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president biden is blaming iran and trying to hold them responsible. >> imagine restoring roe v. wade as the lay of the land. >> he really needs to come face-to-face, man up, donald, i know you can do it. >> our job now is to prepare ourselves to play a good team in the super bowl and try to get that ring. live from london, this is cnn newsroom with max foster and bianca nobilo. >> hello and a warm welcome to our you frersviewers from all a world. >> and it is monday, january 29. 9:00 a.m. in london, 4:00 a.m. in washington where u.s. president biden is vowing to respond to a deadly drone attack on u.s. troops in georgia. >> three american soldiers were killed and more than 30 injured
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in the attack. it markshe first time u.s. troops have been killed by enemy fire in the middle east inside the start of the war between israel and hamas. u.s. officials say the drone hit near the living quarters on base. >> that outpost seen in this satellite image is located near the bore sdeder with syria. iran state media reports that they deny the country had any involvement. >> kevin liptak has more on the u.s. reaction from the white house. >> reporter: president biden calling the attacks on u.s. troops in jordan dispickable and holly unjust saying that america's heart is heavy and vowing to respond at a time and in a manner of our choosing. president biden was on the road if south carolina as this was unfolding, briefed by his national security team including
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defense secretary lloyd austin and jake sullivan. and you can imagine a talk about how to respond in a way that would deter these attacks from happening again but also the imperative to prevent this conflict from spreading even further. and at the end of the day, president biden does have quite a consequential choice to make here. he is coming under pressure from some republicans to respond directly in iran to some of these attacks, but certainly the imperative inside the white house has been to prevent this conflict from broadening. the fear among american officials as these attacks had proceeded on u.s. troops in iraq and syria, that it would eventually result in fatalities. now that that fear has been realized, the decision president biden has is how to respond so that it doesn't happen again and certainly he will be making that decision over the coming days. but in a statement president biden saying that the three american service members we lost
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were patriots in the highest sense and their ultimate sacrifice will never be for gotten by our nation, together we'll keep the obligation we bear to them families.for gotten by our nation, together we'll keep the obligation we bear to them families. he is dispatching bill burns to france for talks with his counter parts from egypt and israel on these hostage negotiations. certainly the hope among american officials is that these will be fruitful in securing the release of all of the remaining hostages in gaza paired with a prolonged cessation of hostilities. and really the hope had been that this pause in the fighting could cause some space for american officials and israeli officials along with their counterparts in the region to come up with a plan to end this conflict permanently and certainly the death of the american soldiers in jordan will lend some urgency to these talks as the u.s. continues to try and come up with a solution to this conflict and eventually result
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in lasting peace. kevin liptak, cnn, the white house. >> donald trump didn't waste time making this into a campaign issue. the former president said that if he was in the oval office "we'd right now have peace throughout the world, instead we're on the brink of world war iii." and senator lindsey graham tweeting hit iran now, hit them hard. representative dan crenshaw of texas, no more weak proportionate responses. weakness invitesing a agrees and escalation. time to kill another iranian general perhaps. that might send the right message. and fellow texan senator john cornyn suggesting simply target iran. >> our military analyst mark hertling weighed in on how the u.s. may respond to the deadly attack. >> we will see additional
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strikes, probably a lot more kinetic activity on some major bases that belong to the popular mobilization forces that are the puppets of the iranian government. don't know how difficult that is going to be because as you know in this kind of environment, you can go after some forces, but it is difficult to hit all of those that are trying to harmg the united states citizens, soldiers in the area. so there will be some more kinetic activity and i would guess there might be some covert action too against not just the pms and al-quds force, but also possibly even some elements within iran itself. because they know they have intelligence that iran is behind this, or so that is what the nsc has stated. everyone is counting the 160 strikes or so that have happened
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since october 7 when hamas invaded -- you know, conducted terrorist attacks inside of israel. what we have to remember is this has been going on for a lot longer than that. years of popular mobilization, forces, proxies of the iranian government have been conducting multiple strikes against not only the u.s., but also the iraqi government. they have been fighting hard not just against isaiais in syria, also united states and anyone else that try to tamp down isis. so this is an opportunity for iran to use their proxy forces. and by the way, let me state for the record, iran could care less about any casualties that occur with the houthis or the pmfs or hezbollah or hamas. they just know this is an opportunity to continue to conduct strikes against the
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west, against the united states, because they don't want the u.s. forces in any of these middle eastern countries. >> joining us now from berlin is david sanger, political national security analyst and also white house national koegs correspond the "new york times." thank you for joining us. i think the question coming to everyone's minds is america about to strike iran. how would you respond to that? >> i think president biden will be very caucus about doing that, in part because he doesn't want to widen the war. but in part because other signals have suggested iran doesn't want to get into a direct conflict with the united states and israel either. so i think general hertling laid out the options out here. the unsatisfying option of striking against a number of the proxy groups, including the one that launched this.
