having no charges being brought. against the president wolf mj, the legal decisions aside, what else you learning about the communication strategy >> yeah, a lot of questions about sort of the public facing handling of all of this, including the decision to have the president make remarks that evening hours after the report came out taking questions from reporters and older so just some frustration from white house officials and other democrats close to the white house about the lack of a clear and forceful pushback. the white house has pushed back on all of this has been that they did have plenty forceful pushback, including the president going out and fans from the white house, counsel's office taking questions from reporters. but there's no question and wolf that all of this has brought a lot of concern and questions about how this will feed into the political narrative that the president has issues in terms of his memory and his age as well. >> wolf, mj lee reporting from the white house. thank you very much into our viewers. thanks for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in the situation room. erin

burnett outfront starts right now outfront next, breaking news, one person >> dead more than 20 shot and injured at a kansas city chiefs super bowl celebration i'm going to speak to a father and his daughter who witnessed the shooting. father tackling the alleged gunman, also breaking this hour, russia's space nukes the house intelligence committee chairman sounding the alarm on photo serious national security threat. cnn now learning the us has new information on putin's nuclear capabilities and this hour we're following more breaking news out of washington jen the special counsel, jack smith, pressing the supreme court to deny trump's total claims of immunity. just hours before trump's back in court from new york hush money case. let's go outfront and good evening. >> i'm erin burnett outfront tonight. the breaking news, a deadly mass shooting at the kansas city chiefs super bowl rally, according to police, 21 people were shot and injured. that includes children and at

least one person has died gunfire erupting at the end of the chiefs victory parade were more than 1 million people had gathered at least three people are now in custody and under investigation. in a moment, i'm going to speak to the father and daughter. they witnessed the shooting and sent us this video of the father. his name is paul. you're going to meet them in a moment tackling what he says is one of the alleged gunman. so you'll hear exactly what they saw and did here and the video coming out of this event shows an absolutely chaotic scene, as i said, there were 1 million people there. and in this moment, you've got hundreds of people running for their lives. nick watt is outfront live in los angeles to begin our coverage tonight. and nick police just wrapping up their press conference what's the latest about what happened? who did it, where they are? >> well, erin, earlier today, the police have said that there were two people detained and they were described as suspects. they now say that there are three people in custody and they are quote, under investigation. the police are appealing for the public's

help to try and figure out exactly what happened and how but it happened. and if perhaps there were other people involved, erin, this is still clearly a very active investigation. this should have been a celebration in honor of the chiefs back-to-back super bowl champion. instead, yet another mass shooting in america, one dead and at least 21 injured by gunfire, just west of union station in kansas city as the rally wrapped up, unclear how many were actually john there was panic. fire department personnel giving life-sustaining treatment on the streets. >> everybody started running. there were screaming. we didn't know what was happening, but this day and age and people run, you run three people were detained according to police they're now under investigation. >> we did see eye to police officers, at least someone away in handcuffs isn't a red jump like a red yes. >> i'm angry at what happened today

>> the >> people who came to this celebration should expect a safe environment. we had over 800 law enforcement officers, kansas city and other agencies at the location to keep everyone safe. >> the people were not safe and hundreds of thousands were on the streets. >> kansas city >> schools closed for the day. >> but an event like this is almost impossible to completely secure. it is a massive open space. tickets are not required. there are no gates and admission areas, so combine that with the fact that missouri is a state that does not control the carrying of firearms. essentially, anyone can carry a firearm. you have a huge crowd and likely a large significant portion of that population and carrying firearms. so any conflict or dispute can easily turn into a

shooting >> still unclear if the parade was actually targeted, the chiefs say all their players and staff are safe, as are the governors of missouri and kansas both at the celebration. chiefs star quarterback patrick mahomes posted on x praying for kansas city. >> this is absolutely a tragedy. the likes of which we would have never expected in kansas city and the likes of which we will remember for some time now, the police chief, who you just saw in that report, she was actually out on the street. she heard the gunshots and she described watching her officers and others weapons drawn, running towards the danger. the police are also looking into another piece of video which appears to show chiefs fan ends in that parade chasing an apprehending one of the suspect's. the chief says they're not sure if that is one of the suspects, but they're looking into that right now to see if there are also heroes amongst the fans, are all right, well, neck.

