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not covered whether presidential records act. -- >> i have read the presidential records act, it also does not give trump the authority to take documents and keep them in a vault. >> this was a raid on mar-a- lago, caitlin, versus joe biden and think he will fully broke law but refusing to prosecute. >> selectively. that is my point. they did not hand over the documents -- just -- >> from joe biden's doj ordered by merrick garland not to prosecute against joe biden, even though it's basically found he willfully broke the law. on top of that, the reason why they are not prosecuting is because they say he is mentally unfit to put and pursue that. that is unheard of. it is selective prosecution. it is why people inherently know across this country, if -- biden or clinton, you get to live by defensive ross than every day average americans. >> i think hunter biden would disagree with that. i will note -- >> he got a sweetheart deal. let's talk about that. hunter biden --
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>> hunter biden was indicted, with a special counsel -- >> and got a sweetheart deal from joe biden's doj. >> i want to talk about you, because i think in a lot of your public appearances and comments, the resolutions that republicans are introducing on capitol hill that you are a part of, people want to know if you are discerning to be donald trump's vice president. have you handed over any documents or any vetting process with the trump team regarding that? >> i'm one of the top surrogates represented trump, i voted for president trump in 2016, i was proud to work with him. i've worked with him on impeachment defense team when the first witch hunt started against him, or were traded by the democrats -- and i am proud to be a top surrogate. i would patisserie for the future trump administration. we have a lot of, you have a lot of responsibilities in the house republican conference, chair and most importantly as the representative for new york's 21st congressional district giving a seat at the highest level. we are focused on issues that matter to the american people. the water crisis which is rich in coauthor country, as republicans best importer
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security bill. joe biden has a failed, in fact he has crossed this border crisis. >> also, i, mean if the republicans -- >> knew -- when he passed inward a bill, and you and i both know -- historically for a -- -- we got it done. -- joe biden opposed -- >> i want to talk -- about >> executive action -- and joe biden oppose that. >> right because there was trump-era immigration -- >> he wants a wide open port it which is what his executive actions caused. >> he said he was willing to shut the border down -- >> he has the executive authority -- >> you are -- >> no i'm not. i'm allowing you to say something that is factually not true. he is the executive authority right now to and catch and release. he has the executive authority right now. >> and congress has the ability to pass legislation. >> and we did. >> let's talk about vice presidency, because you said you and be willing to serve in an administration, had you been vice president on january six 2021, what would you have done?
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>> i stood up for the constitution. i believe -- >> as vice president? >> i would not have done what mike pence did. i don't think that was the right approach. i specifically stand by what i said on the house floor. and, i stand by my statement which was -- there was unconstitutional overreach. there was unconstitutional overreach in states like pennsylvania. i think was very important we continues to stand for the constitution and have legal and secure elections, which we did not have in 2020. and, the tens of millions of americans agree with me, kaitlan. >> i would say the supreme court and state of pennsylvania said that republican passed changes to their law was constitutional, but it is notable to hear you say given you are in the running to be the vice president, that you would have rejected those votes. come this election, when vice president harris is in that position, would you be okay if she rejected the votes of donald trump wins? >> listen, we need to make sure the election is constitutional -- we are talking about democrats, it was not, kaitlan. it was unconstitutional with circumventing state
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legislatures, union levy changing election. laura standby misstatement on the house floor. again, tens of millions of americans agree with that statement, and have questions about the validity -- >> because of a publicans or so and out -- >> not because the american people have questions on the constitution but -- let me say this for you, when it comes to this election, we are seeing the democrats trying to remove president trump from the ballot. that is not constitutional. that is not illegal and safe secure election. that is literally what is being discussed at the supreme court today. radical leftist can't stand the fact that donald trump continues to skyrocket in the polls, and joe biden continues to plummet. if you get outside of cnn and talk to hardworking american people like in my district or across this country, need wanted to see new leadership in president sharp and that is where he's going to win. >> you deleted a steamer on your website recently calling -- why was it deleted? >> i have online published it missed him the congress you can access on my previous statements. >> why was it deleted from your
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website? >> i only have they won some of the screen congress, all the statements are available since i was elected on multiple social media accounts. you can access it there just -- i have -- no, certainly not. i have press releases for this current congress, and the reality is, you as a journalist can go through all of my official social media accounts and find all of my previous statements. >> the lasting after ask you about, is you have referred to the january six defendants as hostages, as someone who was in israel for several weeks after october 7th and met with families of your hostages, don't you find that offensive? >> i have given those family members of hostages in israel, we have hosted him among house republicans, and we continue to stand up to make sure israel has the right to defend itself, and caitlin, you should be condemning the fact that the president of the united states called into question israel at his press conference today, meanwhile he misunderstood and confused a meeting with the president of mexico. i will continue to stand up for israel's right to defend itself, and yet you have a president of the united states
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who issued a veto threat. i stand when as they went, there and what people are seeing is an equal department of justice were on one hand you have blm violent -- jan answering my, question you are going off topic. >> in a persecuting, you have blm raiders who are not being prosecuted by the doj, and you have nonviolent individuals who were in the capitol on january, sixth but did not commit violent acts humming prosecuted by the doj being held. that is inherent -- that is inherently an american. >> the people who were, kidnapped. >> i try distinction by the doj, the fact that they refused to prosecute violent rioters during blm, and yet they have an unequal set of rules and go after non violent individuals on january 6th. cnn continues to struggle, because you have continued to fail to understand the american people's restoration with his two tiered said of justice in this country. >> i don't think there has to do with calling the -- that is doing a lot more than, that but that is what -- thank you for your. time >> kaitlan, thank you so much.
