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saying, how is everyone doing? elmo wants to know. and there have been 206 million views of this tweet, and what it unleashed was this absolutely just heartbreaking outpouring of grief and pain, to the point where it forced elmo to then have to write another tweet to say, hey, there's some mental health resources out there for everybody. and i think it just shows, like, our isolation, our pain, and how we look to these characters for solace. just, to me, it was a heartbreaking sort of opening into our psyche. >> it was amazing how people responded to it. gang, thank you all for being here. thank you for spending part of your day with us. we'll see you right back here next week. this is cnn breaking news. >> hello, everyone.
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i'm fredricka whitfield. thank you so much for joining us. new today, iraq is now summoning a top u.s. diplomatic official in protest of a barrage of punishing u.s. air strikes in the middle east. the u.s. says those strikes hit 85 targets linked to iran's islamic revolutionary guard quds force and affiliated militia groups in iraq and syria. the strikes a response to a drone attack in jordan which killed three american soldiers on sunday. iraq is claiming the explosions that just happened involving the u.s. killing 16 people, including civilians. u.s. defense secretary lloyd austin says the strikes are just the beginning of the u.s. response. iran says the u.s. has made a strategic mistake, while iraq and syria say the u.s. actions could inflame more conflict in the region. cnn has teams around the globe covering all of these developments. let's go first to cnn's ben
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wedeman in jordan. ben, these strikes were sudden, devastating. how are officials on the ground? how are those in iraq reacting? >> reporter: well, i'll start with syria, where of course they've said, the syrian officials have said that there have been civilian, as well as military casualties in what's described as significant devastation in several spots in the eastern part of the country, where it's known that iranian advisers, as well as iranian-backed militias have been operating. now, as far as iraq is concerned, let's keep in mind there are about 2,500 u.s. troops in iraq at the moment. the iraq he's have come out and condemned the u.s. strikes, saying that they're unacceptable, they're a violation of national sovereignty, and we've heard the same thing from the iranian government as well.
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now, the iraqi foreign ministry has summoned the u.s. in baghdad, there is no ambassador at the moment, to file an official protest. but beyond those countries that are aligned or close to iran, the reaction across the arab world has been fairly muted to these strikes. >> okay, ben. let's go to kevin liptak, traveling with president biden in wilmington. the u.s. says this is part of the military response. the president said he had made a decision not long ago, and we understand it will be in phases. what more are you hearing from the white house? >> reporter: really all american officials from the president on down saying this was just the first salvo in their response, even before these attacks began. we had heard from officials that this would be a multi-phased process, lasting weeks, perhaps even months. and in his statement last night
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president biden saying that this was not the end of the american reprisal, saying our response began today, it will continue at times and places of our choosing. and i think it's notable, he said times and places plural. the president goes on to say the united states does not seek conflict in the middle east or anywhere else in the world, but let all those who might seek to do us harm know this, if you harm an american, we will respond. now, the next phase of this isn't exactly clear. american officials are understandably reticent about describing in great detail what might happen next, and certainly they will be looking at how these strikes proceeded, the assessment on the ground, as they calibrate their response going forward. there are a number of other factors that would contribute to the timing, including the weather. and it was interesting listening to american officials last night describe the central role that the weather played in the timing of this response, because there had been this gap of several
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days between when the president said he had decided on a response and when we saw it begin. officials said they were looking for a clear day so they were able to better see the targets and avoid any unintended casualties. but this really does move into a new phase, biden and his administration's response to this growing conflict in the region. he is trying to strike a balance here, trying to deter these groups, trying to degrade their capabilities, while also preventing a wider war from breaking out in the region. remember, fredricka, he is also trying to secure this major breakthrough agreement that would secure the release of hostages in gaza in exchange for a prolonged pause in the fighting. none of these things is happening in a vacuum and certainly president biden is watching this very closely going forward. >> thank you. back to you, ben. we're also getting details about several new u.s. strikes in yemen, u.s. says it targeted multiple houthi drones preparing
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to attack drones in the red sea and gulf of aden on friday. >> reporter: these were targets of opportunity, of drones being launched at shipping in the red sea and the gulf of aden. they're not along the same lines as the kind of strikes we saw overnight in syria and iraq. there's a u.s. carrier group operating in the area, they used f-18s to shoot some of those drones down, fired by the houthis, according to the pentagon. and this is really what has been going on almost on a daily basis now for many, many weeks. and, of course, the houthis, their rationale for targeting navigation in the red sea and the gulf of aden is that they believe they are helping the people of hamas by preventing ships from reaching israel, as israel pursues its war in gaza,