>> thank you very much. and outfront now is paul contraries and his daughter, alyssa marsh paris. they witnessed the shooting and help tackle someone to the ground who was taken into custody. >> and paul and alyssa. thank you so much for being with us. what a terrifying de paul. you were there and you shared video here of the moment that you help tackle this person. what can you tell us about what happened in that mode? boom, it just hurts him, it yelling to stop this guy tackle him and he was common, in opposite direction so i just you don't think about it. it's just a reaction. >> he got close to me. i got the right angle on him and i hit him from behind and, when i hit him from behind i either jarred the gun out of his hand or out of his sleeve because as i'm taking him down to the

ground, i stayed the gun on the ground so i take them down and i'm putting all all my body weight on him. and then another good samaritan comes over and is helping me because i kinda got them high and the other guy gets him around his waist. and we're just putting our weight on him. and he's just fighting to get up, but we're we're fighting to keep him down. >> and another samaritan comes over and put his weight on us and we're waiting for the koppe. >> they >> finally they get there and the second koppe guests there are third cough care, third, then they pretty much takeover and i i'm standing there for about a minute or two you know, many of the cops didn't even have like one or two words once they had them and got him cuffed i sat there for two minutes with all my three daughters and then we just

walked away. we headed credit card >> i mean, it's incredible on your end, you're there with your three daughters when obviously alyssa's with you. now, paul, can i just ask when you say that the gun you don't know whether it fell out of his hand or maybe out of his sleeve. right. and when he went down and then the gun goes on the ground did you see him fire the gun >> no. no. >> i didn't have see fire the gun. i just when i tackled him, i've seen what i've seen like i said, out of his hand or out of the sleeve taken them down. i think that gun. >> and alyssa, you're there with your dad and your sisters. i know you took this video after when when your dad had tackled this man with the other good samaritans as he describes it. and then the police officers come as your dad just walk through. so now we see the multiple officers have this man pin to the ground. >> what >> did you see during all of this and what would you were you even thinking watching your dad do this? >> i mean, it all happened so fast. i think the most alarming

de valmy saw cops chasing people, and then seen young theater kid just completely coming at us and then i noticed just everybody in the crowd just kind of scatters and run this through along with my older sister just completely ryan. >> and >> i don't want to leave my dad's side because we knew what could've happened or if they needed help so i was just there to make sure, you know, his hat, his phone, his wallet, did go missing in the process of him getting this offender down. >> i'm paul, i know police at this point, don't really have any details. i mean, they say they've got individuals and i guess it's unclear if one of the individuals that they are holding right now is the man that you tackle. we don't know yet. unless unless you know but we don't know a motive. i mean, did you hear anything from this this man as when you got him to the ground, didn't say anything? >> and what did he look like >> when are tackled him and i

go to the ground. he was wearing like a big, bulky like work jacket. so when i got it to the ground, he was face down and his hoodie was on. his hood was on. he was faced down and i was on top of them keeping them down a town. like i said, another goods to marriage was holding him by the waist down what his body on him. so i really did not get a good look. but as was holding him down, i didn't know if he tried to bite me or this tried to call out my hand so i took my hand and put it outside to hold them down with a jacket in between us. because he was you know, i'm holding them down. were fighting each other. he wants to get out while i'm holding them down then another guy helps me >> and then you know, it just seem like a long time, but us partly like 15, 30 seconds.

>> i can yeah. >> he was fighting the whole time, you know, fighting the whole time. >> and we >> we were fighting him to keep them down. we didn't want to let them up and take down ron him because he had one gun mei had another one in that big bulky jacket, right? right. you couldn't even tell now. now it gives some context for what you're saying that it could have been in his sleeve, right? i mean, when you talk about this bulky jacket, alyssa, this happens and your father runs to tackle this man because you hear shots and this guy is disguised running, right? was foci jacket can you describe what the shots south founded like >> so from the moment it all happened so fast, like i've said, but it wasn't long after the celebration was all done and everybody was kind of dispersed in and going back to their cars probably a minute or so later. and you just hear pop, pop, pop, pop and like i said, we're at a celebration and i think a lot of people thought were fireworks because nobody really ran or anything. and i assumed that people, you know, notice it was gunshots or

