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"k "c "cnn this morning" continues right now. good morning. it's friday, the top of the hour. in just a few hours, president biden and first lady and the secretary of defense will head to delaware to join grieving families of three american families killed in jordan and attend the dignified transfer of their remains at dover air force base. >> on thursday, the pentagon chief confirmed a multi-tiered response is coming. it's unclear when the u.s. plans to launch that retaliation. sources telling cnn, iran did appear to be surprised by the attack by the proxies. overnight, iran's president said he would not start any war but did vow to, quote, respond strongly to bullies. here we are again. this is coming the day the president signed the executive

order targeting israeli settlers who attack palestinians. he is going to meet later today with the families of the fallen american soldiers. as he is navigating this at home as well and dealing with everything that's going on in the middle east. >> reporter: yeah, he is. the u.s. is preparing that response in retaliation for the deaths of the three u.s. service members. for president biden, his focus today will really be on one of the most solemn duties a commander in chief has. that is attending the dignified transfer of the three u.s. service members. all from the state of georgia. they include william rivers as well as two army specialists who were promoted to the rank of sergeant, kennedy sanders and breonna moffett. the president will spend an hour meeting with the families behind closed doors in addition to lloyd austin and c.q. brown.

then they will be on hand as the dignified transfer of the remains take place. president biden spoke by phone to each of the families on tuesday. in that conversation, he gauged their interest whether they want him on hand. he said they did accept that request. we actually got some very rare footage of a moment where president biden was speaking with one of the families, the families of sergeant kennedy sanders. when he informed them about the fact that they were pos promoti her to sergeant. >> by the way, we are promoting her to sergeant. >> wow. that is the best news i have heard today. thank you so much. you don't know how much that means to us. >> i tell you what, it means a lot to me. my son spent a year in iraq. that's how i lost him.

1% of all these kids are the ones that take care of 99% of us. >> reporter: an emotional moment. the families will have time with president biden to share stories about their loved ones and feelings after the loss of their loved ones as well. this is the second dignified transfer he will attend. he attended one after 13 u.s. servicemen and women were killed in afghanistan. always a very emotional moment for the families and for the commander in chief. as for the response, lloyd austin has said they expect it to be a multi-tiered response. they are awaiting word on when that will be carried out. today, the focus will be on these families as he is on hand in dover, delaware, later this afternoon. >> the most somber and solemn part of the job. i want to ask, we saw the press conference from the secretary of

defense yesterday, the first time he had spoken at length since he was hospitalized. this is the first time he and the president will be together. do we have a sense where they are on things after austin did not tell the president about his cancer diagnosis? >> reporter: austin said in the press conference that he apologized to president biden and that he thinks the president has been handling it graciously. this will be the first time the two men are together in public. i will note they were in a meetmeet im meeting in the situation room. but the defense secretary has been at the pentagon, as the u.s. is thinking about what next steps they will be taking in this matter. the fate of donald trump's business empire will soon be decided. we expect the judge to issue a verdict within the next few weeks in trump's $370 million civil fraud trial. it's one of the many civil and criminal cases colliding with

his presidential campaign. >> nikki haley is calling out donald trump and his superpac. >> get ready to spend more campaign dollars on legal fees. those court cases have just started. he has two in march. they go out for the rest of the year. it's unconscionable to me that a candidate would spend $50 million in legal fees. it explains why he is not doing many rallies. he doesn't have the money to do it. >> let'sthere's a lot on the calendar. what are you watching? >> get your notifications turned on. there's a lot of things we are waiting for, including four cases. let's start with the new york civil fraud case. the lawsuit brought by the new york state attorney general against donald trump and his businesses alleging that they overinflated the value of their assets. two pieces of breaking news from

last night. first of all, the judge said he was going to rule -- going to try to rule by january 31st, a couple days ago. last night he said, more like early or middle of february. the other thing maybe related to that is we are learning allen weisselberg may be working towards a plea deal to admit he committed perjury in this case. if that's the case, you can understand why the judge may want to see how that plays out. when the judge rules -- this verdict will come from the judge, not a jury. there are still six remaining counts in the case. one count, the judge has found against donald trump and for the a.g.'s office. then, how big will the monetary penalty be? will trump use his ability to conduct business in new york. >> people are looking at jack smith. there's a decision coming down soon that could affect that. >> this is the criminal case.

