will be satisfied, and i won't be satisfied if i don't push you to achieve that. >> you walked in here, i said, hi coach, but do you think in many ways, you're also a teacher? >> i am a teacher. i think that's what a coach is for the most part. you know, i got it wrong. early in coaching, i thought you just coached basketball, and then i realized, no, you coach life. >> that's sort of an anthem of your life. >> yeah, it is. it should be the anthem of everybody's life because, you know, i think most people think success is just like that, and that is not true. this is how it looks. we should understand that. and the bumps are just part of the ride. it really is. >> you know, i also asked him, are you going to coach again in the nba, and he said, i don't know, but i will never say never. >> you knew. >> i knew. >> you knew he was coming back. >> big fan of dock rivers. "cnn this morning" continues

right now. trump's pressure campaign, the former president wants nikki haley out. >> bring it, donald, show me what you got. >> she's going to put a hammer to him. >> what argument could be formulated now that hasn't already been thought of. >> it's hard to see the path but there are always things you don't know. >> the former president expected to be back in a new york courtroom to testify. >> if he does testify, there are parameters, that's going to set off controversy, and that's the goal. >> when you're mean to the judge, juries don't like that. you should end wuup with a high damages amount. >> president biden got a major endorsement from one of the largest unions in the nation, the united auto workers union. >> the president is going to superior, wisconsin, he's going to continue talking about investors in network. >> voters vote their experience. he must spend the next couple of months, repairing all the cracks in his base. >> donald trump is going

scorched earth on nikki haley, threatening her donors, you knew we would reach this point. i'm phil mattingly with poppy harlow in new york. this morning, trump is using the campaign from court. we have seen it before. in about an hour, he'll be heading to his defamation trial in new york city. we'll be watching to see if he takes the stand and testifies. a federal jury is weighing how much trump needs to pay in damages for smearing his rape accuser, e. jean carroll. he called the accusations a hoax, he called the judge a quote 100% trump hater. overnight, trump lashed out at his republican primary opponent, he called nikki haley bird brain and warned her campaign donors they will be, quote, permanently barred from the maga camp if they give her anymore money. haley is hitting the trail in her home state in south carolina after losing hey and new hampshire. she fired back at trump's victory speech, the one where he

made fun of her dress and called her an imposter. >> out of everything he said in his rant, he didn't talk about the american people once. he talked about revenge. we're going to see the same thing we saw in 2018, in 2020, in 2022. if you've lost three times, what makes you think the fourth time is going to be different. >> well, addss that gop battle continues, president biden is giving a speech about the economy and highlighting the millions of jobs created under his watch. we have live team coverage. we begin with dianne gallagher in charleston. what was haley's message. big rally last night, the attacks are full boar. what was she telling voters in her home state last night? >> you know, phil, in some ways, nikki haley that has exactly what she said she wanted. a head-to-head match up with donald trump, and it's all unfolding here in her home state. look, after talking to voters,

party officials here in south carolina. and looking at polls, home state doesn't necessarily mean home field advantage. nikki haley finding herself in a position where she's on the attack on full display at this rally in north charleston up the road from where i am now where she went after donald trump. this increasingly critical tone that she has had talking about his age, his gaffes and perhaps his memory. and she continued this repeated refrain about nobody really wanting a rematch of trump and biden again. she dissected that new hampshire victory speech from donald trump focusing hard on his demeanor. >> donald trump got out there, and just threw a temper tantrum. he pitch a fit. he was insulting. he was doing what he does, but i don't know that's what he does

when he's insecure. i know that's what he does when he's threatened, and he should feel threatened without a doubt. we can't have a country in disarray and a world on fire and go through four more years of chaos. we won't survive it. you don't defeat democrat chaos with republican chaos. bring it, donald. show me what you got. >> now, of course donald trump and many of his supporters we've spoken to here in south carolina have been pressuring nikki haley to drop out of the race. several of the voters that i spoke with cited the support of many of the top officials here in south carolina behind donald trump, including senator tim scott who nikki haley appointed to the senate back in 2012. haley, herself here at least as far as we're talking about u.s. house members has just one congressman who has endorsed her. that is congressman ralph norman from south carolina, there last night, supporting nikki haley,