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unsatisfying because you are not going to get all of them. and because so far that strategy has not succeeded in stopping the attacks. and then there is the risky side of this, which is going after iran itself. general hertling suggested maybe some of that would be covert, which would presumably create a higher chance of sending a signal and lower chance of bringing about a major response. maybe it is against the supply lines of weaponry that iran is sending to these different groups and it wouldn't require necessarily striking inside iran but does require explicit intelligence about where the weaponry is. >> if the suggestions from u.s. intelligence are correct and this was conducted by iranian
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proxies, is the implication that this is with the takesce techlt approval of iran and how would that be if it wasn't in iran's interests to escalate this conflict and draw the u.s. in directionally? >> iranians have been playing both sides of the game here. on the one hand, they don't want to confront the u.s. directly. any could have ramped their nuclear program to full en enrichment and they haven't. they could be launching attacks directory from iranian territory. they are not. on the other hand they are perfectly happy to have their proxies conduct these attacks for them and that leaves the question of how much are the proxies coordinating with iranians. evidence so far seems to suggest that the iranians provide money, they provide arm, they sometimes provide intelligence, but they don't accordicoordinate the ind
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attacks. that to some degree preserves some deniability to the iranians. we've heard that exercise that now. the question is to what degree does president biden want to at that time risk of piercing that and going directly after iranian forces. that is a really hard decision because raniran obviously has capabilities that go way beyond what these proxy groups do. >> it won't just be military thinking that goes into this, will it, it will also be campaign thinking going into the election. that presumably puts more pressure on biden to do something. but does that mean he'll have to be tougher than he normally would? >> i'm sure there is pressure on him to do so. you cited earlier the statements from a number of republican
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senators, from lindsey graham to dan crenshaw. to john cornyn. and you are going to hear a lot of easy talk about let's just go after iran. and that is fairly easy coming from people who don't then have to go deal with and the then what questions that would arise from it. i suspect that the president has already mapped out what those options would be, or his aides have. but my guess is that you will find some in between option chosen. politics of this are all bad for him because former president trump is out there saying this they ever would have happened if i was there, they would have respected me more. well, things like this did happen of course when president trump was president.
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and it was president trump who had to pull back from attacking iran directly at one point, wisely i think, because he faceds exact same problems that president biden does now. >> ookay. david sanger, thank you so much for your incites. u.n. agency in gaza is urging countries to reconsider cutting off funding over allegations that staff members were involved in the october 7 hamas attacks on israel. australia uaustralia is the lat suspend funding for unrwa. officials are trying to work out a hostage release deal and pause in the fighting in gaza. for more, let's bring in paula hancocks. let's begin with the latest on these discussions. are we any closer to a potential cease fire/release deal?
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>> reporter: well, it appears that we may be closer than he were with a couple weeks ago, at least now the sides are talking. there was a meeting in paris between the intelligence chiefs of the u.s., israel and qatar. and egypt. and obviously those are the key players for any kind of deal to be done. we were told the meeting was constructive. this was from a statement from israel's prime minister's office. but also said significant gaps remain. we know that there has been tension as well between the players who are trying to negotiate this mediation. for example qatar has been critical of benjamin netanyahu who has criticized qatar for not doing enough and being too much in the camp of hamas and supd r supporting hamas, but not being able to bring the hostages home. so there has been some animosity between the players.
