lockdowns. what have you noticed in the years since then, as life has shifted back to more normal, if you wanna put it that way. >> unfortunately, things are really getting better in terms of some of the data. loneliness really has not improved that much. we can break it down in different demographics and see some hope. but young people in particular are really struggling. some people think that's because of the particular age they were when covid hit. the truth is though a lot of these mental health signs that we are going in a negative direction before covid. so we can't really blame it on covid. i think covid exacerbated some of these stresses and isolation that people already were feeling. >> yeah, i mean, clearly, and elmo was the one to bear the brunt of that. doctor, it's a really serious issue to underline this, and thank you for coming on to talk about it. >> thanks for having me, i appreciate it. >> and thank you all for joining us on this busy news night. i'm kaitlan collins, but king charles starts right now, you don't want to miss it.

hey gayle, -- >> hey, mr. barkley. in what i say to people? >> a, is charles barkley. >> you think the super bowl was raked get taylor swift to go to the game? >> [laughter] that is the proper answer. >> what do you think? >> [inaudible] >> are you a taylor swift fan? >> i have friends who are. >> oh, i have friends. [laughter] >> i love the cheese, i like taylor. but i do think it is -- >> she's already made them pretty famous. >> she's made the chiefs famous? >> i think so. i actually asked my brother last week of travis kelce has always been good. >> travis kelce has always been great. >> from the cnn studios in new york city, it's king charles. >> not going to waste your time? >> no. >> with gayle king. >> i'm beyonci, but you can call me gayle. >> and charles barkley. >> on the 11th greatest karaoke singer alive. >> tonight, legendary sports caster bob costas, comedian

harry kane balloon, and political historian -- king charles starts now. >> going in, going in. >> [applause] >> we welcome you to king charles. i'm going to try and get through this hour though because a few moments ago i walked into the glass here at cnn. so my lift is starting to swell a little. >> you look great you look great gayle. >> my lip is swelling a little bit and it hurts to lap so i hope the lip will actually stay intact. and the purse >> -- and the perfect person to hang out with if you don't want to laugh. >> and i had my had to. >> have you ever had a concussion? because i said to shelby, is this a concussion? >> are you doing the show with a concussion? >> i'm asking, how do you know if you -- because i hit it, i'm serious, i hit it very hard. >> come on, listen, you're fine, gail. >> okay, we will foresee. >> i don't even know, because

you're always crazy on the show. how about different -- you crazy again with a concussion. >> i don't know, but my lip is swelling up. but we are going to go. okay, last sunday we all know now who is going to the super bowl. we all know who is going to the super bowl. charles? >> kansas city against the san francisco 49ers. >> okay, so we should be talking about the chiefs and the 49ers i think, the matchups, the snacks will need during the game, the commercials, i love the commercials. but instead, a lot of people are talking about something else. what is wrong, people? >> have you ever wondered why or how she blew up like this? well around four years ago, the pentagon's psychological operations unit fluted turning taylor swift into an asset during a nato meeting. so is swift a front for a covert political agenda? primetime obviously has no evidence. if we did, we would share it. >> it's a coordinated marketing campaign by democrats to leverage celebrities to excite

their base and -- >> why alienate your fans, the swifties? you know, they come across from every political ideology. why put yourself in one area? don't get involved, don't get involved in policy, we don't want to see you there. >> let's not forget that taylor swift has made a career off of writing songs about picking the wrong man. so i don't think we should take advice from her now. >> boy, oh boy, conspiracies, deep state, psyops, you are the biggest professional athlete in the room today, charles barkley . so you know cable news is talking about. this do you think -- i mean, i'm almost embarrassed to ask this question, when you hear that kind of conversation, what do you think? i don't even want to ask the question. what do you think? >> are they serious? like -- >> unfortunately, they are serious. >> you can't even make this stuff up as so stupid nowadays. there is -- first of all, anybody who listens, i'm not going to get political. but any part of this stupidity

should be embarrassed. there is no conspiracy who is going to win games. and listen, i love travis kelce. i'm a big fan of his. and i love taylor swift. but the notion that they got this vast conspiracy, and whoever -- they don't want to endorse somebody for president. that's just stupid. i'm not going to vote for any candidate just because some celebrity said it. but the notion that they've gotten this four years ago, he said four years ago, the pentagon came up with this conspiracy. this is -- -- >> it is maddening to me. >> it's maddening, a great word. >> it is maddening. and i also think this, in order to pull something like that, of so many people would have to be involved in. it makes no. that that's why i'm not knocking another news program, but thank you to do your own due diligence when you listen to all these different things. >> you know for me though -- >> you really do. >> i do, though.