telling people that she is in it for the long haul. poppy. >> it was not subtle when the trump campaign dropped four dozen south carolina lawmakers supporting them last night. fresh off the new hampshire double digit win. trump is ditching the campaign trail in south carolina for court in new york. just hours from now, the trial is set to resume in the e. gjea carroll against him. trump's lawyers say he wants to testify. that's not actually confirmed yet that he will. cnn's kristen holmes joins us now. what are you hearing from trump's team about his mind set, the decision to go to court instead of south carolina now. >> good morning, phil and poppy. we talk about him testifying. it's 100% possible that he's going to take the stand. we know that he is fixated on this case, and any scroll through his social media will show that. melania trump, his wife told him he needs to fight for his name. he told allies he wants to testify this this case.

the one caveat is he has said this before in a previous e. jean carroll case. this whole will he, won't he, that's going to suck up the oxygen, which is exactly what he's intending to do, and why he's using the courtroom stops on the campaign. when we talk about the actual campaign trail, i want to talk a little bit about what you mentioned, which is trump wanting to go scorched earth on nikki haley. the idea of that is good in theory. however, he's not even on the ground. he's in new york. and the post particularly about him saying that anyone who donates to nikki haley, i have real question marks about that. it's one thing to say anyone who works for florida governor ron desantis is not going to work for our team. when you're talking about money, the people who work on his campaign, who actually pay the bills, they would like to see some of that big donor money coming in. they thought it was going to come in after iowa because it had gone to ron desantis. instead, it shifted to nikki haley. then they thought it was going to come in after new hampshire.

nikki haley says she's not dropping out. so you can tell that at least clearly fixated on this. the other part of this is that senator tim scott said this in an interview yesterday that they were hoping that after south carolina they were hoping to get big donor money. he can say that but the people actually paying the bills would like to see the money come in. >> talk about where the campaign focus is on now. >> it's on completely destroying nikki haley, you mentioned it yourself, putting out a blast that shows all of the lawmakers that supported him in south carolina. they have a goal of embarrassing her in her home state. we saw him do it with ron desantis, and now they're going to do it with they'll. that was part of the strategy of having senator tim scott come out, endorse him before new hampshire. because they want to say, look at this, people in her own home state do not support her. they brought out the governor there, mcmaster who worked with haley. they brought out congressmen from south carolina who endorsed

trump. you're going to see ta lot of that. you're going to see donald trump lashing out on smoocial media. he is angry she didn't drop out, and didn't like her celebratory tone in that speech. >> real change in tone from iowa for sure. thank you for the reporting. the biden team going on offense today, consumer confidence is up. interest rates are falling. the white house hopes this is all good news for the president. they hope he's going to get some credit for the economy. he's delivering a big speech today in wisconsin. priscilla alvarez is at the white house with more. janet yellen giving a speech in chicago, focusing on the middle class. this is after the president got an important endorsement from the united auto workers union. >> reporter: that's right, poppy, all of this goes to show that president biden is turning the page to the general election. as you mentioned, he's going to battleground wisconsin today, a state that he narrowly won in 2020, and it gives him another

chance to needle former president donald trump over something he wasn't able to accomplish in office, which was an infrastructure bill. now, what the president will be doing in wisconsin is making the connection of what his legislative accomplishments have done for the voters in wisconsin. a fresh round of funding for a bridge that serves as a transit between wisconsin and minnesota. of course this comes on the heels of that key endorsement you're seeing there of the united auto workers union just yesterday. they had withheld endorsing president biden over his concerns over support of electric vehicles. they prvovided the crucial endorsement which could have an effect in michigan, another battle ground state that president biden won by three points in 2020. taken together, all of this shows the opportunities and challenges for president biden in the months to come. crucially, making voters of wha

office and what they're seeing on the ground day-to-day, be it infrastructure or the economy. poppy, phil. >> a huge question heading into a huge ten months ahead. in moments, karine jean-pierre will join us live in studio to discuss this and more. stay with us. the boeing 737 max 9, planes could be cleared for takeoff weeks after the door plug blew out on the alaska airlines flight. our reporting on that just ahead. the chairman of the arizona republican party is stepping down after being caught on tape trying to bribe a candidate to stay out of the senate race she got in. we'll play it for you next.

