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good evening and thanks for joining us. we begin with a massive bill when new york federal jury former president found liable, emotional harm he caused by repeated verbal attacks on e. jean carroll while he was president, some of his followers turned to serious threats against her. $11 million for damage she suffered to reputation and $65 million in punitive damages. $83.3 million total. no comment from her or her team as they left the courthouse in lower manhattan making their way

through a sea of cameras and reporters. in a moment we will hear from her attorney, roberta kaplan since the verdict. and another tropic user, jessica leads, witness in the first lawsuit in which she told jurors the former president broker on an airplane on cross- country flight. he denies those claims. he responded to the verdict on social media saying he will appeal the case, adding, quote, our legal system is out of control and used as a political weapon. they have taken away offers imminent rights, this is not america. not so minor detail, the persimmon it does not cover defamation, mr. trump's lawyer, who spoke a short time after the verdict either ignored or did not understand this trial was only about damages and complained about not being allowed to reargue what another jury determined, namely that her client sexually abused e. jean carroll. >> there was no proof and i

could not prove she did not bring in the dress, there was no dna, there was no expert, my experts were denied, two of them were denied to come in. >> that is not what the trial was about, all of that was determined and explicitly not part of the case, she knows that. what this case was about was what the former president should pay for repeatedly and cruelly defending his victim. this is some of what he has said about e. jean carroll. >> i met a woman in current of bergdorf, picked her up outside a changing booth outside the cash registers. this is new york city? why didn't you [ screaming ]? i was in trouble. i don't know who this woman is, i have no idea who this woman is. i have no idea who she is, where she came from. i know nothing about this nut job. this is a first, i had no idea until this happened. i had no idea who she was and

nor could i care less. she says that i did something to her that never took place. >> it is a totally false accusation. they said he did not rape her, i did nothing because i have no idea who the hell she is here this is a woman that accused other men of things. it is politically incorrect, she is not my type. that is 100% true, she's not my type. is another scam, political witchhunt. i swear i have no idea who the hell she is, she is a whack job. the former president and adjudicated abuser on the hook more than $80 million. a few minutes ago i spoke with e. jean carroll's attorney, roberta kaplan. what is her reaction to this? >> i don't have the adjectives to describe it, she is overjoyed, she cried, showed more emotion than i have seen

her so in a long time. she feels like she got justice from the jury today, from the court and she feels she has stood up and she has for almost every woman that has been defamed, kicked down, shut up. i think she feels she played a part making things better for women everywhere. >> can you take us inside the courtroom? during your closing statement, the former president got up and left, did you see that? it is a small courtroom? >> the crazy part about it, i was not focused on him. i was standing here, he was to my left but i was facing the jury to my right. the only way i know it happened, i was trying to zone him out, when the judge said that president trump had just left the courtroom. >> the judge made a point of putting into the record that he left. >> correct obviously the jury saw it, my partner crowley spoke

after it, you saw the kind of guy he is, pretty much what he did in the courtroom today is everything our case is about.'s head you think that act, getting up and walking out hurt or made indifference with the jury? >> i think it hurt him terribly. the whole case was about the fact donald trump is unable to follow the law, unable to follow the rules, he does not think they apply to him. as bad as what he did to e. jean carroll was in the sexual assault and as horrifying as the defamation was in 2019, the most amazing shocking part of it all is he kept on doing it. he kept doing it during the trial. what other person think they can openly break the law over and over again? donald trump. >> the punitive damages were higher , i don't know if they

were higher than you anticipated. >> we were very happy with the punitive damages awarded. >> why do you think they were so high, because of his behavior? >> the lot punitive damages, the jury is allowed to and should consider what it will take, what monetary amount it will take to get the person to stop. >> the idea for the jury was it will take a big number to get this guy to stop. >> exactly. all he understands his money so you should reward an amount of money that will make him stop. whether that will succeed, i don't know. i hope it will. >> if he continues to defame her, will there be more, potential there's another case? >> i'm too good of a lawyer to tell you that but everything is on the table. >> he should be on notice about what he says from now on. >> he should be on notice and if he keeps saying it, it could cost him a lot more money. >> what is the likelihood this ruling will stand or that the damages will stand? >> very high. we had one of the best most well-respected judges in new york city, judge kaplan, no relation. the jury was great. all of the tough legal issues in the case