but let me tell you something. i am never going to listen to another taylor swift song again . >> why? >> because she made that dude from the bills missed that field goal. and i bet on the bills. so it's her darn fault. >> you are saying that tongue- in-cheek, we should say. >> about the betting? no, i bet on the bills. no, but the notion that taylor swift made a man miss a field goal. it's just so stupid and asinine. >> i'm very much in favor of travis and taylor, whatever they do. >> do y'all thing. -- missed field goal. >> maybe you shouldn't have bet. here's something i know you're interested in, social media, the takeover of capitol hill. so today, this happened today, the ceos of meta, tiktok, snapshot, x, formerly known as twitter, we all know that, they all appeared before the senate judiciary committee this afternoon to defend social media's impact on your children. so how did it go? here's part of the testimony from today. >> mental health is a complex

issue. and the existing body of scientific work has not shown a causal link between using social media and young people having worst mental health outcomes. >> so that happened, we should say later mark zuckerberg apologized to the families. he apologize only after he was really sort of forced into it by one of the senators, josh hawley, who during questioning said do you have anything to say to these families. what do you think about them being called to capitol hill to testify? >> i have no problem with it if it brings attention. but we are all -- you know you read all the time -- i don't do social media myself, you know that. >> i do. so you're not on twitter, instagram? >> not on anything. >> why? >> because i don't want to bring fools into my life. the negativity, there's a positive to it, i hear there's a positive. >> i think there's a positive to it. >> i don't want to bring anything negative into my life. first of all, mark zuckerberg

talking about i love to meet one day. but you see all the time these kids are committing suicide because something that they've shown on one of these platforms, i think that, number one, the parents deserve some responsibilities. >> yes, they do. >> congress deserves some responsibility. and the companies deserve some responsibility. as we are doing the show, i live in philadelphia during the summer, and i saw some idiot chopped his deads had -- chop his dad's head off. >> it was on social media for a long time. >> for hours. >> i don't look at it. >> either, i don't want to see that. but i'm bothered. there should be things in place if you are racist, sexist, homophobic, any of that stuff, any type of violence, it should be cut off immediately. we are talking to our group that put our stuff together, they are like, no, it was on social media for hours, this guy's head chopped off.

i thought you're a moron if you want to see that. why would you want to see? that but these companies -- actually, i don't blame him for everything. like i say, that's parental guidance, that's important. congress should have been passing laws many many years ago saying, hey, if you show violence, we are going to punish you. now it is too late. you are trying to put the toothpaste back into the tube. >> but i think the companies, charles, could be doing more. >> they should be doing more. >> they traded the situation, i think they can figure out the way to make it better. the problem is there's no guardrails, that's what's so frightening. and that's why the parents are saying look at what is happening to our children. >> we are all complicit. we are all complicit. but the companies are complicit . parents are complicit. there should be many guardrails . >> you've got work to do, america. this is a sophie's choice for the smartphone era. most of us have smartphones. you guys have smartphones. everyone in here as a smartphone. you do have a smartphone. >> i do. >> you know it's not a flip phone, but you're not on social

media. so cds, your company, offering to pay $10,000 if you walk away your smartphone for a month, a digital detox. would you do it? we should say that they will give you a flip phone. >> i would really do it. >> $10,000 for a month? >> yeah, because i'm gonna save money. you know, so many people ask me for money on a given day and giving week. >> but you also told us charles is you walk around with bags of cash. that's crazy. >> because i need it. gayle, i don't know about you, but i get sick and tired of people -- i get 10 to 20 people asking me for money all the time, every day. >> people you know? >> yes, family and friends, and it drives me crazy. it makes me feel bad. so if i could get away from, that i would come out ahead. but because i get frustrated, like, i'm not a bank, i'm not an atm. >> you've never even been to the atm? >> -- >> but you've really never been to the atm? >> i'm never use the atm. >> why, charles?

