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in the hot seat, major tech ceos feasting off with lawmakers on capitol hill to explain what their platforms are and are not doing to keep kids safe. critics say it is not enough. we are going to break down what
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is at stake for families and how tech leaders are responding. ended tire warning. the fbi director signing the alarm about chinese hackers and the threat they pose to american and for structure. his called action as he testifies before congress. and in gaza, a hospital unable to properly treat patients has turned into a shelter instead. there is little if any drinking water, and people are so hungry they have resorted to eating grass. the latest on the crisis in gaza. those stories and more ahead on cnn news central . >> it is the top of the hour. thank you so much for sharing your afternoon with us. would begin with a high- stakes and emotional hearing on capitol hill. the world's biggest tech leaders facing a barrage of questions from lawmakers about the potential harm their platforms
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can cause on young people. we heard from the ceos of meta, which owns facebook, instagram, tiktok, snapchatted, and x, formerly known as twitter. sitting right behind them in the room, failures of children who are harmed engaging with social media. we want to live to claire duffy. she has been tracking this hearing. some testing moments. how did the ceos respond? >> reporter: the ceos were largely defensive here, as you would expect. they touted some of their existing safety measures and policies. we did get some rare admissions from the ceos, including from meta ceo, mark zuckerberg, who actually turned around to address the families in this hearing room. let's listen to what he said. >> are families of victims here today. have you apologized to the victims? would you like to do so now? they are here, you are on national television. would you like now to apologize to the victims who have been harmed by your product? show them the pictures. would you like to be, would you like to apologize for what you
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have done to these good people? >> going through the things your family have suffered, this is why we have invested so much and are making efforts to make sure that no one has to go through the type of things that your family has suffered. >> a really striking moment there from zuckerberg, snapchatted ceo evan spiegel also apologize to families who children have died after buying drugs on the platform. it is clear at this point that the apologies, the existing measures are not enough for lawmakers. lawmakers push the ceos to commit to endorsing a number of potential proposed legislation, including the kids online safety act, the stop child sexual assault material act, and i think the question for me coming out of this hearing is that we heard so many different proposed legislation, proposed option of how to hold this
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company accountable, that i'm wondering if the lawmakers are going to be able to coalesce around one plan of action that they can really move forward and make progress on forest. >> we are going to ask that of the senator, along with a parent who is in that senator -- room in just a moment. thank you so much for breaking this down for us. >> is lawmakers are grilling the ceos, let's talk about why the issues are so critical. why are we paying so much attention to to this? in a research survey from december, you have one third of teens saying they use social media apps almost constantly. and the number of teens saying they use the internet almost constantly, that is 46%. that number has doubled in just eight years. so let's take a look at what they are using. 93% said they are on youtube, compared to 63% who say they are using tiktok . 60% using snapchatted, 59% of them on instagram. a smaller share, 33% of them are on facebook. if you look at
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what girls prefer here, they are more likely to use instagram, tiktok, and snapchatted, while boys are more likely than girls to be on youtube , x, formerly known as twitter, and reddit. the concerns about social media were made clear in facebook's own research, revealed by the wall street journal back in 2021. an article that explained how facebook's own researchers said, quote, we make body issues worse for one in three teen girls, while also adding here that 6% of american users traced a desire to kill themselves to instagram. court documents in a separate lawsuit alleged that ceo mark zuckerberg repeatedly thwarted teen well-being initiatives, something he was asked about today. and then, just last month new mexico's aji filed a lawsuit accusing meta forms of creating a breeding ground for child predators. now, meta, the parent company
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of facebook and instagram appears to be making some amends here. they are rolling out safety features this month for parents, and saying that it would hide search results related to self-harm or eating disorders. here is an example of that, when you type in some of these keywords into meta search function, what is clear is that too many teens are spending what experts say is too much time on apps , and that sometimes these apps are not doing enough to keep them safe very clearly. so that leads us to who all has been testifying at this hearing today, and questions about whether congress will actually do anything to reign in social media. since we did obviously touch on the issue of suicide, i want to mention that if you or a loved one are struggling, you can call the mental health crisis line at 988, such an important resource. >> it is critical that folks know that those resources are out there. emotions obviously ran high during today's hearing, as lawmakers pressed the tech executives on several proposed
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bills. the democratic senator from minnesota, amy klobuchar , appeared visibly upset as she recounted stories of parents whose children were impacted by these platforms. listen. >> there is been so much talk at these hearings, popcorn throwing and the like, i just want to get this stuff done. i am so tired of this. it has been 28 years since the internet, we have not pass any of these bills because everyone is doubletalk, doubletalk. it is time to actually pass them. >> senator klobuchar joins us now live, joined by bridget norrie. her son died of accidental overdose after buying a pill laced with fentanyl on snapchatted. thank you both for being with us. bridget, i see you are holding a photograph of devon. we mentioned previously how snapchatted ceo evan spiegel apologize to families whose kids have died after purchasing drugs on that platform. he said, quote, i am so sorry that we have not been able to prevent these tragedies.