something that we all would have been out of there really quick but then as soon as we see, people gained case and then cops running and then not long after my dad tackling somebody who is assumed k2. >> okay. those were fireworks for the celebration and lose gunshots well, it thank you both so much for sharing this. i can only imagine just sort of how traumatic that was. thank you for sharing and incredible to imagine paul that you who are unarmed, i guess, right, that you would run and chase someone who had a gun and it's, incredible >> i didn't know we had a gun at the colleague talcott, and that's when i seen it on the ground. >> yeah. so i don't know. >> it was just a reaction well thank. >> goodness for people like you. thank you both so very much >> thank you. thank you. >> chris swecker is with me now, the former assistant director or the fbi's criminal investigation division so chris so you know, you hear them talk

about what happened and paul running at somebody. then when a gun comes out there trying to hold this guy down until the police please come and we don't know if this is one of the individuals who's now currently being held >> but you hear this >> description, 22 people wounded from the shooting that happened. and as i said, three detained what do you think happened here? from the best you can tell? >> yeah. well, first i saw that video. it's extraordinary. this guy took him down and had had the presence of mind to do that. i think that advances the investigation when you have somebody in fresh pursuit and catches somebody with a gun coming from a shooting. there'll be able to match the ballistics and so this guy is a true hero. and those that helped him. >> this, let's first thing >> this rule out terrorism, the fbi would be front and center if this was even suspected or any shred of evidence of a terrorist incident. so i think we can put that to the side. so this appears to be a criminal

act there are three suspects in custody this was a sort of a spontaneous event. if you will. it sounds like if they were planning something, it seems like and they were trying to inflict mass casualties. they would have done it on the parade itself for maximum impact. so kansas city downtown amongst 1 million people, mingled in, there are probably some pretty bad people, perhaps some gang members. and it sounds like this might have been a dispute. and every single shot that was fired because of the density of the crowd hit somebody and that's why we may have those casualties. i don't have inside information. right after 40 years, you get a little sense of things and that's what it seems like here. >> well, in terms of what happened, again, they were 1 million people at the parade and this was as it was ending, right. so as you point out, we understand there were more than 800 law enforcement officers present, but obviously from what paul happen to paul, right. you had citizen hero run

in and apprehend one of these individuals what's your take though on what we understand the ratio to be here, that there were 800 law enforcement officers present at this giant event. >> well you place 800 against 1 million and a dynamic moving event like this that really they only had one or two days or three days to plan it right there. it's not like super bowl, the olympics where you can spend months and years planning with all inner agencies coming together. this was an impromptu type event, which is the highest risk type event. it's open, it's wide open. so i'm it's good that they had 800 officers out there. but that wasn't enough. i mean, i'm not saying that it wouldn't happen if

>> so since analyst sitting there waiting, grabbed the information, rain in this type of >> situation. >> all right. well, chris, thank you very >> much. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> let's still incredible thing about paul running towards and taking down somebody to think about what it would take in such a moment to make that choice front next, the breaking news after the house intelligence chairman's cryptic warning about a national security threat. cnn is now learning that the us has new intelligence on russia and putin it's efforts to launch nukes in space, also breaking special counsel jack smith, just responding to trump's efforts to delay the federal election case this coming just hours before trump is back in the courtroom. this time for the criminal hush money case, muir and in fighting inside the

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telling cnn tonight that the us has new intelligence on russia's efforts to deploy a nuclear anti-satellite system in space so this actually comes after the house intelligence committee chair mike turner today, raise the alarm. he announced he's made information concerning a quote, serious national security threat available to all members of congress to review now keep in mind if nukes were launched, the us from space, they would be undetectable. this new, it gives ominous context to the fact that one of putin's mouth pieces floated this very idea on russian state television nine months ago as found by russian media analyst julia davis boucher. >> i think it's time to turn of the human flu cbs, we understand that all drones and everything else worked for americans only while starlink exists so if we carefully launch our nukes and space, there will be no starlink left jim sciutto is outfront and jim, what more are you learning

