the news continues, the source with kaitlan collins starts now. >> tonight, straight from the, source breaking news as trump's longtime money man alec weisselberg is now in talks to

plead guilty again. this time, for allegedly lying on the witness stand and trump's civil fraud trial. another landmark trial we have watched, today the mother of the michigan school shooter ethan crumbley took the stand in her own defense. she said she did not know her son was in danger, despite the many warning signs. and a -- defensive near lloyd austin faced reporters for the first time since the secret hospital stay apologizing for not telling the president, saying, quote i did not handle this right. i'm kaitlan collins, and this is the source. tonight, the man who spent decades helping run donald trump's family business allen weisselberg could be on the verge of pleading guilty for the second time. this, time to a -- charge we are told. the 76 world was the chief financial officer of the trump organization for decades, he

went to jail at rikers for about 100 days last year. that was for his role in running a 15-year tax fraud scheme at the trump organization. now tonight, there is new reporting from the new york times confirmed by cnn that weisselberg was in talks to potentially plead guilty to a perjury charge, this time related to trump's civil fraud trial, we are, he island whistle burke, would have to admit that he lied on the stand during his own testimony. the timing here is also key as we are learning more about this new reporting. right now we are waiting on the judge in this case to decide what the penalty is, essentially, how much donald trump owes, a, reminder the attorney general in closing arguments asked for a north of 300 and $70 million in a ruling that could threaten trump's entire real estate empire. i'm joined tonight by the senior editor and forbes daniel alexander who is the guest on the story because of his reporting that exposed was the works alleged lies under oath on the stand.

then, when you look, at this and we don't know i should know which statement exactly it is that could potentially go towards this perjury charge, if he does plead guilty here, but you noted in your reporting that there were emails and notes from him that are believed to be the center, over this what did you pick up on? and what did you believe he lied about as he was trying to distance himself from the financial statements? >> yes, remember the child was -- lying about his, net worth one of the things he examined thin that is that trump was claiming that his penthouse was 30,000 square, feet when in fact it was 10,996 square feet. allen weisselberg was on the stand and is trying to explain that he really had nothing to do with this. as he was making that claim, it was obvious to me that he was lying. i went back to our, notes and i could check years of conversations that he had had with our reporters, where he was really focused on the

penthouse, where he was trying to claim that it was 30,000 square feet, we're 33,000 square feet at one point donald trump add it. he was trying to claim that it was wildly overvalued. so this is clear documented stuff that you could say, he is claiming one number, lockett showing another, number it was lying. >> you noted in that story you had documents that prosecutors didn't. did you hear from their office after that? >> so, their office did go back and look through documents, the trump organization tried to do an initial forensic look, they put some paperwork in the docket about that. they did not come after us or anything, but everything we had is out there, we released tapes of trump lying about the size of his penthouse, but out some notes of weisselberg's conversations over the years,

all of this stuff has all been laid out. >> a remarkable piece of journalism. dan alexander, thank you for that. for more on this breaking story, we have former federal prosecutor elie honig here as well. ali, you heard what dana, said this is a ground breaking article that pretty flatly stated that allen whistle berg -- all of this is coming as judge engoron has not decided yet. he said my mid january, obviously that was, yesterday wasn't definitive, but could that play a role what we haven't heard yet? >> absolutely, if i was judging run getting ready to issue a, verdict now i hear this and we have all heard, it that one of the key witnesses committed perjury in front of me. i slam on the brakes, i say i'm not going to rule until i know the specifics of this. i think it is likely the judge probably discredited allen weisselberg's testimony anyway because it was contradicted by so many of the facts as dan just laid out, but you have to know this as a judge, if you are going to issue a ruling and it turns out a, light that will

