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are going to msal book.com tonight on 360 the super bowl celebration in kansas city turns tragic. one person dead, 21 others wounded, three people being questioned few answers will speak with a man who helped police detain someone possibly involved in the shooting? also tonight, more breaking news. special counsel jack smith, quickly responding to the supreme court answering the former president's claim he's immune from prosecution. and new classified intelligence and new concerns about russia's nuclear clear capabilities in space. >> good evening. thanks for joining us. we begin tonight with what is already in just 45 days that 48th mass shooting of 2024 multiple gunshots too fast account just as a parade and rally for the chiefs is wrapping up outside kansas city's union station. 22 people were hit, at least one killed kansas city's police chief says three people are

detained. one person was apprehended by good samaritans and we're going to show you this video. we've circled that man tan jacket running quickly from right to left across your screen, tackled and held by several others until police arrived few seconds later. we don't know. this is one of the three people police say they are currently holding. we want to go back a few seconds with this video as he's running, you see a man and a yellow shirt on the other side of the barrier point? being identifying the person fleeing, pointing them out to others in the crowd. that person's name is tony, and you'll hear from him shortly. i just spoke with him but first more on what we're learning from cnn security correspondent, former fbi special agent josh campbell. so what are authorities saying about what happened? because the press conference which went on for some time in the last hour or two, it didn't have a lot of specifics >> no, i didn't know that was the second update and still no indication whether these three people that are now being detained in custody or actually

involved in this shooting. that's the big question. we all have had and particularly members of the community anderson wondering, is there going to continue mass shootings? it we've covered? you will often hear police come out and say, we believe we got the person responsible. there is no ongoing threat. we have not heard that yet from authorities. there are only saying that they have three three people detained. they're trying to determine what that involvement might be. finally, it's worth pointing out that at this point there's no indication that this specific event was targeted. we've also seen in other incidents, including mass shootings, where you have individuals that are settling some type of personal dispute with guns, essentially shooting at each other. is that what is at play here? we still don't yet know authority. say they're trying to piece together who was involved in what and trying to get to that motive. >> obviously, it also seems like a thorough i mean, i listened the whole press conference. police are asking anybody with any information anybody was in the crowd who may have seen something to come forward. they clearly need all the information they can get it right now. >> no, absolutely. they're asking anyone who was in the vicinity of the shooting if you saw something someone's

certainly using a weapon, they want to know that. but interestingly, they're asking members of the public to also send in any type of video, any type of photography that they might have. we've seen that in numerous mass shootings where the police will appeal to the public one case in particular, the boston marathon bombing, where it was tips from the public that helped identify the location. you know, who those suspects were. and so that's what they're asking right now. they're asking the public, don't decide on your own whether the imagery that i might have is important here, send it to us, let us look at it. they're trying to piece together all the information and then the last point obviously the fixated cctv cameras that are in and around that area going through that information, not only to fixate on the actual location of the shooting, but also the movement of the people in and around that area. and then obviously the big question, even if they have three people, was there a fourth, where they're more they're hoping a lot of these tips will have to answer that 22 people, what do we know about their conditions? >> yeah. the news is grim. we know one person has sadly died, three others are listed in critical condition that according to the last update

from authorities, five others in serious condition. now, again, 22 shot, but authorities have not given a number yet about other potential injuries. where you can imagine in a crowd this size when you have gunshots ringing out, people fleeing, there were likely other injuries that may have been sustained in that process. and we often see people doing what's called self-transported, taken them, theirselves to the hospital. and so we're still waiting on that full number, but certainly a significant event here with at least one person deceased, multiple other people had serious facing serious sandra is anderson, right? >> josh campbell. appreciate it. i want to replace some of the video that we just showed you that chase shortly after the shooting, man there in the yellow shirt that we talked about, tony pointing as the fleeing man goes by just seconds before other civilians and tackle him and then police arrive. his name is tony >> we we're not going to give you his last name that we know it. i spoke to him just before airtime >> so >> tony, what did you see? when did you first realize something was wrong? >> yes. so i was about 10:15