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but certainly what we heard from israeli prime minister's office was that the talks were constructive. so they are ongoing. the white house has not really called them negotiations at this point, not believing that we're at that point. and also over the weekend, there was significant movement when it comes to funding and humanitarian aid for gaza as you mentioned, unrwa the group that looks after palestinian refugees in gaza is calling on many countries, including the u.s., uk, austria, japan, many others to continue their funding for the humanitarian aid that is going into gaza. we've even heard from the u.n. secretary-general santonio guterres saying there is too many people relying on unrwa and they have funding not quite until the end of february. so it will come quickly this
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crux. head of unrwa has called it shocking saying that the funding would be pulled at a time of war. the u.n. has instantly fired nine unrwa members after israel alleged that they had involvement with the october 7 hamas attacks on israel. and we understand two more are being looked into. notably norway and ireland said they won't be temporarily if pulling the funding. they believe it is more important to be able to continue this aid to gaza and they have put their trust in the united nations to be able to investigate exactly what happened. >> paula hancocks, thank you very much. just ahead, mass arrests following a deadly attack on a catholic church in turkey. we're live from istanbul next. plus president biden campaigning in south carolina ahead of the state's democratic primary on saturday. and later on the stage is
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set for super bowl lviii. we'll have the highlights, reaction and major story lines from an epic championship sunday in the nfl.
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turkey says it has arrested at least 47 suspects linked to sunday's church attack in istanbul. >> turkish security forces carried out more than 30 raids looking for two gunmen who opened fire during mass at a catholic church. at least one person was killed. >> scott mclean is joining us live from istanbul. any idea who was behind this? >> reporter: according to the interior industry and isis affiliated newspaper, it is the group isis claiming responsibility for this. the suspects according to the interior minister are one person from russia and the other from a different country. and citing an isis source, this was in response to a call that had come from an isis spokesperson calling on isis
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supporters, isis members, isis sympathizers to target specifically christians and jews everywhere in the broader context of what is happening right now in gaza. so this happened yesterday at the santa maria church, this is in the far north of the city on the european side. not too far from the black sea. and about 15 kilometers or so from what you would consider central istanbul. so not close to the center at all. and there is actually security footage of the shooting itself that is widely circulated. we're not showing you the entire video, but we can show you a small section of the aftermath. but i can describe what happens in that video, basically one person seen walking into the back of the church, two people masked men follow that person, it is shot, they go down. rest of the parishioners go down as well. you can see one of the attackers walking up the aisle and very
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quickly they leave. the parishioner, one quickly runs and closes the door and then you can see they closely get up from the pews. an absolutely terrifying incident that happened. in the hours that followed, obviously there was a huge security presence in that particular area. and then a huge manhunt as well. as you pointed out, the interior ministry is saying that there were dozens of raids that took place on 47 people arrested. and obviously the two suspects had been arrested as well. and this is especially significant because this is actually the first isis attack on turkish soil since the 2017 attack on a night club in istanbul that killed well over 30 people. and so this is something that the turkish government, security service, has worked very hard to try to prevent. interior ministry said there are operations, not
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clear what that mean, but more than 1,000 of them since last summer and several hundred people who have actually pain arrested in those operations. it is also important to note this has been obviously condemned by all levels of the turkish government, from the president himself to ministers right down to the mayor of istanbul. and the list goes on and on. obviously turkey, vast majority of people here, are muslim, but this country was founded on secular ideals that persist to this day. so the interior minister made clear that there are many faces in this country and city and he wants them to be able to worship in safety. it was also -- the pope also mentioned it saying he felt closeness to the people in that church itself. and i can also tell you that the catholic church in istanbul is quite a diverse community. obviously it is attended by some
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turks, but also indicatoe cater the different languages as well. and nikki haley campaigned in south carolina on sunday keeping up the pressure on her political rival donald trump. plus some u.s. cities are struggling to keep up with the stream of migrants being bussed in from the southern border. we'll show you what it is like at an overpro rocrowded new yor shelter. to duckduckgo on all your devie
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with this great offer. plus, ask how to get up to $1000 prepaid card with qualifying internet. welcome back. i'm bianca nobilo. >> i'm max foster. let me bring you up-to-date with our top stories. iran's state media says the country denies any role in the drone attack on a u.s. base in jordan. u.s. president biden has vowed to respond to the strike that killed three sold years and left several others wounded. jens stoltenberg will be in washington today, he is expected to meet with several senior white house officials, voes secretary of state antony blinken and defense secretary lloyd austin. president biden is courting black voters in south carolina
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ahead the state's democratic primary on saturday. he delivered remarks at a historic church that played an active role in the civil rights movement. >> he also visited another church and a barber shop before returning to d.c. on sunday night. mr. biden is also seeking to galvanize voters around reproductive rights. >>s trying to pass a national ban on abortion. i will veto it. consider it a promise made and promise that will be kept. if you reelect me and kamala, imagine a future where we restore roe v. wade as the law of the land again. >> republican presidential today nikki haley was also in south carolina this weekend even though the gop primary is not until february 24. >> for haley this is home turf of course. early on sunday she attended church services in lexington. the pastor told attendees she'd
