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information key bits of information that are of considerable interest to the defendants in this case is they are trying really to use this to their advantage and they might very much be able to. >> and let's put it into context. the implications here for this case could be huge if the da is dismissed it may be hard to find another prosecutor that want to take on such a complex brawling rico case, not to mention one that is politically fraught. i mean, the da has gotten threats to her life. so going up against those co-defendants, including the former president's, some of the rhetoric that we've heard from him, it would not be an easy task for anyone to take on this case if willis is dismissed? so the entire case potentially is at play here. we have a star-studded panel of folks to discuss all the legal implications of willis testifying. let's go to laura coats and talk about specifically what the defense team wants to probe here with the district attorney there we're talking about the issue of reimbursement

>> the idea that was presented by nathan wade that fani willis gave him cash for trips that they took together, that he paid for with his business credit card as he was being paid by the da essentially by public funds to prosecute this case. so that's one aspect the funds. and then secondly, the timeline of the relationship. were they interrelationship or romantic relationship? when she hired him? laura >> well, first of all, just notice how she wanted to get to that witness stand. she has been fighting this for a very long time and she wants to be now testifying about these matters. and here might be one of the reasons why nothing has been established because she had saved one witness who may have had an ax to grind, who is a former employee, ended up resigning, who was given twice to the rear resign, or to actually be fired. they have that one-person it's and

provide the testimony that this way should have started back in 2019. they did not provide more evidence or more testimony about the specifics of winter actions they saw out of nathan wade. he didn't not concede the point that it'd be gotten in a romantic relationship before he was actually hired. and he had a very important point and testimony where he talked about having multiple sources of income, one from ms private law practice and the other from fulton county i mean or the state of georgia. and with the co-mingled funds, not necessarily establishing how the money was being distributed how does one have one pool of money, for example? and men say it was this dollar or his 20, or this thousand or whatever was that came from this discrete pool of finances to then do this, why is all very important? remember, we're not here for a gossip sake. we're not here to understand about their romance, whether it we will survive or whether it's already in the rearview mirror, we're here because there is a motion to disqualify her for having allegedly financially gained or benefited from this

relation ship and so if they are eight, they're able to establish that it is a direct financial benefit that rises the level of a conflict of interests that will undermine donald trump or any of the co-defendants and ends right to a fair trial or could would lessen the ledger they would have a fair trial. that's why we're here. this is a really important moment and i know that former us attorney michael moore is here there as well, who is actually from georgia and knows quite well the rules of the game when it comes to conflicts of interests in georgia, it's a very extraordinary moment the question here is, has this as stated as providing the evidence as it rise to the level of a conflict such that she must must be disqualified so far she is willing to testify on the hope they will begin, by the way, i'm not entirely convinced you guys at the judge was going to make her testify. he was asking

questions about what you would get from ms witness that you haven't already gotten from nathan wade or anyone else, and then she walked in and here's she is again, you swear me. you're on >> never would like to use guy >> go away. >> everyone gets >> situated and then we'll go you can use >> all right, we're back on the record. deputy scot, if you get swearing, our next witness in 19 apologize >> ana

>> it, is one of these >> well yes district district attorney fani fani last name is ms willis. when >> how did you know to come into court? right? that they will people i was pacing in my office and i heard someone yell his testimony has done it only makes sense to me that i would be your next witness. and i've been very anxious to have this conversation with them today i ran to the courtroom. >> so as soon as you heard that mr. wade was done testifying, that's when you just assumed you would be the next witness? >> it only makes sense >> did you listen to any of the test? >> i mean, in my office pacing, man. >> did you listen at any arguments >> i did hear that the arguments this morning is ridiculous to me that you lied on monday and yet here we still ought and i did listen to that

argument all right so that wasn't just the argument. no testimony. >> right. i listened to the argument this morning with adam, a body i thought did an excellent job pointing out, have this honest you are with the core on monday and i'm actually surprised at the hearing continuing but since it did here, i am right so let's talk about first, let's just talk about what you did in preparation for today did you meet with mr. wade at all once the once the motion was filed, did you meet with mr. wade and talk to him about the motion that i filed to disqualify you on january 1, january motion? yes. >> i don't know if you could say talked about i probably had some choice words about some of the things that you see that we're honest within this motion so i don't know that it was a conversation. as you know, mr. wade is a southern gentleman. me not so much. >> okay. but my question was, did you have a conversation that have a substantive conversation you did not read

