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news. house speaker mike johnson about the hold a second vote to impeach the homeland security secretary, alejandro mayorkas after his humiliating failure to do that successfully just a week ago. so does he have the votes tonight and we are less than two hours from polls closing in the critical special election replace congressman george santos, seat that democrats are saying they feel competent about flipping tonight, we'll see, plus it could end trump's business empire as we know what enforce the former president to pay a $370 million penalty, new details in that judge's ruling coming in this hour. let's go outfront and good evening. >> i'm erin burnett outfront tonight. we begin with the breaking news. these are live pictures of the house floor. you can see a vote count coming in in just a few moments. the republican led house of representatives is hoping to avoid a second humiliating defeat. they are once again going ahead with a vote to impeach the homeland security secretary, alejandro mayorkas yes so what you're seeing now is an earlier vote. we will tell you as these votes

rollover and we begin formerly the vote for the impeachment. it takes place exactly one week after house speaker mike johnson first put the bill on the floor. he lost by two votes, 214 to 16, and it was an embarrassing defeat. tonight. mike johnson is scrambling to save face rushing a second impeachment vote just days after the house majority leader steve scalise returned to washington following his treatment for blood cancer. but that is not the only reason that johnson is scrambling to hold this impeachment vote. now he's frankly racing against the polls closing in tonight, special election here york. if the democrat wins, johnson does not have the votes to impeach mayorkas. and those polls closing just two hours. so this special election is taking place to replace the replace the expelled republican congressman george santos. and just to be clear here, this one is a complete toss up at this time, incredibly tight. >> and it is the crucial win for speaker johnson. how it will go is totally unknown because voting today actually happened during a snowstorm

that actually brought parts of the district their most substantial snowfall in seven years. so here's the math. if tonight's impeachment vote fails, and the democrat tom suozzi wins in new york and all the other mayorkas impeachment vote stay the same than johnson would be looking at a tie. the speaker would have to 16 to 216. and that means the impeachment motion would fail. that would add up to another failure for johnson unless he's got the numbers to just barely pushed through a partisan impeachment vote against mayorkas. tonight. manu raju is outfront. live on capitol hill to begin our coverage. manu, these two stories dovetailing inextricably tied together at this hour, what's the latest you're learning from members and sources you've been talking to there about how this vote is expected to go. it is obviously expected to begin in just a few moments yeah. >> well, right now, the house republican leadership is looking intently on the number of absences that of members who may not have made it back for this vote typically, they don't hold these huge votes.

he's hugely significant votes on days that members are flying back into town because a lot of members could get delayed. they can ms flights. and in this razor thin republican majority, any single absence could essentially derail their efforts. and that's why they are looking at this very, very closely right now, is a first vote takes place as they move on it later in the vote series to try to impeach alejandro mayorkas. there is no margin for error for the speaker of the house. he's already lost three republican votes were piled to vote against. and members who believe that this is setting up damaging precedent in the house should not be going down this route. the question will be, if someone unexpectedly he shows up and if forces the speaker to once again changes plans and that could be ultimately could scuttle the effort ultimately, especially in new york and tom suozzi, the democrat, wins tonight, ultimately is sworn in before another vote were to happen. that could would essentially prevent them from impeaching mayorkas despite more than a year of trying. now, i just caught up with the

number two, number three, republican and the house side, tom amara, he told me that he quote, we have the votes, but then i asked him about those potential absences. he said they've been told that members we're going to be here are expected to be here, but it certainly cannot say that with 100% certainty. so air and we will be watching this vote very, very closely. the nov. the people who are not showing up. and whether that changes the calculations at all. but even if this does pass, aaron democrats in the senate. so they point to quickly dismiss these charges once they come over their charging the homeland security secretary with high crimes and misdemeanors, right? >> absolutely. it as you point out, no one who's going maybe absent, also potentially coming up to the weather that he does so disrupted travel across the northeast throughout the entire day, affecting where you are manu and this vote and affecting the vote and who may win in this crucial special election in new york. so we're going to keep going back to manu here because as i said, these votes are starting, they're doing a couple of procedural runs for the speaker to try try to ascertain whether he has the votes for the big