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been a member for two decades. and she took aim at donald trump. >> i think that we need to have mental competency tests for anybody over the age of 75. he took offense to that and i think it hurt his feelings. you can't hide hint the teleprompter at his rallies. needs to man up, donald. i think that we're getting under his skin. just saying. i don't know. >> haley has been taking shots at trump on the campaign trail for some time now. and eva mckend has more on that. >> reporter: nikki haley beginning her second campaign event of the weekend in her home state of south carolina by holding a moment of silence for the victims of the jordan attack. and then she pivoted to the new normal for nikki haley and that is just unloading on former president trump arguing that chaos and drama that surrounds him is exhausting. she knocked him for not debating. and she said that america deserves answers and that donald
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trump won't give them. she did have to contend with quite a few hecklers at this rally though. she laughed it off. take a listen. >> and that doesn't mean -- [ inaudible ]. >> don't let it bother you. that is what trump, he does it by disruption. that is the only way he thinks that he can win is planting people like this. >> reporter: so you are hearing a very different version than what we heard the last few weeks and months where she really reserved attacks against trump to specific policy matters. so talking about how the national debt exploded for
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instance under his administration. but now the attacks are becoming much sharper and more pointed as only the two of them remain in this republican primary. back to you. >> trump campaigned in las vegas. he is pushing nevada republicans to turn out for the gop caucuses on february 8. there will be a primary also, but the caucuses will determine who gets the state's delegates. >> and as for the competent denies city tests haley keeps mentioning, trump says he's all for it.competentdenies city tesy keeps mentioning, trump says he's all for it. >> i tell you what, i feel sharper now than i did 20 years ago. i think taking certain tests, cognitive tests, aptitude tests, i think that is a good thing personally. i don't care if you are 35 years old. but we want intelligent people. i think everybody running for president and vice president should take a coming i cognitiv.
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a key negotiator on a possible border deal says text of a compromise could be ready to go on the sat floor in coming days. but chris murphy adds its passage depends on whether the republicans are willing to ignore donald trump's opposition and support the bill. >> we do have a bipartisan deal we're finishing the text right now. and the question is, whether republicans are going to listen to donald trump who wants to preserve chaos at the border because he thinks it is a wing political issue for him, or whether we'll pass legislation which would be the biggest reform in 40 years an would give the president, whether a republican or a democrat, new important power to be better manage the flow of people across the border. >> biden has endorsed the deal but mike johnson already warning
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it will face opposition in his chamber. thousands of migrants have arrived in new york city, some bussed from the southern border. mayor adams says the city is running out of shelter space. >> gloria pazmino is reporting where some are waiting in the snow and rain for a place to go. >> reporter: a warm meal after a day of cooking on an open flame on a shopping cart turned stove outside randall's eye island mit city. this man is sharing the space in the city with capacity to house 3,000 men and women. robinson, 31 years old, is from colombia. just one of the more than 170,000igrant who have arrived here since spring of last year. more than 68,000 of them are still in the care of the city and space is running out. for now robinson counts himself
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among the lucky ones. he says he is at a shelter in the bronx that is safe, a hotel where there are cameras and security. but it is different here on randall's island. the massive facility has security but no metal detectors. two weeks ago a 24-year-old man was stabbed in the neck during a fight that resulted in 18 arrests. according to police. and earlier this month, a man was stabbed and killed after a fight broke out inside the tent cafeteria. >> it is under investigation, but it is horrific to have someone come here to pursue the american dream, to see it you were this to a nightmare, to lose a life. >> reporter: cnn has learned there are dozens of security scam are as around the island. and the city is in the process of installing more. in the meantime, the administration is also exploring a plan to install metal detectors. while mayor adams continues to plead for federal intervention, his administration has put
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strict limits on shelter stays. >> our humane policy that is 30 days of children and families, 60 days. >> reporter: back at the food stalls, migrants make due with what they have. a steaming pot of coffee and pastries to fry sold by migrants at $2 a pop, it will help keep some of them warm overnight. this make shift camp provides shelter to dozens of migrants who are waiting for placement inside the big tent and city shelters. the crude setup is just one reminder of the struggle my grants oig here in new york continue to face as winter drags on. but robinson is hopeful. the reason for the hat he says this is the american flag and the american flag is what is helping me out right now. so i wear it with pride because he's telling me he is hopeful in the next few moontds his
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situation will improve significantly and he will be able to get settled and provide for his family back home. new york city is just one of the few municipalities around the country that guarantee the right to shelter. the city is currently in the middle of a legal fight to make some changes to that rule, something that advocates have criticized the legal aid society and coalition for the homeless tell us that those changes to the rules are simply pushing people on to the street. gloria pazmino, in new york, cnn. as moscow pours more money into its war this ukraine, we'll explain how russians are sta starting to feel the economic impact at home and how it is threatening putin's stability in anan election n year. ththat is nextxt.
