what nolan else is talking about, and what everyone should be. tonight on laura coates live -- ♪ ♪ ♪ nikki haley sitting down with -- at the breakfast club and taking her sharpest shots yet at one donald trump, calling him toxic, saying he lacks moral clarity. you may have heard about that, right? did you hear about what she said the topic turned to races in america again? well, here it for yourself. >> can you estimate that america is systemically and structurally racist country? >> culture has a lot to do with it, right? it's more of, if you look at that, how do you fix it, right -- >> all men are created equal, no, they weren't, because we relate with three fifths of a human, black people were. >> we made that wrong right, and we have more rights we have to do -- >> systemically and

structurally, you think america is racist? not the people, not everybody in america -- >> i don't think america is racist. we have racism in america, and -- i think we have cultural issues. >> is that a trick question, right? especially the fiasco with when she failed to incorrectly answer the question, if there is a correct question, or the cause of the civil war. that is the question. hint, there is an actual answer, it's slavery. did she get it right this time, or did she not get it right? i want to bring in ben lathan, look a host of the higher learning podcast. then, so good to see you, usually it's in person, but i will take this instead in philadelphia. you heard this, she said more than a few bites at the apple to try to get the answer to the audience, and get the message he wants to convey. it still is not landing. why? >> courage. courage! i mean, but to

haleyville's which is asked to talk about questions of race in america, but most politicians do. the fact is, there is no way to really contextualize black people's current existence in america without coming to terms with the fact structural and systemic racism has been a large part of my existence here. if we can't ever really talk about that, our inability to meet that conversational moment is going to be reflected in our inability to meet the moment in terms of doing something about it. she failed talking to charlamagne, and i expected that she would. >> you could say, it's interesting, i was thinking something you said earlier today. when i talk about racism, and she was asked about racism, you talked about black. i often wondered is one of the reasons why she is not broadening her perspective on what racism is broadly in this country to include black and brown, and a whole host of issues, is it some how to admit it or suggest it, failing a dog whistle test? is it wrong for her to address

it because people want to view it only as it relates to black people in this country? >> well, i mean, perhaps. i think the oldest question of racism that america has to answer is the question of black people, but there are several questions american have to answer. to me, the more important question is, why did she have to do what she did? not just her, but why does kamala harris or jim clyburn, or any other people that chalamet named when asked whether or not america is a racist country, or has been a racist country, why do we have to lie about it? it doesn't seem to make any sense. it seems to look at things through and unserious lens. she talked about taking the confederate flag down from top of the state house, when she was the governor there. the interesting thing i think about with that, she took that down after the nine people were killed at mother emmanuel. has she done it -- maybe they don't get killed. maybe all those symbols are gone, and those conversations

are had, maybe we can curtail some of this stuff. as long as we are cowards about, it it will never be done. >> some would argue why even take it down if you don't believe its presence is a problem, if you don't believe it connects to certain symbols, and something different as well. on that point, she was pressed by charlamagne on the issue of race. i want you to listen to what she responded later on. >> there is racism in our country. i don't think our country was founded to be racist, i don't. i think that it was meant to be this amazing experiment to see if we could have freedom and democracy in a way all men are created equal -- we are not there yet. >> if you didn't look at all men as equal from the beginning, then the ideology is flawed. >> why do you want kids to hear that they live in a racist country? why can't you tell kids, look, we're not perfect. we have more things to fix. i don't want any child to think

like that. >> here is my issue, and i want you to respond to what you think about this, van. i don't know how telling children the truth about history makes them, somehow, less informed, less educated, and less able to contextualize their own experience? i talk to my daughter, who is only nine years old, about sexism and massage in the, and how that phrase, all men created equal, did not apply to her, let alone as a black girl, of course, at her age, and yet, no one fights the battle when it comes to sexism in the same way in our history. what should her answer have been? >> well, i mean, her answer should have been -- i mean, the notion that america has never been a racist country is absurd , it is the basing a little bit. she is talking about words written by thomas jefferson. well, he allowed his children to live as slaves. i want everyone to wrap their