the big central vote here, which is the impeachment vote on mayorkas. and as these votes happen, we're going to be covering that live in these coming moments. now, republicans are trying to thread a needle tonight, a pension to put, attempting to push this impeachment vote before the special election in new york tonight is action surely called, and that's going to happen here over this next hour or two. that election could put another democrat in the house. that democrat would vote against impeaching mayorkas. and of course it would fail if it comes to that polls close here shortly in new york, miguel marquez is outfront at the democrat tom suozzi, his campaign headquarters and woodbury, new york. that is on long island and miguel, you been covering this race since the very beginning. so when you're standing there now and you've been there today through the snowstorm. and now whether obviously has cleared what does turn out look like and who seems to have the momentum? >> turnout was very, very low this morning and it's certainly picked up in the afternoon right now between the early votes and the absentee votes

and de of votings, democrats are up maybe by about 10,000, but it's not clear how many of those votes those democratic votes we'll switch over and vote for republicans also not clear how many republicans will be switching over to vote for a democrat. that's where tom suozzi hopes in a few hours time to make the announcement that he has won this district. again, remember he won this isn't pre times. i want to walk out here though, because the big story today was the weather here in town and this is crest hollow country club, which is a big country club in the center of long island. and the weather at this point has cleared substantially. and polls are still open for two hours. we have seen the numbers start to climb in this election as the roads have been cleared and as the weather has improved. here's to voters whose to told us how they voted today >> i voted for tom suozzi. and why is that? >> i mean, he represents glencoe and i'm pro-choice

proven politician. he has decades of experience and i think he's the right move. >> i voted for on maasie for maasie. and do you mind if i ask you why i'm pro-life new york is already out balance because it's way more democrat. and in washington, we need balance >> so because things are so perfect and clear, tom suozzi is, he's been working. the district has afternoon trying to get people to go out to vote. now, the numbers appear to be going up at this this point. they were very, very low as morning concerning many republicans here, but this may be a real squeaker that we've been saying that for some time now, but with the low turnout today, we will see if it picks up throughout the night, another two hours to go but this one may not be called tonight, tomorrow, or even by the end of this week all right. >> miguel, thank you very much. and bruce blakeman with me now, the republican executive of nassau county in new york,

jamal simmons, also former communications director for the vice president, kamala harris, harry enten, our data reporter and shermichael singleton, republican strategist. okay, so thanks to all bruce, let me start with you going through these numbers because this race is crucial and matters to the balance of power overall. and then of course, in the specific moment we're in now, it may be, it may be the vote that determines the mayorcas situation, whether he's impeached, what do you see in terms of turnout? i'm just doing quick math here. and it looks like you had in nassau county where you're from at least up until 06:00 p.m. now we do have two hours of voting here. but about 11,500 more republicans voting than democrats in person today. but obviously in the early vote, democrats did significantly better than republicans. >> yes. so basically, we got off to a slow start. republicans like to vote on election day, democrats like devote and early voting so we got off to a slow start, but the numbers are really increasing very quickly. there are two hours left, and i'm

optimistic. i think that maasie is going to pull it out in the last two hours. >> jamal, how do you see it? what are you hearing? >> well, first of all, this is a republican leaning district. i think everybody i talked to you today, talked about chuck schumer lost this district in his last campaign you know, president biden had won it. but biden, biden now is at about 33%. he's like in the low '30s and down trump's maybe about ten points and 11 points ahead of them. and some of the polling that i'm hearing about. so it's a district that should, that republicans should be able to win this district. now, people feel good about what happened in the early vote so the numbers should be okay today. but the question is, who shows up on election day and that the republicans do show up on election day this is going to be a one-point race, where two-point race, one way or the other answer, michael, when i'm looking at the numbers that we have here from both early voting and in-person. >> there's this >> one category. >> first of all, queen section of this district. i mean, i guess we gotta get, you gotta get into detail here they tell you how many people have voted, but they don't tell you anything about their party

