for people in terms of where we are now. gas prices were doing pretty well here in the u.s. if you compare that to other countries, it's a lot better. >> consumers are clearly driving this. >> yeah. >> you pointed to the stimulus slide and i think that's really interesting. >> yeah. >> is that the reason why? is it because people had more money or the u.s. response that drove this whole thing? >> i think we can see consumer spending in gdp. that drives gdp. that's where people are spending and that's why we have such strong growth. we have it because yes, there was stimulus in people's pockets, but also wages grew, and there were a lot of jobs, a lot of onptions for people to choose from. we didn't hit a recession and at the same time, we didn't fall into high unemployment. that was really good. that is what people wanted to see here in the u.s., and it bodes well for the u.s. compared to the rest of the world. >> yeah. it's a good point. see if it connects with people over the coming months. vanessa yurkevich, thank you

very much. "cnn this morning" continues now. >> we had a tough day and last night. >> this is the first time that u.s. service members have been killed from hostile fire since the war in gaza began. >> the proxies of the iranian government have been conducting multiple strikes against not only the u.s., but also the iraqi government. >> i do think this demands a really tough response directly targeted at iran which is supporting, inspiring, funding all of these attacks throughout the region. >> good morning, everyone. top of the hour. so glad you're with us. i'm poppy harlow with phil mattingly in new york. the big question, how will biden respond? he's vowing to take action after a drone attack killed three u.s. service members in jordan.

here was john kirby just moments ago. >> we will respond. we'll do it in a time, in a manner of our choosing. we know the serious consequences hear here of this particular attack. >> iran is denying involvement in this attack, but u.s. officials are blaming i iran-backed militants and saying it had been launched from syria. >> lindsey graham telling him, to quote, hit iran now. hit them hard. senator john cornyn saying to, quote, target tehran. the white house has been dreading this for several months now as the u.s. has tried to prevent the war in gaza from spilling into a bigger conflict. what biden decides to do is hugely consequential, and it's further complicated with the hostage negotiations with hamas to release captives. >> let's start with oren

lieberman. this is a significant escalation. three people are dead. the white house says, we will respond at the time and manner of our making. do you know what options they're debating now? >> reporter: well, there are a number of options they could pursue. the question, of course, which one are they zeroing in on, and these options short of an open attack of iran clearly risk an open, regional war that the biden administration has been trying to avoid? they target iraq or syria, going after the iranian proxies or it could target both. they could also try to target the leadership here. these are the types of options available. president joe biden was belrief on these from jake sullivan and lloyd austin, and now it's up to him to choose one here. the u.s. working on specific attri attribution, but they are responsible. the u.s. has to respond and biden said we would. here's what we know about the

attack. this was a one-way attack drone that struck tower 22 in northeast jordan on the iraq/jordan/syria corner there. three u.s. service members were killed. at least 34 were wounded. eight of those had to be medevaced for more treatment. that number is expected to rise, at least the number of injured because traumatic brain injury can take some time to develop here. one of the key questions, of course, how did this singular drone sneak through u.s. air defenses? that's another question here that has to be looked at. it appears the drone attack may have come from syria, though given where this is right near iraq, it could also have come from there. that's another question the u.s. looking to zero in on and get a spe specific's. it's also worth noting this is austin's first day back at the pentagon after approximately a month away here. so a lot of pressure, and not only from republicans, but to respond and respond soon to send a message to the iranian proxies and to iran itself that has tried to distance itself from this attack, that this is absolutely unacceptable.

>> oren, to that point, when you talk about the types of options being presented, how do u.s. officials know which would keep them from getting into a direct conflict with iran, which would send the proper calibrated message here? >> reporter: calibrated is the right word there. this is a chance for the u.s. to calibrate its response properly? these iranian-backed militia groups in syria, going after their leadership. this hasn't deterred the attacks. we've seen 160 attacks on u.s. forces in iraq and syria, some that have resulted in dozens of minor injuries, but this is a different ball game. three u.s. service members have been killed for the first time since the gaza war. >> thank you. joining us now to discuss, cnn

chief international anchor christiane amanpour. this has been something u.s. officials have been having nightmares about for the better part of the last several months. waking up, and a service member has been killed. what do you think? >> they're trying to keep cool heads and figure out what is the response, and what is the day after the response. if the administration hits iran, that in itself is a massive escalation at a time when there is a hot war going on in gaza. you know, there's engagement between hezbollah on the northern front there. there's a war between britain and the houthis in that region, and now we have had this, you know, this situation going on. it was inevitable that this was going to happen at some point, that an american, allies, some kind of important target was going to get hit and killed.