>> can't get enough money out of it, gayle. >> you sound like an old man that hasn't caught up with the times. >> gayle, i am an old man who hasn't caught up with the times. >> we are talking about a new streaming, new streaming champion for the year of 2023. do you know what's the number one show was on streaming? suits. have you seen suits? >> i love suits. >> i did not see it when it was on. it was the most streams show ever in a single year, with 58 billion minutes, billions with a, b watch. the previous record, by the way, was 57 million. that was set by the office back in 2020. i love suits, i mean, i love the office, i've never seen suits. suits ran from 2011 to 2019 featuring the future duchess of sussex, that's meghan markle. that's why i think it led to the screaming uptick, because i think people wanted -- >> oh, was it? >> i believe people wanted to see meghan on the show. >> there is other people on the

show. >> he says who's the secret to the success of suits? i think it's megan, because listen, i like meghan markle. and we're curious to see what she does. what do you attribute this to? >> i think it was me in harvey, ian harvey on the show. >> please roll the tape. >> harvey, you are right. it's one of the best things i ever had. justin timberlake actually brought me here. >> can't the man just take his clan out to dinner? >> a man can, but you need something. i just to do that little favor. that wasn't fair. it took 15 minutes of pitching with some dip [bleep] from philadelphia, that's not a favor. >> that was an appetizer. i need you get magic, bird, hakeem, and michael to do the same thing. >> you are a funny. got your kidding, right? >> did you ask me if i was kidding you when you called me? >> you asked me to sign with, you and i did. and i also said that i need something from you someday. taking selfies with some dip [bleep] sixers fan it is not going to cut it. >> we need to cheer with this is a loft thing. if, not every single day you go

into the office, he's gonna be trying to -- >> we've seen enough, we've seen enough. if i did not know better, charles, i would say that was artificial intelligence, deepfake. did you really do that? >> first of all, artificial intelligence, we call that at work shaq. first of all, that was my favorite show. and that was gabriel mart. it was so much, fun i flew up -- >> how did that happen? >> they found out. because i talked about it on the show all the time,, they invited me to do a cameo, it was really cool. i had a great time. i got to actually meet meghan. >> oh, you did? >> and everybody, my man -- was on there i had a ball. it was really awesome, one of the coolest experiences of my life. >> so you liked it, and they invite me to come? on >> to do a cameo. >> so were you playing charles barkley? >> yeah, i play charles barkley. the -- was my. you know, toronto is my favorite city in the. world i'm never going to go there again, but to wrap this up -- >> and they speak so highly of

you. but one more thing, how many takes did it take you to do that, plain charles barkley, doing charles barkley? >> you know, when you do a commercial, it takes a little time. i think it took about three hours to shoot that little spot. but was cool, as gabrielle was awesome. >> a round of applause for charles barkley, the actor. >> [applause] >> we have bob costas in the studio tonight, but coming up next, democrats and republicans and congress finally trying to work together on something. but former president donald trump is telling them blow it all up. we'll explain. we'll unpack that with our panel right after the break. you're watching king charles. be right back.

welcome back. it does all seem we can agree on this, we need to come up to some kind of solution for the crisis at the border. you've seen what's happening, there the senate has been negotiating a bipartisan immigration bill. but presidential candidate donald trump has other plans. he has reportedly asked members of his own party to block bipartisan deal and save it as a campaign issue, or requests

that is seen as divisive even among his fellow republicans. >> we have a catastrophe at our southern border. it is because the border has been deliberately opened wide that we see the terrific wars that are taking place across our country right now. mister president, it says very clearly you have all the tools and the executive authority necessary to reverse the catastrophe that you've created. >> i think the border is a very important issue for donald trump . and the fact that he would communicate to republican senators and congress people that he doesn't want us to solve the border problem, because he wants to blame biden for it, is really appalling. >> appalling is a word a lot of people are using. to help us unpack, our political historian and author leah wright rigueur, i love that name. alongside her, hari kondabolu, the new york times called him one of most exciting political comedians in standup.

hello exciting committee and stand up. leah, it's nice to have you. hear what you make of this? it's a bipartisan deal that people say has gone farther than many in the past. and yet, there seems to be a movement to stop hit. >> so i want to know why is the former disgraced president of the united states actually deciding what is going to happen in the house or the senate? and i think it is a deeply cynical strategy. it's ugly, chaotic. and it's actually -- i know that trump is thinking that this is going to be his issue. the majority of people who are maga our with trump because the immigration issue. but it's also muddying the waters. it's also dragging out the crisis. it's ensuring that money for ukraine, this vital money for ukraine, doesn't end up in ukraine. and i think it's actually going to backfire. i think that democrats have an opportunity to show that, look, it's republicans again. no ideas, just want to stonewall.