about this intelligence? >> so this is what we know at this, this hour, its new us intelligence, it's about a new russian military capability, specifically an anti-satellite capability with a nuclear components. so the idea to target us are partners satellites in space, including surveillance satellites, nuclear or early warning satellites, with a nuclear component, which of course would expand the ability to destroy those capabilities in space, considered serious enough that the us shared it with its five eyes partners, its closest intel part partners, including the uk, canada, et cetera. i should note this as well, and i've spoken to three people who are reading on this latest intelligence, including to lawmakers. and they told me one, this is not a clear and present danger. this is something that russia is experimenting with looking into designing. it is not currently deployed and not considered something that will soon be deployed. that's key. second of all, erin they've all said to me that this is highly

sensitive intelligence, including the sourcing involved. so they were surprised that you have a member of congress that was going so public with this at this time. so that's very important as you said, it was mike turner who started with something kind of cryptic about a new threat to the us. and it was reporters who dug in to figure out exactly what he was talking about. but then later in the day you saw even one of his republican colleagues, the speaker mike johnson, saying in his words, there is no cause for alarm right now. so it's serious serious enough that they're sharing with their partners, but not one that is considered a serious threat today. >> all right, well, jim sciutto, thank you very much. of course. one other thing jim points out, they're the sourcing is very crucial, right? if this is something that could threaten a crucial intelligence source that's providing the us information that is hugely significant as well. the democratic congressman seth moulton joins me now and i appreciate your time, congressman. so what can you tell us about this threat? what you've learned about it >> well, look, i think the

speaker is right. this is a serious issue, but it's something that we're working hard to address and defense intelligence to defense officials, some of whom i spoke with again today are working on how how to address this to make sure we keep americans safe. it's important to understand that what the chairman of the house intelligence committee has done here, mike turner, is fundamentally leak information. he's he's he is an intelligence leaker because what he did is he decided to take highly sensitive compartmented intelligence that that means that even if you have a very like a top-secret clearance or something you only have access to the intelligence if you have a need to know and he shared it with every member of congress, people like marjorie taylor greene, who of course, we all know cannot be trusted to keep the secret. and indeed it only took a few hours for the details of this weapon system to come out. so he may think he has very principled reasons to do this, but he's put our national security at risk. he's put the sources of

intelligence at risk he's raised a lot of questions with our allies who of course count on us to keep this safe. and he's really inhibited our ability to respond. >> so do you believe that he should face penalties >> oh, right. yeah. look, i certainly don't trust him i certainly don't trust him. i think the house republican leadership has to really address whether he can continue chairing this committee. look, if you asked edward snowden, one of the most infamous american leakers why he leaked that intelligence but of course, put our national security at risk. he would give you very principled reasons in his mind for doing so. and i'm sure that mike turner believes he has very principled reasons for releasing this intelligence. but i tell you what a lot of us really disagree. a lot of republicans disagree, and certainly the defense department officials who are working to respond to this disagree as well. and you know what aaron he did it because he was offended. apparently he was offended that

he wasn't told about this by the biden administration. so in other words, he has partisan reason for doing this. but there's a problem with that. he and i both sit on the house armed services committee and i was briefed about this two years ago. i haven't had a problem keeping a secret secret. but if he just found out about this apparently he wasn't paying attention >> right. because you're pointing out you knew you were all briefed two years ago. >> not that not all of us, but those was needed to know and certainly chairman turner could have found out himself, right? would have been on that list. and it's interesting you're talking about the reasons that you understand, but he may have done it. obviously, as you know, there's discussion out there that maybe another the reason he did it was to try to get his own party to support aiding ukraine and realizing that russia is a clear and present danger. obviously that's complete speculation and you're giving an informed view, but it does it does raise the questions about where that bill is. ukraine funding bill passed the senate bipartisan vote you had a 22 gop senators supporting it. but in the house, you got enough. speaker mike johnson says he has no

intention of bringing it to the floor obviously, you want to get this done. you've been very clear about it from the very beginning, congressman, do you see any possibility that senate bill ever passes the house? >> well, erin, let's be clear, there are actually a lot of republicans, a lot of smart, reasonable republicans who care about our national security, who recognize that supporting ukraine today is an investment in our national security now. and for the future. and they want to support this as well. they want to vote on this bill it's just the speaker who of course is controlled by these extremists in the republican conference, who refuses to bring it up for a vote. he's worried that just by bringing it up to a vote for allowing democracy to work for us to actually do our job and vote yes or no on legislation. he's worried he'll lose his job all right. that's the problem. >> congressman moulton, i appreciate your time. thank you so much >> good to see you, erin. all right. me to next the breaking news, the special counsel tonight urging the supreme