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>> and of course, just ahead, we will speak to the secretary of state of colorado, she is here to weigh in on what she heard in today's arguments.
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>> more now on what happened today in court with donald, trump at what it means foror th future of this case as the supreme court seems to be signaling that it is unlikely to allow the state of colorado to kick him off of its ballots. there are many other legal manners at large for donald trump of course, the question of whether the supreme court except the immunity appeal, his team is expected to file their emergency appeal by monday's deadline. also, the former criminal trials that away, tim here tonight colorado secretary of state janet creswell, also back with us, ashley, alston doug, elie honig. secretary, let me start with you, because we don't know how the supreme court is going to, rule or how soon, hopefully we will find out quickly on that. but what did you make of today's arguments and what we heard from people like trump's former attorney who believe it was actually a pretty effective day for him? >> i think it is a significant day for democracy, we are at the supreme court, just absolutely from the united states capitol where congress people ran for their lives, where we saw our nation
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assaulted and democracy under attack, and it was so striking to me to see trump continue to lie, to lie about his role in the insurrection, to continue to argue he is above the constitution and above the law, so i hope the justices see through his lies, and recognize that states have historically been able to keep disqualified candidates off of our ballots. >> but they seem to be making the argument, justice kavanaugh specifically, when it comes to democracy, the reverse, of that thing that allowing these states to make -- problematic is the courts focus on politics. their focus on the role of one state to citing a presidential election. but alternately elections are within the states jurisdiction to run, and just like we wouldn't put non natural born citizen on the ballot, we also believe that both new insurrectionists are not
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qualified. >> ali, what was your thought of that given the arguments he heard also from a plaintiff. >> i wonder if you picked up on what i picked up listening to the argument, it sounded to me like the justices were saying, this insurrection disqualification is different than -- age or residency or natural born status, you cause the other three are readily ascertainable, usually whereas the question about whether someone engaged an insurrection is highly variable, and can change a lot state by state. they seem to have a concern without i wonder what you thought of that line of questioning? >> you know, honestly, insurrection is not something we see every single day, some of the attorneys argue it is an extraordinary event, and it is. i think the justices were indicating that our legal systems do not work, that rogue secretary of state will be able to basically throw tantrums and scream insurrection to keep candidates off the ballot. i just don't think that is how it would play out. ultimately, just like in
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colorado, we had a five-day trial at district court, there was an appeal to the colorado supreme court, now we have the united states supreme court. the justices have all the ability in the world to clearly define what an insurrection is. but that does not, i would say, i would argue, allow them to pretend that section three of the 14th amendment does not exist. it is there to protect the country from insurrectionist taking office, it is there for the situation with donald trump. >> was there any concerns, you secretary, or is it any concern to you that colorado is the centrally alone among the states in the having -- insurrection and should be disqualified, sort of your colleague and has made that decision is not of importance, but there are been two dozen or so of these challenges rejected in these states and swing states. does it concern you that colorado is sort of -- >> know, because honestly, it is not a typical for states to have different candidates on the ballot. outside of this question about
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donald trump, this presidential primary will have a candidate who is not a natural born citizen on some ballots, and not on other states ballots like colorado. we said the person is not qualified, he is not on our ballot. so i think that is a typical thing in election administration, and on top of that, i'm going to push back a bit on your premise, some of the courts that did not disqualify donald trump did not even look at the question. and again, in a federalism, it is up to them. >> you're talking about standing, just a quick question -- >> getting the case on political reasons, it is a political question. we are not going to adjudicate. >> some of donald trump's 2020 election challenges are based on the same basis however. real quick, your primary, speaking for primaries, do you think it is important for the voters of colorado that they get an answer from the supreme court -- excuse me march. >> absolutely and on top of that our ballots go out next week we are a vote by mail for
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all state. we have early voting job axis galore i think it is important that voters know that a vote for donald trump is going to count. i also think it is important for the american public to note whether an insurrectionist can take the highest office again. >> i wonder what you think of, this because she referenced there the politics of the court is taking into account. obviously they have waited until many politically filed cases, i think justice clarence thomas is the only one on the bench was there during the 2000 bush v. gore. i wonder what you make of how they are considering and looking at it through that lens? >> that was my first election i ever voted in. so it was disappointing to see the supreme decide what i feel like the outcome of an election. and surprisingly, i might be in agreement with tonight, my republican colleague here, i don't actually want the court to make this decision to take him off the ballot. i think that it will divide our
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country. do i think he is an insurrectionist, absolutely. i think the american people should stand up and say we don't want, him know, unfortunately the republican party is not, there he likely will be the nominee, but that is why it is so important that he is defeated in november, because i don't think an insurrectionist should have hold the highest office. i'm just afraid of what will happen if he is removed, and his base, and they have already said threatening things. donald trump and himself has not said he will try to stop the violence if people got upset when after the last time he was in court in new york. >> remarkable to hear -- someone who is on the shortlist, may not ultimately be picked it to be trumps this president candidate, if you, ends say she would not have done what mike pence, did she would have locked legitimate credible votes that, they rejected peoples valid votes when she is certifying a ceremonial role. >> i think we have learned one thing about donald trump, and
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ronnie mcdaniels this week is that loyalty to trump is a one- way street, and donald trump does not give points, he only takes them away one at a time. so you have to say whatever trump, whatever the latest trump answer, is you go that, route you go that route to stay as long -- >> even if it is unconstitutional? >> that is the deal you have made with. yourself look, every movie book and play that we have seen on this topic tells us when you make a deal with a, devil it comes with a price. now has been a price in not of people have paid so, far and obviously others me pay that price. >> did that surprise? you just, i'm still thinking about that moment, she just openly acknowledge that -- >> my last conversation with her was in 2016, she said we have to stop donald, trump is terrible. obviously she like a lot of republicans have seen the light, or changed their tune however you want to define it, but nothing about that surprises me. this is where the center of gravity for the republican party is now. it is unfortunate, but that is
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reality. >> it is not, surprising we literally saw an issue that for president after president after president, people have said we need to solve, we have gotten so close not that the bill who was proposed red immigration this week we have solved the whole immigration problem, but we got so close and the most conservative bill possible, and donald trump calls and says nope. it is over. so that is the what we are living in right now. that donald trump is literally the puppet master around all of these folks who are just looking for political future, not for people. >> everyone, standby. coming up next here on cnn, back to breaking, news and to the white house to hear what they believe how president biden's impromptu news conference went tonight. cnn's mj lee is there, she will join us alongside -- right after a quick break.