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i think he's having a midlife crisis i'm not. you got us t-mobile home internet lite. after a week of streaming they knocked us down... ...to dial up speeds. like from the 90s. great times. all i can do say is that my life is pre-- i like watching the puddles gather rain. -hey, your mom and i procreated to that song. oh, ew! i think you've said enough. why don't we just switch to xfinity like everyone else? then you would know what year it was. i know what year it is. as the war grinds on in ukraine, russian president vladimir putin is trying to project an image of economic
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stability in russia, but it is proving difficult. >> joining us is clare sebastian. you've been looking into this. >> yeah, obviously inflation is a problem in russia. so this is a unique to russia, directly linked to the war which we'll go to in a minute. but i think what is more important, it is not just about a gradual rise in overall prices. what we're seeing is that certain supermarket staples and in particular we're looking at eggs have gone up dramatically, something like 60% every year. it was almost 20% between november and december. that increases the likelihood that people will notice it and start to make the connection between the grocery baskets and the war. and the kremlin has not been able to acknowledge it. ♪ >> reporter: when your husband spoils you with expensive presents reads the caption.
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russian social media brimming with egg memes. making light of a new feature of russia's upside down war ec economy. sudden and unexpected price rises. drive an hoyer outside moscow though, and it is no laughing matter for these pensioners. of course we notice it, the pension is 13,000 rubles they say. that is less than $150 per month. maybe we buy less meat she says. there is still enough for medicines. egg prices rose 18% this december alone russian official data show, more than 60% over the year. far outstripping overall inflation at 7.4%. as images spread of lines forming outside supermarkets, this reportedly from belgorod in december, russia's president forced in to damage control
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mode. >> translator: i am sorry about this and i want to apologize for this problem. this is a setback in the government's work. some say it is not the case, but i think it is, the problem related to a failure to increase imports a lot. >> reporter: and the government took a no the so subtle hint. shipments started arriving from turkey and belarus also mp are aing up supplies.the so subtle . shipments started arriving from turkey and belarus also mp are aing up supplies. and its president unable to resist a airrare dig. >> covers our needs with milk, pork, and chicken eggs. send some to us, don't be greedy. >> reporter: and putin's surprisingly resilient war economy, the egg crisis reveals the biggest problem is not decline but overheating. putin says this is about higher demand because it is slightly higher wages.
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partly true economists say, but what putin doesn't say is why wages are up. this labor shortage is a huge issue, right? where does that come from? >> mobilization. i think to me the key issue is the fact that there are a lot of at war and they have to be replaced. russian officials trying to keep it very quiet the numbers of how many people have died. >> reporter: and weakeker ruble direct result of sanctions has alreadady pupushed up import co for poultry producers and then there is the wartime spending. >> budget for 2024 even adjusted for inflation, record levels of federal government expenditure. so when you put that alongside a supply side tightness with a massive increase in demand, driven by the state, you've got a recipe for inflation. >> reporter: president putin now poised for the next price spike. an image of stability ahead of march elections.