affiliation. and then they also have a category of no party affiliation. and if you take that total number, you're looking at 16:17 thousand votes. all of that is way bigger than any margin between democrats and republicans that we know of. right now >> yeah, no, that's that's a great point, erin, i reached out to a couple of individuals, republican strategists who are familiar with the politics. one actually lives in nassau county and i asked a said, what are you hearing on the ground and he's gave me a very interesting response. he said some of the more affluent individuals that he's worked within the past, they've fund raise, hell hold fundraisers for candidates. they were not leaning towards maasie. and the reason that they gave air and was because they stated they wanted someone who they believe would go to washington to govern. however, when you talk to other individuals who were maybe on the lower end of the economic spectrum, they were leaning towards maasie in part because of the immigration issue. and he said, one particular lady told him that she was worried that there were not enough resources for her everyday struggles, yet there were resources for new people

coming into the country. and i thought that was an interesting dichotomy. >> yes. and you do you do hear that frustration >> in new york where you've obviously had a hundreds of thousands influx, a bruce. >> what about that point though? oh, that there are some and he made michael's making the point that it is economically, economic spectrum here, but that some are saying they actually want someone who's going to govern. and that that is not in her favor. >> well, biden is wildly unpopular right now, so i think that that's a very important issue in the district because tom suozzi has 100% voting record with joe biden. he couldn't think of one bill that he different with joe biden. so i think that's going to hurt him. i think the blanks and the independence are trending republican. and if maasie gets 60% of their vote, she will win. and some of the modeling i've seen as shown that she could get 60% of that vote and then again, there are a lot of democrats that are dissatisfied with their party they are anti-immigration, they

are against the open border policy and if if tom suozzi doesn't do very well there, he will lose. so i think there's a lot of variables here, but again, i think the next two hours are going to decide the race because if the turnout continues at a high level mazi all when right. >> and as you point out, the next two hours really could decide it because you had in some places the greatest snowfall in seven years when people were not voting earlier, they weren't able to get out. >> harry, when your point on this immigration was a point, i think very clearly but also abortion was another point that i'm one of those voters. and i live in the district. i live in the media market. i saw a lot of these tv ads and it basically was immigration versus abortion with suozzi, with a little bit more and i've heard this from people who are close to the campaign, suozzi with a little bit more, i can work together with everyone in washington. so he was making this point about being able to the govern that he is somebody who can work with everyone hear there are some who say you look at special elections as canaries in the coal mine about where things will go. so when you look at it in that context,

what do you say? >> yeah, i mean, look in the special elections that have taken place since 2023, we see that democrats have in fact, when winning the vast majority of them, 59% of the special elections for state legislature and for congress. and that kind of lines up with generally what we're seeing democrats for pushing an abortion message, which does seem to be getting democrats out. and it's not just that compare what democrats are doing versus the 2020 baseline of joe biden. what we see is democrats have been outperforming joe biden's performance in these individual districts by about two points on average. now, obviously new york's third district is a weird district that's kind of gone back and forth. remember joe biden did carry that district back in 2020, right? so if these previous patterns have held, it'd be good for democrats going into this evening. all right. all stay with me because the breaking news coverage continues here because the house in just moments is set to go ahead with that vote, vote again on impeaching the homeland security secretary 100 mayorkas after failing the first time. so we're going to bring you that vote count live from the floor as it happens. plus president biden tonight ripping into trump and trump's

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>> the special election to replace george santos, mind tonight, starting at 08:00 p.m. eastern >> and we're back with the breaking news. members of congress are voting now for a second time on whether to impeach the homeland security secretary mayorkas. these are live pictures from the house floor on your screen right now, republicans say they think they have the votes to get this passed. and the vote tallies that you see here reflect the actual vote in the impeachment. manu raju is back with me on capitol hill. so mano, as we watch this vote tally move, what's the latest you're hearing? >> yeah, there is confidence among the top house republicans that they do indeed have the votes to impeach each alejandro mayorkas in large part because of the number of absences that's going to affect the total number of votes here that they can afford to lose because it requires a majority of people who are actually present and voting and all day long, there have been concerns about some members simply not being able to show up to vote, but in the previous two votes that just occurred on the house floor, there have been essentially for members are missing least in the last vote, two republicans, two democrats, that does not affect the vote

tally. and there are three republicans right now at the moment who have voted against it. that is all speaker johnson can afford to lose. so if another republican would vote, no, that'd be nice.