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>> mister president, for months when you are asked about her age, you would respond with the words watch me. well many american people have been watching, and they have expressed concerns about your age -- >> that is your judgment. that is your judgment. that is not the judgment of -- >> the express concerns about the -- mister president, in the summer you told me that there are many other democrats who could defeat donald trump, so why does it have to be you now? what is your answer? >> on the most qualified person in this country, because the united states -- >> mj lee joins us now are you hearing anything from white house or official sources with the biden campaign about how they thought that press conference went? >> yes, you, no one white house official was actually just texting me, no one can say that isn't a man in command after that press conference. they do generally tend to like it when the president has sort of fired up, they think it shows his strength, but anderson, i think it is clear that he was fuming about this
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investigation, so the conclusion that it true, the way was, conducted some of the questions that robert hur asked, you saw the president get particularly worked up when he talked about being asked about the death of his son, saying that is none of your business. what does that have to do with all of this? he clearly also just does not appreciate the fact that the report basically said he was an elderly man with memory issues. you saw him get very defensive saying that his memory is just fine. he said i know what -- the i'm doing. i think they are very aware that if he repeated references in this report to the president having memory issues, recall, issues they are just going to fuel critics who have raised questions about his, age has mental acuity, and you saw there in that exchange when i started asking about that concern, shared by american voters, he immediately cut in and said that is my opinion, to be clear that is not my opinion, that is something that
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we see consistently in public polling, but yeah i think there's also the moment where the president did not do himself any favors by mixing up who the president of egypt's. he made a reference to the president of mexico. so all in all i think the white house clearly wanted to get him out, there wanted him tuesday in his own words a defense of what was in the report, i think we got just that. >> i'm julie, thank you. gentlemen our cnn political commentator david, urban also cnn senior political commentator for the obama administration -- did the president do himself any favors? >> look, that wasn't the joe biden at his best, but listen you had donald trump between nikki haley and nancy pelosi, people make those mistakes, and those kind of things happen. i think the more important thing people will remember tonight is that the supreme court doctors opportunity and responsibility to stop this insurrection from being able to take advantage of the
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situation. barack obama had sent 10,000 black man to destroy the capitol and attack a joint session of congress, barack warmer would be in jail. he would be and guantanamo right now. we would not be talking about barack bomber. we should not be talking about on the, time he should face the same justice anybody else would in this country, that is the real story tonight. >> david, what is the real story tonight? >> wow. i usually agree with -- we kind of agree on some things. this one we are 100 in 80 degrees out. the story tonight is that joe biden is -- america sees it. the special counsel wrote about it. he said, only talked about this before, but for the fact that he is in order muscled man with a bad memory, probably the would have recommended charges. but they felt that a jury would -- they also said -- it is one of the reasons -- the factory cooperated whistles the thumb thing -- okay, but he goes on
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out of the press conference and says, there was no classified materials disclosed, when he is on tape talking about disclosing classified materials. i mean, look, where more damage. >> this, in the air for the qualification you are going to stand by is how will people put themselves when it comes to being smart, and honest about legal situations, i think donald trump should be read off the map. listen, joe biden did not do anything remotely as bad as donald trump. donald trump took, stuff stall stuff, hid, stuff lied about it. biden turned the stuff over directly. that is why is not being prosecuted. again, this also -- between a joe biden who is a law abide, or joe biden who is confident, is running the country right now, versus donald trump has marinelabs a everybody else in that age group, but also as an insurrectionist and steal stuff. it is ridiculous. >> i would encourage all of the viewers to go read the document, read it yourself,