he argues he has immunity. we heard the oral argument 3 1/2 weeks ago. given how quickly the court of appeals scheduled that, we thought they were going to rule quick. here we are going on 3 1/2 weeks. people are wondering what's going on. time is of the essence. here is where we are for that argument. whoever loses, will try to get it up to the u.s. supreme court. the district court, the trial court, they have been on pause this whole time. judge chutkan has made clear in her other rulings, she's not expecting that march 4th trial date, which is about a month away. that's not going to hold. how quickly can they get it back there? >> there's georgia. >> a couple things we know when they are coming. today we will see the official courtroom response in a brief from willis to the allegations that she's having an improper relationship with one of the outside people who is working on the case, nathan wade. she has not responded officially to that yet. the ballot challenge, the 14th amendment challenge.

colorado removed donald trump from the ballot. the argument will be on thursday. watch it here on cnn. trump's final brief is due on monday. it's like the late, great tom petty said. the waiting -- >> it's the hardest part. >> there you go. >> i love when you bring in a tom petty reference. new cnn reporting on trump's ballot battles. we learned the lead lawyers on both sides of the colorado case have little to no experience arguing before the high court. they are moving their operations to the nation's capital to tap into experienced lawyers there. >> joining us now, joan misqubik. is this rare? >> it is for this kind of big case. they both have their fothings ty

are good at. it could affect who is the next president of the united states. imagine the pressure for these two, one of whom who never appeared before the justices. one who has a handful of times but not in anything as consequential as the case we have before us. that's why they are both -- as of this morning, they both moved their operations to washington, d.c. where they will tap into this network of lawyers who will help them practice. the practice rounds are not just to get a handle on the constitutional issues and the law at the center of the case but rather how they present it. they just don't want to practice, they want to surface the weaknesses of the cases so that they can fix how they will unspool things in real time before the justices. they want to get the justices, no matter what the questions, to pivot back to the strong points of their respective cases. >> who plays the justices? how does that work out? they make sure -- it's like

debate prep. >> it is. as a quick aside, it's amazing how many really good supreme court advocate were high school debaters. there's a debate prep thing to it. they have moot court. the real court has nine justices. an ideal moot is four or five justices to prepare. what they do is they do take on the roles of real supreme court justices, because those will be the ones accepting -- deciding the case. these practice sessions are supposed to go the way the real ones would go. a lawyer would start by saying, mr. chief justice, may it please the court. you have two minutes to present his openi ingopening. then get pummelled by the justices. >> matter of fact of putting it. i have to ask, i would want you in my prep for this. you feel like you would know all

the inside details about what justices -- what makes them tick, what makes them happy. what are some of the inside tips about particular justices? >> sure. to loop together your question and erica's earlier one, as much as i watched these justices, i have never stood at the lectern. the people they have playing the justices are former members of the u.s. solicitor general's office and other advocates who have appeared dozens of times before the court. so they can really channel the justices. here is what i observed from my seat over in the press section is that you have to be ready for wild hypotheticals that will trip you up from on the left justice kagan and on the right, al alito. they pinpoint the weakest sections of a case, that maybe the advocate didn't know he or she had. then the really -- the important justices to keep an eye on are the people at the ideological

center of the bench, that's john roberts and amy coney-barrett and brett kavanaugh. either side need all three of those for how this is resolved. again, it could be a 5-4 ruling. chief justice john roberts doesn't want a 5-4 ruling. he wants the center to go with either the trump -- the pro-trump forces or those who are trying to keep him off the ballot. >> so much prep that goes into all of this. really appreciate it. thank you. >> sure. the newest c nn polling shos donald trump narrowly leading president biden in a hypothetical matchup. there are cracks beginning to emerge when it comes to biden's michigan coalition. >> we are not happy with biden. we understand that the other option is not an option that's favorable to us. >> he is not somebody i can

trust.

the coalition that helped president biden win michigan in 2020 could show cracks this year. he visited the battleground state yesterday. he focused on improving the lives of the middle class. that state has a large arab american population, some of whom showed up to protest biden's support of israel in gaza. jeff zeleny joins us from detroit. you talked to michigan

lawmakers. you were talking to voters. what are they telling you? >> reporter: good morning. you could see that enthusiastic support from members of the labor union. you could hear that passionate anger from members of the arab american and muslim communities here. in between, there's a lack of enthusiasm about the idea of a rematch between joe biden and donald trump. taken together, this points out one of the biggest challenges faces the biden campaign, rebuilding his winning coalition. >> the two old white guys duking it out. >> reporter: reverend williams is bracing for a rematch between joe biden and donald trump, exhausted of the notion of a nine-month battle for the white house. >> some may feel i don't have any hope in donald trump or hope in joe biden. >> reporter: as pastor, williams was on the frontlines of soaring turnout among black voters four years ago. he believes biden can't win through fear of trump alone.