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courtesy, knowing he would do so much more quickly. but he sure did so much more quickly. i mean, basically immediately yeah, almost immediately, really indicating how quickly they want this to move. and once jack smith's team is asking the court to do is to let the election subversion case move forward. they want them court to reject trump's effort to try to overturn the lower court ruling that said he doesn't not have immunity from prosecution in this case. smith's team is writing delay in the resolution of these charges threatens to frustrate the public interests in a speedy and fair trial. and they also tell to give the court and options. if you do want to hear this case on the merits considered this the petition to do that, and have oral arguments in this case next month because they obviously want to go to trial before november. erin should care. >> i mean, it now, which just hours trump is gonna be attending a major hearing in his hush money case in new york, where of course you are right now. you're going to be in the courtroom for that tomorrow. what are you expecting? >> yeah. i mean, this is a

crucial hearing and it's with all comes as all of trump's criminal cases had been colliding this week. we're expecting the judge to make some key rulings in this case, including the trial date we'll soon know if the first criminal charges against donald trump, the hush money case involving stormy daniel's will go to trial before the 2024 election. state felony charges filed last year in new york alleged she falsified business records to cover up a hush money payment to adult film actress stormy daniel yeol's trying to stop her from going public about an alleged affair just days before the 2016 presidential election under new york state law, is a felony to falsify business records with intent to defraud and intent to conceal another crime. >> manhattan district attorney alvin bragg says truck tried to interfere in the election, alleging he would do anything to reach the white house prosecutors allege the payment to stormy daniels was part of the catch-and-kill scheme? trump device with longtime

friend and then national enquirer publisher david and executed by trump's former fixer, michael cohen, who pleaded guilty to campaign finance violations in 2018. >> i pled guilty in federal court two felonies for the benefit of at the direction of an in coordination with individual number one and for the record individual number one is president donald j. trump. >> the case involves a $130,000 payment cohen made to stormy daniels days before the 2016 election >> about 30 >> prosecutors allege cohen and trump then plotted the cover up in the oval office cohen issued a series of false invoices to the trump organization saying it was for illegal retainer. and trump's and monthly checks for $35,000 reimbursing his former lawyer, according to the

indictment, the trial is scheduled jill to begin next month. if convicted, trump could face up to four years in a new york state prison. >> this was >> his first attempt to steal a presidential election based in back in 2016 when he wanted to suppress information from coming out and hide it from the electorate and the vote twitter's so it's a lower level felony, but it's still a felony. and he could get prison time if convicted, but it is not mandatory >> the trial is a test for alvin bragg, a democrat, who's tenure is district attorney, has been met with criticism, including his handling of this investigation. >> every case is when you're ready having now conducted a rigorous, thorough investigation, the case was ready to be brought, and it was brought >> trump is expected to be in court tomorrow when the judge will make the decision of whether this march 25 trial date sticks i'm trump's

pleaded not guilty to the 34 counts of falsifying business records and has denied any affair with stormy daniels, aaron >> all right. kara, thank you very much. and now to our battleground series, looking at the effect of trump's legal troubles outfront. now, john king at the magic walls, plural walzer. >> all right. john, big moments in these legal cases are coming and there is so much to keep track of here. i mean, sometimes, you know, you'd have to give a long sentence so people understand exactly what case it is that you're talking about, but it's now all coming to ahead. >> it is. and qarrah, i think here's the right word, erin, a collision. a collision not only have all these legal cases with each other, but with it's the presidential campaign calendar. five cases. take a look here. federal classified documents, case that trial will be in georgia, federal election interference case. that's based in dc, the georgia election interference case, obviously fulton county, atlanta to new york trials, qarrah just mentioned the criminal trial, the hush money case, and informed involving stormy daniels, and then that business fraud trial, which is moving along and as well, the president already found guilty of fraud. the question is, how much will the judge says he

