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dismissed news, pull it back. it might not mean the same thing. tonight on laura coates live. all right, you've heard this before. members the house are set to mark two new articles from the great moral. but this time, it is not for donald trump. it is also not for joe biden. instead, they're targeting president biden's homeland security secretary, the man you see right there alejandro mayorkas. the house republicans that are accusing him, it is because he's not enforcing, they, say the border laws and he is losing the trust of the american people. you're probably wondering, which is the high crime or misdemeanor, like in a lawn or an order episode you might not find it tonight. the misdemeanor, i, crime if you're not odd for asking the question. of course, those are the actual constitutional standards for impeachment.

frankly, it's been more negligence over the years, but i wonder if you think it would meet the criteria. democrat on the homeland security committee says the articles don't include a shred of evidence. the dhs says it is a farce. and legal experts say that this really boils down to not a legal dispute, but a policy dispute. so, now, what is really going on? no one is arguing that what is happening at the border is somehow all roses. it is, in fact, a problem. crisis comes to mind. that is why democrats and republicans, as you know, have been working together on a bipartisan border deal so that right now it does not seem very likely to happen. why? not because of an incumbent, not because of the actual president, or even a sitting senator, or member of congress, it is because a candidate, a presidential candidate, donald trump, has said don't do it. has told republicans to torpedo it, making senators in his party, while they are not too pleased about it all.

>> this will be a very significant achievement of this republican minority in the u. s. senate, forcing the issue. so i hope no one is trying to take this away for campaign purposes. >> i don't see how we have a better story to tell when we miss the one opportunity we have to fix it and we go to say, we would love to have fixed it but it was election season so i thought i would wait. >> the question is, do you want to get something that will help us stem the tide of humanity coming across the border, and drugs, or do you want to get nothing? >> it's a heck of a choice. once again, it seems politics is trump-ing some of the solutions. the pond, is, of course, intendant. let's talk about it now with -- new york gop joe pinion, and jamal simmons, a former deputy to president biden. and tara palmieri, who is a senior political correspondent for puck news. i'm so glad you're all here with me tonight. first of all, began with

substance here. what are you hearing about what it actually would mean for this deal? what is in it, what is the deal? we're hearing a lot about the, in principle, i hate that phrase, but not the text of things. where are they? >> they haven't actually revealed the text because they don't want to be torpedoes, as they always do. they're holding it back. but what we have learned so far is that when there are surges, when there is more than 5000 migrants crossing the border in a day, the president can unilaterally stop asylum processing. he can stop these people from effectively coming into the country. and that would happen on day one, because we're getting way more than 5000 migrants coming into the country today. essentially, as soon as the legislation is signed, joe biden said he will take it into effect. the problem is that, of course, or publicans are going to say that 5000 is too many, we can't allow anyone to apply for asylum because these people are still allowed to apply for asylum. in some cases, that people

would be allowed to get work permits right away. they will be able to integrate into our society, which is what you think they would want, but there is no pathway in this for dreamers, there's no pathway for the 11 million people or so that are living in this country illegally. but it is a step, it's a step in the direction for both parties that have been saying, well mainly the republicans, that they wanted this. they want this part of the israel ukraine deal. they said we will not give aid to ukraine or israel without at the border. now you've got it, but it'sof t israel ukraine deal. they said we will not give aid to israel or ukraine without border and now they are killing it because of trump essentially. >> shock of the century. it is shocking for some. first of all the idea for democrats, there is no pathway to citizenship. republicans and democrats have talked about immigration and reform for decades but democrats have hung their hats a lot on the idea of the pathway. it is not here.