>> it is almost like your big brother and your big sister saying, the boogieman is under the bed. sooner or later, you figure, is it really a boogieman? maybe this guy ain't the boogieman. >> reporter: one of the biggest tests is putting together a coalition, particularly in michigan. trump carried the state in 2016 along with wisconsin and pennsylvania. biden flipped all three in 2020. a blue wall that led to victory. his challenges are complicated by anger among muslims and arab americans over the israel-hamas war made clear by protests. including as the president visited michigan. >> he is not somebody i can trust. >> reporter: adam worked as a field organizer for the biden campaign four years ago. he will not vote for the president again. seeing him as complicit in deaths of innocent palestinians. by taking this stand, do you

wonder if it will help elect donald trump? >> it probably will. we have seen four years of trump. we have seen four years of biden. people don't really see a difference between the presidencies. >> reporter: it was nearly four years ago when biden pointedly presented himself as a bridge to the future. >> i view myself as a bridge not as anything else. there's an entire generation of leaders you saw stand behind me. they are the future of this country. they are the people who will run it. >> reporter: those cheers rang out in the gymnasium of renaissance high where the students are following the presidential race. >> i don't feel like he represents the young voter demographic. >> reporter: it's the first time that they can vote. >> he has been in the system too long. venture outside of it to make progress. >> reporter: the biden campaign tells cnn it will draw d distinction between trump.

>> we are not happy with biden. but we understand that the other option is not an option as favorable to us. >> reporter: norman said voters are eager to hear what biden would do in a second term, not what he has done or tried to do. are you worried about people voting for trump or young voters and others not voting at all? >> i'm worried about the protest vote. my message is, we did that in 2016. we held our vote. >> reporter: the biden campaign is well aware of all these challenges. they say they will fight to earn the support of michigan voters and others, of course, not just simply ask for the vote. talking to these voters from various demographic groups, young voters in particular, black voters as well, it's clear the president has work to do. that's one of the reasons he spent a significant amount of time here in detroit yesterday. one wild card different from the 2020 campaign is that anger in

the arab american community. michigan at the center of the blue wall. it determines if president biden goes back to the white house. >> something the biden team is very, very aware of. jeff zeleny, thank you. today, we could get our first look at the border deal. one democrat blames it on the gop's loyalty to donald trump. >> you are obsessed with the border, because you bend the knee to the orange jesus. >> rob menendez will join us next. we are watching another powerful storm that could barrel into california this weekend. forecasters warning life-threatening flooding could hit with up to a foot of rain. previous storms have saturated some areas. the state has hupd hundreds of firefighters on standby. we will be right back.

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this morning on capitol hill, we could see details of the bipartisan border deal. schumer says it will be released no later than sunday. mike johnson is vowing to tank any deal. donald trump told republicans to kill it so it wouldn't help president biden's re-election campaign. house republicans have been pushing towards impeaching mayorkas. that drawing a fiery rebuke from men menendez. >> with the global dynamic we have, we have not lived up to

our obligation on this committee because you all are obsessed with the border. because you bend the knee to the orange jesus, as you refer to him across the aisle. that's what this is about. we have failed. >> congressman menendez joins us. nice to have you with us. we heard your criticism there. we saw the comments getting a fair amount of pickup. you are not the only person to criticize what's happening there when it comes to immigration. we heard from ken buck saying he is a solid no on impeaching mayorkas, saying his colleagues have failed to show high crimes or misdemeanors. your efforts would be better served in dealing with the border. that said, things are moving. how concerned are you about this impeachment moving forward? >> it's a sham impeachment. it sets a terrible precedent for our institution. you can have policy disagreements. that's part of operating with the executive branch. republicans know this is a political issue that plays well

for their base. they are trying to maximize their efforts to use it as a political foil against the biden administration instead of dealing with the issue we need to address. >> it will play out that way? >> they will try to extract as much as possible. they need to impeach mayorkas to make trump look strong on the border. they are trying to tear public officials down so they make trump seem stronger on issues that matter to all americans, instead of working with democrats and the administration to come up with real solutions. that's what we were sent to washington to do. they have no interest in doing that. >> look at where things stand with the immigration deal in terms of working together. there has been gop criticism as we know. and yet, they are not the only ones criticizing it. you have democrats saying, this goes too far. to be specific on that, they say it's dangerous, this compromise. the deal would set back real comprehensive immigration reform by 10 to 15 years. is any of that democratic