have been dealt with. the issue about what he said as president dealt with under the westfall act, the issue of him waving presidential immunity dealt with by the second circuit. there's not much left to appeal. >> the steps are, second circuit? >> they will go to the second circuit which we have won in this case three times now but they will go against the second circuit. there is not much left to argue. >> what would be grounds for him to appeal? are there particular things that happened in the court or filings that occurred? >> you will hear what people are hearing i'm told what he and his lawyer alina habba said today, the judge was unfair, he should have had a do over, retry the assault and defamation again. that it was biased, he was not allowed to speak, yada yada yada, none of that is true. he had the first trial he could've possibly had with one of the most experience judges in the country, none of it is

remotely persuasive. >> if the second circuit declines or rules against him, can he take it higher? >> he can't take the defamation claims higher. maybe bring up some of the issues of presidential immunity but that has already been litigated as well. it is very unlikely. >> plenty of cases where the jury awards a huge verdict and gets knocked down later on pick do you anticipate e. jean carroll saying the money? >> she was he the money. the kind of ratios courts are concerned about are over 6 to 1. we are well within that range. based on compensatory damages. if you're compensatory damages are 18 million, 65 punitive, it is not that big of a ratio. i can't imagine any court having a problem with it. >> is it possible, there have been plaintiff defendants with a big judgment against them and somehow finagle a way, declare bankruptcy, figure out a way

not to pay? >> i think you will have to pay . whether it requires him to sell something or put a lien on something to get a loan, that is his problem, not ours. judge kaplan, judge reinforcement mechanisms will make sure he pays. even to take the appeal, he will have to put up a bond of 20% of the amount. >> you are obviously very experienced, what was his whole experience in the courtroom like ? >> i have been to a lot of courtrooms in my time, especially new york city and i have seen a lot of judges. i have never seen a party so openly contemptuous of the authority of court and the authority of our justice system, legitimacy of our justice system as donald trump. i think the best thing today other than the vindication e. jean carroll so deserve is that today was a good day for our system of justice. it was a day that showed the rule of law applies to everyone, even if you don't think the rule of law applies to you, it applies to you and it applied

to donald trump. >> when i see depositions of the former president, someone sued as much as he has and involved in lawsuits and deposed often, he seems like a terrible witness in depositions . i have not seen them on the stand but i imagine understand as well, how do you rate him as a defendant giving his experience with the justice system? >> to be a good party in a case and a good witness, you want the jury to believe you and that you tell the truth. a very big problem donald trump is that nobody believes he tells the truth. in this case, he lied again on the stand. he said i stand by everything i said in my deposition which was i did nothing to e. jean carroll can never met her, she is a whack job, never heard of her. he not only committed perjury but the jury themselves saw him commit perjury and watched his deposition video where he pointed out that famous photo of him and ivana and e. jean carroll and her then husband,

and he says that is -- my favorite part is monty realizes he makes a mistake, it is a blurry photo. it is a scene photo you're looking at today. >> thank you so much. joining us is jessica leeds who testified in the first e. jean carroll trial, she swore under oath that the former president assaulted her in the 1970s and talked about her allegations years ago on this interview. this is her first interview since the verdict. what is your reaction to what happened today? >> i am pleased, i'm pleased for jean and for what it says about our legal system and sinking the sexual aggression situation seriously. >> do you think this will change in a way the former president speaks about women who have made accusations against him? do you think he will stop