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what is your reaction to what you saw today and to that apology? >> i don't feel like the apology was, i feel it was very fake. it lacked any heart behind it. i think he could have done better in his apology to us. >> what was going through your mind during the hearing as you are hearing from these tech ceos directly about these issues? >> it's very frustrating to sit and listen to them, just knowing that the senators mentioned that some of these policies they put in place just days before coming to the hearing today. that, in itself, is worrisome. it tells me that they are not taking this seriously. and i just feel like for them
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are children are just casualties, just pawns in their game to make money. >> senator, there were a number of pieces of legislation mentioned today. you specifically brought up the cooper davis act, that aims to crack down on drug trafficking on social media. there are opponents who argue that the bill infringes on privacy rights. i am curious, though, out of all these pieces of legislation, which do you think is most urgently needed to be passed, and which is most likely to pass? >> well, first of all, bridget's son just went online to get what he thought was a percocet, because he had dental pain and migraines. then it got laced with fentanyl. he did not know he was taking fentanyl, as so many other of these kids don't know. and the thought that these cartels in china or mexico are harnessing these platforms and selling their goods for profit, and kids are dying, i think is enough of an answer of why we
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need changes. you ask what bill. these bills as a group which deal with 30% of people who are getting fentanyl is online, or over 20 kids have committed suicide because of basically being bribed with pictures of themselves because they thought they were looking for a girlfriend or boyfriend and they put their picture online, then they get bribed and they think their life is over. or senator durbin's bill, which actually says hey, you have to have some accountability and liability. if you are putting child pornography on your site and you do not take it down. as a group they are simply about accountability. they have all gotten through the judiciary committee. we would like to see them go as a group to the floor. so i don't see it as either one of the other. i think it is all about accountability on these platforms. and i think what you saw there, and i feel much more hopeful than i have for years on this,
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because those families are standing tall behind those ceos. that image showing the pictures. these are all bipartisan bills, strongly bipartisan with conservatives and liberals and people in between working together. and because the questions were not just throwing popcorn. the questions were about specific bills and pleading with them, get something done here and don't just say oh, we are taking new measures that haven't been working. >> senator, i heard you tell one ceo that the reason the company was not held accountable, the reason congress has not passed stronger regulation for it, is because of the power that these companies have. what have they been doing, in your eyes, to keep lawmakers from passing more restrictions on social media? >> you know, bridget, on behalf of her son, she does not have a full-time lobbyist around every corner. she did not have a couple
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lobbyists for every member of congress. so i figure our job is to stand up for her. and the problem is, every which way you turn they have said we can't do that, we can do that, we can't do that. we don't like how the states are doing it. it is time to put strong federal protections in place. 28 years without any changes. these are no longer little companies starting in a garage. in the case of many of them, they are trillion dollar companies. and of course, we like using their products. but that does not mean you don't have rules in place. when a door falls off of a owing jet, they ground 700 jets to make sure they are safe. and everyone says yeah, that is the right thing to do. well how about here? when she loses her son, when we have kids dying, and no one steps in and says we need to put some clear rules in place to stop this. these companies should be able to get the stuff off of their platforms, and the best way to do it is with money. that means this. they are using money to lobby