this was everybody's nightmare. this was certainly everybody expected that with this amount of activity going on in that small region, that this was going to happen. iran has denied it, but this is what iran does. it also, as we know, iwhether iraq, syria, the houthis in yemen, the hezbollah in lebanon and elsewhere, and this is how they conduct their foreign policy i cakinetically, and if decide to hit iran, that is a massive escalation. >> what would deter iran? >> it's differeicult to say at moment because they say to all analysts of that region that this is specifically connected to the gaza war, and that they

have been doing this and ramping up asymmetrical pressure not only since october 7th, but since the israeli counteroffensive and the air and ground war in gaza. this is what they have been saying. they have been calling for a ceasefire, which so far the u.s., israel, and its allies have resisted. this group that has claimed responsibility, whether or not it's from iraq or syria, we still don't know, have called for what they call all american force okccupations to leave the area, including in iraq. that's the immediate picture, but it appears to be linked to what's happening in gaza. there are certain u.s. analysts who refuse to accept that, but the fact is that this all started post-october 7th. this level, this round of direct engagement, and again, this is what the u.s. and what the allies have been dreading, a wider war.

at the same time as oren and you all talked about, there seems to be no progress at the moment that we can tell of any kind of de-escalation over gaza which would lead to the release of hostages and potentially other negotiations and some kind of diplomatic end. there's no end in sight at the moment for that, and these talks over the weekend in paris at the moment have not produced anything that we would, you know, be encouraged to see. >> also talks going on with the northern border with hezbollah, trying to provide a wider conflict there. there are so many different moving parts here and it makes it so much more complicated and i wanted to get your sense of things with the u.s. joining a number of countries in cutting off funding to the u.n. relief agency that works inside gaza because of invest that participants in that agency, the relief and works agency, had participated in the october 7th attack. explain to us kind of what this means, how this came to be, and

what it means going forward. >> well, on every level it is a disaster and a catastrophe. you really do not want members of a humanitarian organization that is a u.n. organization being caught aiding and abetting a terrorist act. there are 8 to 12 people under investigation out of a work force in gaza of some 13,000. the u.n. has called these people, you know, obviously bad apples, but very serious allegations and they are investigating. right now, the u.s. and a number -- i think it's about ten now, allies v, have cut off funding. that's a different and very important problem for the humanitarian situation on the ground which the united states and israel and all the allies say that they want to see alleviated. there are, according to the u.n., and we have been reporting, close to famine-like conditions emerging in gaza, and the less aid they get, the more acute that will become, and we

have been reporting since october 7th with the israeli defense minister having announced a siege of all important humanitarian food, water, fuel, medicine going into gaza. the dire, dire humanitarian need, so you've got a real problem security-wise, and an investigation that has to be done into these allegations, and a real problem, humanitarian, and the u.n. is asking right now the united states and its allies to consider suspending its suspension if you like, and to keep at least sending in human aaron aid. >> -- humanitarian aid. >> it couldn't be more complex. thank you for helping us understand all of it. ahead for us here, writer and journalist e. jenn carroll live in studio with her attorney after the judge in new york awarded her more than $83 million in her lawsuit against donald trump. we'll discuss what this verdict means for her and what it was like to come face to face with trump in court. that's next.

donald trump has not mentioned e. jean carroll's name since a manhattan jury awarded the former magazine writer $83.3 million in damages. trump was found liable for sexual abuse and defamation. his attacks on carroll led to years of threats and harassment from his supporters. the lawyers argued he should be punished with charges so large he would stop attacking her. >> the silence speaks so loud.

his restraint comes after years of insults and defamation according to this jury. joining us now is e. jean carroll and her attorney, roberta kaplan. we appreciate your time this morning. >> thank you so much. love being here. >> what was it like to be with donald trump in that courtroom? he did not attend your first trial, but he was there when it came down to the money, and what it would cost him. you hadn't seen him since 1996. >> i hadn't seen him since he assaulted me in the dressing room, and preparing to see him was terrifying. the days leading up made me stronger and stronger. i hadn't slept, eaten, lost my language when she was trying to prepare me to do testimony in

front of donald trump, and then when we were in the courtroom, and robbie went to the lectern, she said, good morning, e. jean, please state your name and spell it for the jury -- for the court. and there he was, and he was nothing. just, no power. he had -- he was zero. that was -- i was flabbergasted, and from then on we just sailed through. she brought me in. she said, say your name, and i just looked at robbie, saw he was nothing, and it came out from there. >> did you make eye contact with him? >> many times. >> and what was that like? >> he's an emperor without clothes. it's like looking at nothing. it was like, nothing.