as the president influencing the party, because this is his party, this is who he is. >> to me, i'm not even disappointed with trump. because trump is going to trump. that's just inevitable. for me, it's more about biden and this plan to begin with. this plan does not do anything for dreamers. it does not do anything with regards to pathway to citizenship. it allows the president to close up the border, not arbitrarily, but still, that's a hell of a power. and, still it's doing something that trump would want to do. and the only reason we elected this ancient man was so he could not beat donald trump. and he's decided to beat trump white. and that is the last thing any of us want. like, he's dividing a base. for all these political points he's winning, he's not winning them on the left, between this, between what's happening in gaza. he's losing a lot of the left. i think he's assuming that he's going to get all these middle of the road voters, which i don't think is a guarantee.

>> and they don't exist. that's the really important -- >> who doesn't? exhibits >> that middle of the road, medical independents who don't vote republican, don't vote democrat. that's not true. what we have in this country is people who may say their independent, but they either vote republican or democrat. >> number one, i want to thank senator romney for actually saying the right thing. that we need to do something about immigration. we are watching a story earlier about people living on the bridge in colorado, you know -- >> possibly freezing to death. >> but i want to take it back on something you just said, these politicians, they are afraid of trump space. so they've got to go back to their state and run for office. that's why they're afraid. this dude has so much power over the maga group, these politicians are afraid. >> even though they disagree with them, charles? >> because they have to go back to their state and win their election. and that is what they are afraid

have. i'm so proud -- i mean, romney is retired. but it the eat has the courage to stand up and say we need to fix our immigration thing right now, to push, it to kick the can down the road and wait another month, two, three, four, six, it just makes things even worse. but i'm glad it did have the courage to say it, because it's appalling. and this is a serious issue. >> it's only getting worse? >> it's only gonna get worse, if we keep pushing him to kick the can down the line. this dude has so much power, these politicians. and some of these guys are cowards, to be honest with you, because some of the stuff he said about them, their wives, their families, you know -- >> and are now supporting him? >> we had that conversation last week. listen, i don't mind having different opinions from people. but if you are going to get personal, i'm not endorsing you. and that lets me know that they are cowards. >> what do you think? i'm curious for your thoughts about how donald trump handles nikki haley and his language that he uses to describe her

and how he's taken her -- we have a soundbite, all right. listen, will play it for you. >> you think trump mocking your birth name was racist? >> i think we can let other people decide that. if you look at it and it's kind of like the tim scott you sleep with yourself. we'll let donald trump say it all he wants. >> i'm pretending i'm sipping tea right now. >> [laughter] >> how does that tea taste, hari? >> bitter. it just feels like she almost deserves what she gets for the situation. >> what do you mean? >> right, it's clearly racist. it's a loud dog whistle. it's a dog scream. >> it's not subtle. >> it's a megaphone. >> you're saying nimarata, then having people laugh. it's just short of and she smells like curry. it's middle school bullying. and instead of standing up to yourself, it's my name is nimarata, i'm proud of it, i have no issue with it.

and what you are doing is races. she's not going to do that, because she does not want to lose the racist demographic. that is what she's fighting for. because if she uses the r-word, racism, then it's done. she is going to alienate so many people. she doesn't want to lose those people. what are you fighting for, at nine? >> so it's funny, number one, you're one at a percent correct. number one, she should have said that so simple, yes, it was races. but i actually love what you said. because when she went back, go back a couple weeks ago, when she said she doesn't believe america was ever racist. she was trying to -- >> that was unfortunate. >> first of all, that was unfortunate and stupid for her to say. but it really bothered -- what really bothered me the most was she was trying to reach his base. and that's what really bothered me more than anything. because she's like, i'm trying to appeal to his voters, that's why she said america has never been racist. that bothered me more than anything. >> so you don't like how she's handling it?