criticism of the deal warranted? >> we have to see the full text. from what we heard, absolutely. we need to get a better control of the border. giving up on immigration policy without a guarantee it will do anything to change the dynamic at the border should be a non-starter. if you look at the supplemental, that was an effort by the biden administration to make improvements at the border. that wasn't enough for republicans. then we have the bipartisan negotiations. now that's not enough. if you look at hr-2, it's an inhumane approach to the border. it would lead to lives being lost on american soil. you wouldn't let ngos do their job to help people in need. there's things that are really problematic. we can't sacrifice who we are as a nation of immigrants to satisfy republicans who will never be satisfied on the border, because they view it as a political win. >> we are waiting on the text. based on what you know now, where would you stand? >> we want to address the

situation in a thoughtful way. if there's bipartisan support for it, we will give it due consideration. if we change our immigration policies for the next 10 to 15 years to satisfy republicans, that's hard to accept. >> it sounds like you have reservations. >> that's correct. i would like to see the text. it's not just about how we bring people out of the shadows. it's a more comprehensive approach. >> a new cnn poll out, 31% of americans support prioritizing mass deportation of all people living in this country illegally. that's up from 15% in 2019. the language is tougher from president biden on the way down. is that more about polling and politics, or do you believe it's language about policy? >> i think it's a lot of the politics that have gone on the last several years. people see the situation at the border and they are responding to the republican narrative. there's a global migration

challenge between climate change, failed governments in our hemisphere. there's a challenge we have to address at the root cause and how it is appearing at our border. when you look at what republicans talk about, when you talk about a mass invasion like you hear texas republicans talking about, when you talk about things like replacement theory, these are things that have gained hold because that's what republicans are talking about. they think if they can come up with a conspiracy theory that's dangerous enough that americans will trust them. when you see the rise in support for mass deportation, it's in response to a dangerous republican narrative. >> i want your take on your father. senator bob menendez, facing bribery and corruption charges for allegedly taking steps to benefit the governments of egypt and qatar. he denied the charges. you are not involved in any of this. there have been, as you know, multiple calls for him to step down. he hasn't said whether he is running. there are challenges.

his trial would begin just before the primary. should your father run again? >> that's a decision he will make. for us, we are focused on our re-el re-election, what we can do for the 8th congressional district. that's where our focus will remain. he will make his decision about what he wants to do next while he defends himself against these allegations. >> should he be in classified briefings right now? >> i don't see a reason why not. he has been -- the charges are what they are. he has a right to the pre presumption of innocence. >> you have a primary challenge coming up. do you believe the allegations against your father are oversh overshadowing you running? >> the people know the work we have done in our first year. we solved over 1,200 cases for families across the district, including people get out of afghanistan. we brought over $11 billion back to the district for the gateway

program for the northeast corridor. grants for environmental justice. we have done an incredible amount of work i'm proud of. that's the work people are responding to. >> good to have you in the studio. >> thanks so much. republican politicians are praising the infrastructure projects and economic investments. don't ask them how they voted on those issues. how lawmakers and donald trump take credit for legislation that they refused to support. that's next.

not just any whiteboard... ...katie porter's whiteboard is one way she's: [news anchor] ...often seen grilling top executives of banks, big pharma, even top administration officials. katie porter. never taken corporate pac money - never will. leading the fight to ban congressional stock trading. and the only democrat who opposed wasteful “earmarks” that fund politicians' pet projects.

katie porter. focused on your challenges - from lowering housing costs to fighting climate change. shake up the senate - with democrat katie porter. i'm katie porter and i approve this message. you voted against the bill that gave the money that you then signed a check for and handed and had a photo op.

right? you voted against that bill. >> right now, you have to give me more details. i know every time i have an opportunity to bring money to my constituents, i do so. >> you remember -- >> look -- >> you voted against the chips and science act, right? >> listen, right now i need to ask my staff. >> that clip went viral this week. it may have left you wondering how a lawmaker could take credit for an accomplishment tied to a law they voted against. she's hardly the first republican to try to have it both ways the last few years. she has plenty of company. it turns out the more than $1.2 billion authorized creates a lot

of funding and opportunities for districts and states. it's not the first time we have seen salazar praise it. she praised renovations at the airport. last week, the minnesota congressman praised a billion dollars to replace a bridge in his district. white house officials have noticed. wi they aren't shocked but the unmitigated gall is not lost. that goes a long way explaining why the white house targeted him. biden said it on the trail as well. in a visit, biden made sure voters should know who to thank. >> for decades, people talked about replacing this bridge. it never got done.