republican party stepping down after an audio recording of a conversation he had with kari lake. it was leaked to the daily mail. jeff dewit tried to bribe her to keep her out of the race. in the audio, he was asked by

very powerful people whether there were companies that could put lake on their payroll, and that would keep her from running. >> is there a number at which -- >> i can be bought? that's what it's about. >> take a pause for a couple of years and go right back to what you're doing. >> no. 10 million, 20 million, a billion, no, this is not about money. this is about our country. >> he said his discussions were transparent and intended to offer perspective, not coercion. let's bring in kyung lah, this is a juicy political story on so many levels. can you walk us what has transpired since the audio went public. >> let me talk about the response in arizona political circles. it was what? these are political allies. they are known as close personal friends. they both come from trump world. you heard what dewit recorded

it, something she's known to do from her enemies. all of this gets dropped and jeff dewit decides to resign as the head of the arizona republican party. he released a lengthy statement, quote, i received an ultimatum from lake's team, resign today or face the release of a new, more damaging recording. i'm truly unsure of its contents but considering our numerous past open conversations as friends, i have dpecided not to take the risk. i'm resigning adds lake requested in the hope she will honor her commitment to cease her attacks. wipe the mud off your screen, everybody, this is your daily window into state level politics and battles. >> among friends. >> this is trump world. >> here's how she responded. let's listen. >> he tried to act like the behavior you heard on that audio

is normal communication amongst friends. it's disgusting, and i think he did a horrible job and he should have just apologized, resigned, and apologized and said he's going to work to do better. >> she also took questions throw all of that. i wonder what stood out to you. >> this was a live stream, and it wasn't necessarily that she took questions or what she looked like or what she said. it was the fundraising tab right below that video on the live stream that really caught my eye. she is running to be arizona's next senator. she is a republican. she wants to clear the field. she is facing an expensive race against democratic challenger re ruben gallego, this recorded ten months ago, dropped suddenly today. >> i'm stuck, more damaging stuff could come out. i don't know what it could be, i'm so scared, i'm going to resign. what on earth are they talking

about. the idea that this, as you noted, trump world allies, friends, what does this tell you right now? you have covered these races so closely over the years? >> it is, you know, chew up, spit out politics right now. and here in this republican party, they are in the state of arizona, which is a critical swing state. it is a state where we are seeing a huge battle between the maga republicans and the establishment republicans. jeff dewit was brought in to create this bridge between that two. clearly that bridge, according to kari lake, she doesn't want it, and she is certainly a vocal voice in the maga movement. >> thank you for bringing all of that. president biden hitting the campaign trail in wisconsin today. he's going to focus on the economy and jobs. white house press secretary karine jean-pierre with us live in studio to preview all of it. stay with h us.

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this morning, president biden is heading to a critical battleground state, wisconsin, to push es his economic message. the president and his team going on offense this week on the heels of improving consumer sentiment, which jumped a stunning 13% from december, reaching it highest level since july of 2021. biden is leaning into how t

economy is one of the defining issues. at least according to polls is less than a third approve of his approach. the trip to wisconsin comes a day after an endorsement from united auto workers. that could have implications in another state, michigan. there are deep divisions over his handling of the war between israel and hamas. they have spilled into public view, including yesterday, again, as he spoke to the auto workers. >> no matter what that was, did should be -- >> [ chanting ] >> joining us now is white house press secretary karine jean-pierre. good to have you up here. i know this is your home city. i want to get to the economy in a sec. to start there, because i think it's interesting, the president never criticizes that, always says first amendment right, says he understands. behind the scenes, how does

stuff like that impact him, affect him? >> look, what you see from the president, as you know, the president is very forthright, he's very open, he doesn't hide how he feels, and what you saw from him there is basically what he believes. americans have the right to voice their concerns and their opinion, as long as they're doing it peacefully. he gets that. as commander in chief, he has an obligation to our allies to make sure that, for example, israel is able to defend itself. we have to remember what happened on october 7th. what happened on october 7th is hamas, a terrorist organization, a terrorist organization that uses, let's be very clear, uses innocent palestinian civilians and embeds themselves in hospital, embeds themselves in places where civilians live and that's what they do. that is what they're doing. and so they attacked israel on october 7th. and the president believes they have a right to defend themselves. now, we have been very clear, they have to do that within the international humanitarian law.