>> were you surprised by that? because your environment -- >> yeah. >> the environment not just from what you went through, but the environment in that courtroom was different, a volatile and heated environment in terms of both donald trump's attorney and donald trump for it to end up like that. were you surprised? >> yes. yes. i had been prepared for the worst force, you know, on the earth today, the most powerful, the most effective, the most money, the richest, the most, you know, and there he is. he's nothing. it's just the people around him who give him the power. it's the emperor without clothes. it's hans christian anderson's fairy tale. people just gave him clothes when he wasn't wearing any. remember the fairy tale? that's donald trump. >> robbie, you were giving your closing argument and donald trump gets up and walks to it. i'm not sure if you could see him in the periphery. i think your back was to him, but what did you think when you

learned he walked out? >> yeah. so it's true. i didn't see him at all because i was facing the jury and he was to my left. >> yeah. >> but the judge said something. he told the whole courtroom he'd gotten up and left and walked out and i thought to myself, well, like in any case if you can follow the rules or not and not be a bully, not following the rules and acting like a bully is not a good move. i thought to myself, okay. that's going to give us more money, honestly. >> you got awarded over $83 million from this jury. trump is obviously appealing and he has a right to do that. big question over the last couple of weeks. does he get a bond or when does your client see that money? >> he has to post a bond which requires him to put down 20% or he has to deposit which is what he did for the first verdict, the entire amount with the court, so $83 million plus 9%, so call it $89 million. if we can't do either of those, we can start collecting right no and we will for sure.

>> do you believe he can do either of those? >> i don't know. i don't know. he didn't get a bond last time so maybe he'll try to deposit the funds. i don't know what he'll do. >> e. jean, one of the paradoxicals is one of the best words i can put it, dynamics of this moment for the former president and his legal troubles has been politically he only seems to get more powerful within the republican party. i understand you have been focused on the trial, but do you see that? do you have concerns? not based on your trials specifically, but the fact that this person who you've stared down in a courtroom has only gotten more powerful as all of this has played out, and you've won repeatedly in these cases. >> it is a paradox. for him, the courtroom was not a courtroom to him. it was a campaign stop. that was clear. so we had two different objectives. ours was to win a case. his was to win voters. we'll see how that plays out. he's using me to win voters.

sexual assault. a man found liable for sexual assault is using the woman he sexually assaulted to get votes. >> you may soon though have quite a bit of his money and i wonder how you plan to use that. >> oh, it's inspiring. we talk about it a lot. we're going to do good with that money. we're going to -- mary trump has suggested we turn trump tower into an animal sanctuary, for instance. joke. that was a joke, poppy. no, but we're inspired to not waste a penny of this, and we have some good ideas that we're working on. >> specifically aimed at? >> well -- >> what would oppose trump? >> well, donald trump hates women. remember the new york magazine, the famous quote when they said, don, what do you think of women? he said, women, they're not worth a piece of crap. remember that quote?

so i think one of the things we could do seeing as how he's very instrumental in taking away women also rights over their bodies across the united states, maybe we can think about how we can restore women their rights. use a little money for that. >> do you think of what would happen if trump is re-elected? >> oh, please. i can't think of that. i can't think of that. i don't think it's going to happen, and robbie particularly -- tell them, robbie why you don't think that's possible. >> i just think it's what you saw in the jury -- in the courtroom from the jury, that when people are really confronted with the facts, when the rules apply, people see the truth about donald trump, and this isn't the first trial. he's got a lot of trials coming up before that election, and it's going to happen to him over and over and over again, and i don't think he has enough americans who are willing to buy what he says and elect him