feet from where it actually kind of happened. initially, the kind of startled everyone, we kinda just kinda dropped to r-ca because it was a loud noise. >> and then >> few people started to say that it was fireworks but like i said before, is just the way the simultaneous sound of the bank i knew it wasn't. >> how many shots were you hearing >> hard to say at the time, just kind of in the middle of the moment. but as i was as i look to my right where it happened, that's where i ended up seeing one victim on the floor with a few bullet holes in them. and then that's when i kind of understood the reality of the situation. and then from there, people are kind of starting to pull up their phones and didn't know what to think of it. and i started to kinda just tell them, hey, get out here. this is not this isn't fireworks or anything. >> so >> as i'm kind of trying to just leave the situation i hear the crowd start to point and yell at this one guy that was running away and psychotic just started. i was already in that direction where he was running

too, so i have started to run see if i could kind of see, get an eye on who was and i actually they ended up running into him and two of the other victims or suspects. and one of the guys excuse me, one of the guys that i like i said, i ran into them. one of one of the victims are the shooters, have his jaw shot shot completely off and so he was kinda like frantic and hemming his buddies were all kind of frantic, kind of didn't know what to do. so sorry so you saw one person running and people in the crowd were saying that point. you get that person. and then that person. but and there were two other people with him >> yes. so there was two other people with them. so when i when i was running just to kind of get away from this situation, but i also heard them pointing this was the shooter or some could be the shooter. i i literally ran into them so they turned around when i ran into them and i saw the victim or the guy with the fit

in the face shot off and then he was kind of didn't know what to do. and so he handed his backpack off to his buddies so we the person you said with his face shut off, like his jaw was actually missing? >> yes >> but he was able he was upright. he was he was he able to remove him so i just wasn't sure he was still moving like i think he was just in shock, so i didn't know if he was a victim or if he was part of the actual shooting and just got hit as well, >> thanks now, i mean, what do you think he was part of the shooting >> he could be i think so because i mean, so to continue the story, so after he handed the back to the other individuals, i kept an eye on those individuals and we were in between semi-trucks stuffing stuffing their backpack and look like they're hiding something in a big jacket. so i kept an eye on them. i just it didn't say it right with me, so i went up to one of the sheriff's as it was going on. i said, hey, follow me. i think these guys might be suspicious and so as we're walking up to those guys, they started to

backpedal and then they are hiding up in their jacket and then they just took off from us it's still those three guys, one guy who you said draw shot off and it was the guy the guy with his jaw shut off after he was laying on the ground and passed up >> pass the bag i didn't focus on him. i was just focused on what was going on with a bag and so that's one how it was two people with the bag? >> yes. yes. >> and >> so we confronted we walked up to those guys and then they took off running again after we were walked me in, the sheriff or walking up to them and both me and the sheriff start running after him. and the only reason i kinda ran after him was just because i knew what he looked like literally ran into him. so i just didn't want him to hurt anybody else. i didn't want them to. i didn't know if he had another weapon on him. it just looked like he was hiding something and they were stuffing something, their backpack, and he just ran. so i kept it on them. i was running after him all the way down and then that's where you can kind of see the video. and then that's where i'm starting to yell. this is the guy that's the guy >> tackle him, help tackle him. and luckily, for four or five

other guys that i wanted tony, i want to show our viewers that video. we highlighted the person running in. it looks like a tan jacket maybe. >> yeah. yeah. >> so that person that's the person who you saw, the person one of the people you saw? >> yes. >> and that's the person it's interesting because in the last hour or erin burnett talked to a gentleman named paul contraries and his daughter, alyssa who paul help tackle someone who who he heard people saying that's the person and he was involved in the tackled mean that person i just want to play what what what paul said in our last hour hurt somebody yelling too stop this guy tackle him, and he was coming in opposite direction so i just you don't think about it. it's just a reaction he got close to me. i got the right angle on

him and i hit him from behind and when i hit him from behind, either gerard the gun out of his hand or out of his sleeve? >> and tony, i want to show another video to our viewers, which we've highlighted. you pointing let's just show that now. so you see the person running and from a distance, you can just see the back of you pointing urine life. i think a red hat is that, is that that's what paul was talking about. paul heard sounds like paul heard you or somebody else around you pointing and yelling about that guy? >> yeah. yeah. so i had once he took off running like instinctually, i just took off running after him. he was hopping barriers. i was hoping there's just trying to stay in somewhat distance of them and that way i could if i could see a koppe and help him identify that was the guy. and then just