issue -- that will harm the trump organization when it comes time for the verdict. >> how can a vote for donald trump himself. >> it is a problem for donald trump, because he is going to be on the receiving end of this verdict. it is important there is an important detail in the reporting, that weisselberg still he is working on, or towards with prosecutors, it does not necessarily involve allen weisselberg cooperating against donald trump. that is not surprise me. this guy is not in a position to cooperate. i have cooperated with bad guys, but the problem is when you have a, liar multiple times convicted if he takes, this you cannot put that person on the stand and ask the jury to believe. >> also, allen weisselberg fiercely loyal to donald trump i should, note but one thing we forget about the new york times noted, tonight he got a 2 million dollar severance package that required him not to cooperate with any law enforcement investigation unless he was legally required. >> that was stunning to me. i have never heard of such a thing. i don't think that is enforceable to say you won't cooperate with law enforcement, certainly undermines what prosecutors are trying to do. unless legally required, that

means a subpoena for tyler, anything but that is a shocking detail to put into a severance agreement. in addition to the amount. so there clearly, trump and his people are trying to keep weisselberg in the fold here, i think because they are worried. >> i should, note he is not actually agree to this, yet it is just in talks to potentially do so. it could -- other plead else. elie honig, thank you, he would be a great witness on the stand, i do want to turn now to conservative attorney and one of donald trump's fiercest critics to anyone who watches the source would, know george conway is here. george, if this does come to fruition, if both guilty pleas he was lying on donald trump's behalf, would it not? >> it is actually not surprising. that is what donald trump dose to people. we have seen numerous circumstances where trump has gotten people to, lie or obstruct justice, or perform illegal acts to protect him.

even sometimes when he hasn't asked them, to they understand what he wants them to do. you see all these people indicted, including his own chief of staff at the white house, and in georgia, we have seen michael cohen, we have seen weisselberg previously. it is just donald trump is just a cloud of deception. he creates a culture of lying and deception, and illegality everywhere he goes. if you are so shaded with, him you have to be very careful. you are taking a risk. there are lawyers who are losing their license, or threatened with losing their licenses for defending him. and it just, it never ever stops with him. he expects people to do illegal things for him. >> here's what i am confused, by allen weisselberg was in jail for 100 days in rikers just one year ago. he went from beginning of 2023.

he testified on the stand after that. if there were emails and documents to back up, or to contradict what he was saying, why would he lie? >> it is just beyond me. i think he is doing it because he wants to protect his, boss or doesn't want his boss to get mad at him. he doesn't want retribution from his boss. these, are the people who worked for donald trump are kind of like abused family members in some ways, they shudder at the thought of displeasing him. they are afraid of retaliation. they're instinctively and up doing the wrong thing because that is what donald trump expects them to do. >> the district attorney in manhattan alvin bragg maybe the only person to bring a case against trump this year. we do not know what will happen with the other indictments, but we know that trump's team is focused on slowing them down. could something like this strengthen his hand, rags hand

going into that trial? >> i think indirectly. this does not directly impact the charges that are involved in the case of the eight bragg has brought. that is the falsification of documents relating to the hush money that donald trump paid for michael cohen to stormy daniels the star. so this does not directly relate to that. but i think it is an important warning to any witness who is called to testify in that, case on either side, that they ifhey lie, then you, know they could end up like weisselberg rikers or someplace unpleasant like that. >> it is a remarkable development in the story. george conway, thank you for that. we don't know what is going to happen here with, is whether or not he is taking, it but big, picture how do you see it? >> i think he makes a good point, i think this actually will tie trump's hands a bit at the manhattan d.a. trial. because if they were planning on calling allen weisselberg to

say for example, donald trump had nothing to do with away these hush money payments were locked, it was me, the cfo, michael cohen the storminess, he can't do that now. he's neutralized. >> it could deny trump a potentially helpful witness? >> exactly, it takes on an oil bird off the table as a potential defense witness. like i said before, in a calling as a prosecutor, the guys who would have at least one conviction, probably two for perjury if he takes this plea. but it also means he can't come in as a surprise witness to try and take the case in trump's favor. >> yes, it is remarkable, we will see what happens here, elie honig, to everyone here, tonight thank you for joining us on that breaking news. ahead, we also witnessed historic testimony of a different kind today. the mother of the michigan school shooter ethan, she took the stand in her own defense. prosecutors trying to hold her accountable for her son's murders. also tonight, we have a one-on- one interview with the united auto workers president sean, you spent the day with president biden and has some key words about what he is

unions endorsement could mean, and why any other unions considering backing trump what it could mean for them.