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fredricka. >> we'll leave it there for now. ben wedeman, kevin liptak, thanks to both of you. we'll see you next hour. let's get more analysis. joining me is cnn military analyst and retire air force colonel, cedric leighton. good to see you. what do you believe the message is the u.s. is sending with these strikes? >> well, fredricka, i think the message has several components to it, bit one of them is that we're telling the iranians that their proxies are entities that they're responsible for, so we're sending a message saying that these proxies have behaved badly and that their conduct was unacceptable when they killed those three american soldiers. and as a result, we're going after not only the proxies, but, also, as far as we can tell, elements of iranian intelligence and the iranian revolutionary guard as it's deployed into syria and iraq. so it will be interesting to see what the battle damage
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assessment actually is, how successful the attacks actually were. but the message to iran is one where, what we're trying to send, we can use weapons that at the moment have only been used outside of iran, but those weapons are also capable of going into iran should we feel the need to do so. >> so many analysts such as yourself prior to these strikes had said, after those three u.s. soldiers were killed, that the u.s. has to go at it very hard to respond to what happened. so how at this juncture does the u.s. retaliate without engaging in an all-out war in that region? >> yeah, it really has to be a calibrated sear ries of respons and what you're seeing right now is in essence the beginning phase of that response. it was a very hard-hitting attack, it might be the
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beginning of what i would call a mini air campaign, where you go in and you have a set of targets, basically have a target list that you go after, and it's done by importance, the kinds of things that you think are part of their command structure, logistical structure. when you look at where the strikes actually occurred, they're basically along the river valley both in syria and iraq and that is where there is a high concentration of these militias and, of course, the advisers from iran that are helping those militias. so that's the first phase. and as things move forward, sometimes these targets are going to be re-struck, but they're going to be done in a way that's methodical, systemic, with the idea of keeping these people in check. >> we're also learning that jordan is participating in this u.s. operation on iran-backed
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targets. what does that tell you about jordan's reported involvement, and might there be other neighbors who would also be assisting? >> that's going to be a questionable thing, whether or not other neighbors will assist jordan and the u.s. in this. but the attack on tower 22 occurred on jordanian territory, in jordan itself, and as a result of that, the kingdom of jordan feels it's important to protect their sovereignty, so that's the basic idea. the other nations i don't think are going to do that. >> colonel cedric leighton, we'll leave it there. thank you so much. and of course we'll have more on this breaking news at the top of the hour. thank you so much for joining me. i'm fredricka whitfield. "amanpour" is next.
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♪ welcome to the program, everyone. i'm christiane amanpour in london. there are ghastly wars raging here in europe and in the middle east, but we begin today by focusing on the greatest existential threat to humanity and the extraordinary people doing something about it. climate change is going to be top of the ballot for nearly half the world's population heading into elections this year. the leaders they choose will collectively decide the path we take, embracing meaningful action or subverting it. in the united states, voters look set to face two radically different views. president biden's, who signed the country's most sweeping climate legislation, and former president trump, who openly rejects climate change. a recent cnn poll found that there is bipartisan support for environmental action, with 73%
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of adults saying the federal government should design climate policies to cut greenhouse emissions in half by the end of this decade. last year was the hottest year on record. nasa has warned this year could be even hotter. the u.n. says governments are not doing enough to cut pollution and avoid catastrophic levels of global warming. so the stakes couldn't be higher. in a moment, i'll talk to someone who has been sounding the climate alarm for decades, former vice president al gore. but first, some good news. there are plenty of people right now trying to save our planet, and they are making a difference. here is cnn's chief climate correspondent, bill weir. >> reporter: these days it can feel as if some part of the planet is always burning, or flooding, or both in succession. but less obvious is the clean industrial revolution cranking up around the world, driven as
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much by profits as politics. wind and sun energy is now so cheap, the deep red state of texas creates more renewable energy than california. and with hundreds of billions of investment dollars pouring into clean tech, startups like antora hope revolutionly thermal batteries like this will power entire factories and move entire industries to the sun and wind belts. >> 1600 degrees celsius. so this is hotter than the melting point of steel and it's just a couple feet inside that shelf. >> i have a hard time explaining to my kids what nuclear fusion is, but this is just a hot rock in a box. >> exactly. >> reporter: in speed and scale, china is leading the transition at a staggering pace, spending almost as much in clean energy last year as the entire world invested in fossil fuels. science says it's not enough just to add clean energy, it must replace the dirty old kind.