there wasn't any police officer at the moment at that time. so i'm just trying to yellow to anybody that can hear me and people are scrambling, not knowing what's going on. and i just felt like that was the best situation that was the best thing i could do in that situation. we're just let people know. this is the guy helped me out. i was just going to try to tackle him if i go, but i'm thankful that these guys stepped up and like i said, it was just instinctual. it's not something that i plan to do is we were all just going there for the parade. but just one of those things that i just wasn't wanting to anybody else to get hurt. >> tony at anybody i know you said you saw these two guys stuffing things in. the guy with a josh shut off, handing something to others and then stuffing things in a backpack or in a jacket, did you see any weapons? >> yes. so i on my page and everything, there was i think that's the weapon that he was talking about when he tackled him and it came loose. you can see one of the weapons that were there after we know we tackled him because when i was a pistol or how was it a handgun? >> it looked like kinda like a machine gun festival

>> okay. >> i couldn't really get that go to the look on it. it kinda looked like an ar as well. i just really didn't get a look on it. >> but the person you first saw lying down on the ground with, what do you believe or bullet wounds? >> that >> you don't know who that person was >> no. the guy that when i first saw him laying on the gallons with holes in them? >> yes. >> no, but i just want to say he was part of it because somebody else had come in on a different radio station was stolen me that they had seen him with a weapon, and i'm not the only thing out there, but i just saw the guy with the whole i didn't see if i saw his weapon. i just saw there was a guy laying on the ground. saw the severity, the situation let's just wanted to get out of there and then that's when they pointed out the other people and then that's when i ran tony. i got to say it's it's really remarkable what you did and what a number of other people did, paul, paul

controllers as well, who erin talked to, you know, nobody knows how you're going to respond in a situation like this. we all think we're going to be the person who chases after a bad guy and rallies other people to help. but rarely do people actually do that. you did that and it was instinctual. you said you didn't plan certainly this to happen did it surprise you what you did >> so i come from the military background, you know, we come from after active shooter trainings all this type of stuff that you prep for these situations. i've been out of the military since 2016, but it's so said you kind of go through that, you kinda turns on in those situations. >> and >> i just tell people in this society and now we're in 2024 and just started society that in these big city and his big venues are these big is big gatherings you just have to stay vigilant. know if you have kids keep an eye on your kids,

watch around what's going on in anything, concerts, parades, we don't expect these things, but just staying vigilant like that can literally save your life. and i'm just lucky to be here. if i was ten steps faster, i probably won't be on the phone with you right now. i was that close? and i just didn't want anybody else to get hurt and we've seen go on throughout the entire country. i don't want something want something like this to happen on a day of celebration, bringing the city together. so i was just trying to do whatever i could help mitigate it and help the police officers that are around me i mean, tony, in our society only works when good people stand up and help each other. and you did that. i really appreciate talking to you. thank you for what you did. >> i appreciate that. thank you. >> you take care. >> thank you. you too. >> good citizens, still to come tonight. we'll delve further into the investigation of today's mass shooting. the questions about three people detained with former fbi director deputy director andrew mccabe. also more breaking news special counsel jack smith has asked the supreme court's and i

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of the guys excuse me, one of the guys that i like i said, i ran into them. one of one of the victims or the shooters, have his jaw shot shot completely off joining us now cnn senior law enforcement analyst and former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe era, it's interesting hearing from >> tony who not only saw somebody, he says laying down, laying on the ground with bullet wounds in them early on. but also these three other people, one of whom had his jaw shot off running away and stuffing things into a bag, one of whom at least it was apprehended. what stands out to you about what he said >> wow, i mean, there's a lot that stands out from that, from that interview. it's kinda the first glance that we've had into this possibility that there were more people involved than the than the two people who were initially reported as having been armed and detained

