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>> speaking of rich people, dean phillips in new hampshire, i don't know what is happening. >> he's a congressman running against biden. >> he's up in new hampshire being backed by very wealthy people, including elon musk and sam altman. he has gotten a lot of money this week from bill alaskaman. i'm not sure what he's doing up there. i don't understand why a congressman, when there's so many amazing possible candidates in the democratic party, is doing this. it's only for recognition and to pal around with his rich friends. >> supposedly he's also saying there ought to be a choice. >> his ice cream is fantastic. >> i learn so much from you. thank you all for being here. thank you for spending part of your day with us. we'll see you right back here next week.
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hello from london. i'm califhristiane amanpour. welcome to the "amanpour hour." up first this week, california's first partner talks gender equality in davos and how surviving trauma shaped her mission. >> we won't achieve gender parody unless we address this culture where women and girls are victims of both physical and sexual abuse in their lifetime. also ahead, would the rest of the world makes of donald trump's landslide in iowa. >> they look ed a at this with sense of dread, put not surprise. then a shocking eyewitness account from a volunteer doctor just back from gaza and israel's reaction. >> looking around the emergency department, my overwhelming passion was why are they saving children here. >> from archive, 33 years ago
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this week, u.s.-led forces launched the first gulf war. my report from saddam hussein, a warning about gaza today. >> welcome to the program, everyone i'm christiane amanpour in london. 131 years, that's how long it will take to close the gender gap, a sobering fact from the world economic forum, which none of us will be alive to see. but my first guest has made it her mission to accelerate that needle. she's an actress, a film maker and ab athlete who also happens to be the first partner of california, a title she coined after shunning the traditional first lady term. she is jennifer newsom, and her husband is a key democrat force right now. before heading to the governor's mansion, newsom lived through some very deep personal trauma.
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she witness ed the tragic death of her oldest sister who was run over by a golf cart. and then her encounter with predator harvey weinstein, who she accused of raping her in 2005 and testified against him. newsom spent week in davos speaking to other women and allies on the urgent work of gender equality. she joined me to explain this is a crisis. >> jennifer, welcome to our program. >> thanks so much for having me. >> so there you are in davos. you are presenting the california all women initiative. can you tell me what this is? >> let me anchor why i'm here with the fact that this is a crisis. gender equity has stalled. we know that the world economic forum came out with a report that we will not achieve gender equity for 131 more years.
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and we won't achieve gender pay equity for 157 more years. so this is insane. so if we think about what's happening in our world with geopolitical instability, a political divide, mental health climate crisis, extreme wealth and equality, part of that i strongly believe, and i have data to back it up, is we haven't had diverse enough folks in particular womened at the tables of power making decisions when it comes to the private and public sectors. if we can move more women into leadership, more of a care orien orientation, we will fix some of these insurmountable global problems we're all confronted with today. >> how do you chip away at a mountain of more than a century or two centuries to get any kind of equity and any kind of parody in the important areas? >> it's one i believe we're trying to do in california through california for all women.
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one of the first initiatives that we signed on to when my husband became governor of california was an actual the pay pledge. basically committing at this point over 150 global companies head quartered in california to conducting an ab yule pay gap analysis analyzing their hiring and promotion practices and committing to equal pay best practices. in doing this, we're move ing t needle forward to close the pay gap we have some of the strongest equal pay laws we're trying to turn that gap into the smallest pay gap in the nation. similarly, we have been championing women of public company boards. there was legislation of what we have seen as a result of this legislation and our advocacy is in 2018, over a third are held by women. interestingly, in 2018, 29% of
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boards had all male boards in california. and today only 1% of public company boards are all-male boards. >> can i ask you about how you have become so resilient? you have had quite a lot of trauma in your life. your own sister died in a very tragic play time incident. you yourself testified and took the stand against harvey weinstein in his sexual assault case. you testified he raped you in 2005. he denies that. what made it important for you to stand up and how has this trauma led you to take the public positions that you do? >> i experienced trauma at a very early age. and never really healed from that trauma. then had experiences related to a coach and harvey weinstein