we have been very clear with that. we have had conversations with them. we've seen how they are now basically lowering their intensity, moving out of certain parts of gaza. that's happening because of conversations the president has had. one more important thing is the president has been working around the clock to make sure we get to the humanitarian pause because it's important that we get hostages home to their friend and families. the people who love them, and get that humanitarian aid in to gaza. the medical needs that they have. the food needs that they have. so all of those things are critical. >> there are so many moving parts. >> there are so many moving parts. several countries, most notably the white house. you attribute the lowered intensity to the conversations the president had with benjamin netanyahu. we brought that out in conversations. part of the frustration with democrats who support the president on the issue is prime minister netanyahu. peter welch said there's a growing impatience with the netanyahu blowing off the president, disregarding our support for a two-state

solution. it seems like that publicly. the prime minister said, no two-state solution. the president makes clear that's a corner stone. repeatedly it seems like the prime minister is not listening when the president talks. is that wrong? >> i'm not going to characterize what the prime minister is saying. i'm just going to not do that. what i can speak to is what the president has said. he has been very steadfast on this that the way to move forward is a two-state solution. it is the right thing for the israeli people. it's the right thing for palestinians. they need to live and feel security and live in peace. that is the way we can move forward. i'm not going to characterize what he is saying. i'm going to be very clear and the president has been clear, a two-state solution is the way to move forward. >> the president doesn't feel like he's being blown off by netanyahu? >> you have also heard the president say they have had a decades long, more than several-day-old long relationship, right, they are able to speak to each other in a very frank and honest way. they have those conversations. certainly not going to speak to

the conversations in public. we have read out the most recent conversation they have had. we read that to the american people, and they get a sense of how that went. i'm going to continue to say and lay out where this president stands and what he believes should be next, which is a two-state solution for that reason. . >> is there a concern when you see the protests that the coalition that has been so critical to the president, young voters, you know, arab-american voters in michigan, places like that. it's a risk if this continues the way it's been going. >> i'm not going to get into hypotheticals here. i'm going to be careful. this is a political year. kwha what i can say is the president has been there to listen to young voters. if you think about what the president has been able to accomplish the last three years, whether it's student loans, making sure he kept his promise to do everything he can even though he was blocked by republicans, blocked bit courts, he took action and moved forward with policies. was able to get bars.

about $136 billion for 4 million borrowers. that's important, and he's going to continue to do the work. climate change is something that young people really truly care about. the president has had an aggressive approach in pushing policy forward to deal with climate change while republicans, if you think about the inflation reduction act, which is a historic piece of legislation that deals with climate change, they didn't vote for it. >> they want to repeal it. >> right. they want to repeal. he wants to continue to be a voice and put folpolicy forwardr all americans. >> there has been a long running dispute between the texas governor and the biden administration that has continued that includes a supreme court ruling, the homeland security has asked for access to a park in dispute. doesn't seem like they have gotten it. they are allowed to cut down razor wire.

some democrats are saying the president needs to federalize the texas national guard. is that something that could happen? >> i'll say this, you know, the border patrol agents are allowed to cut through the wire because of what the supreme court laid out. it's unfortunate that we had to go there. it's unfortunate that there's a governor in texas, governor abbott, who has politicized what's happening on the border. it's making harder for law enforcement at the border to do their job. we have been very clear, we want to make sure we get something done at the border. that's why we have been having these conversations with senate republicans and democrats for the past several weeks to come up with a bipartisan agreement to deal with the border. and look, the governor is not interested in that. governor abbott is not interested in that. he wants to politicize an issue, and he's not helping communities. he actually isn't. and he's actually putting border patrol agents in harm's way by doing what he's doing. i'm not going to speak to actions the president may not take but we have been very clear on this.