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members of congress, while, like with any other industry, people consume and change their ways. they are protected. they have immunity from those lawsuits that got put in place when they were a nascent industry starting out in the garage, and that has got to change. for instance, x, formerly twitter, supported the shield bill on revenge tran31, and snapchatted actually supported the bill for getting law enforcement the tools that they need to go after this fentanyl online. to me, there were cracks in the armor. things were starting to change. and that, we simply need to get these. once we get there with the budget, i know senator schumer is devoted to getting a grouping of these bills to the floor, and we have got to get the budget done. let's go and do that. >> bridget, despite that hope that the senator is sharing, one of the recurring themes from tech companies
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historically touches on the question of personal and parental responsibility. they argue that it is up to parents to look after what the kids are consuming. but just given the amount of apps and content that is out there, do you think it is possible for a parent to keep up with everything that their child comes across on the internet? >> it's not. and in my case, devon was an adult. we have heard that excuse from snapchatted multiple times, we should've been monitoring. but how do you monitor an app? i could say give me your phone, i could tell that to my 17-year- old right now today, let me see your snapchatted. there's not going to be anything there, because the design of the product, those messages are gone. so how do i safeguard that? how do i protect them from that? so no, it needs to be completely overhauled. so parents, when their children are harmed, we do have and can hold big tech accountable, we can hold these people
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accountable for our children's harm. >> one mom told me it was like this water was filling up the sink and it is overflowing, because they go on one app, then the other app. and she is out there with a mop trying to clean it up and she can't do it. so it is time to hold these companies accountable, and put in real measures, so that it is on them and not on every mom. >> bridget, one last question. as you are telling devon's story, i wonder what you want his legacy to be. how you want the world to remember him. >> devon was a smart, intelligent 19-year-old young man with his whole life ahead of him. and one mistake cost him his whole life. i truly miss him. i can't bring him back, but all i can do is stand here alongside senator klobuchar and fight for the future kids
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who might be on these apps and put in danger of becoming a victim like my son. >> bridget, senator klobuchar, thank you both for joining us. rigid, i just want to say personally, thank you so much for bringing us that story. it is very moving, and your desire to put forward this cause is inspiring. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> stay with cnn, will be back in just a few moments.
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a stark warning today from fbi director, christopher wray, that hackers backed by the chinese government are targeting american infrastructure and getting ready to wreak havoc inside the
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united states. >> prc hackers are targeting our critical infrastructure. our water treatment plants, our legible grid, our oil and natural gas pipelines, our transportation systems, and the risk that poses to every american requires our attention now. china's hackers are positioning on american infrastructure in preparation to wreak havoc and cause real- world harm to american citizens and communities. if and when china decides the time has come to strike. >> at a house hearing on capitol hill today, several u.s. security officials talked about how china has been working to slowly and quietly infiltrate american systems. joining me now is my colleague, cnn chief national security analyst. he is also the author of the upcoming book the return of the great powers, russia, china,
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and the next world war. which we are really looking forward to. jim, you have been covering this issue obviously for a long time and and quite a lot of. what stood out in today's hearing? quite an apocalyptic painting of what was done. >> it is the extent of this. this is been happening for some time. china planting, in effect, cyber weapons inside critical u.s. infrastructure systems. border treatment, the power grid, et cetera. russia, as well. and we should note, the u.s. does similar things with its adversaries with the intention of turning those on in the event of a broader conflict, to shut down your enemy. turn the lights off in washington, that kind of thing. the fact is, this goes in both directions. what struck me today was just the scale of it. saying it is worse than i have ever seen it, it is getting worse, and by the way, they are throwing more resources in this direction.