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that informed my understanding of trauma in a way that i don't think we as a society still yet understand. and i'm just a truth seeker and speaker, and i know that the damage that is done to women and girls and young boys for that matter, who have been sexually assaulted and that we can cannot have this culture anymore and that there is a culture of silence and complicity that enables those men to perpetuate the harm the that they have done. and i'm a firm believer that most men are good men. i have two sons myself. i'm married to a man. i have a very close relationship with my father. but sadly, it's a few men that do so much damage. there's a statistic that 94% of sexual assaults are committed by 4% of perpetrators. to me, if we can just hold those
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few bad actors accountable, and educate more men and women for that matter to speak up and out and not be complicit and not enable, we could create a healthier culture for women and girls. there's a study that came out recently that suggests that the cost to society of domestic and sexual violence is in the billions. the tangible costs are in the billions. but the intangible costs to a woman's work performance and her life are in the trillions. and know we won't achieve gender parody unless we address this culture where 1 in 3 women and girls are victims of abuse in their lifetime. >> it is staggering when you hear the statistics, as you put them out your latest
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documentary, most recent film, looks at the imbalance as you're saying in work and other issues. particularly, in work between men and wimp. what is important about investigating this aspect of imbalance for both men and women? >> so men need to model here the home if men do 50 more minutes of care work a day or 40% of domestic care work, not only will thundershower wives have more leisure time and less anxiety and depression and pursue their passions and interest, their children will have better behavioral outcomes, and healthier long-term relationships. and then themselves will be happier. they will have better sex lives, be less likely to be on prescribed meds. the list goes on and on. and we know from sociology, the
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family is the backbone of communities and society. american families are fragile right now. and we have an opportunity to given the fact the majority of american families are dual-income households or single-parent households run by women and we're living in an age where there's just so much coming at us 24/ with modern technology that if we can socialize our partners and our boys in particular to be care oriented, to be partner oriented. there's value the in care. care is everything. we can create a healthier culture because what happens in the home is carried into the workplace. so you have a more equitable balanced relationship at home, those values were carried into the works place. we can transform culture as we can transform public culture.
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>> jennifer, thank you so much for joining us. >> thanks for having me. it's great to speak with you. >> an incredible moment, important to speed up that needle. up next, a grip the account from a volunteer doctor who rifbed her own life to go to gaza. but first, a top european official breaks ranks and declares donald trump a threat to the continent and the alliance. how the rest of the world views the former president steam rolling his competition in iowa.
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himself in court. the 91 criminal charges and other legal fights. the card trump has been playing since the loyal mob ransacked the capital is paying off. now it's all but certain he will be the gop presidential candidate. joining me now in the london study two journalists who covers politics and america on her podcast, and mark landler, bureau chief for the london times. welcome both of you. we're a few days since iowa and a few days before new hampshire. we cannot deconstruct the minds of the american voter, but how is the world reacting to trump's blowout in iowa? >> i think you have to say that the world has been looking for reasons to reenforce a conviction that i found in talking to people in a lot of countries, which is that there's an ininevitability to trump not
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just being the nominee, but being restored to the white house. for a lot of people outside the u.s., they looked a at this with a sense of tread but not surprise. there's been a great sense that this is beginning down a certain track. and that's one more off ramp that we now avoided. new hampshire will be the next off ramp. that's my sense that there was no surprise. almost a reaffirmation of a fatalism that exists around the world that americans are going to reelect this guy. >> reelect, how, why is that what you're thinking? why would people automatically think he's going to be president again. >> i would go back to that result and what you call a blowout, which was 51% of the republican the vote for trump. i would say the number here that people are looking at that is leaving people jaw tropped is the 66% of iowan voters who believe donald trump' lie. that they have been convinced
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that donald trump is the right president of this time and that his questioning of the legitimacy of joe biden is something that he's taken to iowa. so i think all the reporting that we do should come from that. he's an election denier. that he has managed to convince people of the lies he's been telling for the last three and a half years. that he's using his 91 indictments as a fundraising tool. and i don't think that any of us can be covering the american elections without actually starting from that place. if that is not a sort of black cloud across your fore head of everything that you're saying on air, everything this you're writing and thinking about, we're not doing our jobs properly. >> i want to get back to that. there's been criticism in the uk about how the media covers this. but i want to double down.