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and since methane has over 80 times carbon dioxide, president biden halted the expansion of massive liquefied natural gas terminals in louisiana until the climate costs can be better understood, setting up a stark re-election rematch with the man one expert calls a climate arsonist. >> their windmills are causing whales to die in numbers never seen before. nobody does anything about that. >> reporter: the laws of physics do not pause for elections and the state of maine is among those places already reeling the changes. >> so this was what that was? >> yeah, the whole building. >> no way. that's what's left of it? >> just generations and generations of stuff and, you know, there's a lot of memory. >> reporter: two freakish storms devastated the lobster and fishing communities suffering effects of warmer seas. maine is also leaning into adaptation and mitigation with gusto. according to the nonprofit
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rewiring america, mainers are replacing old furnaces with more efficient heat pumps at a rate three times faster than the u.s. average. >> the climate action plan is among the most robust in the nation, so we're keeping eyes on places like this to see how people are adjusting to the new abnormal. >> now, al gore's documentary "an inconvenient truth" won two oscars in 2007 and he was awarded the nobel peace prize for raising awareness. former vice president al gore, welcome back to the program. can i start by asking you what you made of our correspondent, bill weir, and how you assess some of the hopeful solutions and what grassroots people and organizations are doing? >> well, first of all, thank you, christiane, for devoting the time and attention you are to this crucial issue. i remember when you were covering the earth summit back in 1992. i think bill weir is doing an
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outstanding job and i think he's got it about right. it's tricky to balance the dire warnings that the scientists have been trying to get us to listen to for a long time, and of course you know the scientists turned out to be spot on correct in what they warned about years ago. so we should pay for attention to the warnings they're issuing now. if we do not sharply reduce the burning of fossil fuel, the climate crisis is really a fossil fuel crisis, that's 80% of it. and we have this mandate now to transition away from fossil fuels. if we do not do that quickly, what the scientists are telling us is that things are going to get a lot worse and cause great havoc. but there's great hope. you have to balance the warnings with the fact that there is really good news, as bill says, people are working on it. but here is some good news from the scientists as well. once we reach true net zero and stop adding to the overburden of
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this heat trapping pollution that we're spewing into the sky every day, then the temperatures will stop going up almost immediately, with a lag of as little as three to five years. if we stay at true net zero, then half of all the human caused greenhouse gas pollution will come out of the atmosphere in as little as 25 to 30 years. the healing process can begin. the challenge, of course, is to stop using fossil fuels as quickly as possible, but there, again, there's really good news with the solar and wind and batteries and electric vehicles and green hydrogen is coming on now, online, and regenerative agriculture, which is one of the real keys, and sustainable forestry and circular manufacturing. the list is a long one. but investors and business leaders, particularly in the consumer-facing companies, where their customers are demanding it. and, by the way, the employees in these companies and the
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families of the executives, and some of the executive themselves, are saying, look, we've got to be a part of the solution instead of making the problem continually worse. >> you're also a politician. do you agree that this will be top of mind for voters, certainly young voters in the united states and around the rest of the world? >> well, i think there is a big generation gap on it, and young voters and, by the way, in the u.s. young voters in both political parties, large majorities, are demanding action on this. but as you know, christiane, the politics of climate have for decades been very challenging because it is, by nature, a global challenge and we're not always used to dealing with that kind of crisis. it plays out over time periods that are a little bit longer than election cycles and the next polling results, and as a result, it has been a challenge for both political parties.