president. at least that's what i hope. >> i want to ask you about how trump's going to appeal this. we have a big clue from what his attorney alina habba said. they found him liable for sexual abuse. i want to be very clear on that, and defamation. alina habba thinks there's a big chance for them on appeal because of what judge kaplan ordered here. let's listen so her and i want to give you a chance to respond. here she was. >> sure. >> before i walked into court, that judge decided that every single defense president trump had, we were not allowed to raise in front of the jury. it is in writing, and i encourage the journalists, the real journalists to take the minute to look at his orders. there was no proof, and i couldn't prove that she didn't bring in the dress. there was no dna. there was no expert. my experts were denied, two of

them. two of them were denied to come in. >> your response, robbie, and then -- and then you e. jean? maybe you go first. you weren't next to her. you couldn't respond in that moment. would you like to respond now? >> alina habba is gloriously challenging. she's very skilled. she has ludicrous confidence, and when you hear her speak, we understand most of what she said is almost entirely made up. entirely untrue. >> yeah, i understand that's what she's saying because that's all she has to say, but judge kaplan, no relation, is one of the most respected judges in new york city. all his rulings were completely appropriate. the rules are the rules. he fold lowed the rules and now donald trump and ms. habba will have to follow the rules. >> after the former president's win in iowa, he gave a speech where he was very generous and

unifying and paeople for some reason were, like, this is the new trump, and in new hampshire, he had a different way of operating and after this victory for you all, he has not mentioned your name. he has not said much at all about the case. i'm wondering, is this going to be another thing where he does it for three days and then vefrtvere reverts back to form? or when you look at this case, is there a reason this individual will not be talking about this ever again? >> he's clearly being told not to talk about it and if he keeps talking about it, he's been paying more money. >> valid concern. >> right. but as the judge noted in the middle of the trial, sir, you appear to be unable to control yourself, and if that -- if that part of him takes over, it could be begin. >> you're willing to bring another defamation case. >> everything is on the table. >> e. jean often, many people in this country and around the

world aren't believed. a jury of your peers believed you and awarded you for that pain you endured and the defamation on top of it. what is your message to women who are not believed, who don't have the platform you have? >> this is why this decision bodes well for women across -- it came at a time when we needed that positive, we believe you statement. so this win really was for every woman who stood up and had been knocked down, every woman. robbie and i are here -- we have planted our flag and we want to turn things around and make sure that women are believed. >> robbie, the question that has been rattling through my brain the last couple of weeks, there will be other judges that have to deal with trump in other

cases. remember how judge kaplan operated. he was in on the game and he would call it and say, i know you want to get kicked out. i know what you are trying to do here. is that the model other judges should follow? what did you learn about what future judges will have to face here? >> my understanding is that all the judges -- certainly all the federal judges in this country were looking very closely at what judge kaplan did. there was a lot of talk about what the judge was doing day-to-day. they're following it closely, and we'll learn lessons from what he did, and in federal court at least, and maybe even in the case in atlanta, they are going to copy what george kaplan did, and control his behavior. >> is it true you and the jury smiled at one another? >> that jury, nobody could read that jury. they were so responsible with their job making the right -- listening to the other. they didn't even look at the attorneys. they took notes, and they were just absolutely focused. so we had no idea, none, what

the response would be, and as they filed out, we got to exchange some smiles. >> e. jean carroll, robbie kaplan, thank you. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. quite a claim in a different defamation lawsuit against pro-trump america one america news, why they claim they engaged in criminal activity. and the case of alex murdaugh returns to the spotlight. he was convicted of killing his wife and son. why the disgraced patriarch of a powerful family wants a new case. we'll explain next.

well, first on "cnn this morning," smartmatic alleges that executives at the pro-trump network oan engaged in criminal activities while promoeting lie. smartmatic is suing oan and news max about spreading lies about the voter machines and voter fraud. >> i'm going to be honest. i'm not surprised by a lot. what more can you tell us about

these? >> good morning to both of you. this is a pretty wild story, i will admit. according to court filings, after the 2020 election, the president of oan, charles herring, sent a spread sheet to former trump lawyer sidney powell claiming to contain pass words of msmartmatic employees. this came when they were spreading those baseless conspiracy theories that they had rigged the 2020 election. the details of this spread sheet had not been made public before. in one of those cases, smartmatic is suing oan as you said for defamation, and in a recent filing, they referenced this email between herring and powell. it's unclear how herring got the spread sheet or if the pass words were actually real, but smartmatic says this means oan