for the first time since the murders of four students oxford highschoolers 2021, the deadliest school shooting i should know in michigan's

history, we just heard directly from the mother of their killer in a historic manslaughter trial that is underway right now. this is 45-year-old jennifer, she took the stand today in her own defense. it is the first of its kind case, and could set a precedent for whether parents can be found criminally also culpable for their children's crimes. ethan crumbley was a 15 at the time of the attack. he was sentenced last year to life in prison without parole and tried as an adult i should note. the prosecution is arguing, his mother and father will also soon be tried as well, are also responsible for the murders that happened that day. jennifer crumbley is accused of gross negligence, including for failing to get worse on the mental health treatment he needed, despite many warning signs, warning signs that she argued today she didn't see. that includes disturbing texts that we saw that buyer, sun journal, entries violent drawings as well. some of those were shown in

court today, including one where ethan crumbley had written, i quote from now, i had zero help from my mental problems, it is causing me to shoot up the school. another chilling one that said, i want, help but my parents won't listen to me. prosecutors offer evidence which they argue -- she did know about what her plan to do. this is what you said when she was questioned from her own attorney. >> are you a failure as a parent? >> i do not think i'm a failure as a parent. at the time, i guess i did not see, i felt bad that ethan was sat at those things. i guess i just feel like i failed somewhere. >> did you know, or did you have reason to know your son was a danger to anyone else? >> no, as a parent you spend your whole life trying to protect your child from other dangers, you never would think

to protect your child from home of somebody else. >> not a failure, and no signs of danger, she insists. listen to her answer when she was asked, does she wish she had done anything differently? >> no, i don't. of course, i look back after this all happened, and i've asked myself to do anything differently, i wouldn't know. >> a remarkable moment only on day one. joining me now tonight, criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor -- and attorney and legal affairs commentator -- thank you for both for being here. i'm glad for both your legal lines on this. when you listen to jennifer crumbley, as her attorneys were asking her these questions today talking about her parenting and that they, do you think it helped her case what you heard? >> yes, i don't think that statement where she says she wouldn't have done anything differently helped her at all.

she spent most of the time on the witness stand today trying to explain why the jurist shouldn't believe the liberal interpretation of those text messages, those very damning text messages, particularly as it relates to the text messages about her son seeing people in their, home or perhaps hallucinating. she tried to give this story that if they play some game in the house about ghost, and that this was all a part of a larger prank. i think it is going to be difficult for the jurors to accept that this mother who according to the prosecutors spent more time interested with horses, or spending more time on her horses than she did with her child. now obviously bad parenting isn't a crime, but when you look at the warning signs that were there, the flashing warning signs, and the lack of response or his pants, i think jurors will have to grapple with her testimony. they may determine that she did

not do everything she could to prevent these horrific murders from happening. >> well mark, to pick up on, that where is the line of bad parenting and negligence? >> so we are about to find out with this case. we know it is on a spectrum. if you did not spend all the time at home, where the child is not getting a,'s is that bad parenting. no. if he is not -- and no signs of danger show up you mention what is there, the ignorance of some of these text she had to be aware, even some of that which came in the evidence that support the idea she knew or should have known better, at some point it is leading towards the ending of a spectrum the city as to give this jury to, that is that all will be willful blindness, the true lack of care about what was going on, and i think she helped herself a bit with that,

in this, case the first hour upon humanizing, her her relationship with her son, that was all great. but the defense, i don't think they did a great enough job acknowledging what she did wrong. i will tell, you in my opinion, the answer to that question should have been i would have done anything different knowing now what the result was rather than the -- she kept going back to her husband, seeming to pin blame on him and they're having separate separate trials. one moment she was asking about the gun itself, who handled the gun itself. and this is what she told the court. >> and who is responsible for -- >> responsible for that role -- >> i just didn't feel comfortable and i let him