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so we really have to get a handle. >> it may surprise people the links that the chinese government has gone to in order to further its reach inside infrastructure. >> they have enormous resources, and i hear this, and reporting out of my book there is a lot of detail about this in their, that this happens where you plant these various tools inside your adversaries critical systems so that you can, in effect, spread the pain in the event of conflict. not just disable the military, or blind the military, but also inflict pain on civilian population. imagine if you are able to shut down 80% of the u.s. power grid, that capability is possible in china's hands. what effect would that have on you or me, where the people watching right now? china devotes tens of times as many people to this as we do. it is a country of more than 1 billion people, so they have those resources. this is the number that christopher wray gave today which stood out to me. have a listen. >> to quantify what we are up
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against, the prc has a bigger hacking program than that of every major nation combined. in fact, if you took every single one of the fbi's cyber agents and intelligence analysts and focus them exclusively on the china threat, china's hackers would still outnumber fbi cyber personnel by at least 50 to 1. >> 50 to 1. and the thing is, i spoke to the cia director bill burns about this, or the mi six chief, richard moore, they say listen, we are not going to catch up to them in numbers. we are not meeting them into man in this base, so we have to be smarter about how we, the united states and our allies fight this battle. >> what can the u.s. do? are they able to pull off similar things, sort of mutually assured destruction? >> yes, there is some mutually assured destruction to this, a parallel to nuclear war. the sad fact that you have
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these powerful weapons, but so do i. there is something to that. but that is not enough. because no one knows what the redlines are. they might use a little of it, but not all of it. when, how, and how quickly we respond. better defense is necessary. when you hear people talk about our power grid being old and behind, which we know it is, that makes it a lot easier to shut this down. there is talk that china has the ability to take down something like 80% of our electrical transformers. there is this other side to it, which is china also happens to make most of the world transformers. if that were to happen, resupply would be an issue. it is a multilayered problem, and that is what stands out to me, certainly from the testimony today. but when i was speaking with folks all over the world about the u.s. relationship with china and also with russia, which does similar things. >> it was very illuminating, eye-popping today. thank you very much for taking us. the white house is blasting house republicans for vowing to block the senate bipartisan immigration deal. here is what house press secretary.
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>> houser publicans have a choice to make. they can keep playing politics, or they can work in a bipartisan way to secure the border. one republican member from texas even said why would they do anything to help resident biden? this is about helping the american people. >> is lawmakers continue to wrangle over a deal in washington, people across the country are planning to take matters into their own hands. the so-called take or order back convoy will order a series of rallies. in eagle pass texas forest, i just want to point out to our viewers that the convoy right now is only a few dozen people, right? >> you are absolutely right. it is a very small group that is still making their way here to eagle pass, but i want to show you around because i want to show you this standoff between texas and the biden administration looks like on
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the ground. what you see behind me, the trees, that is mexico. and you see the rio grande, the international boundary between the u.s. and mexico. this was the start of the razor wire that was deployed by the state of texas. this was the south end portion of that takeover is owned by texas. here is what is extraordinary. normally you would see border patrol, but right by the river. we are going to pan around, and you will see where border control actually is. border patrol is outside of this takeover zone, and i'm going to -- >> unfortunately it looks like we are having some issues there with roses signal. we'll keep an eye on the situation, though. coming up on cnn news central, they have no access to drinking water and some folks are so hungry they are resorting to eating grass. we are going to be joined by the head of doctors without borders for the
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latest on the situation in gaza. and there is no evidence out of michigan where the mother of a high school gun man is on trial for her alleged role in the crime. the sheriff's detectives says he found jennifer crumbley's statements after the shooting on. we will show you what she said next.
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negotiations for the new israel hamas hostage deal are at a crossroads. a tentative framework has been reached, but the two sides have yet to sign on. yesterday national security advisor jake sullivan met with the qatari prime minister to push the process forward. this week secretary of state antony blinken will return to the middle east. this comes as reporting to the state department is going to start a review that could open the door to the united states recognizing a palestinian state. joining us now, walk us through what this review entails. >> good afternoon. i think that something like a week or two weeks ago, secretary blinken in the state department started a series of reviews around the palestinian conflict. as one u.s. official told me, since the war and got in gaza
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broke all the old paradigms and policies are up in the air, and there is more willingness to review all of them, including the issue of whether the u.s. should recognize a palestinian state this way or another. directly or indirectly, bilaterally, and this work is being done right now the state department and we presented the results to secretary blinken in the coming weeks. >> so the united states has repeatedly been calling for a two state solution. does this try to accelerate that and put pressure on israel? is it symbolic? what are the consequences ultimately? >> so i think, again, nobody is doing it yet. it is just work being done with options being presented to the secretary of state. but the mere fact that the state department is considering this thing shows a shift in the biden administration's thinking, because for years the u.s. policy was that recognization of palestine
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should be a result of the direct negotiations between israel and the palestinian authorities. now there are people at the state department, quite senior people who say you know what? we should turn it around, we should first recognize palestine as a state and take the negotiations from there. it still does not mean that this policy doesn't have a long way to go, but there is new thinking we have not seen up to now. and it shows you how much the gaza war created this opening for rethinking a lot of old paradigms. >> as you said, it is a new paradigm after october 7th. take you so much for the report, we appreciate it. breanna? negotiators are seeking to lock in a six week pause in fighting in gaza, but for many on the ground that relief may come too late. hundreds of thousands of people no longer have a home, many have resorted to eating grass and drinking polluted water.