defaming e. jean carroll? >> i would hope so but i would be unwilling to make a bet that he would. >> i wonder what you made of how the former president's legal team tried to depict ms. carroll , she did not take any responsibility for that media, press frenzy or public profile that she wanted and still enjoys. >> it was an interesting defense. if she as a person ever experience what e. jean carroll has experienced, she would not be using that as bringing all of those issues up because they don't apply. what she suffered and how she suffered, she lost her job, she lost everything and the threats that this society has been thrown against her because of trump being unable to keep his mouth shut are serious and not

to be taken lightly just like our wonderful congress people who can't seem to stand up to trump either because they are afraid. they are afraid of him which is what bullies do. he is a consummate bully. >> i wonder what you made of the former president walking out of the courtroom during closing argument. >> i'm not surprised. i think it was stupid and i think he will regret that he did that. it is par for the course of his temperament. >> why do you think it was important to testify last year on ms. carroll's behalf ? >> i was asked and since i had come forward, this was 2016, my little moment of notoriety has happened. i figured if i was

willing to come forward then, i should be willing to come forward now. >> do you regret coming forward back then? >> regret? well, it is a little disconcerting. i feel seriously having worked all of these years, having raised children, having had a life that this issue of sexual aggression is one that our society really, really needs to think about and to do something about. women should be able to go to work and not be harassed. they should be able to go to cultural events, they should be able to socialize and not be harassed.

and if i feel that seriously about it, i should step forward . >> you had said when you can board back then, not only did you describe what happened on that airplane, that you had run into donald trump later on at a party in new york and that he had turned and recognized you and said a disgusting word to you, an insult. i'm wondering if you have any message for donald trump tonight ? >> i think at this stage, donald trump, i really almost believe him when he says he does not note e. jean carroll. i don't think she rated any memory, any lasting memory. the reason why my experience with him was so firmly cemented was because of the run and i had with him a year or so later. that made the whole thing,

reliving it again. i don't know whether it is possible for him to learn or whether he is even going to be able to figure out what is wrong and do something about it. he is basically a lost cause. he is what he is right now and that is what we have to deal with. >> jessica leeds, thank you for being with us. coming up next, what we saw inside the courtroom, reaction from the trump camp. later, clarissa ward investigates the shooting of people in gaza h holding up whi flags whwhen they were s shocke.

a few moments ago with first interview since jury awarded her client $83 million, e. jean carroll's attorney, roberta kaplan, talked about the case. i want to replay a moment from a conversation when she spoke at what stood about to her most about trump's behavior. >> our whole case was about the fact donald trump is unable to follow the law, unable to follow the rules, he thinks they do not apply to him. as bad as what he did to e. jean carroll was in the sexual assault was terrible and as horrifying as the defamation was in 2019, the most amazing shocking part of it all is he

kept on doing it. he kept on doing it during the trial. when other person thinks they can openly take the lot over and over again? donald trump. >> joining our panel, donald trump fleeced america and enriched his family. >> the moment donald trump stood up and walked out in the middle of roberta kaplan's closing arguments, 10 minutes in. it was at the moment she brought up this point where she said he did not respect the last jury's verdict. he was on cnn town hall repeating the statements that are not found defamatory, repeated them throughout the trial and repeated on the stand when he testified. that solidified the point. the argument to the jury was nothing will make the man stop but money because that is what

matters to him, not the truth. weakened when you interviewed him, did you realize the time, how significant it was he was doing it again? >> we were preparing for the town hall and the verdict came down the day before. obviously it was expected how he would respond to this the way he has been constantly where he goes after her, talked about his interview with you from several years ago, is he defaming her right now? you can see it on the stage. one thing that came up during the trial, something clearly effective his argument e. jean carroll's attorneys made in the argument to the jury, she felt worthless when he made those comments at the town hall the day after the verdict came out. that was the argument here. i was talking to former trump attorneys and people in his world today, they say what is the most effective is saying