handle that. >> you think that's a strategy? >> i think that's a very damning response. picking up on what mark said, this mother wants you to believe that everybody but her is responsible. it's the husbands, fault it's the school's fault. and if you are not comfortable with -- as a parent, why were guns in your home. you can't advocate your responsibility as a mother to a father. she had an equal responsibility to make sure her son did not have access to a gun. some of her testimony throughout the day was she, didn't know where the gun was, she did not know where the lock to the cable was. she talked about it being in a beer stein, maybe in the kitchen. she wasn't sure. and i know jurors are sitting there thinking, you have a 15 year old that bought a gun that you and your husband bought a gun for for christmas. now, you may not have walked into the store but as the parent you are equally responsible. >> it just all comes down to not just what happened before that day, marked, but also that

day in the meeting, with the school counselor that happened. the morning of the shooting, we are she was contradicting the prosecution, and how they frame this, which is that, essentially, she just kind of downplayed it more than -- the emphasis they put on. it but how does a jury see that, that there is a meeting with the parents, with the school counselor, over concerns over a drawing from the 15 year old at the time. >> no question half of those jurors -- you have to be aware and looking for those nuances of how your child is doing. when she walks into a meeting, and as shown that type of evidence, that type of information, the idea that she would not have done anything other than take care of a child as -- or she downplayed it, or i know he's depressed but i don't think he was just -- it was just him acting out. right now, that jury is going to go back in that room, and

say, is she a grossly negligent parent. i think most of what she was doing today, in the lack of rcep didn't acceptance of responsibility is feeding into the prosecution case. we are going to hear about that in closing argument. and we are really going to hear about it in cross-examination tomorrow. >> yeah, and that starts tomorrow. we will honestly be watching it closely. i know you will, to mark and -- thank you both for joining tonight. >> thank you, kaitlan collins. >> up next, president biden returns to stay critical to his 2021, but he's now facing backlash from michigan's arab american voters as he's courting big labor unions. joined by the head of the united auto workers, who has endorsed them and -- shawn fain is next.

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president biden addressing the surge in violence against palestinians in the west bank, with a new executive order that he issued today, imposing sanctions on four israeli settlers accused of assaulting palestinian civilians who live there. for years palestinian west bank residents have faced violence from the israeli settlers, but it's hit record level since the october 7th hamas terror attack. this order today comes as president biden was on his way to michigan, home, should, note to the nation's largest concentration of arab and muslim americans, many of whom are furious and starting to withhold their support come november over the approach the president biden has taken to the war in gaza. cnn's chief national affairs correspondent jeff zeleny joins me now. jeff, you have been in michigan where biden was today, meeting with autoworkers, i should note. but you've been talking to

voters. what did you say about his visit? >> kaitlan collins, the presidents visit clearly was a bit of a safe harbor, going to that uaw hala and worn michigan surrounding himself with the -- but the concern here for many democrats and frankly some supporters of the president is what is he doing to try to win over those who are concerned and, frankly, not supporters now. so, what the president did not do here today is he spent several hours on the ground here was try to neutralize the anger and -- arab american community here which is so significant to his coalition he won with but we see that and some time talking to voters including someone who worked for president biden last time and he was a field organizer in his campaign i was campaigning against president biden. >> -- herb american, says muslim american, says minority communities who are national 14 biden that we are the reason we are going to get another four years of donald trump. the reality is that joe biden

is the reason we are going to get another four years of donald trump. >> there is nothing that president biden of the administration could do at this point to change your mind? >> there's nothing. it's 30,000 lives too late. >> and we know that white house officials in the coming weeks are expected to come and meet here with some arab american and muslim leaders here in dearborn, michigan. but that did not happen today with the president. he signed that executive order. the first step, i'm told, in trying to neutralize some of the sanger. but kaitlan collins, the geography of this visit today so interesting. the president chose to go to macomb county, just north of detroit and of course that is the home of the reagan democrats, were so many working class voters became republicans. now they are trump voters as well here. so the president stay there in much safer terrain of course between now and november, will have campaign in other places, perhaps in -- as well. kaitlan collins? >> key votes he will need. jeff zeleny on the ground in michigan. thank you for that.