mind around that, a lot of kids were slaves. he was a huge slave owner. obviously, he didn't mean it. i think we have to get over the feelings of people feeling bad about things, and let them know that there is an opportunity to do better. it is not about living in the past, it is about understanding the past, letting everyone know that if we want a better future, we have to be intentional about how we look at our country. we can't do that by lying to everyone. we don't lie about anything else, we tell everyone who the villains are. we tell them who the villains our world wide, geopolitically. why did we lie about this? i wonder what she hopes to accomplish by giving people a false sense of where america is now and where it has been. >> or, somehow, there is a requirement that you have to lie in order to progress. both can be true, van. you could acknowledges what america has been, and the experiment is not quite over in

the way we talk about our legal systems driving to be, one day, a justice system in this country, and a whole host of things. you know what? that's maybe why i'm not running for president. van wait, and you should consider instead. thank you so much! well let's talk about now, michael singleton who worked for the republican presidential can't grains of -- a former obama white house senior director. i'm so glad you're here. i can't get this out of my head. i mean, in the grand scheme of things, how many times do you think a presidential candidate is prepped on the things that might be an achilles heel? the fact there's not an answer that simply could be as productive as, that is no longer who we want to be, and here is how i can get as there. why is this such the elusive response? >> this idea that calling anything racist, that that word is so much worse than any of the acts we would use to define what racism would be, right?

to be fair, this trips up democratic candidates as well. in the white house, right now, they have not explicitly said, america is racist. i think, the mythology, as you mentioned, who we are, how we were founded, how our experiment is still incomplete, so charlamagne did a smart thing. he pointed to institutions and systems, not the theory of the country. even then, lashawnda that. i would have loved to hear governor haley talk about how these civil rights movement allowed her family, like mine, as south asian immigrants, to come here. our people were considered undesirable up until the civil rights movement made immigration reform happen, right? there is a solidarity she could have found in that with black and other brown people, and she chose not to. >> that is fascinating, in particular. you mentioned governor haley.

i think ambassador haley, because we know the entire world often looks at united states, sometimes, with extraordinary reverence, and other times with, i can't believe what you say because i see what you do. the civil rights era, as we were propelled on this pedestal, and not guarantee the same things for our own society, for other nations, world war ii, for example, world war i. you look at this, and you hear, as a strategist -- i mean, it's not lip service anyone wants. why not just acknowledge a past and pivot towards what you intend to do? >> there is an interesting orthodox within the republican party and conservative movement, generally speaking, as it pertains to race. it's the idea that, if we are constantly talking about this, then you are perpetuating the divide. the idea is, if we move forward, and people will, sort of, unify, or codify the differences will come together in society, and we will get to

the point where there isn't much of a big deal. to, sort, of buck that idea, it's in many ways a betrayal. it is interesting. as a conservative of color, this is what a lot of conservatives of color really experience. you go on one or two routes. you go the route i would probably go into, which is acknowledge the past, talk about what we are experiencing, this is how we should address it. you have many other conservatives of color who aren't willing to do that. for this particular reason, they say, well, the group i negatively belong to, if you are black, south asian, they are skeptical because of my party identification as this. so, if i give them what they want, yeah, they will applaud me. the moment i take a disparate position on another issue, i'm ostracized again. however, the group i have decided to associate with will applaud me. they will accept me as long as i am emboldening these ideas, generally speaking. so, for haley, i don't know if this is conscious or subconscious, but i've had these

conversations with other conservatives of color, who do struggle with, well, should i see something on this particular issue, and to be ostracized? the group will say, well, we are somewhat skeptical. are you really as pure on some of these ideals as you say you are? this is complicated. i'm not trying to excuse it. i think, oftentimes, when we discuss these issues, we just say, well, she should have known better. i don't necessarily disagree. society is complicated. people are complicated. i think we need to unpack this to understand why is she so unwilling to acknowledge what we think should be easy. >> you know what's easier than anything you described? being authentic. number one. i will tell you, and i'm not criticizing you, i'm talking about the mental olympics that has to go, how do i say, who dwight -- i'm confounded by those who ask for an opportunity to lead and don't have -- >> you noticed, laura, that pattern with people of color who happen to be republicans, generally speaking, as a small camp who will say, no, we need to say something about this. there are many others who will