it also raises the interesting prospect that somebody who is being treated as a victim may have actually also been involved in the shooting. so as a suspect in the investigation. so clearly the kansas city police department has got a tangled mess on their hands to try to try to get to the bottom of and i would suspect that they're not really going to be able to do that until they get the sort of assistance from the public that they have now requested, which is to provide to upload copies of videos and photographs that were taken at the scene in that area when these when this shooting started? so that will help them a lot. i think not just placed the players on the set as it were, but also to try to try track it back to who was actually firing shots. yeah. i mean, what are some of the key questions that you have right now because it's unusual, i'm obviously, we've all covered a lot of active shooters actuations and we've all read

the fbi report on how they're usually operated is very rare to have two shooters involved in a mass shooting, to have the potential of multiple people. i mean, it sounds like there's many different scenarios where there's still questions remain of was this event targeted? was this just lots of people gathering and some sort of altercation over something between groups of people. was that what was involved in >> yeah. those are all the questions that i'm sure law enforcement is asking right now. and you're absolutely right. what what we know, what little we know so far? part doesn't really fit the typical pattern of a mass shooting here in the united states, right? typically we have lone offenders almost always male, although we saw a female mass shooter last weekend and those folks are either killed on the scene, are taken into custody by themselves. now, i should say that the idea of multiple shooters involved in an event

like this is not unheard of. and in fact, it's more common in terrorist attacks and certainly ones that we see overseas in europe and the middle but at least another places. now, i'm not suggesting that this was a terrorist attack. we haven't been given any evidence or facts that would support that but i think the most likely explanation here, anderson, is that we have some sort of a conflict between two groups of people that erupted into gun violence and its entirely more likely to happen in a place where many people are carrying firearms. so not so much a premeditated attack as it were, as like a spontaneous event between in a two warring clans, right? >> i mean, it could be gang-related, could be drug-related mix of both or who knows what the fbi is assisting

local law enforcement. can you just kind of walk us through what evidence the fact that police in their press conference, which was very lengthy, a short time ago, are appealing. so direct frankly for any information. does that tell you that they don't they don't have a handle on what exactly went on >> it certainly suggests that they're in need of better evidence about what happened here, right? so that's likely the folks that they have in custody are probably not cooperating. nobody's talking. there'll be pointing the finger at each other. those are all obviously very helpful things if they're taking place in an investigation like this. so they need hard evidence of what happened. the crime scene itself is so large, so chaotic, you have so many people running away from the events that its possible that the evidence you would use at the crime scene, like collect i think shell casings and things of that nature has been made harder by the fact that you've got literally thousands of people probably trampling through the area where the events took place. so they're really

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per hour does step counter the sport matt and wireless remote call. now the whole story with anderson cooper sunday on cnn >> who are watching former president trump at a campaign rally in north charleston, south carolina ten days ahead of that state's primary no reaction thus far to our breaking news about a new filing by special counsel jack smith, which is six days ahead of deadline he's asked the supreme court to allow the election interference trial to proceed and deny the former president's request for a stay. now, the former president essentially wants the trial delayed past election day while the courts weigh his claims of absolute immunity, pennel of through federal judges already overwhelmingly rejected those claims, and a unanimous opinion joined now by former federal prosecutor elie honig, also my colleague, kaitlan collins, anchor of the source at the top of the hour and are chief legal affairs correspondent, paula reid. so paula, what else can you tell us about this

counsel's filing as you just laid it out. this is all about timing. smith wasted no time and filing this response. and he insists that the entire country has an interest in the prompt resolution. solution of this entire case. of course, smith doesn't think that trump has immunity. they've been litigating that for months. the trial court agreed with smith and appeals court agreed with smith and that's skating unanimous opinion. most legal experts also agree that trump doesn't have immunity if you talk to former members of his legal team, even current members of his legal team. they can see yeah, this is not our strongest arguments. so smith said, look, he's not going to win on the merits. he doesn't deserve this pause, so he can go exercise all of these frivolous appeals in the filing. he said today, quote, the charge crimes strike at the heart of our democracy. a president's alleged criminal scheme to overturn an election and thwart the peaceful transfer of power his successor should be the last place to recognize a novel form of absolute immunity from federal criminal law. >> so he's saying, look, don't