joining me now is to united auto workers president, shawn fain. it's great to have you here, mr. feign. you said recently that you believe the majority of your members would not actually end up voting for president biden in november what does that breakdown actually look like and what are you hearing from these members? >> first of all thanks to having me, caitlin collins. and look, i am very confident and overwhelming majority of our members will vote for president biden in the upcoming election. with the especially just given the stark contrast, the one thing we have done throughout my presidency is we deal with facts, and with our contract campaign in the big three, with that fight, and the strikes, we put the facts out there. and when you look at the facts in this presidential election, with the two leading candidates, you could not have more stark contrast. you have president biden, who m others and standing with workers and with the working

class and you have president trump, who has a lifetime of serving himself and standing against everything the working class is for. he serves the billionaire class. and so it is -- when you look at the track record of the two and the body of work they've done, particularly with auto in particular, it is a simple decision for us on where we think it should go. >> okay. so, you actually think the reverse? you think of majority will vote for president biden, not for trump if he's the nominee? >> yeah, oh yes. by far. >> okay. >> the majority will vote for president biden. actually, when i was interviewing the other day on that, when i'm going back and forth, it was a misstatement. >> okay, that's great. i'm glad we got you to clarify that. because i do think that's really important and you are talking to these workers all the time. you are in michigan with president biden today, and one thing i noticed, obviously, as a former white house reporter, the white house and the campaign kept the specific details of where the -- private, as you know he's been

encountering a lot of protest when he is out on the road over his stance in the israel-hamas war. you've called for a cease-fire. did you and president biden talk about that today? what did you say to him? >> i've always -- we've spoken to the white house. and we've talked about our position in that we feel there needs to be a lot more worked on their. and looked, the uaw has always stood for peace, and we've called for a cease-fire. we're going to keep pushing. and i believe they will do the right thing. and i believe that michigan will deliver for president biden. we can't afford to go backwards. in a trump presidency would be a disaster. by right thing do you mean call for a cease-fire? >> well, i mean, yes. obviously, more action needs to be happened there. so, what is happening over there is just wrong. this is about humanity, and, you know, innocent people are

being killed. women, children. and it is senseless. there's no excuse for it. so -- >> you mentioned former president trump and he's not been happy since you endorsed president biden. he's been blasting even criticizing you. he just met with teamsters, which is obviously one of the biggest unions. it represents truck drivers, pilots, others. the question is, who will shauna brian from teamsters endorsed? and as he's weighing that, i wonder what it would say to you if he does endorse trump, and what it would say for the labor movement overall? >> i am not going to try to answer for sean o'brien. but i would 100% bet that -- i can't see any way in heck a union would endorse donald trump for president. the man stands against everything that working class people stand for that organized labor stands for. and look, they chose to entertain visiting with

candidates, and it's a path they chose. sano pointed it, because look at the track record from donald trump. his two favorite words are your fired. he is the boss. he represents the billionaire class. that is his base. and so, when you look at the two candidates on our end, joe biden has a history of batting betting on the american, worker standing with the american worker, just as he did in our strike this year. when donald trump was president and -- gm was on track for 40 days down trump is able. he never said, we're never did a thing. when it came to saving communities, donald trump did not do a thing to help lordstown assembly, back when that plant closed in ohio, in 19, when trump was president. but you look at president biden, east it with us over at belvedere, illinois this year. we took one plant that was going to close, now we have two plants that's going to be built there. on top of that, we saved the community. so, the contrast could not be any more difference between these two. and when it comes to organize, labor i can't fathom any union

would never stand for donald trump. >> yeah, trump, i remember when he told people to keep their homes, not to sell them. shawn fain, as always, it's great to have you here. and thank you for joining us on the source. >> thank you. >> up next, the latest from the 2024 campaign trail.