hit donald trump where it hurts, he has all this money, this is why the damages should be so high because this is the only way to send a message. >> how significant is this verdict? >> significant numbers, compensatory damages that signifies the jury credited e. jean carroll testament how she was harmed by his defamatory statements and testimony from experts on what to do to repair her reputation given he made these statements while he was president by the united states. the big punitive damage award means they felt it was important to send a message to him, moral condemnation for what he had done and what was necessary to deter him from doing it in the future. the relationship between the numbers, compensatory damages and punitive, it is reasonable. the courts do where it is expected, too much what the compensatory's work and it is 3.6, that is generally viewed as reasonable. i think this is a number that sends a strong message but likely upheld on appeal. >> do you agree with roberta

kaplan, his behavior in the court in front of the jury impacted the jury, they sought with their own alleys. >> no question you look at punitive damages, it is a referendum on your conduct and behavior. if you're having the narrative as her team did, e. jean carroll's, this is a person immune from any notion of the core, respect, and how our process works. we want you jurors to hold them accountable once and for all with his love language, the love language of money. in the event you do that, perhaps he will understand. i think that was detrimental, the walking out and it fed into their narrative about what are we going to do to stop that, that is what they did to stop it. >> what is $83.3 million mean to donald trump? is he liquid in that way, where does the money come from? >> we may discover how much smoke and mirrors are donald's

finances. in a deposition, he had $400 million cash. i would not trust that for two seconds. when donald bought mar-a-lago, he told everybody he paid cash. i have in my home the letter from chase bank promising to never reveal he took out a mortgage for 125% of the purchase price. his finances, what he says about his finances and reality are not connected. interesting to see, does he have the 16 million for a bond so he can appeal? >> you think he does not have that money, in order to appeal as roberta kaplan said, he needs to put up that percentage . >> 20% bond, we don't know, what cross collateralization, what debts we are not aware that donald has. i would be surprised if you ever had $400 million sitting in the bank, which is what he

testified to in this case. >> what more have you heard about how the former president is reacting? >> we knew he was angry and we knew it is coming, there is a reason he left court before the verdict was read. his attorneys had a pretty good idea given how long it took the jury to deliberate what was coming their way. did they think it would be this high? i don't think they realize that at first. >> why do you think he left the court? to make a statement he thought would play well in terms of fund-raising his supporters down the road? clearly, his behavior in court hurt in front of the jury. does he feel he must have known that? >> i don't think it is that strategic, pure anger, the way to get to donald trump is to get to his money. he does not like to pay his attorney, people that work for him, he does not want to be separated from his money. if you talk to anyone that worked for him, it irks him so much. the idea he will have to pay potentially e. jean carroll this much money, it is a case

that gets under his skin like few of the others do i think because of what is at the heart of this. it bothers the former first lady melania trump. i think it is all part of it, i don't think it was strategy he left early. they knew he would be in great, the text messages going around, i would not want to be the people getting on a plane because he was getting on his plane going to nevada when the verdict came out. >> roberta kaplan seems confident there's not much ground for appeal. >> they say they will appeal this, they have appealed repeatedly, that is the trump pattern every turn. there are limited avenues of appeal. just to go back to the money part, he is also awaiting judgment with the new york attorney general civil fraud trial seeking over $300 million. the judge has in the summary judgment his financial statements were false. it is about how much he will have to pay. that could be a significant

amount of money. when you combine the two and look at what actual cash does he -- to cover this big expense. >> he does have properties to take loans out on. >> yes, he could sell properties, which he would be very low to do. at the end of the day, do i think there is $83 million? probably. i don't think he will be able to just write a check. there is likely to be litigation about his making the payment for not making it as required, that is down the road a little ways but i think it is revealing about donald's finances and what he has claimed. eight years ago, almost nine years ago, he claimed he was worth over $10 billion. when he became president, his financial form when i count it came out a little over one, forbes says three, nowhere near 10.