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the republican party used to be part of the group searching for solutions, but we've now got a polarized situation in the u.s., which is tragic and unnecessary. but i'm hoping that the young people you referred to, particularly the young republicans, are beginning to heal that polarizing divide. >> i just want to ask you, james hansen, the nasa expert who was one of the first on climate warnings, has warned that unless there's some massively radical thing to happen very soon, the magic 1.5 degrees number will be surpassed. and there seems to be a struggle over the experts over that. where do you come down on that? >> well, i have the deepest respect for jim hansen and also for his colleagues who have a slightly different view. they agree on most things. you know, half of the calendar
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days in 2023 were actually above 1.5, and in november there were two days above a 2 degree margin above the preindustrial temperature. so, yes, we're running out of time to solve this in time, and we're running some unacceptably high risks with large global systems that are important for the flourishing of humanity that are being destabilized. so the sooner the better. the issue you're referring to is over how sensitive the climate is to more and more greenhouse gas pollution, and ultimately they agree on far more than they disagree. they're all saying the same thing, we've got to switch away from fossil fuels as quickly as possible and stop using the sky as an open sewer. that's the basic problem, we're putting 162 million tons up there every day and the accumulated amount, it stays on
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average, each molecule, for about 100 yards. the accumulated amount today, christiane, is trapping as much extra heat as wood being released by 750,000 hiroshima atomic bombs exploding on the earth every single day. it's insane for us to allow that to continue, particularly when we have alternatives available now that are cheaper, cleaner, create three times as many jobs per dollar invested. all we have to do, really, is so overcome the political power and influence of the fossil fuel companies, which have been trying to persuade people this is not such a big deal, and they're trying to extend their business plan and the petro states put up a lot of resistance. we are getting there and we will solve this. people should be of good hope on this. but the question is, will we
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solve it in time? we have to speed up this process. >> so stand by, mr. vice president, because there's also the political problem, not just in corporations, but actually in politics, particularly in the united states. we're going to discuss politics and the election year ahead. also ahead on the program, can congress really protect people from ai porn, after deepfake images of taylor swift flood social media.
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to catch repeat offenders and hold them accountable. vote yes on e. welcome back to the program. our continuing conversation with vice president al gore. mr. gore, we've talked a lot about climate and how leadership matters, truth and lies matter. this year is a year of elections all over the world, that most people, you know, in recorded history will be going to elections, including in your
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country. can i ask you then, because there's a lot of narrative in the air about biden, and a lot of sort of almost premature fatalism about a trump victory. what should they be saying to counter really trump, who is a bigger master of the public information space and the information wars? >> well, trump's mastery has been in doubt in the last couple of weeks with confusing nancy pelosi with nikki haley and confusing other things. and i think, you know, i don't want to get into talking about him. i respect his supporters and i think it's really important in this campaign season for people to maintain respect for his supporters. many of them are using trump as a vehicle to express their anger at how they don't think things have been going in the right direction. but to answer your question,
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christiane, i think that more and more people are just now beginning to wake up to the fact that things are beginning to go in the right direction. inflation has come down dramatically. the political influence is still there, but ten months from now, if the trend continues, inflation may not be an issue. employment is at all-time record high levels, the unemployment has been at record lows, inequality is being reduced. the wages are going up faster and the -- in the lowest income brackets. the presidency is a team support, christiane, and this team that president biden has recruited is one of the best, if not the best, i think, we have ever seen in the united states. and the president personally is the leader of that team. and i really believe that for those who have been feeling
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despair about his prospects, be of good cheer. in my time in politics, i ran for president twice, ran for vice president twice. one of the things that i've learned is that ten months is a long time. it's a mistake to look at polls almost a year before the election. by the way, even the polls are beginning to change in biden's favor. now, the cure for election despair is activism. the cure for climate despair is climate activism. by the way, you can do both of those things in the middle of april, the climate reality project is having a training in the javits center in new york city. anyone who wants to learn more about the causes and solutions for the climate crisis and ways to communicate better in case