tonight, nikki haley is going after former president donald trump, tying his legal troubles to his campaign cash, a lot of it -- $50 million to be exact, according to records from the fcc -- has not actually been spent on campaigning at all. >> get ready to spend more campaign dollars on legal fees. because those court cases have just started. he's got two and march, and they go out for the rest of the year. it is unconscionable to me that a candidate would spend $50 million in legal fees. it explains why he's not doing many rallies. he does not have the money to do it. >> here tonight, republican strategist and pollster kristin soltis anderson also joining me, democratic strategist and adviser to the biden 2020

campaign, alencia johnson. kristen, i will start with you. because i wonder what you make of this new tactic from haley, going after trump and his court cases, but doing it so by arguing about how he is using fundraiser dollars on his legal fees. >> i imagine that comments she made about the fact that, well, he's not doing rallies because he spending all his money on legal fees has got to get under his skin. because he is somebody who is known for all he is trying to say, i am the richest guy around, i'm the one that's got all the resources. and she's trying to continue to prosecute this case around electability. unfortunately for haley, this has not really worked in the republican primary so far. donald trump continues to win a majority of voters, including in her home state of south carolina. and so while i think personally she is -- right that donald trump is eighth -- in part because of his legal peril, republican voters have been more immune to this argument thus far. >> i'm glad you brought up this

-- personally arguing that she could beat biden and donald trump can't. alencia johnson, when you look at the polling that came out just today, it shows a lead for haley if she was the republican nominee. new matchup. she beat biden 52 to 39. but trump is 49 to 45. obviously, a lot closer. why is that an argument that isn't necessarily resonating with voters? >> it's because of this voting base. the maga republican voting base it's this cult of personality. they love donald trump. they believe what he says. and it's interesting, as we were talking about the money piece, he's using his campaign fund. that is overwhelmingly raised by the small dollar donors. now, he is constantly talking to and saying, i'm fighting for you. and so, nikki haley is trying to break all of that apart, and tell them the truth about who this mayonnaise, and that he is using them. but she can't seem to break through. because they hear his rhetoric. they believe it.

there's going to be studies and studies after this, after the republican party hopefully dumps donald trump. but until then, they are going to at the beheld of the voters, and tilde continue to say they want donald trump. and they don't like when people, whether democrats or republicans, go against them. >> the other numbers, kristen, that i was looking at in the fcc fec reports -- they run out of money. but what we saw from yesterday's report is that she still has 14 point $6 million available to her. what does that say to you about even if the polling numbers aren't there, that the financial numbers are. does -- to stay in, do you believe? >> certainly. and look, even though she is not winning a majority of republican voters in iowa, in new hampshire, unlikely in south carolina. she is still pulling, inarguably, four in ten republicans. and so, by saying in the race, even though, i think, she actually becomes the republican

nominee are almost zero, she's allowing that 40 or so percent of the party that does not want donald trump to keep having a voice, two -- and this hate, republican party, you we have to leave it, they're great to have you both here tonight on the source. coming up, also, an apology today from the defense secretary, many questions still remain about what lloyd austin did not say. we will tell you what he did right after this.

with american forces under attack in the middle east, the defense secretary lloyd austin held his first news conference since being secretly hospitalized for prostate cancer and complications moment a month ago. austin apologized to reporters in the room today for keeping the country and the commander in chief in the dark about his condition for days. >> i want to be crystal clear, we did not handle this right,

and i did not handle this right. i should have told the president about my cancer diagnosis, i should have also told my team and the american public. i take full responsibility. >> austin said that he acted out of a desire for privacy, and he was shaken by heads agnew says i. should note, there were questions today that he did not answer. one of those is whether or not his top deputy, the one who's technically in charge of the pentagon while under anesthesia knew about it. >> i think in terms of what she knew, and didn't, know i think we should probably let that come out of the review. >> i'm joined tonight by someone who has held that same job for the the fence secretary mark esper. secretary esper, it is great to have, you because you know what it is like to be at that -- i wonder if you are satisfied with what you heard from secretary austin today?