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are people in the world sure he's going to be this feeling of inevitability, they don't want to look stupid and say he couldn't win because he did in 2016. >> there's an element of that. if you drill down and say do you truly, genuinely believe this is going to be the outcome, think will acknowledge we have no idea what the outcome is going to be. they have been surprised before. politics sun predictable. you ask particularly unpredictable. i think sophisticate d analysis of this acknowledges that nothing is inevitable here. a president who is facing 91 criminal counts, the idea or a candidate who is facing 91 criminal counts, that he could emerge as president, there's something incredulous about that. so i think that it is more of an emotional feel. that if the country was capable of doing this once before, and they see these kinds of numbers, this kind of incredible
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resilient, unshakable loyalty on the part of maga nation, i think it just is more resides in the pit of their stomach. if it happened once before, it could happen again. we need to start planning a as though it may happen again. >> except even that number, if he'd look at 51% of the republican vote ises in iowa, what you're really saying is hang on a second. this guy isn't untried. he isn't untested. he's auditioning before his party for a job he's already done. he's already been president already. so if you look at it that way, then you have nearly half his party who do not want to see that again. >> i want to ask you about plan b here in the world. there's a sense that some country, certainly allies are trying to trump proof their politics for next time he maybe in chashlg. christine lagarde, very well
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known to the u.s. leet politics as well as in europe, she's basically broken ranks in a very surprising way. coming out and directly saying that trump would pose a direct threat to the europeanen continent and to the alliance if he was elected again. she specifically said just look at the trade tariffs. look at the commitment to nato. look at the fight against climate change. if only in these three areas in the past, american interests have not been aligned with european interests. and the commissioner says the u.s. is very concerned this trump wouldn't come because he said it to the aud of any nato nation that is invaded. do you detect any trump proofing? >> it deds on the leader. if if you're a leader who views their interest as closely aligned with trump, you can already see hedging of bets. people who style themselves in a way they think would be congruent with a future trump administration. an example of that potentially is in israel.
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it's easy to imagine in the coming months he might begin to think of that. that might enter his calculations. is that true of someone like putin, another person viewed as sort of sim pat coat with trump. that's also possible. for allies, it's actually much more complicated. the uk is a good example. one of the major and i think correct fears that europeans would have of another trump administration is what would that mean for nato. would he actually deliver on his threat to leave nato. if he did, it would be a mortal blow to the alliance and a crushing setback for ukraine. so what do you do if you're him? do you say, that's american politics, i have no place. or do you as jacob writes, kl out and say i would rather have
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donald trump than joe biden because he's actually closer aligned to us. >> nobody will be looking more closely than ukraine. baa their existence depends on whether they get more aid. i want to go back to what you said about the media coverage. it seems like the media is falling all over itself to cover every cough and sneeze that trump is doing. this is what media critic said this week about a the coverage. in a constant show of performtive neutrality, journalists tend to equalize the unequal, taking coverage down the middle, even though that's not where true fairness lies. and literally. >> i think there's a real crackle a at covering the iowa caucus, the new hampshire primary, we all to be talking about the horse race.
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all the rest of it, it's exciting. i get that. but unless you're cognizant that you're dealing with a race where one of the contestants is not following the rules, you're not doing your job properly. it's not like we don't know what happened last time around. what's the point of going, he might be neck and neck with nikki haley in new hampshire. he might just be to the most there. if you know he did you want actually standby the results of that race, what are we doing? and i understand that in our coverage, you don't the to be the preacher. you don't want to be connen substantiately looking backwards and saying, be careful. don't think to my knowledge he's confirmed whether he would accept any future results of the 2024 election. so if that's the case, what are we doing? you can talk about abortion policy or talk about swing states in poll numbers, but if we don't know whether he's going to accept the result, what game
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are we playing here when we just sort of treat the law as equal candidates. they are not. >> thank you very much indeed. and coming up next on the program, a shocking insight into the huge civilian toll in gaza from a british doctor who just returned from the war zone. >> i feel ashamed and shocked that we are toing this to fellow humans.
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we make money from ads, but they don't follow you aroud join the millions of people taking back their privacy by downloading duckduckgo on all your devices today. welcome back to the prime minister. bullet wounds, amputations and orphan children. these are the realities of war doctors are dealing with after three months of bombardment. last week we showed new evidence that more than half of the northern hospitals have been directly attacked since the fighting started. israel says hamas used many
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civilian structures as command centers and the goal of this offensive is to ensure hamas can never repeat a slaughter like that on october 7th. still the 24,000 dead in gaza is causing the united states and its allies increasing unease. a british doctor spent two weeks over christmas volunteering right in the heart of the gaza strip. she joined me this week to describe what she saw. >> welcome to the program. >> thank you very much. >> you have just returned from gaza. you are an ob/gyn. you went to treat women and children, i guess. what did you see there? why did you even dpo? >> i went because i have been to gaza many times. i have been going since 2016. i have never been in a conflict.
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i have never been in these circumstances. what i saw was in the middle area was a hospital that was overwhelmed. it was overwhelmed with numbers of inpatients. it was overwhelmed with emerg emergencies. at a level that simply wasn't set up to deal with. >> so what did you notice most? are they women, children, men? >> i was expecting in some ways that this was a war situation and i was anticipating that there were going to be young men or all sorts of casualties across the whole spectrum of society. what i overwhelmingly saw was children. and on wasn't day, i was thinking this is new year's day. there was one moment i looked at my watch. it was 2:00 in the afternoon. and we had mass casual theties coming in.