then republican majority had there been that democrat tom suozzi, who was on the ballot tonight? they would not have had the votes to impeach the alejandro america is, but tonight they did on the 200 14 to 213 vote, moving on something that they have been working on for pretty much the past year, something that legal scholars really in both parties have questioned the whether or not this was deserved for the homeland security secretary, but one in which republicans say that because of his handling and

things that he had sent to congress was enough to charge him with a high crime or misdemeanor. now, erin, there will be a number of procedural things that will happen over the next several days, one of which is exactly send the two articles of impeachment over from the house dovere to the senate. and then i senate will have to make a decision on how to proceed here. the senate generally has can make its own rules pulls on how to deal with impeachment trials. but one of the things that they can do is buy a simple majority, simply vote to dismiss this altogether. and democrats or 51, 49 senate, and there's an expectation that all democrats will vote dismiss it as an end. this completely something that democrats call a charade, a farce and an a hoax as in the words of democrats here. but nevertheless, a very significant move by the house republicans after failing to move forward last week due to absences and miscalculation by the speaker of the house. now, mike johnson has the votes they have just impeached alejandro mayorkas. now, the actions over to the senate and a matter of few days or weeks matter. >> let me just ask you though,

as you as you lay this out, it goes over to the senate, the articles and i obviously people may remember when this happened with president trump, right? there was a group who walked the articles over. there's a process. they walk over now, if they are dismissed, as you're saying it is, it is virtually certain that they will be i understand there's a timeframe that that would happen under, but then what does that mean for the house if they're just outright dismissed by the senate, are there can you walk through whether there's hearings or not or what the house is gonna be doing with its time it's over, aaron once they're done, once the senate acts, it is done and denoted has kicked to convict. of course, you need two-thirds majority to do that, and there's absolutely no chance that would happen the senate, given that there's no democrats who supported this in the house to haunt, not going to be expecting any democrats to support this in the senate. and a lot of democrats simply say this is a complete waste it's tough time given the real concerns and issues and policy changes, is that both parties say are needed at the southern border with mexico. but still, this is something that it show

shows how republicans view the border issue. playing in this campaign season, even vulnerable republicans in the house it's people who represent districts that joe biden won all essentially voting to impeach alejandro mayorkas here, recognizing they believe that this issue has potency with their voters. so aaron, they're moving ahead here. as we heard solvent floor, but you're right. the senate is going to kill this when they get back into session in a couple of weeks >> so you've got a couple of weeks here where it's hanging. i will point out though manu ken buck gallagher there. i'm sorry. >> have announced they're not running for reelection, right. so two of the three in the house who voted against this and by the way, that was something that was supported by leading conservative constitutional scholars like jonathan turley, right? they are doing so because they're not running for reelection or at least they have the runway to right. otherwise they could lose ken buck by the way, he's gonna be with us and just few moments. >> but >> how do you anticipate this

going in the senate? do you think it's just a simple party line or are there republicans who are going to say that to say? to go ahead with this, to say high crimes and misdemeanors would be ridiculous. >> yeah. it's a good question, erin, because there actually are fair amount of republicans right now who so we are uncertain about whether or not they will go down this route and very senior senate republicans who i've been

on the senate certainly would be very significant, manu, thank you. i just want to go quickly to melanie zanona, also on capitol hill because melanie, i know you had a chance to speak to the deciding vote in this case. steve scalise, the reason for the failure here a week ago today. but you did have a chance to speak with pam and now of course, we've got this vote and they did succeed >> way. steve scalise really was the decisive vote here. it was his presence in the capital today that helps republicans finally push this over the finish line. i got to get a chance to sit down with him exclusively in his office, work for the vote. he talked about the significance of his return. he has been battling cancer, so he is a way getting retreatment. he is now in remission but he was back tonight and he acknowledged how tight the margins are in the