this motion skimmed it. maura so and i've probably said some choice things to him about the lives they were told. okay. but imprinted in the media because we used to be in a date and time where you had 60 minutes and people did stories and they verified information. and you had this great reporting. but it seems today that a lawyer right to lie and then it's printed for all of the world to see what i just want to make sure that your answer the question i asked. my question was >> that hasn't overruled, mr. body >> i told you what happened. >> i read the motion i am sure i told him what my opinion of it he is and pass that we had no substantive conversation. >> you did not >> something you didn't understand? no. i just wanted to make sure that you did not have a meeting with him in the conference room to discuss the motion is question that was merger. so in the in the

conference room of my office within this week you produce some financial document. that financial document was given to me, some thing and i'm not even sure it was given to him by me or mr. nobody gave it to me and i think he showed me a document in our conference when as far as a substantive conversation, i would not have i don't believe i've had any conversation with him that is substitute related to this. i have had conversations with him since you filed the motion, but they wouldn't be substantive to this. he sent me very nice sermons that have been done. and so we've had conversations about did you listen to that sentiment? you know, things of that nature. and i would say they were in relationship to this because i think he did it to be kind >> let's start back in 2019 so you and mr. wade met in october 2019 at a conference? >> that is correct. f not think

in one of your emotions, your tried to implicate on slept with him at that conference, which i find to be extremely offensive. i stayed at that conference mr. wade was my teacher i did not meet him when he taught the class. i was standing outside talking to lisa to as a judge, me and her work just having a conversation. mr. wade walks up, think they hug each other. they have some brief conversation. she introduces a real object the question that a speech so i object to speak the uyghur. >> you don't able to explain my answers. >> i believe he is able it's merchant that's okay. i can handle that, ms willis, i'll ask you to listen to the answer or excuse me, the question and keep the answers can find the questions best you can. i think you'll have more than enough ample opportunity on when the state with someone lies on you and it's highly offensive when they catch implicate that you slept with somebody the first day you met with them. and i take exception to all ms willis

shelby, you have the opportunity to explain all that when it's the same starting to ask more open-ended questions, ms merchant? >> thank you, judge >> so again, my question was, you all met at that conference the right. we via the he stated he taught the class. i did not actually meet him when he taught the class. i walked out of the class and i'm not sure from that exact class, so we have went to lunch, but we were standing in the vestibule like outside of the class. me and judge reason we're having a conversation. she had worked at a law firm. i worked at back in 1996. >> we're getting away of far i mean, i don't mind her explain your answers, but i literally just ask that none of conference lining house been that way, which was exactly the question asked by ms merchant. >> there was standards are >> more than appropriate >> ms merchant, if you want more concise answers, perhaps you could lead the witness. i will. thank you, judge. >> isn't it true that you >> met mr. wade october 2019, judges common my cousin gotten but what we're ms militia, be treated. awesome. >> i think we have very much want to

>> here, so i'm not a hostile witness. i very much want to be not so much that your hostel, this will be adverse witness. your interests are opposed. ms merchants. >> merchants entrance contribution contrary to democracy, your honor, not to mind all right >> that we can keep things moving. ms murphy, next question, please. >> okay. so we've confirmed when you met after that, isn't it true? >> i need to explain this and i think i get to explain my answers when i met him. judge reef introduced us he handed me his business card. i'm unsure if i handed him business card, but we changed information. he said if you ever need any help, give me a call and he walked to the parking lot so after after that, you started dating shortly thereafter, correct? >> a lie. that's one of your lives >> do you robin uri? >> i know her as robin bryant i knew her robin did not go to my

college. she went to the college of i went to howard university. she went to morgan state. >> i >> met her through some people i knew in college, we hung out a bit. not much because she was in baltimore and i was in one washington dc on but we hung out a bit after college. i lost contact with i probably didn't see robin again until maybe seven or eight years ago. a chance meeting here in atlanta. but we did not have a consistent relationship from when i left college and came to me law school here in atlanta. but eight to ten years ago just by happenstance, i ran into her it was an atlanta you have been friends with robin for 30 something years >> did you hear my answer, madam? yes. and i'm asking if you've been friends with her for 30 something years. >> i've known her for 30 something years. we certainly hung out and party together in college. she was from the dco. you she would come home. we partied together wasn't close, but she was suddenly in the

girlfriends that party together and then, like i said, i ran into her about ten years ago in atlanta, georgia. >> so he didn't >> talk throughout that time period. i didn't see her. i didn't even know where she was when i ran into her, i was surprised she was in atlanta and so yes, i have known her probably since 1990, 1991, but we have not maintained a consistent relationship that hold on >> the last ten years or five, whatever, you'd like to classify it as, have you been friends with her? >> i have not spoken to robin in over a year. i certainly do not consider her a friend now, i think that she you know there's a saying no good deed goes on, punished and i think that she'd be trade our friendship. so look, we are down the timeline now. so my questions are gonna be from >> the time period of 2019 until she no longer was employed for you the last time you all talk. so all of my next questions are just focused on that timeframe, okay? >> yes, ma'am.