>> what would appeals process, can he be forced to pay? you do hear about rogue characters who are on the hook for a lot of money that have not paid. >> roberta kaplan covered in her interview earlier with you, he can be required to post a bond pending appeal. that would require some essentially to put up the bond for the first case when he got a verdict against him, not posting cash. >> for him to file appeal and get appeal he has to put up 20%? >> no. he does not have to pay in order to appeal. in terms of satisfying the judgment entered against him, he has to pay now which he will not want to do or to avoid having to do that, he will have to put up the money in a safe place, in as in cash which is what he did with the first trial verdict so it sits there and will be available to e. jean carroll if she prevails on

appeal which i expect she would . if he does not want to put up the whole amount in cash, he has to put up a bond in which he puts up a percentage of it and somebody secures it for him and he would pay interest on the loan. those are his options. >> do you agree he does not have much avenue for appeal? >> he could, that is the reality. what happens is they will look at the reasonableness of the award, i think they will attack it. they will examine the egregious nest of his behavior, potentially look at other awards and make a distinction whether this in light of the other awards is reasonable and appropriate. i think based upon that, determination made as to whether or not this is a figure that considering the totality of the circumstances should be upheld by the system. i think that in addition to everything else you heard about the attack on appeal will be what it is. is it a reasonable sum and predicated on the conduct and dissimilar to other cases?

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tonight's breaking news, $83.3 million jury verdict against the former president, the damages he is ordered to pay to writer e. jean carroll about defamatory statements he made about her. her attorney, roberta kaplan said today was a good day for the department of justice. jessica leeds claims he groped her on a commercial flight in the 1970s and testified in carroll's first president.

she said, quote, he is what he is right now and that is what we have to deal with. words for the republican front runner for president. speaking to voters in south carolina and asked about the former president's legal battle. randi kaye. >> reporter: we came to greenville, south carolina to talk to republican women, two supporting nikki haley, three are supporting donald trump. we spoke to them before today's verdict with the e. jean carroll case. i do have some during the interview what they think of these legal troubles and other charges donald trump is facing. here's what they told me, part of it. >> reporter: trump is facing 91 criminal charges, he has been found liable of sexual abuse in the case of e. jean carroll. does any of that give you pause? >> most of that makes me angry. >> i think it is a political witchhunt, 100%. i honestly believe every time they add another charge, it is

adding fuel to the fire for his supporters. when they arrested trump, i was like that's it. that is it, he has my vote 100%. >> reporter: why was that? >> because it is nothing but a political witchhunt. as much as they are coming after him, they are coming after us. >> reporter: was the bar, is there anything to change her mind, any conviction that would change your mind? >> i think our rule of law has been compromised. we need our courts and judges, we need to restore confidence in the law. >> reporter: you heard that one woman, candace, call this a political witchhunt. that is a term the former president likes to use. trump supporters in our group told me they are watching these cases closely. they also told me those cases only reaffirmed their support for the former president. they say they are backing him no matter what.

>> this is the sharpest legal setback for the former president facing multiple criminal and civil cases. joining us are two political commentators. what is the reaction to the jury decision today? >> i think they felt it was completely out of control party and they are trying to send a message that you've got to follow the rules. if donald trump conducted himself the way anybody watching this, including those women, by the way, what have conducted themselves, which is to follow the rules, follow the judge's order's, there would not have been this massive judgment against him. the vast majority of the money is not because of what donald trump did a long time ago, because of how he has been acting ever since. i think this is not going to be reversed on appeal. it is a reasonable attempt of our court system to tell donald trump and anybody else, you can't just flout the law, you

can't continue to insult people when you have already been found liable for doing so. >> nikki haley posted tonight, donald trump wants to be the presumptive nominee, talking $83 million in damages not talking about fixing the border or tackling inflation. america can do better than donald trump and joe biden. is that effective line for her? >> it is one she will continue to take. nikki haley is not coincidently , the gentleman who funded this lawsuit, one of nikki haley's biggest supporters. don't lose sight of that. i disagree with van that the $83 million is reasonable to even those in the courtroom gasped at how outrageous it was . the punitive damages are so high, it is guaranteed to be reversed on appeal. >> all lawyers say that is not the case, based on, we have a number of lawyers say that.