say, you know what? i'm not willing to take that risk. >> there's a whole other camp we welcome you into in the democratic party -- >> hold on -- wait -- [inaudible] i want to get something else. we are -- many might say, god, you are belaboring this discussion about race with nikki haley. others might say, wait a second, why are we only just now getting to her criticisms of trump? she is just now getting to the criticism of trump, and i want to tell you, she was pressed by charles or maine as well. on her critique, and directly taking on trump by charlamagne again. listen to this. >> how can you be looked at as a leader if you look like you are just constantly kissing up to trump, constantly looking like you are a lucky wanting to be his running mate? >> i have never kissed up to trump. i always told him the hard truth, when i was in the administration. the reason we worked together, when he did something good, i worked hard to make america strong. when he did something wrong, i showed up in his office, i called him, i would say, you

can't do this. instead, you could do x, y, z. there were 14 people in this race. i was disciplined and focused. i needed to get the others out. i knew it was going to be him at the end. he was not my focus in the beginning. he is my focus now. >> what is your reaction to that, nayyera? >> she was his ambassador to the united nations, she stood up for every single one of his policies done, including the ones that involve bringing russia into the oval office, and after january 6th, she still defended him. it is now, when politically convenient, she is attacking him. again, i see the politics, and the gymnastics that she is involved in here. the record is the record. she was an ardent supporter of donald trump -- >> it's true. look at this poll, in part. the new polling from quinnipiac, and they show biden beating trump in a hypothetical matchup, because, you know, a poll of say hypothesis, a hypothetical matchup.

haley beating, hypothetical -- sorry. hypothetical. i was trying to throw shade, and it got back to me. that's what happens sometimes. haley, in this hypothetical, beating biden for republican, is that, when you see this, her focus, going -- and then there was one? >> how could it be the focus when you can't get out of the primary? donald trump is going to be the republican nominee whether any of us like it or not. that is a reality. the republican base wants to get him a second opportunity. this goes back to the original question you asked at the top of the segment, about nikki haley and the level of authenticity or in authenticity. this is a yearning -- acceptance or party, i don't believe it's my empirical observation. nikki haley has not found her stride, if you will, as a person of color who happens to be a conservative who is also a member of the republican party. the base may have a disagreement with some of her -- that would be far greater --

authenticity was there. that's why she's not going anywhere. >> she says she's not going anywhere because she is a person to beat -- >> a couple of, weeks i'll give her out of it. >> i can't do anymore best right now. let's double as my focus, thank you very much. apparently, the vagus odds are talking about engagement stories instead of the actual game. nayyera, we will talk off line about taylor and travis. thank you both so much. here is one thing that congress does agree on, wait for it -- regulating social media. the tech ceos, there they are, taking that oath. they were in the hot seat. it was a very hot seat today. they were grilled about the risks of their products for children. so, okay, we heard that. one is the action coming? >> you have blood on your hands. you have a product -- you have a product that is killing people.

these days. and who was the target, the tech ceo. directly in the line of fire. relentlessly questioned, and criticize and lectured by senators about the safety of children. who are using their platforms. >> did you have blood on your hands? you have a product that is killing people. >> well you set up a victims compensation fund with your money? the money you made, on these family sitting behind you? yes or no?

>> your platforms really suck at policing themselves. >> they're not only the tech companies, that have contributed to the prices, but the responsible for many of the dangers they face. >> children are not your priority, children are your product. children you see as a way to make money. >> the leaders of, meductic, top x, snap and discord of course are pushing back against the allegation and they say they spent billions of dollars to protect kids and committed to keep doing so. but the heat didn't relent and it was mark zuckerberg who faced the majority of. it this is the eighth appearance before a congressional hearing. the math achieve apologize to the family saying they were harmed by online content after a grueling by senator josh hawley. >> would you like, now, to apologize to the victims who have been harmed? show them the pictures?

would you like to apologize for what you have done to these good people? [inaudible] -- to make sure that no one has to go through with it. >> joining me, now cnn and media analysts, cher fisher. sarah, it's so good to see you. i have to immediately get your reaction to that turning around, to face families many of whom are holding up school pictures of their kids in frames to show who the actual people there talking about our. how did that moment play? >> i think this is the start of a new trend on capitol hill. because, in the past laura, we've seen these ceos get grilled by lawmakers. and it's them versus the members of congress. and we're bringing the families and the victims in it created a new dynamic.