house. but when i asked him whether it was a mistake for republican leadership to push ahead with this vote last week when scalise wasn't here, he defended the strategy from leadership and he said, in effect, the vote last week helped pin members down into saying yes, he said in some cases, if you let this thing sort of linger, that more members who are maybe on the fence could flip into the no column. of course, that could also work the other way. but he really he defended that decision making and he also just viewed the idea that republicans were rushing to jam this vote through the house floor ahead of the special election in new york tonight, he said, when you have the votes, you vote, and that is why they decided to push ahead. tonight with his return to the capitol. but no doubt that special election in new york is going to have immediately, immediate implications for the razor thin house majority here, erin >> absolutely. and of course, we're waiting as i said, now, you've got just less than two hours before polls close about an hour-and-a-half. here in new york, when you're actually going to find out if they find out tonight. and i know everyone there is watching that a melanie was interesting

watching the house speaker, though, as he announced the result, it seemed clear that he was relieved but even though he had counted and double-counted, relaunch failure a week ago was a real sort of slap in the face. it was not what he expected a very different attitude than what we saw last week. i watched speaker johnson asked me was heading up onto the floor last week how did that vote? if you could tell he was visibly frustrated. republicans in the chamber were silent last week, democrats were cheering, but we saw the reverse today with republicans jeering that they finally got this over the finish line, but this was definitely a black eye for johnson last week. and as manu outlined, this is going nowhere in the senate anyway. and so there are a lot of questions about republicans and what they're doing. but their majority, how they're choosing to spend our time and the fact that it even took two votes to push mayorkas over the finish line, i think is also raising questions. erin >> but whether they are going to have the votes to impeach president biden. that is

something that has been an even taller lift, a heavier tasks for the republican conference, and it just at this point doesn't seem like it's likely to happened at least anytime sam area. all right. melanie, thank you very much. and jamal, it is obviously significant for the speaker that he's able to get this through, even though of course it's meaningless to the sense of it isn't going to happen. >> but >> he gets victory and in terms of saying, i got to vote through, i mean, that's what it is for him. he got to vote through which he had failed to do. erin. this is just political query, right >> there. we can grading one. >> it's another word i want to use like there isn't there is not a reason for this particular party to have done this today. it's high crimes and misdemeanors is not a policy different. meanwhile, the united states senate has been working on a bipartisan deal to deal with the problems at the border, to send it over to the house. and the speaker because he was listening to the former president down trump decided that he didn't think that they would take that. it

can be dead on arrival, right? this this deal would be dead on arrival. >> so it killed it in the senate. they had a chance to actually solve the problem. >> and they said no. and so instead, they chose to do a symbolic thing that's just politics and then nothing happens. this is supposed to resolve something that's supposed to be a very major question in the american public. >> that absolutely isn't. it's been crucial to the new york vote tonight. i want to bring in now the republican congressman ken buck, though we went against his party, voted twice now against impeaching mayorkas and congressman last time we spoke, you voted against you voted against now, last time? you said it would probably end up this way because they would go ahead with the votes once they got everyone in the room and indeed they have you stuck with your point of view as did your peers gallagher and mcclintock? did you reconsider your vote at all before tonight because you are receiving a lot of backlash. i would tune into fox news occasionally, i would hear your name always used vein on this particular issue. did you reconsider at all? >> no >> reality >> is the facts didn't change

in my opinion of him i cross-cut for 25 years. i know what a high crime and misdemeanor are, and i know that this doesn't qualify. this is a policy difference. >> you can >> try to put lipstick on this pig. it is still a big, and this is a terrible impeachment. it sets a terrible precedent the first impeachment of donald trump was a bad impeachment. and we've got to stop this in this body, or we are going to lose our credibility with further lose our credibility with you the american public. >> are you surprised, congressman that no additional republicans joined you and your other two colleagues today. and did you have any hopes that you would be able to convince just one? >> good >> more and have this vote fails? >> i didn't really feel it was my responsibility to try to convince anybody and i think that people had made up their mind. they had voted before or they made their own record. and they're going to live with a lot of my colleagues are coming back in the next congress. if there's a republican president next congress, you better expect an impeachment of a cabinet official and they're going to be very hard pressed