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and hospitals are buckling. doctors without borders recently got access to gaza's largest medical facility for the first time since november, and their conclusion is that it is barely functional. we are joined now by the executive director of doctors without borders usa. thank you so much for being with us. what more can you tell us about what your colleagues witnessed in the hospital system in gaza? >> thanks, a couple of our colleagues were able to accompany a convoy from the united nations it was going to deliver fuel to the north. it was a very, very harrowing journey, trying to pass through not only difficult checkpoints, but also thousands of people surrounding the convoy that was transporting only fuel. people who are desperate for food and water to survive. and incredibly disappointed
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that they were not bringing food and water. by the time they reached the hospital where some doctors from doctors without borders have been continuing to volunteer for some time, they found a hospital that was filled with around 50,000 people sheltering in their. hardly any materials to be able to treat the wounded that continue to come in. barely any electricity to be able to monitor vital signs of severely wounded people. operating rooms hardly functioning at all, but yet, trying to do the best they could with what little they had left. a harrowing situation with a lot of desperate people. >> and many countries, including the u.s., have caused their funding for unwra, the u.n. aid group that obviously services gaza. this has to do with these allegations by israel that appear to be quite credible, the 13 staffers were involved in the october 7th attack. unwra obviously partners with a
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lot of nonprofits, as well. are you seeing yet the effect of that pause and funding? >> i don't think we will see the effect until there operation start to slow down. but let's remember that this is a lifeline. this is the only organization that is being able to do the big convoys, the transportation, doing the best they can alongside their various partner agencies such as the world health organization that we work with. we are extremely worried. the consequences of a reduction of capacity of the united nations will be catastrophic, and will have a direct impact on the suffering of people in gaza, who of course, are experiencing this collective total siege. >> can you and the w.h.o. and other nonprofits fill the void that this leaves? >> there's no way. especially without a cease- fire. this is one of the things we have been calling for from the beginning. we are working in hospitals
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such as nasser hospital, hospitals in the south where people were told to flee. and as her medical teams are working in these hospitals that are full of patients, 300% capacity, beds overflowing, always overflowing, discharging patients who are not really ready to be discharged just because you have to make more room. we hear explosions all around. our team at nasser hospital, for example, is there with a lot of patients and their families, unable to even evacuate to follow the orders because there is so much insecurity right around the hospital. there is just no way you could move so many hundreds of people safely through that. so the cease-fire is what we really need to be able to deliver aid properly to those who need it most throughout the gaza strip. >> the u.s. is calling for fundamental changes before it resumes funding of unwra. let's be clear, this is a
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difficult problem. it is awful what these folks have been accused of who are part of unwra , these 13. hamas is very much a part of palestinian society. it is something you are navigating if you are a nonprofit there. what do you keep in mind as an organization, to have to do that, to verify your local vendors and the people you're working with? >> the ministry of health is run by the local authority, and that is the civilian administration of hamas. there is no way around that. and for sure, we make a point of never working in a hospital that has become let's arise, that is being used to launch rockets, that is being used to harbor weapon or troops. this is not something that we would ever accept, because it increases the risk to that medical facility. there should not be armed people inside a medical facility, and that is a message to everyone. it is important for us to always uphold that, because we believe very firmly that a
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hospital facility and also an ambulance or a clinic should be a sanctuary, a place where people can find safety. unfortunately, the conduct of this war is such that no place in gaza is safe from the constant bombardment, attacks, orders of evacuation amidst all kinds of insecurity and threats around these hospitals. so again, the cease-fire is what we are calling for. it is essential to be able to maintain the humanitarian assistance and to deliver it properly within those medical spaces that should be protected at all times. >> thank you so much, obviously the situation is very dire in gaza and we appreciate your time. >> thank you. up next, similar revelations out of michigan where the mother of a high school shooter is on trial for her alleged role in his crime. read the text that she sent her son after learning his school was the site of the latest mass shooting.