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likely not his presidential shfl of shelf life. >> not exactly a crisis yet, but we'll continue to see the b whac-a-mole situation. obviously if you look at the russian budget for this year, they go are putting the war first and people will have to keep paying the price. defense spending will be triple what it was before the war and paying more to service their debt which they didn't even have really before the war than they are on health care and education. interest rates are back up to 16% which is closer to the peak. so people are increasingly paying for this and i think the question is how many people, when people start to make the connection between this and the war, especially as we are starting to see the seeds of that already. some sort of pockets of anti-war sentiment rising and i think this is where the kremlin can't afford to ignore this. >> thank you so much, clare. farmers in france are planning to encircle paris has part of the protests for better pay and living conditions.
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farmers held similar protests outside paris friday shutting down roads. government officials pledge to keep paris open for business. they are planning to mobilize 15,000 police officers and other law enforcement to maintain order. >> translator: second instruction is obviously for law enforcement to show great moderation as i have done since the start of this protest movement to protestors and farmers. we did not seek escalation. we want people to be respected, first of all, law enforcement and for property to be respected. we don't intend to allow government buildings or tax collection buildings or grocery stores to be damaged or trucks transporting foreign produce to be stalled. >> far right french politician marie le pen is showing her support taking a ride in tractor and saying france's position as largest food grower is essential to national security.
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>> translator: an agriculture is seeking in france and the entire country is seeking because the country is a great agricultural power. and it is also or sovereignty and food security which will sink. we must therefore put in place a major agricultural rescue plan. >> many european a farmers are worried about crops entering the eu market with countries with fewer regulations. now, are you ready for it? taylor swift is. the kansas city chiefs will meet the san francisco 49ers in this year's super bowl. highlights from both playoffs next.
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lviii are now set. the chiefs will take on the 49ers. >> and coy wire has more on both games reporting from detroit. >> reporter: detroit was looking to make it to their first super bowl franchise history and things started off great. fans erupting here at a watch party at ford field in detroit. powered by a punishing ground game the men from motor city went full throttle on the 49ers. detroit up 24-7 at halftime. but then led by last year's last pick in the nfl draft quarterback brock purdy, san francisco fights back to overcome the largest halftime deficit in conference championship history getting a 34-31 win. >> guys didn't want it tonight the last day and we put ourselves in the hole, but they played like it in the second half and we were able to get the ball to fwoubounce the right wa. >> we knew what we had to do. down 17.
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so i think everybody stepped up and played really good team football from there. >> reporter: liens fans heartbroken after an historic collapse. >> the heart is really hurting. >> heartbroken. some things i just don't didn't the field good morning. we blew a 17 point lead. >> reporter: kansas city facing baltimore, chiefs good the on the board first with mahomes and kelce connecting for their 17th p postseason touchdowns. ravens, a touchdown by zay flowers turned in to a turnover. and then throwing in to triple coverage leading to another baltimore turnover. heartbreak for baltimore and jackson who is now 2-4 in his playoff career. >> you never know how many you will get to, or if you get to any. so truly is special. >> when it came time to put the hammer down, they put the hammer
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down, which was important. best part is we're not done. >> we're going to las vegas, nevada. >> reporter: 17-10 the final. mahomes on to his fourth super bowl in six seasons as a starter. the chiefs chasing a third super bowl title in five years. this sets up the rematch, 49ers and chiefs in the super bowl for a second time in four seasons. super bowl lviii on february 1. and some super bowl could be off the charts with a massive boost from the swifties. >> taylor swift fans will have a rooting interest, is that phrase? in her boyfriend. sorry, just reading it. chiefs tight end travis kelce. of course swift was there on sunday greeting her man with hu.
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>> chiefs are still the chiefs and believe it. you got to fight for your right to party! believe it, baby, we're going to las vegas! go get us another one! >> i think we need more of you, max, talking about romance and be script difference on the show early in the morning. something everybody is after. but it is no sure thing whether or not swift will actually attend the super bowl because she will be touring in tokyo next month with her final show set for february 10 which is one day before the big game. >> she'll be there. >> exactly. because she'll take a private plane. but time change is actually in her favor so she could definitely make it in time to be there in las vegas. >> we need her on this show as well. without those two, we wouldn't have this final block. >> definitely adds another element to the nfl story, one which i understand. so i'm very grateful for it, so thank you taylor.
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>> thanks, taylor. thanks for joining us here. i'm max foster. >> and i'm bianca nobilo. "early start" is up next right here on cnn. and you will be doing a cameo as usual. so stay tuned for that.
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