>> well, good evening, caitlin. first of all, he did the right thing by coming out and acknowledging he had made some errors in judgment on how it was handled. he took full responsibility for, which is what we expected him to do. so that was good to see that. however, there were and remain a lot of unanswered questions, questions he was asked of, a tough ones was the members of the press that he didn't fully answer. there are more to follow. the chairman of the house, armed services committee, mike rogers has initiated an inquiry a couple weeks, ago and he has promised to invite secretary austin to come to the hill to testify. so this is not going away anytime soon. i think in front of the committee, a lot of those questions by the -- those threats will be pulled pretty long by members of congress. >> what kind of questions are those? a lot of the controversy had to do with the fact that so many people did not know that he was even in the hospital.

>> yes, i think it begins with, you, know some argument he had three opportunities to notify the president and his, staff he didn't. first was the diagnosis, second was the procedure, third was the rushing to the intensive care unit. so, that is number one. i think number two, what authorities were transferred, who knew they were chants, or who they were chanceford and where the they told the condition, because when authorities are transferred it matters whether or not you know the person, the secretary of defense is -- a procedure or is in an intensive care unit for three days. it colors how one might decide to execute that authority. but in the case of the deputy secretary of defense, arguably immediately back to washington d.c., to be at the pentagon, where you have all the resources available to you and full staff available as well. so to me those are some of the principal questions out there. the other one that was asked

today, that here just pretty straightforward was, did he or anybody on his staff not tell the white house and president after he said no he never gave any correspondence. >> yeah, the other thing of course, he was asked about, naturally, part of why there was so much, so many headlines about this is given what is going on in the middle east. right now, the president of the other, day he had decided how to respond after u.s. forces were killed by the deadly drone attack in jordan. today austin said this of the proxies. he said they have a lot of capability, i have a lot of work. he did not telegraph what the white house is going to do. i wonder what you think the window for a response looks like here given now we are thursday night, these attacks happened on sunday? >> yes, first of, all on the first what you are right. the united states forces were engaged in active combat operations, so once again, the training command, that it

remain under broke in during his absence? those are the key questions i think the -- will get to. keep in mind there is an internal inquiry as well going on at the pentagon. the broader issue, heater questions today about this as, well it is the response to the killing of american soldiers on sunday in jordan. a very tragic of, course look i'm surprised it hasn't happened sooner, it tells me maybe the pentagon has maneuvered forces in place to either conduct or sustain offensive operations being in that position i know that is what i had to do and had done. so i think once those things are in place, the commanders are, briefed maybe there is coordination with allies, that i think the campaign if you will will begin. i think what they are talking about in terms of striking i similar proxy groups, responsible, and the number one does any right now seems to be hezbollah, but also iranian

facilities and iranian personnel which -- for five days that you have to hit, them you have to have a tough response. look we can see already through the media, through senior iranian officials, they are already backing off a little bit, they are saying they do not want war, they are changing their strategy. they have gone to the commander meet with leaders of team hezbollah told them to back off, they subsequently made a statement they were going to do the same. so is a lot going on here. it is good to see that it looks like we are having the deterrent effect so far, putting the skill of the attacks on strikes, then go from there and see whether we can sustain -- >> secretary mark esper, we will see, thank you very much for joining us tonight. back with more news in just a moment.

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tonight, republicans are demanding punishments that can't happen for was that a member of congress did not actually say. we're talking about democratic congresswoman -- who recently addressed supporters in minneapolis. she is speaking somali. the topic was a controversial port bill that would give a bakery region of northern somalia access to the city. an ambassador from that breakaway region posted a version of her comments online. the translation on the clip claimed that she said this. u.s. government will only do what's the millions and the u.s. tell them to do. they will do what we want, and nothing else. they must follow our, orders and that is how we will safeguard the interests of somalia. now cnn translated her speech, here's what she actually said. quote, the united states government will do what we tell them to, do we need to have confidence as similar people who live in this country. this is the country we pay taxes in. this is the country where a girl was bor