>> no! i don't like how she's handling it at all. it doesn't show respect, dignity, for yourself, if anything. and for me, it's like we finally got rid of bobby jindal, and i have to deal with this. >> also, can we talk about the environment where she said this. she's on the breakfast club, which everyone knows -- >> charlamagne tha god, dj -- >> and the demographic, the target demographic of the breakfast club is urban audiences and or african american black minority listeners. so that was the perfect opportunity to come on and say, actually, you know what, it was racist. >> so you guys don't think she's in a tough spot in terms of she doesn't want -- she still needs those voters, she still needs those voters, so she's trying to straddle both sides, it seems. >> but at the end of the day, candidates get elected because it who you think they are. but we don't know who she is. because if he's not even going to stand up for herself there, who are you? what do you stand for?

when you're in these situations and you find a way to talk around them as opposed to answering them, well, i don't know who you are. at least with trump, you know who he is. >> thank you very much. we've got legendary sports broadcaster, you know, bob costas is here, so i'm in the hallway before i walked into the wall. we are going to ask him everything about the super bowl, super couples, and some unbelievable stories about one of the most -- the host of the show. i wonder what that is. you gassed. we'll be right back.

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love -- with us now, is a legend among legends, you could say, bob costas is here. he's host of -- nfl, nba, mlb, golf, 12 olympics and so much more. and he's won -- how many awards has this man, one charles? >> that's got to be a misprint. it's a 28. >> -- >> that actually is a misprint. >> -- >> not supposed to know that, but i do, because i've heard it. >> i used to hate you. >> why? >> that's his way of saying welcome to the show, bob. >> no, this is actually true. ernie johnson was in the same category with bob. >> oh, yeah. >> oh. >> -- it's all right, ernie. >> eventually, bernie won a handful himself. and he deserves every one of them. he is terrific. >> but just reading the stuff you cover, it's just amazing. amazing. >> because it's so many different kinds of sports.

>> we can also say he's a truth teller, because when bob costas sat down on the seat -- can i get a close-up shot of my face? he goes, guy, that thing is getting bigger. look. it's getting bigger as -- i said, we are going to try to make it through the hour, and hopefully it won't get so big. but the first thing you said, yeah, that thing is getting bigger. and guess what, bob it, hurts. >> does it hurt? >> we are glad you are here. we want to talk about the super bowl and -- >> i think the chiefs now, it can safely be said, our americas team. the dallas cowboys have had that moniker for a long time. there is still a glamour franchise, but have not been to the super bowl since the mid 90s. >> for a hot minute they were saying detroit is america's team. for a hot minute. >> sentimentally, yeah. that would have been a sentimental favorite if they got to the super bowl. it would have been a great storyline storyline. the 49ers are a storyline as well. but now the chiefs have been for the last five super bowls. and the best quarterback in the game, even though -- a really good. he's exciting, he improvises,

he's charismatic. they've got him. andy reid has been a long around a long time, went to the super bowl with philadelphia, and now with the chiefs. they've got travis kelce and his romance with taylor swift. he was a big deal to begin with -- plus the state farm commercials. >> yes. >> you don't have to know a screen pass from a field goal to know something about the kansas city chiefs. so -- >> -- taking a picture of travis kelce with them, saying they want to travel this travis kelce haircut, because they think that will help them get more dates? what do you think? >> provided they are six foot five inches, ripped, and are headed to the hall of fame in canton, i think they will do well romantically, getting a matchup across the board, with a haircut on top of. it >> i actually saw that on inside edition. it's like, there is a new craze going on in barbershops. they are bringing in pictures of travis. i said, you've got to be kidding kidding me. that's not a -- catch a touchdown will help you meet women, just getting a haircut won't do. it >> but people are captivated by

this love story. what do you make of it? i just think it's great. >> i don't trust him to understand the people have a problem with it. you know, in the nba, chuck, when jack nicholson was courtside for the showtime lakers, they took shots of him all the time. when the yankees were doing great in the 90s, early 2000s, jerry seinfeld would be at the game, sitting with chris rock. it's part of the scene. and you know, the new york times had a piece the other day, where they actually timed how many seconds per game taylor swift is on camera. it is not that much. a football -- game >> they are not covering, they're taking it when there is a play ball on. it >> they are taking her reactions to certain things. but you also see the reactions. drunken guys with no shirt on when it stand agrees below zero. and you are supposed to -- be by that, i'd rather look at taylor swift. >> i will say, i watched the tape, where the fans are screaming at her. if you are screaming at her because your team lost i -- >> was screaming negatively about her? >> oh, yeah. >> what were they saying?