>> up until she left her office? yes, ma'am. >> during 2019, you all were friends, correct? >> yes. we knew each other in 29 i think during 2020, you all were friends, correct? we weren't >> we yes, we were friends. and when that time period during 2021, you all were friends, correct? yes >> and such good friends that when you needed a place to stay, you asked her if you could take over her lease? >> that's a lie. >> you did not have been to her apartment >> that's not the way you characterize it as long i asked if you asked if you could take over her lease. i did not ask you if i could take over her lease. >> did you move into her apartment? >> i'm i moved into her condo in april of 21. the circumstances around that well, that robin met her husband they want it to move into a another and separate place. she wanted to get rid of her condo. my father was living with me at the house because of this case and because of my stance on gangs, my life was being threatened regularly my father urged me to leave our home. at

the same time as luck would have it. robin wanted to give up her leaks because she wanted to move in with this new man she met, who eventually became her husband. and life circumstances worked my dad was begging me to leave the house. he was afraid for me, afraid for his grandchildren. she wanted someone to take over her leaves so that she didn't have to pay a fee or get abandon and so i don't remember when probably march or april of 21 >> i'm moved >> in and take over her lease. >> and did you pay heard did you pay the leasing agent >> and i don't even know who >> the leasing agent was. i paid her he paid her. did you pay your cash or do you use part? >> there was some times that i would give her cash and they'll but mostly i paid her via cash app that would be the most convenient thing. i would not only give her her rent, but then when the utilities would come in, whatever the utility was, she might be like, i need 70 bucks, i need to nadal is whatever it was and we never had a problem on monday. whatever she told me it was, i never asked to see a bill. i

never questioned her. i just gave it to what what percentage would you say you paid cash versus cashapp. >> oh, most the vast majority was killed i don't know what percentage i'm not going guessed that. but the vast majority was cash but there will be time she would say this bill came in and 70 bucks, 70 bucks >> did you have a monthly rent? amount that you paid her >> i can't remember. it was 14, $1,500. i can't remember what it was and it would vary which i don't understand to this day. but like i said, i never questioned when did you about said it was that's what i paid when probably moved in february, either late january or early february of 20 a 22. yes. that marie 2022 is january february the 22 i believe it is january, but i paid her half the rent in february of 22 is what i remember. because i was offering to pay the whole way even though i didn't live there, i didn't think it was right. and she i didn't i ended

up just paying her half the wind so that's after you move down. >> you set your head, you're have that. okay >> the time that you said you had to move out of your house because you were scared. did your dad stay there or your house? >> my father was concerned, yes, we were both concern. >> but he's he remain there. my father is 80 years old. he would've been 79. he was scared to death of covid. you have to go back to when this was my father's an older man i wanted him to move out. we had some discussions about him moving out and what he decided was the risk of covid was more dangerous than the risk of the people that were threatening typical man more worried about his daughter and his grandchildren than his own safety. you'll get to meet them and you'll understand he doesn't scare too easily >> so your grandkids, his grandkids were living at the house as well at that time? >> well, i don't know how old your children are, but when you have adult children they leave and they come back. they leave

and they come back. so there have been periods of time that they're there they call them whatever they want to do. children do with children do >> as long as their mother has a house, they'll unfortunately now the threats because of this case have gotten so extreme. i just pay a mortgage and no one lives there. >> and that's what i was going to ask you. so when you moved out in, i think you said april 2021, you left your dad and your two kids at the house? i did. and my 2q we're not at the house. >> they were not okay. so they didn't still live at your house >> my youngest daughter certainly did not live there. my oldest daughter would come back and forth. i can't say month from when she was there when she was not there. i know that she has been there post mi moving out at this time. no one is at my house so at some point after you moved out for the safety reasons, you're at least one of your children did come merchant. >> can we get to either the relationship is financial? >> so let's see, we were back at 2021. so you were still