>> economy. i asked you probably 6 million questions about the economy when we sat in the briefing room. >> by the way, i miss you in the briefing room. >> i miss being in the briefing room. >> new york is nice too. >> it's my hometown. >> the consumer sentiment numbers is upwards, the latest surprised everybody. as he goes into the moment, for months you have been frustrated that there's not been a correlation with public sentiment from the top line numbers, that all defied expectations. do you feel like the corner is being turned right now, people are getting it, that it's landing and, not only will this not be a drag heading into the campaign season, this is going to be a benefit for the president. >> i'm going to be careful about the campaign season. consumer sentiments, people are feeling what the economy is doing, and we have to remember, this didn't happen by accident. what we're seeing with the trends, the economic trends, it's because of what this president has done. he has put equity at the center of everything that he's talked about when it comes to the

economy. 14 million jobs created last year, 2.7 million jobs created. unemployment under 4%. wages are up. that matters. he's going to take about that today in wisconsin. which he's excited to go to. he's going to talk specifically about a bridge. that bridge, if we had not invested in the bridge, the $1 million that's going to the bridge because of the bipartisan infrastructure legislation, it would have shut down by 2030. now jobs are going to be created. it is an artery connecting wisconsin to minnesota. it is so critical and important. obviously the president is going to talk more about this later today. >> the big bridge in kentucky, i know you got to go. one last one. we have been doing this for 20 months. this is a grind of a job, any administration, regardless of party. >> are you keeping track 20 months. >> i used to cover the white house, i was there on your first day of the job. are you sticking around for

eternity? >> as long as the president wants me on the job, i'm going to be here. i love my job. i get to know folks like you, speak on behalf of the president of the united states, and it is important. it is important what we're trying to do, trying to bring back the economy. trying to do things that's going to affect generations to come, that invest in america that you hear the president talk about. there is no other place that i would want to be right now than speaking for president biden. >> appreciate you coming up here and speaking with us. karine jean-pierre, thank you so much. >> great to have you in studio, come back. we like having you here. >> good to see you. >> we know you don't get to sleep. >> but look, we're matching today. >> and you're not getting phil back. he's not coming back to the briefing room. don't try. thank you very much. we appreciate it. developing this morning, boeing's 737 max 9 jets could be flying soon, maybe even this weekend nearly a month after that door plug blew off a plane flight. and leaked audio allegedly capturing benjamin netanyahu criticizing qatar, a key

intermediaiary in the isisrael-s war. we have e that leakeked recordi next..

boeing 737 max 9 jets could be flying as soon as this weekend, according to alaska and united airlines, the two big u.s. carriers that fly these planes. the planes have been grounded since the door plug blew out of an alaska airlines flight earlier this month. it left a hole the size of a refrigerator in the side of the aircraft mid flight. look at this video obtained by cnn from one row behind where that door plug blew off. fortunately the pilot managed a safe landing.

>> "new york times" citing a person familiar with the matter, a month before this max 9 was delivered to alaska airlines in october, that door plug was opened and later reinstalled by workers in a boeing factory, at the request of spirit aero systems because work needed to be don't on the rivets. the faa cleared the way for the planes to return to service if they pass inspections. p pete muntean is joining us from washington. they can flew max 9s again, if you're a normal person watching this, you're saying, why, how? >> well, a lot of people are concerned about whether or not it is safe, and i asked the faa administrator about that. we'll get to it in a second. the latest is the faa has done its part. it's ended the 19-day long emergency grounding of the 737 max 9. it reviewed the data from boeing, from airlines and about a quarter of the fleet that's out there in the u.s., so the max 9 can fly again, but not before airlines do final checks of each of the planes.

here's what the faa is calling for. a detailed visual inspection of the door plug, that's the part that violently shot off alaska 1282 two weeks ago, f a wants checks of bolts and guides that hold the door plug on the plane and any abnormal conditions to be corrected. both airlines that operate the planes in the u.s. found loose door plug bolts. alaska airlines has 65 max nines. inspections will take 12 mohour. the first few will be flying as soon as friday. united airlines has 75 max 9s, its planes will start flying on sunday. after being forced to cancel thousands of flights, even still, the question a lot of people have is are these planes truly safe? important to note, the ntsb has not finished its investigation and this week i asked that question to faa administrator mike whitaker.