have to pay? so you see all of those happening, erin, and they coincide right now, you have a presidential campaign calendar, right? the president won new hampshire, he won iowa. he wanted nevada will guess what as he's trying to become the republican nominee, and he's on a pretty good path to it right now. look at all of this going bang the president tonight the former president, a rally in south carolina is kara noted the new york hush money hearing tomorrow probably get a trial date. there's also a georgia hearing. other defendants, not the former president, or trying to allege there's a conflict of interest between the da and her lead prosecutor. they say there's a personal relationship they want that case either thrown out, are delayed in some way, that hearing tomorrow, a civil fraud rule bullying could come. how much does the president have to pay the trump organization have to pay that could come friday. jack smith's deadline was monday. he filed tonight. he's trying to move the supreme court along as quickly as possible on the question, does donald trump, because he was present at the time, have some blanket immunity the special counsel moving that forward. and as we wait for all these legal developments, ten days from now nine days from now, the south carolina presidential primary era. and it's all

coming boom, all coming to ahead. all right, so hearings, essentially, every day you got a day or two. wow. yeah, maybe one or two days here and there where you don't chumps going in a lot of these courtrooms, right? so he's going to be we anticipate in a courtroom tomorrow he's doing that by choice, but still going there and then going to rallies. so will there be answers anytime soon? >> maybe some answers about dates, maybe some answers about procedures. will this go away anytime soon in a word? no. and let's walk through some of that as you go through it, this is going to be with us for weeks and weeks and then likely months and months. and so let's just look up some days still. watch forgive me for turning my back. just in march. we do expect unless something big happens tomorrow, that that new york felony, criminal hush money trial will take place in march. guess what? there are 30 counts, 30 republican nominating contest playing out in that same month. so will the president be in the courtroom? will be going to michigan and california and somewhere else or back-and-forth there you have it. the classified a documents case in florida is supposed to start in may that trial we'll see if that sticks.

there's efforts to delay it by the trump team. but if it started in may, they think that'll be about a two-month trial, erin, two months may. that would be may and june. guess what's in the middle of july? that's the republican national convention. if you think that's it. oh, that's a lot, but that's it. no, there's even more if you come up again, stretch this out for you. we are still waiting for when will the georgia trial be when will the us january 6, case b. and we're waiting, of course, for the supreme court big ruling on presidential immunity. again, the special counsel wants that as soon as possible. and the question some states have raised, colorado particularly should can you rule the president ineligible to be on the ballot because of january 6? so you have all these trials and you have some big questions for the supreme court. again, all this, the campaign plays out. >> yeah, and those to be determined, or perhaps the most important but yet john trump has turned this so far into a political advantage, right? it's not hurt him. in fact, when you get news of another indictment, it has helped him. so you've got 91 counts it's and it helped him 91 times

essentially. i mean, when you look at how voters see this, is there a way to actually ascertain how people really feel about how, how they'll vote if he is found guilty of anything so let's take that into slices one, the here and now and one a little bit looking forward in the here and now in the here and now, look, everyone knows all the voters know as they go to the >> polls in iowa and new hampshire in nevada and south carolina ten days the president faces 91 charges at all. what do you lump these cases together and yet look at the trump read. he won iowa convincingly. he wanted to hampshire convincingly he wanted to know about a caucus is convincingly why listen to these trump voters in iowa, in new hampshire, in nevada, in virginia, in iowa saying donald trump's being set up no, i don't i don't worry. i don't worry about those indictments. i don't think they're i don't think they're fair i think trump has been pushed into a corner. i think he's got he's got lots of targets on him and i think he's doing a

great job of deflecting every one of them. >> person who is accused of something always has to prove their innocence when the job should be on the state or the federal government, prove i'm guilty. that's where it should in the in public opinion. he has been tried dried convicted, and executed you know, it's like a which aren't from time to man got in there and, you know, if you went in or pardon himself and then resigning, went home, it won't bother me a bit >> yeah. >> i won't leave any sleep over it. >> i think if we look at every single president or potentially politician, if you dig, you might find some things just laughing the way they're going after him versus some of the other players doesn't seem to just doesn't seem to be imbalanced, but that's my personal opinion >> you hear it there. erin trump has persuaded his base, his voters. this is nothing