executives, quote, may have engaged inle kr activities because they failed to follow state and federal laws regarding privacy. oan denies wrongdoing. their attorney, charles babcock, said in a statement to cnn that, quote, this vague accusation is a clumsy attempt to smear oan and divert attention from smartmatic's own misconduct. guys, the timeline here is crucial. the email was sent in january, 2021. one day after the voting systems in coffey county, georgia were breached by some of sidney powell's associates. they were looking for evidence that would back up their fraud claims and powell has pleaded guilty to state charges in georgia stemming from that breach. >> significant reporting and something happened in illinois over the weekend. there was a retired judge there that's been overseeing this case of should trump be on the ballot or not because off engaging in n

insurrection. that judge found he did engage in insurrection, but at the same time said he should stay on the ballot. can you explain what happens next? >> fascinating decision and mixed recommendation from that retired judge who by the way is a republican. >> yeah. >> he was on the state bench for 20 years, highly respected republican. he held a hearing friday. both sides made their case and he issued the recommendation. the state board will meet tomorrow to vote on his recommendation. as you spelled it out there, he said that yes, trump engaged in the insurrection, but no he shouldn't be removed from the ballot because based on his analysis of state law and state koort presidents, the election board does not have the power to to toto adjudicate this, but he made it clear. if a comfort does weigh this, state courts in illinois, that's where any appeal of the board election decision would go. if a court weighs this decision,

they should take him off because they would have the power and his view based on the evidence, trump did engage in the insurrection and that's the same conclusion that was drawn in colorado and maine. other states reached other decisions, and as we all know looming over all of this is the u.s. supreme court. next week they will hear oral arguments on this key question. is donald trump eligible to run for president? >> all eyes on nine justices. thank you. well, there is a lot going on today. here are five things you need to know. president biden says he vows to hold every group responsible for the drone attack on a u.s. outpost in jordan that killed three u.s. soldiers. the president blamed an iran-back mill titant group. iran denies involvement. >> the princess of wales returned home after abdominal surgery. the planned surgery was unexplained, but we were told it was not cancerous. nancy pelosi facing

criticism for suggesting that without evidence that some palestinian protesters are connected to russia. she urged the fbi to investigate. she called the statement, quote, downright authoritarian. there is a hearing scheduled for today to determine if alex murdaugh will get a new trial. he was found guilty of killing his wife and son. his attorneys allege that a court clerk told jurors not to trust murdaugh when he testified. and x is limiting search results for taylor swift after explicit ai-generated images of her spread last week. x says it has no tolerance towards such content. all this on cnn and cnn.com, and download the five things podcast every morning. the biden campaign trying to smooth over some cracks in their coalition. one that was so crucial to biden winning in 2020. first stop, south carolina as he turns to black voters to try to shore up their support. and in just in, north korea's state news agency says kim jong-un oversaw a cruise

missile test on sunday off the korean peninsula. this is the latest in a series of escalations. we'll be right back.

you have had my back. you have had my back, and i really hope i had yours. >> president biden speak at a black church in south carolina yesterday, as he tries to defend and shore up one of the most reliable voting blocks for him and democrats, the black coalition, propelled him to victory in 2020. south carolina saved his campaign during the primary. biden highlighted that fact as he campaigned over the weekend.

and you're the reason for the former president. you're the reason donald trump is a loser. and you're the reason we're going to win and beat him again. >> polls have shown a crack in support for the president among black voters. joining us now is the co-founder of black voters, cliff albright. it's great to have you. it's not that a majority of black voters in these polls are turning to trump. it's that more of them are, right? you look at the "new york times" in november and you see that in the crucial swing states, you have 22% of black voters saying they would back trump. it was 8% last time around. why is there this weakness? >> yeah. thanks for having me, poppy. i think, you know, i don't ever really give polls this far out a lot of credence. interestingly enough, i went and looked at polls from july of 20, and president biden -- or then

joe biden was still at 71% and literally the same exact number that this poll shows now. the thing we got to keep in mind is, you know, polls can say one thing, but if you look at the way black folks have actually voted, these estimates -- this is not the first time we've heard estimates of 20% from trump. we heard that herschel walker might get 20% in georgia. that didn't happen. in fact, if you look at black men, interestingly in 2016 he got 14% of black men and in 2020, he only got 12% of black men, and so the number's actually going in the reverse, but you're seeing a lot of talk about these polls, but if you look at the way that we vote, it's not going to happen. it's not a massive shift. the bigger question though, is whether or not folks actually turn out to vote at all. there's always that third choice of not voting for either candidate.