>> a lot of people are concerned about this. no pathway for dreamers. the expanded guest worker program will not exist. people are asking rightfully, we are arguing with republicans to do what republicans have already said they want to do. so what does it make sense, standing up against russia for ukraine and hoping to find is real and then securing the border including putting more border personnel judges and electronic equipment at the border, a lot of these things people argue are good to do. republicans want to do that but they will not acrylate to take a vote. >> i think we need to take a step back, it is more complicated than saying president trump wants to take it off the table.

i will say this, looking at it from a substantive standpoint, one thing all americans want, what we have on the border is a crisis. it is a humanitarian crisis, it is something affecting people across the country. people want to have that flow of illegal immigration stanched and on some basic level the issue is, if you're going to have this average of 5000 number in there, that is what is suggested, you are talking about the equivalent of another syracuse crossing the border on a recurring basis, places where people are already struggling with poverty, where we see people across the political spectrum, we cannot have our needs neglected to make sure people that have been here for 24 hours get to be first in line. it comes down to, is this the

broader immigration reform people have been seeking for decades or is it a stopgap that is supposed to do with the acute crisis we have on the southern border and republicans will say you can actually have a solution to the problem that codifies the thing we are trying to -- >> let me say one thing. you can talk as well, the number zero keeps coming to mind. that is what mike johnson has been talking about. the number has to be zero. that is unrealistic. what joe is talking about and what congress is talking about and the idea of zero. >> george bush tried to do this in the 2000. john mccain tried to do this and both were scuttled by the same right-wing forces that did not want to do a deal that

would have any compassion to it. the problem i have is that they do not want to deal with it because they would rather have the politics than the solution. >> i will say this, we need to be honest about the fact that it is a election-year and both sides like to play politics with issues nobody should play politics with. >> democrats see this is a popular issue now. >> i was either want to try to solve the problem and trump is saying i do not want this done on a election-year because it may benefit biden? >> at the white house this is a issue that bothers democrats and republican voters. so it would be a victory for biden to fix the issue. for a while the democrats did not want to go near this because they did not want to alienate the progressive base and now they do not want to do it because they want to win

over the swing voters. >> everybody is a yes except trump, therefore we will not do it. >> let me ask you about this, the politics about impeachment. we are all on the same page in terms of the fact there is a fact this is a issue that needs to be addressed. this is being being served up as a scapegoat, others say he is not a scapegoat, he is the problem. i am not sure how high crime or misdemeanor articulated but reach of trust, is that a way to satisfy to get at this very problem? >> it will be difficult to satisfy the high crimes and misdemeanors portion of this impeachment. the impeachment in its entirety becomes difficult. i do not think the conversation is inconsequential. when you're looking at people

on the south side of chicago talking about how the migrant crisis is impacting them. when you actually hear the pain and suffering of everyday people in new york, 80 million behind in repairs for public housing and meanwhile we are into a deficit at the state and city level trying to deal with the migrant crisis that many leaders from chuck schumer to the governor told us was a republican talking point comes down to democrats finally realizing we actually cannot afford to ignore this issue anymore and that is how you end up with a impeachment. to your original point, i do not believe ultimately the actual pillars of what are detailed as high crimes and misdemeanors are actually able to be met. >> you have jeffries, adams, these leaders in the democratic party going out and saying resident bided we need to do something about migration, we are being flooded in our cities.

you do not want to alienate democratic voters this election year. both sides are playing politics but at the end of the day it is a test of the grip trump has on the party because this would be a consequential piece of legislation for both sides. >> politics is politics but this is the president that put in place a muslim man. during the course of his campaign he wants to reinstate his immigration policies. there are some people acting in good faith here. a lot of mayors and some governors and then you have trump and stephen miller in the right ring gang that do not want more legal immigration to the country. >> something tells me behind the scenes when we cut to commercial it will be heated on this panel. thank you so much. president biden is under pressure for a lot of reasons

tonight. some for immigration others for his need to respond to the drone attack in jordan that killed three u.s. service members but how will it play at home especially with younger voters that are already fed up with a lot of the foreign policy efforts. we talk about their perspective next.

tonight officials say they do not want to go to war with iran but they are promising a serious response after a weekend drone attack at a u.s. military outpost in jordan killed three u.s. army soldiers and wounded more than 40 others. this comes at a precarious time for biden with two international conflicts and

potentially a third one looming and young voters are especially concerned about what is happening overseas and frankly about u.s. foreign policy decisions. check out this university pole. 70% of 18-34-year-olds disapprove of the way biden is handling foreign policy. 16% approve. not quite 100% yet but still 16% versus 70. i am here with the author of the ones we have been waiting for, how a new generation of leaders will transform america. thank you for being here, every time biden is speaking or vice president harris, there are protesters present they are talking about a number of issues including gaza, ukraine and beyond. i wonder when you look at this, what are you hearing from young voters about how they are

feeling about our foreign policy involvement in these wars in general. >> one of the things i am hearing from young voters and activists and organizers i'm talking to is that the situation in gaza was the straw that broke the camels back with biden's standing for young people. they have been getting increasingly disappointed about the biden administration particularly around something called the willow project. not that many people know about it but it is a drilling project on federal land in alaska that the biden administration approved after promising to young voters in the 2020 election that he would ban all drilling on federal land. there is already a lot of disillusionment and disappointment and then i think what has been happening in gaza has been the tipping point for that dissolution to turn into outreach. >> what is it specifically about the outrage?