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it was from a school shelter, where there had been bombardment and blast and we had mass casualties coming in. and i looked around the room and out of the five patients in the room, four of them were children. one with an injury with a horrendous sheriff's departmental injury photo brain. they weren't going to survive. and the other children with horrendous mix of open fractures, partial amputations, open chest wounds, horrendous lacerations from shrapnel to the chest and head. and that was every day. and looking around the emergency department, my overwhoelming impression was why are there so many children here? there were so many. >> why were there so many children here? >> i don't know.
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other than the bombardment we were obviously taking casualties from the area immediately around the hospital. and they were coming in because those areas were being targeted, were being bombarded, sniper fire, shelling and that's what we were seeing. alongside the casualties, there were many people that came in dead. and some day i never expected to see. i thought i waswell prepared for this. i had thought about what i might see, but that struck me. >> you have been to gaza many times. the health system there has never been fabulous, but there are a lot of hospitals. what is the state now? we hear the situation is collapsing. >> there's been a sort of systemic dismantling really of the health care system. it's almost like a kind of a fall really of one hospital
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falls after the other after the other. and health care systems, health care facilities should be protected. they are there for everybody. >> i want to play this sound byte, because when you say should be protected, i talked to a former mega u.s. commander, who knows a bit about war and going after terrorists and civilians this is what he said. >> i have felt that the hospital should have been kept open. but all of them and treat the civilians in the want hospitals. control them and ensure the tunnels underneath them, headquarters or whatever is being done in them is not allowed and is eliminated, but think need to provide for the people, without question. >> he's saying whatever the case in war, you need to provide for the people. do the people have anywhere to go? >> they've got nowhere. they are get ting less and less.
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>> you're a professional. do no harm. >> i just feel desperate. i also feel ashamed and shocked that we're doing this to fellow humans. i'm a doctor. my whole career, my whole reason for getting up in the morning is to help people. they said they have got people everywhere. giving birth in the corridors and the halls. they haven't got staff to deliver them. they don't have the capacity to do c-sections. babies are going to die as a result of not being able to deliver in a timely manner. it's full of babies dieing from infection. they just can't cope. and there isn't the capacity to deal with it because so many health care fults have been dismantle theed. >> doctor, thank you.
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welcome back to the program. before the break, we heard a doctor's firsthand account of the dire inside one of gaza's barely functioning hospitals. and what happens to the people of gaza and israel the day after, if and when the fighting ever ends. i put that to the senior a adviser to the israeli prime minister. mark, welcome back to the program. >> thank you for having me. >> my question to you is general petraeus, senator van holland, leaders all over the world, the secretary of state, the national security council, the president
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of the united states, of france, of the uk, everywhere says yep, you have a right to self-defense, but these civilian casualties are too much. my question to you is there not a military way to separate civilians and take care of civilians as petraeus said? he's been through many wars in civilian areas. was there not a better way? >> first of all, we don't want to see any civilians killed. i repeat that. we don't want to see any civilians in the cross fire between hamas and the israely defense forces. but having said that, we're up against a brutal enemy, who deliberately invades itself in residential neighborhoods, in schools, in u.n. facilities, in mosques. and underneath gaza, under the cities of gaza, where they cannot go, there's a subterranean network of tunnels, missile launching sites, armories, hamas has had more
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than 16 years to embed itself, and that's why this operation will take time. though we're doing our best to avoid civilians getting in the cross fire, there's a deliberate strategy of using civilians as a human shield making our job much more difficult. >> you see what's happening. there's a growing coalition of israeli allies saying that there must be in return for normalization. there must be an absolute palestinian process to statehood and an end of the occupation. your own prime minister has apparently completely said no to that. going to play a little of his speech. >> translator: in any arrangement, with or without an arrangement, the state of israel must control security of all the land. this is an essential condition. it clashes with the idea of
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sovereignty, what can you do? that is what i'm say ining to o friends, the americans, and i have blocked an attempt to force upon us a reality which will hurt the security of israel. the prime minister in israel must be a able to say no, even to the close friends to say no when it's needed and, yes, when it's possible. >> so that's it then. no political solution, you're basically telling your biggest friends and your biggest military suppliers that, no, you won't consider that kind of political solution. >> i think it's very important to hear what the prime minister says in its entirety. he has repeatedly said that palestinians should have all the powers to rule themselves, that none of the powers to threaten israel and the second half of that formula, none of the powers is especially relevant following what happened in october 7th. we don't want to see a repeat of that horrific attack on israel by the hamas terrorists or by
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any terrorists for that matter. so the idea is to find a formula where the palestinians can rule themselves. but not be in a ta position to threaten israel. i think that's the formula that can help us move forward and find solutions that will be good for israelis and good for palestinians too. >> are you surprised this is all coming to ahead right now. it seems like the prime minister is trying to ward it off. i have to say, frankly, many observers think it's more about him and his own politics and staying in power than it is about a proper just, and fair and secure solution. >> we have been following this process for more years we'd like to remember. and as you know, there's always been talk about demilitarized and security controls and things like this. this is what israel is talking about. especially after october 7th, to ask the israeli public, the israeli people to say, security that isn't the highest priority to keep our people safe, that's to ignore reality.