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they want to get involved in the election season, whether they're democrats or republicans, or independents, go to climatereality.org and sign up. i'll be there spending three days with you and we'll have great people telling you about how you can become more knowledgeable and more skillful. >> finally, you're a former senator, as well as all of the other roles you've held. there is a group of old-style republicans, i guess i should put it, people like adam kinzinger, lynn cheney and others, who are quite anti-maga. k k kinzinger told me the party has become a joke, linking the issue of ukraine and the border is very bad and wrong. i just want to know what you think for the united states and the defense of democracy it means to hold up aid to ukraine as putin is literally just
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sitting there salivating waiting for that to dry up? >> it's incredible. winston churchill and franklin roosevelt, arthur vandenberg, the great republican senator who had the bipartisan support for our foreign policy in world war ii, they would be aghast at what's going on. and i have the deepest respect for the republicans that you mentioned, but let me also say, i have respect for some of the very ultra conservative republican senators today who have been negotiating a package to solve the border crisis and unlock the funding both for ukraine and for israel. they've done what our congress is supposed to do under the constitution, regardless of political and partisan differences, put the people's interest first. put the interest of the united states of america first. they've done that. and now donald trump says, no,
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no, don't do that, because the worse things are, the better my chances in the election. so don't solve this crisis. make it even worse. at one point he said he hopes there's a depression in the united states before the election. really? i mean, again, i have respect for his supporters, but i have to say in all sincerity, i hope that they will take a hard look at what's going on and listen to some of the ultra conservative republicans in the senate, particularly, in the house, who are saying, wait a minute, if you balance the interest of the united states of america against this petty political desire to have a disaster to enhance the election results, that's a pretty easy choice to make, isn't it? >> really interesting. vice president al gore, thank you so much, indeed, for joining
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us. and up next, ai pioneer mustapha suleyman is wrestling with how congress is trying to stamp out deepfake lies.
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welcome back to the program. it's one of the few things congress can actually agree on these days, criminalizing ai deepfake porn, which bipartisan senators are now working on after explicit images of taylor swift flooded the internet. we've been here before as regulators struggle to keep pace with new technology. ai disinformation like fake biden robocall telling democrats not to vote last month is making it impossible to know what's real anymore. but it also means we're starting to question what is true. joining me in the studio is
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mus mustafa sulliman, co-founder of deep mind, which google paid hundreds of millions of dollars for in 2014. he was in the room alongside other major tech players when president biden announced new ai safeguards at the white house last year, and his book "the coming wave" envisions an era of great prosperity and uncertainty. welcome to the program. 2023 has been the year of ai. everybody was focused on it. and by the large, people are worried about the elections, first and foremost, people are worried about knowing what truth is. what should we know right now after this year? >> i think naturally whenever we encounter a new technology, we initially feel anxious, we're sort of afraid. what are the benefits, how is this going to affect society, what does it mean for jobs and privacy and trust? they're all good questions to ask. but i think in the panic and the
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hype, perhaps, we're sort of losing sight of the very practical real challenges we have in just getting this to work, getting it to be useful, getting it widely available, making it cheap so that anybody can play with it and experiment. and i think that demonstrates that we can actually control these ai systems. we aren't at the mercy of them. this is not some technology that is taking place beyond us or outside of us. this isn't an emerging effect of life. this is a tool. this is something we make. these are real products that we have control. >> that is precisely what people worry about, that we eventually will not have control. you have no worries about that, even for, let's just say, the american election? we've already seen a fake robocall using a biden voice which wasn't his. that's scary stuff. nobody is controlling that. >> of course. new technologies bring new threats. there's no question about it. this is a new threat that we all have to grapple with. what does it mean for an ai to
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participate in the election process? we should not have that. for all of the weaknesses of the democratic process, democracy is for humans. chatbots, ai generated tools, these should not be allowed to participate in elections. the good news is that we have many, many choke points around which we can focus these kinds of policies. all of the big tech companies provide access to these services. and i think it should be an obligation on them. >> another thing that people are worried about, unions are worried about, is the loss of jobs to ai. the imf fund says the ai is set to affect nearly 40% of all jobs. where does that leave people? >> i think more than two-thirds of ceos interviewed a few weeks ago came to the same conclusion, that this is a labor replacing technology in the long term. over the next decade, it's going to be labor augmenting. it will make people smarter, more productive, more efficient
