miami. to duckduckgo on all your devie
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tonight a fire in the sky. the ntsb investigating the frightening incident you're looking at on the screen. the plane suffering a plane malfunction started a fire. there are spurts of fire bursting out of the plane. a witness telling cnn, it was very frightening.
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wasn't ascending. and listen to this call to air traffic control from the cockpit of this cargo plane as the incident unfolded. >> may day, may day. heavy engine fire. we have five souls on board and we have about five hours of fuel on board. >> amazing, right? just the calm with which that pilot conveyed the situation. the plane had been in the air for 14 minutes total. the incident started three minutes into the flight so 11 minutes of that harrowing situation according to flight aware. we should notice, when he said they have five hours of fuel. turning around and landing with so much fuel can be disastrous. and yet, with all that calm, they did it. they followed procedures. they were able to land safely back in miami. just an incredible thing. a testament to the professionalism there. ac "360" starts now.