should the flying public feel safe being on a max 9 when it is ultimately ungrounded? >> if the aircraft is ungrounded that means we believe it's air worthy. if it's air worthy, the aircraft is safe. i can say we're not going to let the aircraft back in the air until we're convinced that that issue has been taken care of. >> one other big piece of news from the faa, it says it will deny requests by boeing to expand max production, that is while the faa is doing an audit of boeing's quality control. the faa chief told me inspectors are on the ground now at boeing's plant in renton, washington, where boeing is halting production for the day today and hears from workers about where things can be improved. >> and a big day for dave calhoun on the hill saying in that gaggle our planes are safe to fly. pete, thanks for your excellent reporting. a leaked audio recording allegedly captured israeli prime

minister benjamin netanyahu criticizing qatar. a voice believed to be netanyahu's calls qatar, quote, problematic and says it is not doing enough to pressure hamas to free more hostages. there's criticism towards the u.s. for a military deal with qatar. the recording aired on israeli television last night. take a listen. >> translator: for me, qatar is no different in essence from the u.n., it is no different in essence from the red cross and in a certain sense, it is even -- >> translator: worse? >> translator: more problematic. i was very angry recently, and i didn't hide it from the americans that they renewed the contract on the military base they have with qatar. >> qatar's foreign ministry called the remarks appalling but not surprising. nic robertson joins us from tel aviv. can you talk about this? cnn cannot verify that that is netanyahu's voice. he hasn't come up with a denial

of that. talk about the significance of that in this moment. >> reporter: yeah, and we can certainly verify the barbed nature of qatar's response. they feel hurt by this. they said of course if this audio is verified as being the prime minister, so they have that caveat as well. look, just go back a couple of days here. the qataris are the intermediaries between israel and hamas were saying everything is working, you know, both sides are taking the situation seriously. communications are going backwards and forwards, and of course back in november, the qataris were central to the release of a hundred hostages but hamas and the short pause in the fighting back then. so this is huge right now. the qataris are saying, right at the moment where they have the remaining hostages freed is underway, they're saying this is obstructive, undermining, they say it's irresponsible, they're

very very critical. this is strong diplomatic language to be used against the israeli prime minister. and they're also saying, and this is where it gets particularly barbed that they're questioning whether or not prime minister netanyahu in a machiavellian way is putting his own political interests ahead of the interests of the hostages because what they're implying is the destruction and trust that this does to get the hostages out essentially slows that process. many people recognize if there's a pause in fighting, a long one, that would be expected to go with the release of hostages, that may be the end to the war in gaza in real terms, and that can also trigger, therefore, the questions about prime minister netanyahu's political leadership in the country. so that's what the qataris are saying. this is very tough diplomatic language. >> those questions he has punted on answering, he says, until the war is over.

thank you. fresh off his win in new hampshire, donald trump heading back here to new york city. he'll be in the courtroom as the trial in the e. jean carroll case continueses against him. >> an experert in sociaial polarirization joioins us nextx.

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♪ ♪ we hear it all the time. america right now is more divided, more polarized than ever before. consider this 2022 poll from pugh. 72% of republicans said democrats are more immoral than other americans, up from 47%. 63% of democrats said the same about republicans, up from 35% in 2016. the question is why. why do these political divisions appear so intense? >> social polarization expert, liliana mason offered this answer to the "washington post," quote, it's polarization that's based on our feelings for each

other, not based on extremely divergent policy preferences. and she joins us this morning. she's a political science professor at johns hopkins, also the coauthor of radical american partisanship, mapping violent hostility, causes and consequences for democracy. we're chatting with you in the break saying this is the kitchen table topic, outside of affordability in the economy, people are so mad, and families around america are trying to figure out why. i think we know how we got here. how do you diagnose this american disease? fair to call it that? >> i would say it's sort of a puzzle. basically 10 to 15 years ago we started noticing political scientists started noticing that americans on average actually don't have extreme policy preferences, and the preferences of democrats and republicans are pretty overlapping, even still. but what has really changed is that democrats and republicans

really hate each other a lot more, and that level of hate and animosity is really increasing. and so that was the puzzle for us was why do we have relatively overlapping policy preferences and we hate each other, and the answer to that puzzle at this point is we have the different identities between the two parties that make us feel different from one another. racially and religiously, and culturally, and geographically, democrats and republicans are divided more than they really have been in decades, and that is making it possible for us to kind of dehumanize each other and think of each other as enemies more than opponents. >> can i push back on that, when i look at people's views on abortion, for example, and immigration right now, those policy issues seem wildly divergent, but you're saying it's not that. it's driven by the feeling, the emotion? >> no, not entirely. it's that the policies are, i mean, we all hold multiple policy preferences and these