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a law enforcement officer testifying today in the jennifer crumbley trial said she told lawmakers her son was going to suffer. she is being tried for deadly manslaughter in the 2021 shooting at michigan's oxford high school. her son killed four classmates. prosecutors also presented new text messages that crumbley and their husband sent to their son after the shooting. let's get to jean, following
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the latest testimony. walk us through the details in this latest text messages. >> shortly after the mass shooting happened, law enforcement executed a search warrant on the family home. jennifer had not been charged at all, but they never want people to stay in their home when they are executing a search warrant. so they put her in the squad car. she was just having sort of informal conversations with lieutenant that was standing there, and it was all recorded. here's a portion of that. >> you seem irritated and frustrated. i remember taking notes down, and she made a statement to me saying lives were lost today and he is going to have to suffer. and i found that odd, the way she said that. >> why? >> because she was referring to the person that was her son. >> the mass shooting had just
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happened. these were some comments that were coming out of her mouth so close in time to all of that. that night, december, november 30th, the couple did not stay in their home. they went and found a hotel, motel somewhere. the next night motel. that took into an industrial building, and the prosecution is saying they have led. they were found on december 4th, in the early morning hours on a mattress. you're looking at this video right now, this is body cam footage, that is james crumbley in the blue. they are allegedly woken up, prosecutors are trying to say that they were awake when this happened . but they are arresting them right then and there and they are going to be taken back to oakland county authorities. but that was the beginning of those charges for the crumbley's . what we believe may be the last text that they had with their son, because remember, they have not seen their son since this happened. but they had text from that day
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of november 30th. ethan, don't do it. father saying call me, and somebody else saying hey, did you get shot? those of the communications from ethan's phone. >> thank you so much for the update. stay with cnn news central, we will be right back.
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but i know adam through the big brother program. we've been brothers since i was seven. he stood by my side as i graduated from yale, and i stood by his side when he married eve, the love of his life. i'm a little biased, but take it from adam's little brother. he'll make us all proud as california senator. i'm adam schiff and i approve this message. now, to a disturbing story that is developing outside of philadelphia. we are learning new details about the man accused of killing his father and severing his head and then posting an extremely graphic video about it on youtube. he was arrested overnight after police found a machete and a large knife at the crime scene. danny freeman is in
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pennsylvania for us. do we have any word about why this happened? >> reporter: at this point, we don't have any motive from law enforcement as to why this happened but we are learning more about 32-year-old justin mohn and lawsuits he has filed. he sued the federal government three times in 2022 and 2023 for allowing him to borrow money for college without telling him that he might not find satisfactory work as a, quote, overeducated white man. in 2009, mohn also sued his former employer, progressive insurance, for being paid less than his female peers . he also said he was ultimately fired because of sex discrimination but progressive said he was terminated from that job because he picked open a door and a judge in that case ruled in favor of progressive.
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it all continues to paint a picture of this man who has been accused of beheading his own father and then posting about it on youtube and then running to a national guard base 100 miles west of that crime scene, breaking into the national guard base with a gun before ultimately being caught. that man, justin mohn, is in custody right now. he was arraigned on charges including murder and abuse of a body. a very disturbing story but we are learning more about the man at the center of all of this. >> danny freeman, thank you. we will be right back.
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size 23 shoe. that is helping jarrell bolden's feet are. the 16-year-old from missouri is a big kid. he stands about 6'5". his mom lunch a gofundme, explaining that he is now beyond the size 22 shoe that most vendors go up to. >> she says a custom-made size 23 costs more than $1000. high school soccer told affiliates kc tb that he must wear his current sneakers since they are the only shoes he has. >> they are too tight. they hurt when i walk. i don't like asking people for help. >> i am on a mission. he can't really go out. >> i think this will help with his mission. >> just to put things in context, shaquille o'neal is size 22. the lead with jake tapper starts next

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