until today. [ cheers and applause ] until today. >> there's idaho. senators were quick to congratulate a manufacturing center on securing a critical tech hub. both voted against the legislation that created those tech hubs. jeff duncan, very. site excited and noted he was the only representative who served on the committee for negotiating the chips act. he didn't mention he voted against it. this is a sample of what has become regular practice over the last couple of years. then there's former president trump, who is not necessarily touting specific laws, but he has no qualms about taking

credit for a robust stock market who he says is doing well because of his poll numbers. the hypocrisy in politics, this is not breaking news. lawmakers pursuing money for their district or states, that's part of the job. here is the bigger picture. it's an election year. while president biden spends nearly every day trying to talk up the major legislative wins in an economy that had jerome powell saying this this week -- >> let's be honest. this is a good economy. >> that message in poll after poll hasn't sunk in with voters. new polling shows a majority of americans don't think the country is doing well. biden's approval on the economy is slowly ticking up, but it hangs in the high 30s, which raises a question that could determine whether voters will give biden a second term. will he find a way to turn around the approval numbers? have republicans somehow beaten him to the political punch? thank you.

breaking news. the economy added 353,000 jobs last month. the unemployment rate remaining steady at 3.7%. joining us to break down the numbers, rahel solomon. is beating expectations. >> this is a stunningly good report, a hot report. expectations were closer to 176,000. this is twice what wall street was expecting. the unemployment rate remained at 3.7%, third month in a row. we have been this this tight range of unemployment, under 4%, for at least two years now. when you look at the industries where we added jobs in january, this was what was interesting to me. professional and business services, the bulk adding 74,000 jobs in january. if you compare that to 2023, we added 14,000 jobs per month. you think professional and business services, white collar jobs, accounting, for example,

health care. that's a continuation of what we saw last year, health care adding 70,000, retail adding 45,000. this is an important year politically and economically. this is the first jobs report. a lot of eyes will watch this on wall street and main street and washington. it's a economy that continues to hum. expectations was we would cool in a significant way. it hasn't happened. one thing that was interesting is futures were down on this news. futures turned down on this news, at least the dow. the reason why is because earlier this week when we heard from powell, he said in determining when the right point is to start cutting rates, they will look at reports like this, the labor report. a report which still shows strength there, that indicates that maybe they can wait longer in 2024 to start cutting rates. >> that's what i want to ask you

about. we watched the fed chair's press conference, read the minutes. i missed the top because i was walking over here and saw the number on the screen and went wow. to that point, does this take the possibility of a march cut off the table? we didn't get much commitment on that front. this is hot. >> yeah. i feel like what i heard is powell pretty much took it off the table. he basically said, march is not the base case. that's not what expectations are. they don't think there's anything that will change over the next six weeks that would suggest that a march rate cut is appropriate, at least according to them. as you know, there are some in washington who believe they should already be cutting rates. that's a different conversation. it's not the only report that they will look at. they will look at gdp, cpi, the inflation report. there's a lot of indicators. again, it's a sign that there is strength in the labor market.

the dow still off -- i need to get my eyes checks. about 40 points. nasdaq and s&p up right now. it's a strong labor market when rate cuts will come after a report like this, it's looking like practice your patience. >> 45,000 jobs added in retail. that says a lot about the economy. >> people are spending. >> we are a consumer-based economy. it's an election year, month after month after month, this administration's economy has defied expectations. >> well set. music's biggest night is sunday. just ahead, clieve davis, the mn who helped discover aretha franklin and many more opens up about his life and legacy. ♪

this is my favorite story of the week. tracy chapman will return for a rare performance of "fast car." she's going to sing it with luke combs who is nominated for best country solo performance for his performance of the song. we will be right back. ♪

music's biggest night is sunday. it's the grammy awards. the biggest party happens the night before. clive davis' pre-grammy bash. we haven't gotten invited. >> i know it's coming. cnn sat down with davis to discuss his famous production