measures are an average of all of them. what has changed is our political leaders, particularly donald trump has changed the salience of particular issues. where people maybe didn't think about immigration when they were going into the voting booth 20 years ago, they're thinking a lot more about it now. their preference about immigration policies hasn't changed. it's the weight they give it when they're making >> have we had moments like this in the past? republicans and democrats say this country has gone through a lot of borderline awful moments in the past. is this different? if so, why? >> we have had many times of social upheaval in the country. thinking about the 1960s, 1970s, there was social upheaval. it wasn't organized around party lines. that has changed today is that our partisan decisions are connected with these ideas about who we are as a country, which

groups of people are winning and losing. so the idea of these social divides becoming connected with what we vote for in the voting booth, that's really what has become much more important in americans' minds. >> one of our favorite guests is a pollster, lee carter. we are not rational beings who are occasionally emotional. we are emotional beings who are occasionally rational. >> that's been true. that's not to say we don't have real conflict between the parties today. in fact, republican wlos who ha the democrats the most are most resentful against black americans. democrats who hate republicans the most are least resdeentful black americans.

there are real drissues that affect us. it's easy to find a democrat and republican in the electorate who have a lot in common, according to what they think the role of government should be. it's just that on these really divisive issues, they have become -- those issues have become the core of our political debate rather than something we sort of push back when we think about who to vote for. >> it's antic interesting conversation. thank you very much. >> my pleasure. as january wraps up, so does a month of sobriety for many americans. dr. sanjay gupta joins us to discuss why it might be here to stay.

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you got one of these in. >> i do. >> you go, alexa, what's the goal of dry january? >> to let everyone on social media know that you are doing dry january. >> no truer words. the end of dry january is fast approaching, which means many americans will have to decide whether to crack open a cold one or keep the sobriety going. for more on how the choices affect your health, let's bring in chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta. good morning. the question that everyone will have to answer themselves. you are not supposed to have more than one drink for women or two drinks for men a day. how does our health relate to this? >> yeah. this is interesting. it has changed, i think, from a medical consensus standpoint over the last 100 years, since the time of prohibition. the general consensus is that

there's no amount of alcohol that is good for your health. that's not what people necessarily want to hear. let me back up for a second. go back to the 1920s. look at this graph. focus on this for a second. this is what started off our thinking about alcohol and health. this is 100 years ago. this is basically looking at how many drinks per day, going from zero to five. what they found was that people who had zero drinks had higher mortality than if you started to slowly increase alcohol. when you got to two drinks per day or so, you still had lower than average mortality than the general population. once you started to get more than that, then your mortality started to go up. this is the j curve. this j curve in statistics is what started our thinking about alcohol and health. that was 100 years ago. over the last 100 years, things have changed. that was the conventional wisdom for a long time, for several

decades. in the '80s is when you started to get studies that first started to question alcohol's benefit on health. the links to breast cancer, for example, to stroke. then in the early '90s, 30 years ago, there was something known as the french paradox that came about. you may have heard of this. it was a question saying, the french, they eat all this saturated fat, they smoke, they have lower mortality. what gives? they pointed to wine potentially, red wine as being something that was helpful. over the last decade or so, the evidence has started to mount that there is no amount of alcohol that is good for your overall health. that's where the medical community sort of stands on this today. having said that, i will share one thing with you. i found this interesting. i dug it up last night. if you look at americans over the last 100 years, since the end of prohibition, whether you drink or not, that has stayed relatively the same.

about two-thirds of americans say they do drink. differing amounts for different people. but this is compared to people who abstain completely, which is about a third of americans who say they absolutely don't drink, not just the month of january, but all year long. >> sanjay, aside from social media, proponents of dry january claim it has significant health benefits. does it? >> the study that got my attention specifically was -- i have a family history of heart disease. just one drink per day will actually increase your systolic blood pressure, the top number of your blood pressure. just one drink per day. if you are somebody who doesn't even have hypertension, doing that one drink will be problematic. not drinking, beneficial. liver enzymes -- alcohol is metabolized by the liver. your liver enzymes will