>> maybe that is who were speaking to when you talked to "the washington post." i thought it was fascinating reading over the weekend your comments to the post. the sky's not falling for the biden campaign, but you did say, cliff, it just might be drizzling. how do you turn this around? >> yeah, exactly. it's not all doom and gloom, but there are some signs, right? the main thing is you've got to talk to people. you've got to get people good information about what's been done. the most common question we have is, well, i don't know what exactly he's done, right? they've got to improve the message, and a lot of times when people say that, they're just talking about the message itself, but when we talk about it, we mean you got to improve the message, meaning the substance. you've got to improve who the messenger is. it's got been a trusted messenger, and you've got to improve where you deliver the message. the last couple of times he's come to south carolina, he's got to go to churches, and invest in black media. you've got to stream things on a thing that younger folks watch.

you've got to put it wherever people go, the club, barbershop, whatever, and you've got to improve how frequently that message is delivered, but the good news for them is that the substance is there about things that have been done. >> i was thinking of an image of president biden at the club. that would be quite a campaign stop, but in all seriousness, younger voters, that's actually where most to his weakness is, but i think it's concerning to the campaign is among younger, black voters. how much of that, cliff, do you attribute to this president not calling for a ceasefire and the mounting civilian casualties in gaza? we saw him interrupted by protesters over it just this weekend in south carolina. >> yeah, no. that is definitely a major issue. you know, i told a high-ranking person within the administration that has got to be their most concerning issue. when you look at the poll numbers, you know, black voters in general are disappointed with the president's policy,

disappointed to be generous with the president's policy in gaza, but when you look at the younger black voters, it's around 70%, 75%, 80% who are not just disappointed, but just outright mad about it, and that can be an issue. i mean, wars have changed presidencies. i mean, ask lyndon b. johnson. they've got to look at that policy and they've got to talk to young folks about the things they have done, the things going within with police accountability, which had a lot of young people in the streets back in 2020, and this administration has actually done things, but they don't talk about it enough, you know, talk about gun reform, talk about climate change which young people care about. that won't eliminate the concerns and the outright anger about gaza, but folks have got to hear something that at least gives them some kind of balance to what they are really upset about in terms of policy in gaza. >> you bring them out. police reform just to end on

that. to guarantee that the president made at the beginning of the administration, police reform and voting rights and those are the john lewis voting rights act, major police reform didn't get through. how much does that weigh on their support? >> i mean, it definitely weighs, you know, even weirder to be honest, that black voters matter critical and they said the administration didn't do enough, but they did eventually come out and he came out and he said, we have to modify the filibuster to pass voting rights. it's things they tried to do, but didn't exactly get done, that, you know, some people are very upset about in terms of criminal justice, yes. the george floyd act didn't pass largely because it was sabotaged by tim scott, but when you look at the fact that the -- the cops that killed breonna taylor were prosecuted federally, when you look at the people that killed

ahmaud arbery, and they were prosecuted both locally and federally. when you look at no-knock warrants being banned federally, there were things that were done, but nobody knows that because they haven't been talked about. if they were in the streets for these issues in 2020, it's hearing that something's been done on that short of the george floyd act, but still, that things have been done, that can also encourage people to go vote. >> this is fascinating conversation, cliff. i hope you come back soon. thank you for your time this morning. >> thank you. >> phil? well, this morning, a key negotiator says a deal has been reached on a new border security package and could be ready for the senate floor in just the coming days, but in an effort to sink a policy win for president biden, former president trump is pressuring republicans to block the deal saying, he'll be more than happy to take the blame if it fails. >> please blame it on me. please, because they were getting ready to pass a very bad bill, and i'll tell you what. a bad bill is -- i would rather