is it steeped in a issue run peace more broadly or the prioritization of certain areas over others? is it about the alliances? is it pinpointed to a particular aspect of why? >> that is a great question, i think for a lot of younger voters and americans they see this as a systemic injustice issue. they see it as connected to many of the other issues of systemic injustice we have seen the youngers generation protest over. so they see these injustices as connected to each other. so i also think the older cohort of this generation, the millennial's have a deep skepticism about american interference abroad. this is the generation that grew up in the shadows of the wars in iraq and afghanistan. so they are deeply skeptical

about what happens when america gets too entangled in overseas conflicts. >> you wonder if that means there is a solution, a endpoint or some kind of protracted involvement that does not result in a tangible result. also vice president harris was in california today to talk about reproductive rights. part of what the new campaign is about. listen to this from pro- palestinian protesters. of course as you can imagine they have been hanging a lot of hopes trying to galvanize voters but every event focused on this has incorporated these pictures

on this issue. is this a single to the biden campaign or the administration broadly that they have to divide attention among the two areas because this latter one is what is really at stake? >> it is a single to the biden campaign that they need to take young voters under 30 more seriously because the voters under 30 that voted for biden in 2020 that put him over the top in the key states in michigan arizona pennsylvania and georgia, young voters really help among was many other parts of biden's base. as the years ago by the voters that were 28 in 2020 or 32 and 2024 so it is not the same people who voted for him in 2020 who he now needs to win over. that means he needs a new playbook. he needs to give the voters

something to vote for not against. the more i talked to the younger voters and organizers the threat of a trump partisan see. they are concerned about it but it is not enough to motivate them. they are upset about what is happening in gaza they do not want to hear about trump. i think this playbook of making the election all about trump again will work with some parts of biden's base but i am not sure it is enough. >> what is the or else? >> i think it is or else stay home. there are recent polls at the end of last year that showed trump leading with some young people. i would like to see more data on that before i believe this cohort that has really been leaning left for 10 years will suddenly switch to mag a. i think it is more likely they stay home. >> that is something to think

about. they would have to rewrite the entire playbook. thank you for being here. eiji carol speaking to cnn, she says trump is using her to get votes.

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eiji carol is speaking out on the heels of that massive 83 million in damages awarded to hers in defamation cases against trump telling cnn she believes the former president is trying to use her victory in

court. to drum up votes for him. >> the court room was not a courtroom it was a campaign stop. that was clear. we had to different objectives, ours was to take a case him was to get voters. a man found liable for sexual assault is using the woman he sexually assaulted to get votes. >> joining me now analyst and former prosecutor, i am so glad you guys are both here with me today. first of all let me begin with you, she says trump is using her to get votes. i am wondering, her speaking out, if that is his plan, did that help or hurt his campaign broadly? >> right now eiji carol and the entire case surrounding carol ann trump, including this

massive historic payout in this defamation suit is absolutely helping trump. i want to offer a caveat, it is part of a larger victim narrative, he says the corpse are corrupt, he is calling into question eiji carol as a person, he said all of this is an attack on us. a reflection of a system that is rigged. that is helping generate energy among his core base. at the same time though it is also deeply hurting his campaign and the larger institution of the republican party. it is not just this defamation case, it is also these other cases were trump has to pay out millions in damages. eiji carol has said she is willing to sue him again if necessary so ultimately it is about a financial cost to trump and the republican party so it

is a trade off. it is good for his campaign as a individual but it is terrible for the party in the country. >> it is a good point on what is to come. 83 million is one of them. there is also the new york civil fraud trial where he stands to have his business, his political currency as a mogul to be reduced when they are seeking over 370 million. that is a lot of dollars and if that is part of what is ahead of him that can be truly unprecedented. >> there are the criminal trials as well. part of me thinks this is all of his desperate bid to stay out of prison. he needs to be reelected to stay out of prison. there are four criminal cases coming and he will be convicted in at least one of them.