to try to distinguish how they voted against the trump impeachment for the mayorkas impeachment and then voted against another republican impeachment. that's a bad situation in the video. >> so speaker johnson obviously rushed his vote to the floor. i mean, it was week ago today that you and i were speaking in the same situation except for the voted failed but obviously the context now is what's happening here in new york, which is that special election. our polls are going to close and then just about an hour's time, that could change the makeup of a house that if the democrat wins would have made this vote fail for the speaker. how does that play into your thinking? do you think that the speaker from did the wrong thing by not waiting essentially for the will of the people well, obviously, i think it's wrong thing because i've voted against it, but i think what's really important here impeachment should be broadly bipartisan when, when richard nixon was involved in watergate, it was broadly bipartisan. and when you have a

very, very partisan impeachment, it is a wrong thing for the speaker to bring it to the floor. speakers need to be above the fray and they need to take into account the reputation of the institution that didn't happen in this situation twice so your fellow republican, congressman mike gallagher, obviously also voted like you against this. you told me that he was last-minute switch on this issue and that i give him a lot of credit for having the constitutional knowledge and intestinal fortitude to do the right thing. that's what you told me one week ago and as he voted the same as you, the four days after that vote, he's getting crushed, just like you were about his vote. he he announced he wasn't going to seek reelection, and obviously you're not seeking reelection either. congressman how does that make you feel that essentially you know, it seems as if to vote the way you want to vote on these issues means that you've got to give up winning at least in a gop primary and getting through an election yeah erin, i sleep

well at night and i'm happy that i was able to cast the vote the way i wanted to cast a vote. what happens when a leadership caters to the un-serious, the serious leaves and that's a huge problem in this place. if you don't have all that many serious people who really want to work on policy and who really want to get serious, difficult problems solved and if you continue to run these kind of messaging bills where you misinterpret the current institution and really harm the future credibility of the constitution. >> you're going to lose good people >> all right, thank you very much, congressman buck. i appreciate your time. >> thank you >> and bruce, you know, i find this interesting because you and i spoke when george santos was in office and putting aside how you feel tonight and tonight's race. i just want to make the point. you were very vocal that he needed to go because he was deeply unserious that's the point. congressman buck is making. there are too

many un-serious people in congress and more and more serious people are opting out yes, on both sides, the democrats started this process. they went down this road and i'm sympathetic to my republican colleagues, but i don't like weaponizing prosecutors and i don't like impeachment proceedings unless the evidence is overwhelming scent. secretary mayorkas was doing what president biden told him to do. so the best way to change policy is in november fire president biden, if as opposed to going through an impeachment process, which jamal, it's interesting as as congressman buck saying should be pi partisan, we should note the second trump won. you did have a bipartisan then you had ten republicans on that >> but the reality about the insurrection of the capital, that the president from it right now, that's i've talked with the second. but the reality of it is is this issue of un-serious people is very serious issue. we see it every single day now. >> it is very serious and i think i was talking to someone earlier today, was talking

about if you're a young person in your finishing school and you're thinking about what you want to do with your career. you want to go to capitol hill, ryan, do you think that this is a place where you can go make a difference in the country, or do you leave and you go off to silicon valley or someplace else? where do you think? you can actually build something that has an impact? and i think we were losing quality people in american politics because politics just isn't serious. this is often problem. >> and it's terrifying. it's terrifying what it means, harry, this comes as house republicans are under fire because they've refused to bring the ukraine funding bill to avert. that is a deeply serious issue. okay. and now it's you didn't even have the intestinal fortitude to get a vote on it. but they're devoting ample time to what we obviously have seen here. so what, what do they actually gotten done for voters if you're going to look at, you know, forget whether you like it or not, but what have they actually done? >> i mean, look, if you look at the number of bills and resolutions that have become law during this congress. it's less than 40. it's 39. that is