give him this pause. let's get to move on with this trial. but if the supreme court wants to hear this case on the merits, he asked them to do so quickly. he says, i'm suggesting that you do oral arguments in march and move this along. because again, for him, this is all about timing and trying to bring this case to trial. >> so what's the next step now that is all this. >> so we're waiting for the supreme court to weigh in here. the trump will get a chance to reply, but all eyes are on the supreme court. and this happens amid a backdrop, right? the court has already contemplating this other trump case ballot eligibility. trump is why idly expected to win that case and look, there is a world in which they hand them a win on ballot eligibility. and just reject the presidential immunity outright. and that would give a win and a loss would be true to the law. again, speaking, the sources in and around the trump trump world that is widely the expectation. but the bigger question is, how long does it take? because again, this all comes down to timing. >> yeah. just let's talk about the timing first. elie, what are the options? so he's filed

this ahead of time. he didn't he did it before the deadline. it now does trump file is something again or is this supreme court answer his violin? yes. so typically there would be a >> reply brief from donald trump's team. there's no deadline for that, but if i was them, i would want to get that in real quick. and then the supreme court, why would you want to get that in quick? >> delay things? because i >> would want to get it in before they rule because they're not necessarily the supreme court's not necessarily going to wait if i take a week or two, so i would want to get the last word in as to the supreme court's options. they need to decide, first of all, are we going to keep the stay, the pause? on the district court that actually takes five justices and related to that sort of inseparable from that is will they take the case itself, which only takes for justice, isn't every time i see one of these briefs, i changed my mind. this is such a close call. i mean, i totally can see them rejecting this for the reasons paula said they don't want to be part of a politically charged case. the rulings below have been unequivocal. on the other hand, and trump's team makes this argument. this is sort of the platonic ideal of a case that the supreme court would take.

this is why we have a supreme court. it's unresolved. >> it goes to the scope of executive powers. it goes to separation of powers. so neither result would surprise me here, kaitlan, the foreign president is allies confident there'll be able to kind of slow walk this >> yes. well, i mean, they've been successful so far. the one thing that threw them off though, was when they got that response from the appeals court that scathing ruling that polo is talking about. >> and >> it kinda box them in by saying you only have this many days to respond to the supreme court. obviously, we saw that happen earlier this week so we knew that was coming. they knew that jack smith was going to respond way before the deadline. they were joking that he'd respond immediately once he heard from the supreme court on this, i think he'd followed the six days before he actually had to respond with his what he was going to say. there are still hoping that they can delay it. they're thinking is that this is such a monumental as in such a monumental issue that has never really been tested before that, the supreme court will want to have its opinion. they believe that ultimately they will lose on this. they don't think that they're going to win when you

speak to them candidly, they won't say that publicly, but they only want it to be delayed. that's the only thing that that is of their interests. that's why what jack smith said tonight is so critical that if you are going to hear donald trump's argument here, please do it by next month. >> elie, do you think the court response to that they're obviously aware of the situation. >> it's such an interesting question is really a >> larger question that you were critical. jack smith's filing. yeah. and i will remain critical of this about jack smith he is all consuming lee possessed with trying this case before the election. there are legitimate reasons for that, but he won't say it incident. he does it again in the filing that just came in. it's all these bromides and generalities about, well, there's a general need. everyone knows what he's doing. everyone knows what the judges let me read you what he said. he's a delay in the resolution of these charges yes. threatens to frustrate the public interests in a speedy and fair verdict, a compelling interests in every criminal case, and one that has unique national importance here, as it involves federal criminal charges against the former president for alleged criminal efforts to overturn the results the presidential election,

including through the use of official power. >> there it is again, he's done this over and over when all he needs to say it it's really important that we tried this before the election and i don't know how this is going to play with the justices. >> i had this conversation with with people in trump's world about this. there they've seen elie's writing. he avoids the e word as was referenced in the filing earlier this week, but also if jack smith did talk about the election than they would wield at the other way. and they'd say, well, he's just trying you do this before the election. so i think when you hear it from, from some people, it's certainly coming in bad faith. >> so we definitely do that. >> let's just talk about the next two days because there's a whole bunch of the court stuff going on with trump. >> oh, my okay. so tomorrow simultaneously, we will have a hearing here in manhattan. >> this is my calendar. you're going to need a calendar and these pencil not and this is about the manhattan district attorney's criminal case, the hush money payments made before the 2016 election. lot of folks forget about this case, but right now, that looks like it could be the first criminal case brought against former president trump. it's currently on the calendar for march 25,