if they go forward because he is not elected he will face a jury in all cases and be convicted in multiple. to me this is all eggs in the basket to do whatever i can to get myself reelected because if i do not jail is coming. >> after last may when he had the first verdict he spoke quickly about eiji carol. listen to this. >> i have no idea who this woman is, this is a fake story. i have never done that. she is a whack job. >> that was a day after the verdict. our town hall moderated by collins and now we have not heard anything. it is like crickets with him. message received? >> one of the things we know about trump is that he hates to be silenced but also has a good team of lawyers surrounding him. not just the lawyers in the

eiji carol case but some lawyers in the criminal cases and other charges he is facing. somebody is telling him to be quiet. that is the smartest strategy he can have now. not just because he is facing this million-dollar lawsuit but also because carol has said i will see you again, he can be caught in a lie, there are innumerable things that can happen what we have also seen is that at the same time either trump or whoever is monitoring his social media channels, has also been tweeting out a lot of this information around carol. we have also seen some of these harder right wing media sources do the dirty work of trump. when he is not out there speaking from his platform we see various vehicles asking questions about who is carol,

is this part of a larger root system, in order to push back on this larger narrative and undermine carol's entire approach. i will say this though. it is not working in the broader public and carol has been clear about this saying what is this about, it is about accountability and controlling a narrative. even as trump is silent at the advice of his lawyers carol is not and she is using it as a opportunity to fight back. >> it is fascinating to think about, the idea of automating one's message. keeping your hands clean from here on out. now your minions can do everything else for you. i am curious as to why we have not heard from the courts on the other cases. the circuit court on the immunity issue in particular. the justice was speaking today

about her frustrations on the court more broadly. listen to this. >> change happens because people care. about moving the arc of the universe towards justice. it can take time. it can take frustration. i live in frustration. as you heard every loss traumatizes me in my stomach and in my heart. i have to get up the next morning. and keep fighting. >> i do not know if she is foreshadowing something deeper but i think it does speak to impatience and frustration. it is how people feel about the courts on issues like this that we do not have in the broader judiciary, answers like this the president have absolute

immunity, can he be on a pallet? >> that does not make you very confident for what is going to happen the rest of this term. those things are calming, i am surprised that dc circuit is taking as long as they have, they are obviously writing a comprehensive opinion about this. we have the february 8 argument coming up on the ballot and i think the supreme court will decide that quickly. primaries are going on and people need to know if he will be on the ballot but court cases do take time and that is why when it finally does happen like when the carol verdict finally comes in they say there is a interesting point that both carol and her lawyers make, he is this fearsome figure, he is a bully, he says whatever he wants and he has this power and followers that will do whatever he says, when you get within the four walls of the courtroom where he can

be controlled and you cannot just lie, it is different. he is just a man. carol's lawyer said he is just a guy, he is not this all- powerful figure. it does take time, it takes time to get them into the courtroom and that's what we're seeing. it takes time to get the case is underway. it will be more time before we are at trial but when we are and when the truth is paramount and when the rules of evidence govern and you have a judge that can control the proceedings he is just a man facing the law. >> to quote notting hill one day he will be a boy in front of the court asking him not to throw the book at him. thank you so much. never before seen video mean public in the trial of ethan's mom. it shows his parents for seeing his son hours after he carried

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there is a flood of legal news today, starting with the judge denying alex murdochs request for a new trial after a juror says they were swayed by comments from a courtroom clerk. murdoch was convicted last year of killing his wife and son and then there is the trial of jennifer, the mother of ethan, he is spending life in prison for killing four students in a michigan school shooting in 2021 and now his parents are the first in the nation to go

on trial for what could be charges against them to hold them responsible for their son's school shooting. who is the best to talk about all of this with? joey jackson of course. first of all the murdoch trial, you and i talked about the trial in south carolina, the fact that a juror says they were swayed by a court clerk who was influencing that person in a way that was not expected but that was not enough to get a new trial. did that surprise you? >> it did not end here is why. the reality is you are entitled to a fair trial, not a perfect trial. the second thing is, there was a evidentiary hearing in which the judge evaluated the testimony of all 12 jurors. it takes all 12, 11 said absolutely not, no influence.