by far the lowest at this point in any congressional session in the last 50 years. in fact, that's less than half the previous low of 81. that occurred about ten years ago. so when you go out and you ask voters, why don't you care about politics? because they feel like washington doesn't get anything done for them. and you know what, based upon these numbers, they're absolutely right, sir. >> michael, look, i think everything that everyone said on the panel, erin, i agree with 100%. i mean, there's disintegration of our norms. politically speaking, i think is why so many americans are looking for someone outside of the two two individuals that will see a repeat of november to lead the country forward. i mean, again, i have a tremendous amount of respect for congressman buck. i know many people on his staff. he's a good man. he's a true constitute national list conservative in the traditional sense, as described by edmund burke, that idea of conservatism though erin know longer exist. and i will say i agree with the republicans been angry about the immigration issue. most americans are

there's a reason why this third congressional district race as fundamentally important, there is a sense of loss of national identity within many americans there is angry people across the country. but what are we going to do to move the needle forward? right? >> right. >> well, certainly impeaching someone when they're not going to be impeached, it's not going to change any policy obviously doesn't do anything anything to that end, right. thank you all very much. i appreciate it. and next, the breaking news we're now learning when trump will find out the fate of his business empire and whether he'll be forced to fork over more than $300 for fraud, new reporting in just a moment, because president biden unleashing on trump we're saying that he would stand by while russia invaded a nato ally. in fact, that he would encourage him to go ahead and do so. comments that have america's allies ramping up their defenses. you're going to see exactly how i'm gonna go inside a factory in a story, you'll see first outfront a

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investigation, the trial that lasted three months, and we all comes down to this judge's decision in this case and the real issue here is exactly the issue of the money. how much will he say that trump and the trump organization needs to pay in what is called ill-gotten gains. that's the money that he made as a result of the fraud that the judge has already found existed and that fraud he said was the issuance a false financial statements to insurers and banks to get better terms on loans. now, we're expecting this ruling on friday barring any unforeseen circumstances. and in addition to the money the other big question here is the band, the new york attorney general's office is seeking a lifetime ban against donald trump from doing business in new york and a five-year ban against his sons. they are the two that are running the trump organization at the moment. so the ruling could be singing inefficient. now, throughout this trial, the judge has he already made that initial determination and then at the end of the trial, when the trump organization and lawyers for trump said that they wanted the judge to decide in their favor saying that the

ag's office didn't prove their case. the judge issued a scathing ruling at the time that was in december, where he rejected many of trump's key defenses in this case. one of them being that valuations of these properties with subjective the judge ruling at the time, quote, a lie is still a lie. so trump's lawyers have anticipated that this will be a verdict against them. they have already indicated that they plan to appeal. erin. all right. kara, thank you very much. ryan goodman is outfront with me now, so ryan, let's just start with where kara is reporting. what kind of punishment do you expect is going to come down on friday? obviously, this is both financial and a possible ban on business operations. so, i think it's going to probably be a >> very heavy price because the underlying claims, it looks like the judge has being convinced by the prosecutors and they were very strong case. he was very skeptical of trump's expert witnesses. and then the cost is $370 million. tag is predicated on the strength of the case. and if the case is strong, then that'll be it. and so it's not necessarily we have punishment,

but it's discouraging him from the undue profits that he got from the banks is a big part of it. so i think that's big. and then i think it's an open question as to how long he bans trump from practicing in new york. i don't know if it'll be a lifetime, maybe it'll be five or ten years. and then the other one is does he actually banned trump's sons? i think he might not do that kinda like judges like to split the baby a little bit and he already indicated that he's maybe not convinced that there's enough evidence against the sun, and that allows it to not knock the company out of existence. so there's i understand what you're saying there. all right, so as we await that, we did get a development today also in this whole immunity situation, right? so the chief justice roberts gave the special counsel week week to respond to trump >> unity >> and a lower court obviously had ruled unanimously that he does not have immunity. the court could have just immediately said, okay, good. that stands. we're going to fine. >> but >> giving a whole week in response, how did you read