suddenly, they were not just getting heat from the lawmakers but from the people in the audience who are clapping and cheering for them when they were bashing the tech ceo. so i think in the future that moment is going to prompt members of congress to bring more victims or more witnesses in to spice up these hearings. because at the end of this day this wasn't that sexy of a hearing. it was the same all stuff we've been hearing for many, many. years the only thing that was different is we rarely see a ceo stand up and apologize to families like that. it was a very emotional moment in that hearing. >> well that is the concern for so many of. them i mentioned, the eighth time that zuckerberg has done this, he said okay i've got to be stoic and listen for a period of time. and then the lip service can commence, possibly and there's no real tangible reason to havingout this dynamic there in agreement about regulated social media. maybe not how, but about the concept of. it and they haven't gotten it

yet. >> no, why? >> even though it's a bipartisan agreement and -- at the end of the day, we don't have a budget. a budget needs to get passed. there are so many others, and look at the timeline. we have a new congress that's going to come in next, here it's an election. here they probably have allied to get this done. this is not a true priority. the reason why they're doing this is to call attention to the issues, so they could get more support to pass a collection of bills through. but we have seen the song and dance for time and time again. for the past ten, years we've only had one charles online safety bill that passed. around six trafficking, which is such an extreme issue. there's no reason that shouldn't get past. but i'm skeptical anything's going to get. then because we've been talking about this. and nothing. >> as a mom, i am skeptical. because different parts of your life you've become increasingly aware, of concerned about things that we're going to direct, implicate, and impact your families. and for my kids they're all in. youtube not over social media

because i'm very cautious but a great deal about this but they are exposed to more than i even. no even with being very vigilant. and amy klobuchar, today, heard on her take on this issue. >> when a boeing plane lost a door in midflight several weeks ago nobody questioned the decision to ground a fleet of over 700 planes. so why aren't we taking the same type of decisive action on the danger of these platforms, one we know these kids are dying. >> does she have a point? >> the challenger, lawyer, if you want to have to change laws you're gonna see how you have to replace them with because so many economies are built around the web. for example, there's one law that gives the social media companies protection from liability against the lawsuit for things that are posted on their site. so many members of congress say we have to repeal that law.

that's something you've heard a lot today. what are we going to replace it with? there's no consensus from either party on what we would replace it with, and as a result the internet, we know it completely collapse until the issue here, we can ground planes and you're not gonna show up an entire industry if you grow one fleet. if you change one internet law, and you don't have a replacement think about everything you do online gets shut down. that is why she has a point. but it's harder to do it in real life, in real practice. >> so i must be in part why they have kept the onus, because the social media company it's in a tech company. it's a line beside how they will be punished for the kill. the one area where these bills and these hearings are actually productive, even if the bills won't get past is that a lot of time the tech companies will implement the changes that the bills suggest because of the threat of them. and because it prepares them for these hearings. so, ahead of this hearing today, snapchat and medicine started to introduce changes

that are included in the proposed bill. so the bill itself was actually not passed but it was effective. and from that perspective, we've seen some movements. same thing with political ads, data privacy. so, it can be effective. but again, no law. >> i always invite the audience to weigh in during the show and to instagram about what their comments are and there was one that came in during the show on our conversation just now, sara, and i think it's a rhetorical one. and it was how could there be bipartisan support for child safety online. but not bipartisan support for children who are dying from gun violence? very poignant kristen. and one i wish we had an answer for. sara fischer, thank you so much. ahead, it was a settlement that was supposed to see the nfl make payouts to players suffering from brain this eases linked to concussions. but there's a new investigation from the washington post that says the deal is full. of broken promises.

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have been denied. costing the nfl 1.2 billion dollars to date and that's just scratching the surface of this very extensive report. so, did the settlement live up to expectations? or fall way short? let's discuss the investigated reporter -- will hopson, he is the reporter behind the month long if instigations that broken promises of the nfl concussion settlement. we also had with us, former nfl player, marcus smith the second as well. i'm glad to have you both here. i think you're bringing so much to the table. both of, view we begin with you, will on this piece. because you open the peace. talking about the story of 78 year old rick ross. he's a former nfl player. he was denied help despite dementia and being diagnosed with it by his own doctor, by the way. tell me about why this story is so impactful? >> well, i mean, this settlement was supposed to make hole in the situation for

former players who are dealing with the ways of life within the nfl. and situation like across have pointed out that mr. cross had dementia, he had been diagnosed with dementia by his own doctor. but he didn't have dementia as the settlement defined. it so he didn't qualify for money or medical care that's family thought they should've got. >> how do they def the criteria? i know it's on the screen. but, it talks about what needs to happen, and what the criteria was. and where it comes down to, i think in part, there is a special set of doctors who have determined it. not your own. is that right? >> in the settlement, basically, the nfl, lawyers and players came up with their own way to define dementia which is just a little bit more difficult than how our doctors normally diagnose it in america. there are situations playing out where they get diagnosed with dementia, and they're gonna go through their settlement and they don't meet the criteria because they don't get that much medical care. >> put that back up on the screen, that comparison, i think that's really important for people to see the distinction of what it takes.