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maybe turn to page 61 were junior military officer working for the vice president at the time, says i do not feel comfortable with the classified material contained in the notes, please do not involve mean anything going forward with this project. she said, i can't argue because they're merging officer. people clearly knew things were going wrong here, and they wanted to get themselves out of the blast zone. this is going to get worse before it gets better. >> so, the president obviously, look, you know, he is three, is he is the a.g.'s. the way he speaks through his, speaks or misspeak sometimes -- what does this campaign look like to you between these two men? >> i don't think most americans want to see this matchup. we have said it over and over again, the vast majority of americans do not want to see donald trump and joe biden -- both, three parts, evan the -- nobody wants to see this. it is where we are. i have to tell, you if joe biden focuses on what he has
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been able to accomplish, which is right now if he were to retire right now, he would be on mount rushmore when you look what is done a climate, on the side of this economic tailspin, if you look uneven stuff you forget about marriage, equality and tee -- you go down the list, the accomplishments of joe biden, the nearest of majorities is extraordinary. if you look at where he is trying to take the country versus where trump was to take the country, with his revenge, store's promise of a dictatorship, there is no contest. >> david, how do you see it? >> i was going to say, unfortunately the polling does not show that. the polling does not show right check around, check americans believe the country is on a run check. they believe they are worse off now than they were four years ago. -- presidential all-time low. >> because donald trump -- listen i think you would be surprised. i think you might disagree with me on this, i think some of this rhetoric around trickster festered it with a level of chaos people feel, and fear
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people feel that there is a part of the country that comes to be going off the rails in some kind of an almost cult like warship of somebody who has 91 felony charges and looks like a runaway train towards the white house. so i think some of the discontent in the country isn't a brother sitting president, it is about fear of the potential of a next president. >> i think you are misreading that part. i think there are 75 million americans plus that feel the country is on the wrong track because of the current occupant of the white house, not a previous occupant. >> biden was obviously criticized for his handling of the classified document in a special counsel report, the special counsel was a former trump appointee also said, what former president trump did was worse. so i know you are saying this is bad for biden, but is it really a game politically for the former president? >> anderson, by the way -- if he could stand trial for this? >> right, if you are keeping score on the legal merits, i think it is a wash. the american voters are going
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to say, it is going to be an equivalent here. there was a biden had documents, people said it was bad. with this report really shines a light on, is the fact that you see the current president now remembering key dates, not necessarily the situation with his son, but when he became vice president. was that vice president? then he asked the special counsel. those are really significant milestones. >> was there a reason to put those details -- look, in conversations -- when did i start at cnn? i think it was lake in 2001 -- >> anderson, i do believe there is a reason he put them in their. i think you put it in there to support his claim that one of the reasons i am not recommending there be charges but when the president leaves, is because his lack of memory now is pretty bad. it will be even worse than a year or so from now when he is not president. so one of the reasons i'm not recommending a prosecution rod,
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he will be seen as a nice kind order gentlemen with bad memory. he says it clearly. >> it may be seemed a little bit -- madame stunning, here this is some kind of bizarre nightmare that looked like a black mirror episode where we are sitting here talking about a president who is literally doing the job right now, the country seems to be functioning. meanwhile, the supreme court apparently is going to dak out of the opportunity to do their job. the supreme court by the way that when it comes to women's rights -- happy to throw precedent in the original tech hundred million, women take notice to the off campus, this voting rights away from people, clean water but when it comes time to disenfranchise one guy who is the clear insurrectionists, they are running for the exits. donald trump is going to be chicken --
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>> i know opinion. >> riel -- most people seem to agree with that. looking ahead at the supreme court argument, skepticism exhibited towards colorado's case and how they -- we will see. we will talk to others ahead in a moment.