>> you -- football. >> please, please. >> i'm just saying, if you are screaming at taylor swift, saying she ruined football, you are just a loser. you are a loser or jack asked. you can be a or b. >> one of the two. >> when it comes to the super bowl were a lot of people who don't watch football all year long double the audience even at the conference championship games. part of that is the halftime entertainment and a huge part of it is the commercials and so for people all of a sudden because they don't like something about taylor swift, either they don't like the chiefs, or they have in for that taylor swift might not be a trumper, and then they are annoyed by taylor swift. i can guarantee you that all this news on fox news would not be happening if she was wearing a maga hat. they would love it. >> but look at all the new people she's brought to the nfl. you see young teen girls now watching football. >> and it's hard to imagine the super bowl could have a larger rating. but it is small percentage, it may even up that. in terms of merchandise sales, the travis kelce jerseys and

all the, rest and the attention to regular season games the nfl reign supreme, not only over sports, but overall of american entertainment. and in a fractionalizing verse, it's the only thing that consistently aggregates huge audiences, like 90 of the top 100 rated television shows in a given year are football games, almost all of them nfl games. and you would think they could not improve on that. but now they've tapped into another demographic. >> one thing that really warmed my heart -- i've seen a bunch of dads watching the game with their daughters. >> yes. >> and i was like, if you can't be happy because, as a man, we are always trying to spin times with our -- daughters, they're the most important thing in the world. and these young girls, like, dad, what's a screen pass? with pass interference? >> i'm sitting there, like -- >> what's their wide receiver, a tight end. >> a tight end, they want to know. because that's travis. >> -- power couple that brings all this together, this big

before? >> no, because you've got all the elements. the popularity of football. the fact that the game is on television. the chiefs have -- and on an international level you had victoria and david beckham. from soccer world. just invert lander is married to kate upton, and justin very landers headed to the hall of fame as a pitcher. way back when the original one was probably joe dimaggio and -- >> whoa, whoa. >> when they got together, and where -- joe dimaggio's playing career -- plus it was a, black and white world and -- you didn't have all the gossip and -- >> she can write a great -- >> also, if not the fact there, this was the summer of her and beyonci. >> yes. >> you went to both concerts. >> yes, i did. this summer, from an entertainment standpoint, there was nothing in the world happening more important entertainment wise then taylor swift and beyonci. it was a summer of women. >> bob costas, we don't want

you to. when we're going to take a break. >> i can do this intense atkins because all never -- >> won mississippi, to mississippi. you are welcome. >> -- comes back from a goodwill toward during a three and one to korea. and she gets off the plane and joe dimaggio greets her. and she, says joe, you've never heard such cheering. and he's a terse man. he said -- >> i like that,. >> bob is going to stick with us. we will be right back. that's good.

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charles barkley is a great, great player. but michael jordan is in a class by himself. clearly superior to anybody else in the league. >> [laughter] have another drink, bob. i would never say another player is better than me. never. >> wow. wow. >> we are back with sports second most iconic power couple, bob costas is still here. i love looking at that old video of, you charles. >> i love that. and i meant every word. >> no, and that's not -- >> it sounds a little arrogant, though. i have to say. sounds a little arrogant. there is no great player who is not arrogant or overconfidence, who -- first of all, you can never be great at sports if you don't think you are better than everybody else. that's -- >> do you think that's true, bob? >> yes. yes. some guys don't wear it on their sleeves. but the great ones have to believe that -- >> they are better than

everyone else? >> yes. in this night, or in this match that i am at least the equal of this guy. >> gayle, i got to play against bird magic, kareem, car malone. there's no way i can look myself in the mirror and -- know. first of all -- >> what about, i'm just as good, or we are as equal, as opposed to i'm better than. i don't know, that descends -- >> we are not out here trying to be equal. you are trying to be better than people, gayle. >> that was 31 years ago. -- >> -- >> the bulls against the suns, and one game interval overtime in chicago and charles had like 56 that night in 25 rebounds. so he was one of the -- >> was he good. >> he was darn. good >> google me. >> i think i do need to. because i said walking with charles barkley what did i say you were power bar? >> -- >> you did. you did. >> excuse -- me >> hanging with gayle has been