so an everyday practice, one or two impaired results in one cognitive care -- category. but for nfl sentimental was at least for impaired test across to cognitive categories. there is a distinction about what that looks. like marcus, let me turn to you. because, you experienced multiple concussions during your time playing. in fact inspire saying symptoms of, the effects of, it even while they were playing. and, you've been an advocate for trying to make sure that the sport is safer, and that people are recognized for what's been going on. what is your reaction to this imbalance? >> i think my reaction is, we have to be more proactive instead of reactions through the football players. even with me dealing with suicide, and also an attempt in 2017 and 18. i think that, going through that, that was a tough time for me and i think a lot of us who

deal with these impairments, we want some sense of peace. we want some sense of. hope, and i think going through that, in the settlement i really truly believe that we should be getting, you know, the compensation all of us should be getting a compensations for. that, so that is kind of how i feel about it. and i think that all football players really feel the same way about that. >> yes, i think it's such an important point you raise about being proactive versus reactive. i know we are very litigious society. and, so oftentimes we get corrective action through lawsuits in class action. but getting ahead of it and having ways to make people whole again, i do want to read for everyone. because the nfl has responded to your report, well. and in a statement they say this. the medical evaluations are performing by independent doctors. their diagnoses are assessed by the independent settlement

administrators. and medical claim reviews are performed by independent medical experts. the nfl plays no role in deciding who oversees an award or the amount of any reward as all claims decisions are made by independent administrators appointed by and responsible to the court. they want that to be known. what's your response? >> i, mean i think that's fair and accurate. i, think from the nfl's perspective, they've actually probably paid off more in the settlement than they've expected to. so they look at the 1.2 billion. for more than 1600 players in the family. and they, think that's more than we thought we were going to spend. but from the perspective from the players, there are another 1100 families out there who feel like they should have compensated, they feel like their loved ones had the exact same conditions as the ones who had been compensated. so i think both things can be true, this could be costing the nfl a lot of money. but there will be lots of families out there who deserve the same money, who are not getting it because of the way the settlement is set up.

>> something tells me that nfl is not hurting for cash. i cannot speak to. it i am just guessing here, although it does take a toll financially on that amount of money. but i'm wondering, marcus, you love the sport. you have been so vocal about it but when i think about my own son and he wants to play football, he's 11. my immediate thought goes to our conversation. it goes to concussions. it goes to injuries. it is their way to make the sport safer? or has the ship sailed? >> i want to say the ship has sailed. i want to say there is a way to make the sport safer, there are things out, they're remedies out there that can actually help football players as all points north it is a place that i went to to actually help my mental help that actually help the cognitive in paris that i was dealing with. even with tms, with trans greening magnetic stimulation that is something that helps football players. so i don't think that is totally out of the question,

but i also do think that as a kid i think that you should wait a certain time limit to play the sport right. because your brain is not really fully developed until you are 26, 27 as a man, right? and so, when you think about the head trauma and hits to the head you want to kind of wait on that. so, their brains can be fully developed before they do that. and, so i want to say it isn't totally out of the question but i see why you have a concern about that. but it's really just about having the education and knowing their stuff out there you can do to actually help you with your cognitive impairments, and your brain help. >> i so appreciate your honesty in. that and recognizing what probably can be done to help. especially with the mental health component. because that is correlated in so many ways and i appreciate you being so forthright about. it really appreciated, well, this in that reporting. because we were wondering whatever happened to this. after following that thread,

really important especially elsewhere going into the super bowl and pro bowl. let's talk about the other side of the sport as well. we'll be right back.