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and if the palestinians really want to move forward with israel, i think they have to be willing to understand those concerns. they are legitimate concerns. and the idea that any areas next to israel will have to be secure arrangement ss to allow to defe itself, that has to be the basis of any settlements as we move forward. >> i want to ask you about what is the result after 10 days in your war against hamas. the french president said the total destruction of hamas, does anyone think that's possible? the war will last ten years. >> let me be clear. we achieved an amazing success in november where we got almost half of the hostages out. 110 people released precisely because of the military pressure israel was applying. we will destroy the military machine. we'll do it because we have no
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it was the morning of january 17th, 1991, 33 years ago that operation desert storm kicked off the campaign to oust saddam hussein's innovating iraqi forces from kuwait. >> saddam hussein's forces will leave kuwait. the legitimate government of kuwait will be restored to its rightful place and kuwait will once again be free. i have told the american people before that this will not be another vietnam. and i repeat this here tonight. >> once the bombing was over, i met the people of baghdad picking through the rubble as the long road to rebuilding their lives began. >> the sound obamaing hassen given way to the sound of banging. dusting off the services,
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reering the walls. they want the to set up shop again. a sense of optimism exists despite the debris. >> it will take a lot longer to rebuild the area. the houses hit three weeks ago were raised to the ground. most of the inhabitants haven't returned yet. those who have say they lost everything. this man says he has nothing left but the clothes he's wearing. >> i'm wait ing for our government to help us rebuild. >> those we spoke to also expect help from countries with whom they have just been at war, particularly their arab neighbors. >> people who live in kuwait, we are people. we have one language. and we want people.
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>> those people say they will rebuild just as they did after their war with iran. but this time it won't be that easy. officials here as well as international experts say this country's infrastructure could take yeefrz to recover from the damage done. there's still no electricity in baghdad and other cities except what's powered by private generators. the capital has no running water, so people are going untreated water through the river. the drainage system is backed up and sewage is starting to spew into the streets. the mayor of baghdad says the public services have ground to a halt and warns of disease spreading when the weather gets warm er. as people start to lay the groundwork for the future, they say it might take awhile to even get the basic rebuilding blocks. officials say this cement pad used to reduce the total output. they say it will be at least a year before production starts up
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again. finding the means to rebuild maybe difficult. billions of dollars in debt, sol of iraq's future oil profits may have to go towards rebuilding ckuwait, and they have indicate some of the sanctions will remain in force as long as saddam hussein remains in power. >> it all sounds so familiar amid the current crisis in the middle east. i had been there on the uss kennedy in the red sea watching the fighter jets start the war in iraq. and i can't help reflecting now on the parallels and unintended consequences as we now know the result of decades of bombing saddam hussein created decades of radical terrorist forces, including isis. one of the fears about the gaza war is that it, too, will create a dangerous backlash. americans and other allies now know that, which is why the only way out of this endless, brutal psych is the of violence is finally a just, political solution. had we come back, more of
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by downloading duckduckgo on all your devices today. welcome become. finally to our q&a segment. let's find out what'sen your mind. here's one from chicago, illinois. >> as a war correspondent, i know you have seen much cruelty throughout the world. how are you able to cope with that and is still do your job so well? thank you. >> it's true. we have witnessed and report on some of the worst acts that people can commit against each
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other. since october 7th, the horror that was done to iz rattly civilians to women and children, and to the women and children in gaza has kept me awake many nights. but like all journalists on the the scene, we have to somehow manage our feelings and emotions in order to put our full weight and our fullen strength into telling the story without fear nor favor and always remaining truthful, not neutral. that's all we have time for if you want to ask a question, scan the qr code on the screen now or e-mail us. remember to tell us your name and where you're from. don't forget you can find all our shows online as podcasts at cnn.com/podcasts and on all a other major platforms. i'm christiane amanpour in london. thanks for watching. see you again next week.
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