really humbling for me. she called me a power guard one day and last week this girl took a picture and said, yeah, i just sent a picture of gayle king some dude. >> and some dude. >> she sent it to her mother and said that's not some dude, that's the great charles barkley. but he said, no, i was a power forward. >> yes, he was. and at 6 foot 5 inches might have only been 6 foot 4 inches, was -- 6 foot 8 -- he was the round mountain of rebounds. >> i've got to get a crack staff on these notes and put that in there. >> by the way, you've got to have so much fun, though. i'm at a game in the late 80s and he's playing with the 76ers. i'm playing with ahmaud rashaad, actually a baseline, sideline, away from the -- and for some reason, mike tyson shows up, and the issues are taking him down the seats, and around the court, and they're going to see them next to me and ahmaud rashaad, as it happens. he passes under the basket, along the baseline. the ball goes out of bounds and

charles saves it inbounds and now the sixers are going back the other way. but now he's face to face with mike tyson. and he stopped and shakes tyson's hand and talk to him. >> on the court? >> no, not on the court. but on the other end of the basket. >> he just enjoying himself. >> i'm a big boxing, fan gayle. >> oh, my god. >> you see? >> there are 2 other people do that. >> and there's a reason for that. when you just said he -- >> 56, in that game. >> lately, we've been seeing all these guys scoring, lucas, and -- joel embiid, 73 points, giannis, 64. devin booker, 62. carl anthony towns in, 62. what you guys make of these high scoring games? >> their lines down the 3 pointer, which used to be a punctuation, and now it's a strategy. a disappointed disproportionate -- are threes and the mid-range jumper you don't see as much anymore and defenses are different now. michael jordan's last game, the epic closing shot against utah, the final score in that game is

87-86. the last game of the 98 finals. and he scored 45. 45 out of 87 is a different thing than what is the norm now. the average game is probably 20 points higher than it was -- >> do you think it's the 3 pointer as well? the -- >> first and foremost, also, these millennials have ruined my games. >> so? >> it's become a 3-point shooting contest. you can play defense. it's college similar what's happened to the nfl. you just are going to throw the ball, 34-50 times a game. you can't play any defense on the wide receivers. now you go back and, look i guarantee you, there is 10-15 points difference in scoring from the 70s, 80s to the 2020's, in football. it's the same thing in basketball and become a 3-point shooting contest. steve steph curry has been going crazy about this too. you can't play defense anymore. >> but charles, you are not drinking a little blast of hater radar? you these guys everyone my game? that sounds like the old man

who is still saying, when i used to play. >> no, anytime he said it, that's what they used to say, the old guys. but -- the 3-point shots and free throws. that's the reason score is going through the roof. you can just sit here and say, players are -- >> they are not better players? >> they've been michael jordan? are they better than magic johnson? are they better than -- there's nobody ever -- listen, as much as i love lebron. >> yes, we do. >> and kobe bryant, that's -- >> yes, we do. these guys aren't as good. lebron is not on that list. kobe bryant is not on that list and -- >> only scored 81. >> he did. he didn't rely on the 3. and he was shooting threes. he had 102. maybe. >> maybe. >> between defense and 3-point shots, free throws, that is the reason guys are scoring. hey, with respect for all these guys, great players. but all of a sudden, everybody in the nba, every night, 120, 5- 120.

these teams ain't that good. you have seen the -- and the pistols play. that's -- 125 points. ever. >> i don't know. it sounds like hate gatorade -- and you still admire the work that they do. and -- >> i admire. >> and love the game. it's given me -- i love the game, gayle. >> don't go anywhere. king charles returns. mr. hateorade sticks around. we will be right back. [applause]

that'll do it for us. have my lips gotten bigger? >> no. >> i'm rushing to the airport, i've got to catch a flight in 45 minutes. will she make it? she will! we thank you for watching. we'll be back in two weeks on valentine's day, 10:00 -- >> have fun at the grammys, gayle! have fun at the grammys! >> valentine's day, two weeks. i wear a size ten shoe, ten 10- 12 dress, do without you. will you can catch me on cbs morning 7 o'clock, and right now i'm going to the airports and i will not be there tomorrow morning. abby philip will be right here tomorrow night at 10 o'clock and don't go anywhere because

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