have no bill than a bad bill. >> cnn's lauren flax joins me live on capitol hill with more. saying the quiet part out very loud to some degree. i guess i appreciate the acknowledgment there, but lauren, in terms of what the former president is saying about this legislation, if there is no bill, what happens at the border? >> reporter: yeah. i mean, this is certainly something that republicans that have been negotiating this deal and republicans that have been making this case to the conference privately, they have to do something and you can't just look at the political landscape, the reality that donald trump wants to use the border as an area to go after president joe biden and the election as a reason or an excuse not to do something, and, you know, this bill does make significant policy changes on the southern border. it's not just an investment in border security. it is expected to make concrete changes to the way that

immigration policy works with the goal of trying to reduce the number of poll factors that are encouraging migrants to come across the southern border. some of the areas are increasing the threshold, the credible fear standard for people who are seeking asylum coming across the border. it's also an effort to try and speed up how quickly those asylum claims are processed in court. sometimes those cases drag on and on for years in the immigration system. this is an effort to try and fix that, but phil, obviously it is not going to be enough for some conservatives, and it may not be enough not just because of the policy in the bill, but because donald trump is very clearly using his megaphone against it. >> right, and that could sink not just the border deal, but also ukraine funding, israel funding, indo-pacific funding as well. can we kind of cut through the usual back and forth here and just between me and you as if we were always going to back and forth when we were both on the hill, is this going to get through?

like, what's the pathway here? do you see this having a real chance of getting done beyond kind of the political atmospherics? >> a test is going to come, and that's because it's not clear what the republican vote count would actually be in the senate right now. in fact, there was this illuminating moment over the weekend where james langford who's been the key negotiator on this, he said they don't know what the votes are right now. here's what he said. >> we do not have a vote count because everybody has to read and go through it, but i feel positive because the initial feedback has been good. >> i think james is -- shhe's smart. he's hardworking and he knows the issue, but he's on a suicide mission. the democrats do not want to secure the border. >> reporter: and you see there the tension within the republican conference, and this tension is going to reveal itself this week. one of the things that thom tillis, a republican who's been supportive of this effort told me repeatedly last week and the week before is that this bill,

in order to actually move the minds of some republicans in the house, it would have to get a majority of the republican conference in the senate. i think that is going to be an extremely heavy lift right now given the comments we've seen right now, given trump's role right now in trying to attack and assail this legislation. we just don't know. the bill is expected early this week. we don't have it yet and we'll see where the votes stand after that, phil? >> putting the cards on the table. lauren fox, my friend. thank you. super bowl. it is a throwback to 2020. the chiefs face the 49ers thanks to an historic comeback and a celebrity good luck charm. and you're looking at live images outside of france where a group of farmers is blocking highways around paris. they are protesting for higher pay, better working conditions, and less regulatioion. wewe'll keep y you posted.d. we'll bebe right bacack.

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the control room was playing "beastie boys" in our ear. >> that was the reference. we're going to try to continue that. celebrating a 17-10 victory to punch their ticket to super bowl lviii. the chiefs had body movement and they never looked back. they're sure to get no sleep till vegas where they'll be taking on the 49ers who seem to be sabotaging themselves after falling behind early against the detroit lions and they were able to get it together. >> who wrote this script?

sam? >> yes, of course. the brilliant sam fernando. >> 17-point deficit at halftime, and our senior data reporter is with us now. how historic was this comeback? >> sam fernando, a master of scripts. all right. top nfc championship game comebacks. 17 points versus the lions yesterday. that ties a 17-point comeback that the san francisco 49ers had against the falcons back in 2013. so the 49ers, history you can c -- historic comebacks all over the place. unless they're not making the super bowl, and did it yesterday. i feel so bad for the detroit lions. when did they last win an nfl title? it was back in '57. that was 21,137 days ago. the top show was "gunsmoke," and the president was dwight eisenhower. that is a long time ago. i'm so sorry lions fans.

my heart goes out to. >> you that's just mean. >> can you talk about the important things? taylor swift. >> there was this whole thing about how often is taylor swift shown in games? in fact, it was sort of the -- look in on her when she said, get the camera off of me. how often is she actually shown? this is my conservative estimate. i kept count of it yesterday. there were five appearances she made not including halftime. her air time was 33 seconds. post game she shared a lovely kiss with her lovely beau, travis kelce and will she make it back to the super bowl in time? she has to get back from tokyo. tokyo to vegas flight is 11.5 hours. he'll make it back in plenty of time, thank goodness. >> a private jet helps. >> yes, it does. >> sitting with a stopwatch. watching the game. we appreciate you,