between the lines on that? yeah. so just to be candidate in terms of my thought process, the first impression i thought was, oh, wait a minute, maybe the supreme court is taking their time. they're trying to contemplate this. >> it's more like are they really taking trump's arguments seriously? >> yeah, i think at the end of the day they're just out of a kind of a courtesy to the department of justice saying you have a full week if you want to take it and then in all likelihood, i think jack smith might file tomorrow and he'll just say, no, we want to move this thing forward and it's jack smith asking the court, let's move this forward quickly. not the court deciding to do it on a turn. so i think we still might see a chord that very quickly does away with the situation down, certify, we're gonna we're not going to exactly and then greenlight. the trial goes ahead and dc on the january 6 case. >> all right. one more point. there's a court hearing on thursday in the alvin bragg case that's the hush money payments stormy daniels. this case is scheduled for march and it seems like this is in many states the week guest for a lot of reasons, whether politically motivated or perceived that way, whatever it might be that he's not gonna go to jail even

if he is convicted. but it does seem that this is gonna be the first one to go to trial no matter what. >> yes. it looks like. this is the case that the american public will get as the very first case against donald trump as a criminal matter. and like you say it is, i think by all accounts, essentially it's the weakest of the cases forward. the reasons you say the reason that he would pick this case of falsifying business records, the evidence relying on michael cohen and the fact that they might not be any sentencing to criminal incarceration means like why this right. >> but nonetheless, that that's gonna be the first one up to bat all right, thank you, ryan. and next, a special report. see how america's allies are responding to trump's comments that he would encourage putin to attack some nato countries. comments biden tonight is condemning no or the present our histories ever bow down to a russian dictator >> and stunning video of what the idf claims is the leader of hamas in reportedly for the first time since the october 7 terror attacks need to be at

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means it for god's sake. it's dumb is shameful, it's dangerous, it's un-american fred pleitgen is outfront tonight, reporting on the fallout from america's closest allies over what trump said >> a german made leopard two tank hitting russian positions on the eastern front. this video provided by the 21st mechanized brigade, showing they say, how effective west during weapons are on the battlefield. but because every infinite tree scared of a tank, thanks, go out and work and they fire frightfully. they fire straight into their faces and they don't even have time to think about what to do with the ukrainian say they need a lot more western arms and ammo, but republicans have blocked us military aid than congress and their likely nominee for president donald trump, even suggested he might encourage russia to attack nato members. did meet military spending guidelines

>> by would not protect you. in fact, i would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want. you got to pay. >> those comments literally have europeans up in arms now ramping up weapons production for ukraine and for themselves. germany's chancellor visiting a major arms plant with denmark's prime minister trying to downplay trump's comments. >> mitosis essence voting eigenstates, book canada for european countries. and we cooperate so long since world war ii and this is really something which is good alliance for the future. we stick to it president of united states fixed with. and i'm sure the american people wouldn't >> but denmark's prime minister says, she has no illusions. us support for for european nato members, no longer seems certain. >> no matter what will happen in us. and this year, i think the conclusion has already now that europe i needs to be stronger and we need to do

really be able to do more on our own. >> and ammo production is the biggest concern as nato allies struggled to help ukraine make up for massive shortfalls while facing overwhelming russian firepower this is one of the most important things for the ukrainians to stay in the fight. they're not only outmanned, they're also out sun than the biggest problem they have is a lack of ammunition they broke ground for a new ammo plant here, and the company's ceo says they will drastically increase ammo production quickly, especially for artillery they need 1 million to 1.2 million. and if i give them 700,000, i think there are also some other producers in europe. we have to give them something. so 700,000 is at the moment the maximum that we can produce. >> the ukrainian say they need the maximum their allies can give with or without the us to keep their forces in the fight against the russians. fred pleitgen, cnn wouldn't tell this germany

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