thereafter, meet their out to get me and when they get me, they'll come for you. but if you look into the polling, there are some deep warning signs for the former president. look at this poll. this is our national poll. only 11% of republicans believe he acted illegally, but 80% of democrats do 45% of independents do act unethically. 40% of his own party, republican saying he was unethical democrats, they think it was illegal, so they don't call it an ethical, a lot of independents think it was unethical. half of republicans say did nothing wrong, but almost no democrats or independents tiny number. so this is what the biden campaign will use as a carrier character issue come general election saying you cannot vote for this man. you think he acted illegally, you think he acted unethically. and so erin, one last point to bring up a number, these are the, these are among republican voters when you look at these numbers, this is the entrance polls going into the iowa caucuses. the exit polls in new hampshire primary, people who voted in republican contests, right? 31% in iowa said he's unfit, 42% of new hand actually said he's unfit. expect that number to go down. this is the day they voted for somebody else. that's what the biden campaign will try to take care of. you might think i'm too old, you might disagree with my politics. you do not want this man back in the white house.

>> we will see and of course, until these rulings really come in, you never know how people feel. they're only telling you what they think they will feel. >> we just don't know all right, john, thank you. next, we have breaking news. cnn is learning a blame game is now engulfed. biden's administration after the special counsel's report that describe the president as an elderly man with a poor memory plus a woman makes a chilling, does discovery >> i'll just put it other i mean, i was intimate with my half-brother >> cnn's investigation shows how they shared a biological father fertility dr. who allegedly impregnated multiple women with this sperm >> sunday. laura coates examines the federal we'll criminal charges against former president trump. is it going to be >> difficult to meet this burden of proof, >> how strong is the government's case? the whole story with anderson cooper sunday at eight on cnn of a guy

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is the political fallout. aaron is continuing, as you said, the blame game and the fingers you're getting pointed at both his legal and his communications teams for what we're being told were missteps that everyone thinks made the political situation worse, that even though as you said, the special counsel declined to bring any charges, that the white house response was completely bungled politically and it won't surprise you, erin, that a source close to the biden team pushed back on the criticism saying being quote, after a hostile prosecutor investigated the president for 15 months trying to find something to charge the biden legal team strategy ended with zero indictments and total exoneration. that is, an unequivocal when end quote nevertheless, aaron, the knives are out. >> it's so amazing that what

you say, jamie, is that getting zero indictments should be a win, right? it should have been when it should have been a good day for the white house. and there were no charges filed. but then we were all sitting here right. 730 eastern 15 minutes to present is going to be coming out and speaking to reporters. >> no >> warning, and he comes out and he's angry, extremely angry. and there's been intense scrutiny. us ever since. what are some of the specific things you and your team have uncovered about that? >> so no question. the decision to have that press conference in that way with reporters standing there was considered by is considered by a lot of people to have been a disaster on the legal side, look, the biden team felt and we reported on this that from day one, their mission was to cooperate, cooperate with the national archives, the fbi, and then the special counsel. of course, in store stark contrast to how former president donald trump handled his response to the classified documents case. but

these are biden allies, who say the legal team may have over cooperated by allowing the interview to be recorded, allowing it to take place he's right when president biden was also dealing with the aftermath of the october attack in israel. hindsight is 2020. but this isn't over erin. there are concerns that report those recordings. they're going to be released. there are real concerns about how it will read and sound. yeah, absolutely. then as you point out, i my understanding is the interviews were depositions where the eighth and ninth of october. >> so >> literally in the hours. so he would not have slept and one can imagine, and he would have been completely distracted that perhaps it was a mistake to do them on those days. we will see when we see read and hear our jamie. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> the next one, woman's horror story. >> i've slept with my half

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>> tonight. a shocking and horrible discovery. a woman discovers she dated her half-brother. shocking revelation coming after they both took dna tests and discovered that they share a biological father that man is a fertility dr. who donated sperm to their mothers in the 1980s and is now accused of using his sperm instead of anonymous donors without the consent of multiple patients over at least a decade can lah is outfront with this investigation? >> i mean, i'll just put it out there. i mean, i was intimate with my half-brother >> he didn't know. >> we didn't know yeah >> they couldn't have known. in the early 2000s, they were two teenagers growing up in wallingford, connecticut, a suburb like any other where victoria hilou met her high school boyfriend. >> this i think was junior year. >> obviously, you're dating here yes. what vittoria didn't know that >> my husband and and i tried for awhile and it wasn't working.