skills that played a major role in the careers of some of the biggest music stars in the world. >> i never thought in a million years that i would discover artists. >> reporter: that gut discovered janice joplin in 1967. since then, music producer clive davis has nurtured the careers of some of the biggest stars on the planet. from aretha franklin to billy joel. bruce springsteen to whitney houston. that song confused davis houston was a superstar. >> that's the song i commissioned for the life of muhammad ali eight years earlier. there's this young teenager singing "the greatest love of

all" like i never heard it before. >> reporter: houston was one of the stars davis introduced to the industry at his famed pre-grammy gala, which is always held the night before the ceremony. it was barry manilow who urged him to start. >> actors, directors, nancy pelosi, chris rock. >> reporter: it was hours before the party in 2012 that whitney houston drowned in the bathtub of her hotel room. cocaine and heart disease were contributing factors. how tough was that? >> it was painful. it was shocking. i had been with her 48 hours earlier. >> reporter: davis said houston was planning to record new music with him before she died. >> she was vital, optimistic, looking forward to the future. that's the lethal power of drugs. i called her family. i said, look, this was her

favorite party. we have to celebrate her. >> she doesn't want us to be somber. >> but also provide a peaceful haven for the mourners to be together and not feel alone. >> reporter: through the years, davis says he has always tried to link the past with the present. what stands out to you? >> taylor. >> reporter: recalling the time he introduced taylor swift to johnny mathis. >> taylor, you are going to see someone i don't think you have ever seen publically before. an album of his greatest hits was on billboard top 200 for ten consecutive years. taylor did her trademark covering of her mouth gasping. >> reporter: what do you want people to remember you by? what is your legacy? >> my legacy is that i discovered or nurtured an unusual array of the most gifted artists of all time.

they felt safe. to see that they were still headlining arenas all over the world and were not one-hit wonders was such a great feeling. >> amazing to sit across from clive davis, at 91 years old. amazing that nearly 50 years later, this is the biggest party of grammy weekend. i will try to find beyonce for you. >> don't rub that in. that was an awesome interview. thanks so much. it's possibly the biggest shakeup since lebron james took his talents to south beach. >> it's my favorite story. lewis hamilton switching teams. why his move to ferrari is such a big deal. will it pay off?

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never taken corporate pac money - never will. leading the fight to ban congressional stock trading. and the only democrat who opposed wasteful “earmarks” that fund politicians' pet projects. katie porter. focused on your challenges - from lowering housing costs to fighting climate change. shake up the senate - with democrat katie porter. i'm katie porter and i approve this message. the end of an era in formula i racing. lewis hamilton, considered to be one of the greatest drivers in f1 history, announcing he is leaving mercedes after 11 years, moving over to a rival, ferrari. the 39-year-old shares the record for the most world title ever. he cemented his place in racing history.

he joins in 2025. joining us from england, phillip duncan. full discloser, i'm a massive fan with my son sawyer. we love this. this was huge yesterday morning. phil is getting on board. >> i'm drafting off of you. >> he is with us. put into perspective why this is such a big deal that he is going to ferrari. >> the script writers at "drive to survive" couldn't have made this up. lewis hamilton leaving mercedes to join the rival ferrari. he spoke about the dream of racing for the red team. now it's coming to fruition. it's a remarkable story. no one really expected it to happen. it's been spoken about. lewis hamilton signed a two-year deal with mercedes in september. now four or five months later,

he is joining the rivals ferrari in 2025. the biggest and most well-known driver joining the biggest team is a great story. >> do we know why? >> he wants to win. i think he sees ferrari as offering him the better chance of winning that elusive eighth world title, the world championship that will make him a record breaker. no one else has won eight world titles. i don't think he thinks he can do that with mercedes. it's the lure of driving for ferrari. as i said before, he has dreamt about racing for them. he thinks it is the time to happen. he is friendly with the ferrari chairman, who has been instrumental in making sure this happened. now it's coming to fruition. it's a shame we have got to wait one year before it comes together. >> maybe this will add to the drama. last year was drama free. this may add drama this year. can you put this in perspective for sports fans at home?

is this the equivalent of tom brady going to tampa? >> totally. as i said, lewis hamilton is the guy that transcends formula i. he is the driver that everyone knows of or has heard of. he is different than many of the others before and so successful as well. he has won so many world championships, seven. he wants this eighth world title. ferrari is an iconic brand. everyone is aware of ferrari. not to say people aren't aware of mercedes. ferrari, they competed in every year since formula i existed in 1950. they have been there every year. great history. the driver, the guy we all moe, is going to join them. it's a great story and a boost that f1 needed. hopefully, hamilton in a