the others said the clerk did heavy influence, however the other jurors had more of a influence with respect as to why she voted to guilty. a six week trial a three-hour deliberation and overwhelming evidence which suggests harmless error. at the end of the day there was a miscue by the clerk but it was not outcome determinative to the issue of guilt and the judge saying it was so overwhelming this would not have mattered. it will be appealed but i think this was the right call. >> interesting thinking about that. it is the cost benefit analysis. let's talk about ethan's mother's trial. the first time this country has grappled with a parent being charged for the actions of their child, a minor at the time who committed this horrific act.

we got new footage of jennifer and james, seeing their son at the police station right after the shooting. look at this. >> why? >> i love you. >> you look at this and she is crying. she is asking the question why. how does this play into her

defense? >> one piece of evidence that would suggest she is very surprised. one is foreseeability, is it foreseeable that your son would behave in this way under circumstances where he has mental health maladies and you are not paying attention? the second is the notice question, with a on notice of the maladies of the child and if did they act reasonably. how can you suggest they would have gone in and say something he would have done but the goal is to show they did not know the extent and severity of the child's mental health condition. >> the most important thing, when she hits the stand that will be for all the marbles. >> without question, her testimony as to what she knew and if she knew anything, overwhelmingly important.

>> will she point the finger at her husband? >> you know that is happening. >> thank you so much. the super bowl is set and there is new conspiracy theories already floating around but it may not be about what you would expect. how taylor swift got dragged into all of it. next.

the chiefs heading to their fourth super bowl in five years and they take on the 49ers in a vegas super bowl rematch.

taylor swift has to be mentioned, she was in a box last night and on the field for the postgame celebrations and some say they have bad blood with the nfl over the attention she is getting and there is a lot of conspiracy theories now including one from someone trying to bring the election into this. he claims the entire thing is rigged to give her more airtime ahead of a eventual joe biden endorsement in the fall. people are laughing already in the background. first of all let's talk about the moment or the fact that there is a conspiracy theory. >> we should not talk about it. it is so ridiculous that anybody believes any of this nonsense and where was the rigging when they were losing

games? the idea that nfl game could be rigged, how would you do that? the fact that it would be somehow tied to a political campaign? that is hard to believe that people come up with these ideas and think people will believe them but there you go. >> he is trying to get some sort of headline. it is a conversation to be had even if you want to talk about a script or conspiracy theory. it is time to say patrick is the equivalent of a goat as his tom brady. >> how dare you? we are on tv. >> he is going to his fifth super bowl. i do not know how many rings patrick will have but that is a conversation to have. now to the taylor point of it

all? >> that is the point for so many people. >> i have to be honest, i truly do not understand why the nfl is acting like it has never happened in the history of sports, a actress or singer dates a quarterback? russell wilson, victoria beckham ? tony romo and jessica simpson? my point is it happens. i understand that she registers , she hits but the true fans, we've had enough. let her enjoy the game. >> partially it is different because it is taylor swift. my daughters have never watched football but they started coming into the room.

she is bringing us together. she is bringing america together. >> i agree. i love the idea that we have another group of young women watching football but to say that women were not watching football, i was in philadelphia last week, tell that to the ladies sitting in the bar next to me that were upset that taylor is the only person they show. women have been watching sports before taylor swift. >> two things can be true. women have been watching sports and especially football. >> laura is here for the concert in between the football games. >> if during ushers performance it cuts to anybody but usher i will call pete dominick. >> i have talked to all of the

higher ups and i said please do not cut away from pressure to taylor swift. the bottom line is it is mostly unifying. it has been fun and the fact that it is working a lot of football fans or trump fans or man is beautiful. deal with it, it is funny and great and love should when and i think it is authentic. is that a controversial thing? >> are you asking for the 49ers or the chiefs? >> the lions. >> on that note he is now the antihero. thank you both so much and thank you all for watching. i will be live on instragram in just a few minutes. our coverage continues.