>> well, this the infertility world, like back then, back then, everything was quiet let's kissed, not really secret, secret, but it wasn't advertised. >> her mother merely hill turn to a new haven, connecticut fertility specialist, dr. burton caldwell. she says dr. caldwell told her he would inseminate her using an anonymous medical students sperm hill got pregnant. >> there's bay of me >> i kind >> erased it. in my mind that they weren't >> my >> husband's biological children until recently when victoria took a commercially available dna tests curious about her health history to her shock, she found half-siblings, she never knew existed. one of them reached doubt, revealing their biological father is dr. caldwell. >> when i opened it up, it basically just kind of put out there what you're seeing is some half siblings because we believe that the dr. that you did your mother's fertility treatment might be our biological father. >> and i just i, just remember

sitting there just being like just >> quiet what is happening. >> victorious high school boyfriend who asked his identity be concealed, was also donor conceived. his parents also use dr. caldwell the boyfriend took a deal in a test. >> he texted me and it was a screenshot of the 23 and me connection. and it said you are my sister. >> why it's >> we're siblings? >> so she continued to find more brothers and sisters all discovered through dna, all connected to dr. caldwell? >> yeah. i've slept with my half sibling. there were four of us that we know of in the same high school and other half sibling, we went to the same elementary school and that's just in 23 that i know >> you're going to go boom. >> my children have 41 first cousins that we know of most which are local to how many

could there be >> victorious story is a worst-case scenario in the fertility field. the fda regulates sperm and egg donations, but doesn't limit the number of donations nor the amount and have offspring vastly behind some western countries with tighter controls. and when it comes to doctors using their own sperm without patient consent, there's currently no federal law and only 14 states with existing fertility fraud laws. >> i consider you guys sister, as you say, like half sisters, a lot more people than we know, struggle to consider and that's why all of our moms did what they did because they wanted they wanted babies. they would do anything for my kids sake. >> i hope you get the tall gene, victoria and to over half sister say they are caldwell's biological children are born within four years in the 1980s, it's only through commercial genetic tests that they can track their growing numbers. >> none of us new and every single time it comes up, we end up having to relive what that experience was like >> so jeanine, you went and saw dr. caldwell? yes.

>> you snapped a picture. why did you take a picture >> i wanted proof, but i still, when i see that picture, it's this sick feeling. i felt strongly that i had to meet him to make him and the whole situation real and tried to make it make sense >> jeanine pearson filed a civil lawsuit against caldwell last year. it's all she can do for some sense of justice. >> we don't want this to happen to anybody else right >> dr. caldwell stopped practicing sometime in the early 2000s but he still lives here in connecticut so we decided to stop. can see if we could chat with him okay. >> so i saw dr. caldwell. he appears to be frail, quite elderly. i chatted briefly with his wife, who did not want to talk the law is frankly way behind technology in this area

>> attorney matt blumenthal represents victoria hill, her high school boyfriend, and hills mother. there are dozens of reported cases like this other fertility dr. accused of impregnating their patients hundreds of offspring who only recently discovered the truth because of dna testing. >> it's been kept from them for so long. they can't do anything about it because the legal system may not provide them a remedy >> it's insane to me that there's just no justice, there's no recourse. the reason why i'm telling the story. i mean, for me coping, i need to make meeting of this somehow. i am happy to be alive, but i don't want to be the product of a fraud >> and victoria is trying to change things for other people. she is here in washington and tomorrow joined by activists, they will be on capitol hill talking to lawmakers, trying to make fertility fraud illegal in a federal bill. erin this law has been written as proposed legislation that a sitting in the house and they hope to have some success tomorrow we will follow them on their journey here, we did reach