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can it help us sleep better and better? please? sleep number does that. 94 percent of smart sleepers report better sleep. now, save 50% on the sleep number limited edition smart bed. plus, free home delivery when you add an adjustable base. during today's supreme court argument, justice alito spoke of the potential consequences of siding with colorado. the former ballot in that state, but in all 50 states. >> i don't see what is gained by using this term which is used in different contexts rather than directly addressing what is involved here which is the question of who can enforce section three with respect to a presidential candidate. the consequences of what the
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colorado supreme court did, some people claim, would be quite severe. would it not permit, would it not lead to the possibility that other states would say using their choice law, rules and rules on collateral that there is non mutual collateral against former president trump and the decision of the colorado supreme court could effectively decide his question for many other states, perhaps all other states. could it not lead to that consequence? >> i'm joined now by jeffrey toobin former federal prosecutor and author of countless bestsellers, i'm hoping he knows what collateral means, including inside the book the nine inside the circuit court of the supreme court, also -- former trump communications white house communications director. so, jeff, what was alito's point? >> in terms of the argument
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itself, jason marie represented colorado. i would say his argument was somewhere between a calamity and a disaster. it was everything he was telling they were not buying. he did not do a bad job, it is just that every argument, whether trump was covered under section three of the 14th amendment, whether colorado had the right to do this. whether colorado had used the right procedures. the argument that justice alito is making, there it is related to an argument chief justice roberts made at another time which was what happens with other states? do other states feel they are bound by colorado and they have to throw trump off the ballot? that is what alito meant by collateral. justice chief roberts made the, point what happens when red states start to throw biden off the ballot? is that the kind of arms ways we want? i thought maybe justice sotomayor votes for colorado,
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but it looked like a -- and what it means in real terms, is donald trump is going to be on the ballot in 50 states period. >> and that is the gist of it. i think it is important that this decision come down quickly, but more important that the question over presidential immunity comes down quickly. i think that the country is in a bit of denial we are having the rematch that nobody wants, seven in ten americans did not want a trump versus biden rematch, but that is the simple reality right now. voters have a right to know, first we need a case to move forward with -- until we have this immunity decision. they deserve to know before election day if he is a convicted felon. there is a possibility, with all the delay tactics he can, that they very well may not. i would also, say there's also a possibility donald trump could be a convicted felon and still win. i think we have to be overnight to the weaknesses of both of these two major candidates. >> the immunity case -- >> stop about. that >> decided by the d.c., circuit or this, week it all happened so fast, that is in many
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respects more important in this case. even if somehow colorado one, the only states that would be throwing him off worst states trump wasn't going to win anyway. immunity could decide whether donald trump goes on trial -- >> so what are the steps on that? >> next week the supreme court is going to have to decide whether they issue a stay, and that is really almost more important than the outcome of the ultimate appeal. >> if the issue is day, that means -- >> that means that judge chutkan who is presiding in washington, depending on how the stays, written but it probably means that she can't do anything until the supreme court decides the case which would probably be june. then, it really becomes possible especially if trump is tried in new york, as it looks like he will be on march 25th, to -- >> given the gravity of it, sooner than june --
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>> they take their time. they do not rush. >> keep in mind at the political calendar as, well july is obviously the republican convention. there's always these tendencies do not want to pursue things in their highly political season. if this does not move, quickly it very well -- >> before we leave the supreme court, just one more point we haven't talked about, yet what in the world was clarence thomas doing here in this case? his wife was intimately involved in the issue of insurrection which is -- was the subject of this. the fact that he has not recused himself, the fact that no one can do anything about that because basically the supreme court has said unless you want to impeach us, we are free to do whatever we want. it is an outrageous that he did not recuse himself. >> it is remarkable the standards the supreme court house for themselves. they apparently can receive vans and chips, and all sorts of gifts. >> it is the honor system. >> thank you so much.