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day five of a historic court case. a michigan mother, on trial for the killings carried out by her son. jennifer crumbley is charged with involuntary manslaughter for her alleged role in her sons eaton's rampage, which left four students dead. and several others wounded. in court today, the prosecutors showed the jury released body cam video of the moment

crumbley and her husband were captured in the destroyed warehouse. four days after the shooting. crumbley and her husband hit out here with more than $6,000 in cash. jurors also hold from a firefighters and a friend of jennifer crumbley who said the two had an affair. days after the rampage, she texted him, quote, i failed as a parent. i failed miserably. and in another exchange, crumbley texted him, quote, we are on the run again. helicopters, not sure where to. i will message you. and now prosecutors allege that crumbley ignored her spiraling son and instead of giving her, help she -- but the defense said crumbley has no idea how much her son was actually struggling. and they blame the school. a big disqualification, and a delayed award. the u.s. figure skating team

getting the gold after two years after the 2022 beijing olympics. two members of the team are going to join me, next.

tonight, a monumental victory after a lengthy two year wait. the u.s. olympic figure skating team is being awarded the gold medal, the 2022 beijing olympic games. that after russian figure skater -- was disqualified over a long running doping

controversy. now she will be spending the international competition through december of 2025. joining me, now figure skating captains and olympic gold medalist madison johnson evan bates. i'm so happy for both of you. congratulations. finally, it has happened. maddison, let me begin with you because team usa finally recognized and are making history now as the first u.s. skating team to grab that gold. how does it feel after all this time? >> it feels truly incredible. and it has been just a blessing to be able to reunite with our team, via text and even some in person to just start celebrating this victory. i am so proud of all the skaters, and i can't wait to celebrate with, then when the real medal ceremony takes place. >> well i'm so proud of the police. i was watching this when it happened and thought, oh my

god, who could be any better than this? and now, evan, the fact that you guys have been hanging in limbo for nearly two years. i, mean patience is one thing. but to have the grace and poise after all that time truly an olympian. what was that we like for you? >> well thanks a lot. i, mean like matty said we're so proud of the way the team mishandled. it's a completely unprecedented event, the first time in olympic history that shi cleanup leads have won a medal, and winners have left empty- handed so i think it's brought a lot of relief for many of us and of course we are overjoyed. i, mean becoming olympic champions, that's what we've always dreamt of since we were kids. >> have you talk to the other seven members of the american team, madison? >> not all of them, yet. but a few of them already. and the general feeling with everyone is just elation and excitement and we just can't wait to be reunited to

celebrate together. >> i can't wait to see that, and you mentioned, evan this concept of course of a clean athlete which frankly should be a play no one has to utter because it's thought to be the case. yet we've seen what has been happening in the sport and. others the russian figure skater is now banned for four years for testing positive for a banned drug. and russia have a history of doping allegations. is enough being done, do you, think now to hold it accountable evan? >> you, know i think this particular case, i think that there is an underlining sense of sadness because we're talking about a 15 year old child here who had an illegal substance in their system. we certainly have empathy for her. the word taught, as u.s. athletes about strict liability when it comes to doping test. from a young age, we know we're 100% responsible for everything that goes into our body. and you, know we're talking about the olympic games here.

so, maintaining that level of playing field for everybody is so important. because it takes a lifetime of work to reach that level. and every clean athlete deserves a right for a gold medal. >> madison, how do you see it? >> i completely agree with evan and it's unprecedented but we are proud and to be in this situation i think it gives the opportunity for a great platform to promote clean athletes. and to show that this is the integrity of the olympic games. and it must be upheld. there is nothing more important than having a level playing field and making sure every athlete has the right to achieve their dreams on that level playing field. >> i mean only on that level playing field do we realize who had to be on the podium. and stand tall, strong as both of you do. and the entire team will. so let's talk about the good

part madison, evan. what will come next? when will you finally get to hold and see those gold medals? do you know? >> we aren't sure exactly when that will be. but we have a dream, an olympic dream. that we will hold the olympic ceremonies. while not we, personally. but the olympic ceremony would be held for us at the paris games, this coming summer. so we could have that olympic moment and be surrounded by our friends and family and the olympic spirit and other athletes. and we are just really hoping that that's how it will pan out. >> well we certainly hope that for all of, you, again so proud america is so proud of the two of you and of the team. thank you so much for delivering gold. two years later, we always had it additionally at the same time as well. evans, madison bates, congratulations to you both. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. >> well as everyone makes it all very proud. thank you all for watching. remember, i will be live on

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