>> have me back on, prove me wrong. i will bet it. >> i'm not saying it, it is what the lawyer say. >> i will bet you $1 million. >> here's the narrative, it is new york city, new york verdict, new york jury. the case was put together by george conway, emails introducing the concept to e. jean carroll. >> what does that matter? is this a deep state thing? >> no, no. you are asking about the political ramifications, that is how we started the segment. the political ramifications are those voters you just heard and others will look at this and say it was started by someone who hates donald trump in george conway, funded by someone that hates donald trump. the verdict was given down by people that hate donald trump in manhattan, that is how it will be viewed politically.

>> nobody wants to be on the hook for $83 million, doesn't help the former president politically? the former supporters randi kaye talked to. it does not give them any pause at all. >> the people drinking the kool- aid, this is a big bucket of kool-aid. if you're donald trump, he says he has $1 million, not liquid, he will have to sell something to pay this off. by the way, this verdict is only 3x of the actual damages. you get 6x, 20 x, the appeals court says no. 3x on punitives is not reversible. they can say whatever they want, he will have to sell something and i think it will hurt donald trump whether it hurts his movement or cause, probably not. >> do you think the former president benefits? walking out of court, his behavior according to those in

the court for e. jean carroll, they all believe that hurt him with the jury which is what resulted in the money. do you think it was strategic, benefits for him doing that in terms of supporters and fund- raising outside? >> i'm not so sure about that, i'm not sure if he stayed in the courtroom or stormed out it will change the narrative. those voters that randi kaye talk to will see or hear. i agree it did not help on the punitive side of things. as you know, president trump is not one who hides his emotions very well, it is right there, wears it on his sleeve. i'm sure he was angry and probably pounded the table and left. now he will have to go on appeal and be hopeful this $83 million is reduced.

as van said, it stacks up. unit the new york attorney general's case, looking somewhere in the range of $250 million as well. it starts to add up even if our a billionaire after a while. >> david, if the real estate case also is a huge verdict against him, if he takes such a financial hit, what does that actually do to the aura of donald trump doesn't make any difference? >> i'm not so sure it makes any aura, he can get a loan or sell his property, i'm sure it hurts his pocketbook. i don't think it will hurt his political viability among the base. if we are talking about the base voters in the primary, you saw randi kaye, you will hear that echoed again throughout set carolina, super tuesday state, look back attractively at iowa and new hampshire, supporters say the same thing. this is all baked in, all of

these cases and indictments are baked in as we see it right now. >> to add on, from a branding point of view, what he has done is positioned himself as a mogul that wins and when he loses he is a martyr. either way, he is a mogul or martyr either way his base loves that. if he is willing to lose billions of dollars to die on the cross for their cause, sickly but brilliantly turn even his losses into a win and that is why people talk about cultlike behavior on the part of his followers. he literally can't lose. whatever he does, he is a champion and winner or losing on your behalf. >> i will say really quickly, all of this becomes kind of mashed together, the alvin bragg case, the case in georgia, the conduct in the case in

georgia. people in america, one big trial of donald trump. i think it does play into the narrative he is persecuted, not prosecuted. high level negotiations were gaza cease-fire potentially. clarissa ward investigating the shooting of a grandmother killed in gaza killed while holding the hand of her grandson waving a white flag. numberer of peoplele shohot whi displayingng a white flag in gagaza. thatat story is nextxt.