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coming up, another huge political story, tonight a third official contest in the republican presidential race is underway right now. nevada's 26 delegates -- john king breaks it down for us next.
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nikki haley got a lot of grief this week when she came second and a one person race, that was the nevada republican primary, tonight is this the caucus which is currently underway where there are actually delegates at stake. two different races, i should, note nikki haley is not on the ballot tonight, former president donald trump. as state party rules there for bad candidates from being in both. john king is here to break down that confusion, and the caucus you could understand that. john, can you explain how republicans got here and what you are watching for tonight? >> all right, so let's explains the race first in general. the big race. these particular audience, let's call it that in about. we have iowa that is, trump no matter that is, trump used to or know that hasn't happened in modern times. the polls close at 10:30, so
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little bit more than 30 minutes from now the caucuses will close and we should expect to get results pretty quickly. 26 delegates, take if you go back to where we are the race for the nomination can be about two things -- delegates trump has that. we are early right now, 26 delegates at stake tonight in nevada, trump is expected to get all of. them so he will have that, you mentioned tuesday, let's just go back and look at. if there were no delegates at stake here. donald trump was not on the ballot. it was nikki haley versus none of the above. none of these candidates. she says it was meaningless, and it was in terms of the map, in terms of the other thing is talking, about momentum, she helped you see this fill in yellows as you could say their voters out there who want me to be president of the united states. so, this no doesn't affect any delegate, mouth but it does -- if you come back to where we are, now one, two, three. donald trump puts the first three, wins the first three. then we go to south carolina. then what does nikki haley do from there? on the flip side, joe biden
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lost the first three. then he won south carolina. republican races are different. the times are different. however if you are nikki haley, donald trump is three and, oh knew better when. >> so what does that mean if donald trump is getting these delegates tonight? how much harder does that make that path for nikki early who is still in this race to get the nomination? >> she is raising a lot of money, kaitlyn, she says she will stay in the rate of regardless of what happens in south carolina. let's take on a day-to-day basis, your covid campaigns, you know how it works. go back in time to 2016, remember donald trump's new on the scene then. he still won 44 of the 46 south carolina counties. you see marco rubio, there marco rubio down here. i'm just back from a trip to south carolina, the late nikki haley, but they love donald trump. that is her problem. >> and so what is her -- you are in south carolina, you are talking to voters as you have been for the last several weeks, what is next for her? >> again, can she pull it off
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here? the biggest challenge, to challenge, she has to convince a lot of people who are planning to vote for donald, trump least onto, that reconsider, i'm more electable. he has chaos. all of those things -- can she do this in the state where she was mourn when she was twice elected governor, the challenge she hasn't been on the ballot in ten years. donald trump has won south carolina three times since, that the 2016, it 20 2016 general election, 2020 general election. can she convince enough people to change their mind? or kaitlin, she says she is trying to, do get democrats and independents to flood the south carolina primary. it is mathematically possible, historically it has never happened. if you go zero and four, back to the 2024 map, if you go -- one, two, three, four. yes she says she will go to super tuesday, but yes she has the money, but it is donald trump's party. you have to prove it isn't. the only way to prove that is by winning. >> john king, thank you. the news continues right here
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