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with their time and more active in working in their office or organization. in the long term that same ai is going to learn to do tasks more effectively than a regular human, and that on its face should drive an enormous amount of value. that is good for everybody. we are going to see the most productive decade in the history of our species. we're able to do much more with less. the question is, how does that value get redistributed? >> it looks like president putin fully understands what's at stake. in his end of year presser, he demonstrated the dangers, and he had a sort of doppelganger ai version. he's saying, don't even think about imitating me, folks. how does that sit with you? >> unfortunately for him, he's got no chance because these technologies by default proliferate. they spread far and wide because they're useful and everybody demands them. and so people reproduce them in open source models, software and
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code that can be reproduced for free, copied and made widely available on the internet. and so unchecked, that is the default trajectory of this technology, and i don't think that we're in that moment right now. but i can certainly imagine a time in five years or ten years where these tools are just so powerful that, left unchecked, they could cause enormous instability. >> finally, i just want to know what you think about all the headlines about elon musk and his brain chip that was just implanted. is that just a vanity project or do you see that as useful? >> i think it's a pretty crazy project. i think it's pretty far out, and i don't expect to see any operational devices in the next ten years. but it's hard to say. over 20 or 30 years, it seems quite possible. we have tools around us all the time, hearing aids, glasses, we have continuous glucose
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monitors. we augment our body all the time, not to mention with drugs and so on. so you can imagine this happening in the long term. >> would you get your brain chip? >> not yet. i don't know. probably not for many, many decades. >> thank you so much for joining us. >> thanks so much. great to see you. when we come back, from my archive, with military aid for ukraine in limbo, we rewind to the supply struggles faced by the american soldiers i met in the first golf war. >> no parts, no roll.
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welcome back. now, we are all recall america and its allies vowing to stand by ukraine for as long as it took when russia launched its full scale invasion, now now, the situation is bleak. putin is ramping up attacks along the front line with congress in a political deadlock on military funding. time and ammunition are running out fast. let's rewind to 1990 in response to saddam hussein's invasion of kuwait. that was to repel hill. but despite the immense military mite, there were still frustrating supply issues for american soldiers i met before the war actually began. >> one, two, three. >> by the time the sun's up, the men are performing their early morning routine. the start of another day that it
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will be full of ups and downs. problems begin showing up at the morning meeting. these platoon leaders have just ended a night of security and reconnaissance training. they tell their commanding officer they're running out of basics such as batteries to power their night vision equipment. >>. >> we pointed that out to them, too. >> lieutenant bill owen complains that military supplies and spare parts aren't getting to the units fast enough. >> we've requested it and everything else. they say, yeah, yeah. >> lieutenant robert says it's plaguing every level of training here right down to individual weapons. soldiers see the sand wearing out their rifles but their spare parts haven't arrived yet. >> as a result, we go out there, try to use the weapon, it will not work. it will work for a few minutes then stop. it doesn't make it feel like we're combat ready.
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>> if there is combat, these ground forces will take the fire on the front lines. more than a month after being deployed, they have yet to train with live fire and they are still another month away from conducting combat maneuvers with their bradley fighting vehicles and m1 tanks. >> yeah. big time. it's important that we get our tracks out there and we're rolling with training. i need to have a feel for that and that only happens with time and experience. i don't have that now. >> the mighty m1s are supposed to be iraq's worst nightmare. they've never been battle tested and so far, they're desert training consists of checking their hydraulics. they won't move much because commanders won't risk it before they get the spares. same story with the bradleys. >> no parts, no roll. it's the bottom line. with our maintenance problems being so bad, that affects our training. >> four of this company's 14 are
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down so the soldiers wave happy when the first supply truck they've seen in weeks rolls in, but for mechanics working into the night, the new parts aren't always good. >> that he has got broken. >> while some soldiers anxiously watch and wait, others smile knowing they needed more than a day in the sun. >> u.s. deliveries ramped up as the threat of hussein became clearer and president bush back then like president biden today said the illegal invasion of a sovereign state would not stand. >> no justification whatsoever for this outrageous and brutal act of aggression. regime imposed from the outside is unacceptable. the acquisition of territory by force is unacceptable. no one, friend or foe, should doubt or desire for peace and no one should underestimate our
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determination to confront aggression. >> of course, those words echo now down the decades and perhaps repel republicans in congress who do well to remember these cautionary words when it comes to stopping putin in ukraine. don't forget, you can find all our shows online at cnn.com/podcast an on all other major platforms. i'm christiane amanpour in london. thank you for watching and i will see you again next week. to duckduckgo on all your devie
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