several key departments in the israel workings hamas. president biden sent cia director bill burns to meet with intelligence officials from egypt and pray minister of qatar. major step toward hostage cease- fire deal. against the same date you and relief agency operating in gaza fired staff members that israel says participated in the october 7th terror attacks that killed more than 1200 people. the state department temporarily caused funding to that agency. it also comes as the u.n. top court says israel must take all measures to avoid civilian deaths and genocide. notably the court did not call for a cease-fire. clarissa ward has been investigating allegations of civilian in gaza holding white flag that were shot. some of the images as you are about to see are difficult to see. >> reporter: these are the last moments of her life. you can see her here leading a

group of 30 odd people. they are waving white flags, the plea for safe passage out of their neighborhood now surrounded by israeli forces. she holds the hand of her five- year-old grandson tightly and suddenly he quickly runs away. her son rushes toward her. if you slow down the video, you can see her start to turn just before she a shot. as if she had caught sight of something from the angle of her fall and movement of the fleeing group, it is clear the bullet came from the west or the south. cnn has it geo-located the intersection. when he reached his mother, he looked up and saw two israeli tanks ahead of him to the south. 200 meters to the west, we know israeli troops were stationed at the new gaza prep school for boys as captured here in

satellite images and a photograph published november 12th, the day she was killed. >> translator: it is hard for me to look at the pictures. i tried to remember the beautiful gatherings that we shared together. >> reporter: her 18-year-old daughter was further back in the group. now safely in istanbul, she tells us the family agonized over whether to leave their home. after two nights of the most intense compartment yet, decided to move. >> [ speaking in a global language ] >> translator: i remember my mom, after we all sat down and discussed, she got up and went to the kitchen to make breakfast for everyone. she also went to pray.

>> translator: it is really hard. >> reporter: take your time. >> translator: my mother was my whole life, she was my friend and everything. she wants her to be remembered like she was in life to devoted grandmother that still made her sandwiches to take to university for lunch. retired arabic literature teacher beloved by students and family. the month before october 7th had been the happiest of times for the family, celebrating her engagement and mohammed's graduation from university. >> translator: my mother was going to be 58 years old on december 30th and had her grandson with her so why would you shoot her? what is between you and her you

made it feel like it was safe to leave, we had white flags in our hand. what happened? nobody knows. >> reporter: it is a question many are asking as more videos have emerged of unarmed civilians displaying white flags shot dead. the geneva-based human rights monitor tells cnn they are investigating nine such incidents. we analyzed four. the most widely reporting is the shooting of the three israeli hostages who the idf admitted killing under the mistaken impression their surrender was a trap. the most recent incident this week in southern gaza. 51-year-old ramsey says he is trying to get back to the house where his brother is being held by israeli forces to plead for his release. the camera zooms in on two israeli tanks. the

drone can be heard overhead. four other families moved tentatively forward with hands in the air, white flag held high . suddenly a burst of gunfire. ramsey falls to the ground. if you slow down the video, you can see the impact, the first round against the wall. clearly fired from the direction of the tanks. the men hastily drag his body away. the white flag soaked in blood. his wife runs after him, but he is and other video was recorded --. he says they ordered his family to evacuate their home and to carry white flags.

as they walk, gunshots can be heard from the other side of the street. a man is wailing over the body of his dead son. >> i told you, let's stay home he says over and over, still clutching his white flag. if only we had stayed home. around the corner, two more people shot, also carrying white flags. cnn cannot say who fired the shots, the coordinates were sent and repeatedly asked for comment. she was buried in a shallow grave in a small alleyway next to the family home. her gravestone written in chalk. her family hopes there will be justice for her killing and a proper burial when this war is

finally over. >> we are joined from jerusalem, an incredibly disturbing --. what is the idea behind this investigation? >> we actually flew here several days ago with the hopes of adding down with the idf going through our footage and our findings with them on or off camera. they ultimately declined to meet with us. several hours after the was first published online, they did issue a statement saying, cnn refused to broadcast -- to provide footage in question prior to the broadcasting of the article as the idf requested. cnn's hesitancy to share the materials discloses the partial nature of their report, doing a disservice to the complex nature of the operational reality on the ground. the incident is being examined.

the statement does not specify which incident exactly within our report is being examined, but i do want to emphasize that we repeatedly offered to come, to sit down, and show footage well before publication. they declined to meet with us. thanank you so much, w we w be right back k or smamack