and the big thing we're looking at tomorrow, again, there's a motion to dismiss. smith is not expected that will be successful, but will that case go in late march because it right now would be the first criminal case. trump will be attending that case, but at the same time, down in georgia, there is a hearing that is expected to go for two days about this effort to disqualify fani willis for her alleged involvement with her lead prosecutor, nathan wade and again, the sexual little less higher because the case isn't gonna go away. right. even if she's just qualified the criminal case will still exist. but nathan wade is going to be the first witness call to the stand to talk about his relationship with fani willis. so that is also on camera. that is really going to be something what i'm watching for is just trump do anything to distract from that, or does he let that just take the spotlight in florida? there's the money case. yes. and then we're expecting we're expecting call it no. easy way to label them. that is the case about the trump organization. very personal to former president trump in the judges. penalties

are expected to come in on friday and keelan from prison, wants to be in the new york court tomorrow, not georgia. >> i've been kind of up for debate because we were talking to our sources about where he was going to be. obviously, he's chosen to be in the courtroom several times, especially here in new york. and we are talking to one person who thought it was going to be a georgia and they said, oh, not new york because they themselves were still debating which one he was actually going to show up at tomorrow. they're happy. they're starting in the same our is the other emphasis here, and i think we talk about all of trump's legal issues all the time. i understand that it's confusing to people who aren't watching it every second, like we are. this is a really high-stakes 48 hours that's coming up here on this. trump wants to be in person tomorrow. he's asking for that case to be outright dismissed no one thinks that's going to happen, but we will wait to see what the actual dates going to be. he could still show up in georgia on friday. we don't know that he's going to do that, but certainly he has a vested interests there as well because they believe that fani willis should be disqualified and that she shouldn't be able to bring this case anymore. and so i think those are the things

that they're weighing when it comes to where and when he's going to go friday though, is the biggest one watch because that is going to be the one that goes at the heart of who donald trump is himself and he's already lost it. the question is, how much is it going to cost? >> we're going to find out friday, how much it's going to cost him. >> we'll find out friday. all right. katelyn's could have more at 09:00 at the top of the hour, about 23 minutes from now, elie honig. thank you. paula reid, as well. more breaking news. what began with cryptic remarks this morning from the house intelligence chair about a quote, serious national security threat. well, tonight we know it's about russian nuclear capabilities in space. former cia director and defense secretary leon panetta joins us next >> my life is full of questions. small, yellow, dark, i don't see any always thing. >> thankfully, ties the answer to almost all of them. >> why do we even by napkins >> goldwater, the white so it can with time, do i need to preach you call camoly this. is

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and cia director in the obama administration. first of all, mr. zachary, does it make any sense to you that mike turner, the republican house intelligence share would release a statement which drew world attention to this intelligence before the gang of eight briefing that according national security adviser jake sullivan is scheduled for tomorrow well, it's it's something that does obviously raise questions about what he was trying to >> accomplish by doing that, obviously it is a serious national security threat with the kind of information that's being reported as to why he would get ahead of the briefings and i know that the national security chief is going to be going up to the hill, both with intelligence and pentagon officials to brief members of congress on this important intelligence it just, it strikes me that what the chairman was trying to do perhaps was to try to send a

wake-up call to both the speaker and his republican colleagues. that russia still remains very much a threat to the united states. >> let's talk about, i mean, there's obviously we don't know much about the details of this, but anti-satellite technology obviously any military force would try to knock out an opponent satellites. what concerns you about this? what do you make of the little that's publicly available out there? >> well, we've been tracking this ever since i was both secretary and director of the cia >> we >> were concerned about china and their ability to use laser beams to basically in, some way destabilized. so satellites or bring them down. this involves so the possibility of nuclear weapons in space. it's a military capability and using those nuclear weapons in space to basically either paralyze

the satellites or bring them down. and what is the problem? the problem is that we use satellites for communications purposes. we use satellites for intelligence purposes. we use satellites for gps purposes. and other information purposes as well that relate to our national security. if russia could blind our ability to be able to gather that kind of information, make no mistake about it. that would be an act of war because it would threaten our national security i mean, is that technology i assume the us would be looking into that any kind of technology like that themselves well without, without question, i mean, the united states would obviously be looking at similar ways to be able to disable >> both chinese and russian

satellites. but more importantly to defend against their use of these kinds of military capabilities. so i'm sure that, the pentagon is developing the ability not only to track what the russians are doing and determine whether or not they're going to try to deploy something like this. but also how how do they defend against it if it should happen? >> it is, i mean, if that is was mike turner's objective to kind of wake house republicans up a little bit about russia's intentions or the reality of russia i mean, that's an interesting idea given i mean, do you think it would have any impact even on support over the war for ukraine in the war against russia >> well, you know look, i think one of the worst messages, the united states is sending right now to the world and to russia is, are delaying the

supplemental request in terms of military aid to ukraine to israel to taiwan and what what's essentially happening is that we are playing putin's game right now by those who are refusing to take up the supplemental. so does it jeopardize our national security, your rights? it does. >> not to mention the former president saying that he would encourage russia to invade a nato country that doesn't pay its bills >> well, his liking that >> just adds to the concern because now you've got former president of united states inviting putin to attack another name it'll country if they aren't, somehow fulfilling their 2% pledge, it's crazy. it's, it's something that obviously concerns our allies when a former president says something like that, i just hope that the

speaker and republicans who need to look at the senate, there was a bipartisan vote, a strong bipartisan vote 70 votes that voted for the supplemental. i think the house both the speaker the republicans, the democrats, have to come together to now move this supplemental. it is critical to the message we sent to the world about us world leadership. >> them, panetta, thank you for your time. it could be coming up the us naval fight against iranian backed militants in the red sea. or natasha bertrand got a rare look aboard a carrier and destroy are patrolling one of the world's most vital shipping lanes. she joins us next how far would you go to control the fragrance in your home? there's an easier way. dry air wake vibrant with two times more natural essential oils, but up to 120 days of amazing fragrance dual pack. now, that's a breath of

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>> the uss dwight d. eisenhower our aircraft carrier, which the president ordered to the red sea in november in response to the houthi attacks, has been working at a frenetic pace to keep up with the threat. >> they have tried to target coalition forces, us forces, through swarm attacks using multiple uavs using multiple anti-ship listed missiles and anti-ship cruise missiles >> they >> are trying everything that they can, but we are prepared for anything that they might throw away >> fighter jets are launched from the icc roughly 50 times per day, staying airborne for hours at a time. so they can quickly strike targets inside yemen and over the red sea see we were woken up early this morning, run for 30 am to the sounds of alarms blaring on this aircraft carrier assign year of a potential imminent threat by a houthi drone that was flying over the red sea. that alarm indicating that these fighter aircraft behind me, they had to be ready to respond, potentially the ad a moment's notice that drone was

quickly deemed no longer a threat, but it demonstrates how risky the mission is. the houthis have also been trying to hit the jets flying over yemen with surface to air missiles. officials told cnn, you're flying these missions against the houthis. can you talk a little bit about what is your the most challenging aspect of these missions they are doing on a near daily basis. >> well, first off, this isn't exactly where we expected to be on this deployment whenever you're doing something for the first time in a region that's not without risk, but we have managed that risk too. our strike group and our air crew through the management of combat power >> with no end in sight to the houthi attacks us it's officials tell cnn, they don't know how much capability the rebels have left as they continue to be resupplied by iran. >> i will three is electronic attack. >> the commander of the carrier strike group told cnn they will stay in the red seat for as long as necessary. >> the sustainability, we can

go for a long time we've got our logistics train already mapped out to stay here as long as the president needs us to stay here >> now anderson, one of the big questions that we came away from this experience with is how much of the houthis capabilities has the us actually been able to destroy with their repeated strikes inside yemen these strikes or near daily occurrence. now and officials on board the ships didn't have a great answer for us. they don't have a good sense of just how much weaponry the houthis still have stockpiles. and that is going to be a really key question when it comes to just how much longer the us is going to have to actually sustain this campaign in the red i've seen keep those sailors and those pilots in the red sea and keep them deployed where they've already been deployed with really no break for the last four months there. >> anderson, natasha, thanks so much. appreciate it. we'll be right back. >> did you know there's a way

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