friends with ms erd then were you also friends with mr. bradley? >> i don't i've never been formed with mr. bradley. >> you've never been friends with mr. bradley? >> no, i don't. i don't consider us to be friends. i said i don't dislike mr. bradley, but i don't consider us to be friends as he someone that you would have in your phone and you would message was i might've text message tim. >> okay. >> would you text message him and mr. wade on the same conversations? >> i don't recall doing that, but if it happened, it wouldn't surprise me. >> okay. so that wouldn't surprise you. >> three of you. okay? >> how >> frequently would you think that the free of you would have text? that's not very >> i wouldn't think very often, but, you asking me to recall. i don't even know what time period you're asking me to recall, but i'm not going to speak to that because i just really don't know the answer to that. and so i don't want to speculate as to how often that would happen, but it's not out of my practice. to text to

people on one text message. so if you told me that happened in showed it to me, it wouldn't surprise me, although i have no recollection of it. >> but there would be some records record of it in your fund for the phone records would have some record of those texts >> carets >> talk about. you said that sometimes you paid mr. garrity cash i don't. when you went i'm sorry. when you went on vacation with mr. wade let's let's just go one-by-one. let's let's start with the first one was the first time you went on vacation when mr. wade? >> i think the first time we went on vacation was around april of 22 when it's a vacation is a stretch. but i'm trying to be comprehensive. i recall april of 22, his birthday is march the 18th. so that would have been his 49th birthday i took him to like, tennessee for the day. i think we went to a museum i think we

might've stayed the night. i'm not sure. >> but tennessee is kind of hard to call a vacation, but i just in trying to be inclusive like i said, i don't think no, it wasn't more than a day >> again, spend the night. >> i think that we did. that's what i'm telling you. i think that there's a possibility that we stayed that night in april of 22, paid for the hotel. i think i did. >> it's his birthday. >> would you have used a credit card? >> probably, maybe a debtor? >> all right. we are trying to re-establish the signal there at a critical point in time is fani willis. all right, let's go right back to the courthouse. >> it was right around then april 2022 20 around the i don't know, like it's not like when you're in grade school, when you send a little letter in his says, will you be my girlfriend and check it? i don't know the day that we

started seeing each other, but it was early 22 is my recollection. early 22. and you all went to florida on vacation as well? >> i don't recall going to florida on vacation with him. >> he never went to florida with mr. way we went to when we went to get on the cruise ship, we went to miami. >> that's all. >> they went to florida with him. >> i think we went to miami and spent the night that's my recollection. okay. i think >> we spent one night >> so that we wouldn't ms the ship that's my recollection of are paid for that hotel. in miami >> i don't remember that and how did you get to miami >> we would have >> flown and we've done that. so i'm clear. we've done that twice. i think one time we stayed and i honestly can't tell you. did we stay when the ship left or did we stay when the ship came back? i also can't tell you. there's two cruises out of miami. there's one that's in that october time period that was with his

mom. and then there was another that was a new year's eve trip. i know i paid for the new year's eve trip because the tickets were 697 each i thought this is ridiculous that the tickets are $700 to go to miami. but when you travel during new year's eve, they get you. >> so let's just back up and talk about the first time that you went to florida with mr. wade that was the time that you said you stayed in miami at the hotel the first night? >> that's the time i told you. i am not sure. i'm not sure of two things, so i want to make sure that my testimony is clear. i'm not sure if we stayed in miami on the october trip. i'm not sure if we stayed in miami on the december trip. i just can't remember that. and i also don't remember so that the record is clear. i don't remember if the necessity was as we got the ownership or we off the ship. but i do remember there was a night spent in miami because either whatever i don't remember, but i think that there was a night spent in miami that cruz is the one that you took in october, right? >> ma'am, i if you have something to refresh my

recollection, i'm intentionally and trying to not be difficult with you, but i don't want to make up something. i know that on one of those two trips and stayed in miami i am not sure right now. you're asking me about oh, i think i'm sorry, you misunderstood. i wasn't asking you which i was not asking you which night you stayed in miami. i'm asking if you took a cruise in october 2022 with mr. wake? yes. and his mom and his mother? >> yes. >> is that the first time you met his mother? >> yes. >> it was on that cruise and that was royal caribbean, i believe >> you two i honestly don't remember what shipped to taken to cruises. i don't know what the ships were but he paid for the flight and the crews on a royal caribbean that time yes, he paid he is the original one that does it. he has something called mr. wade is a world traveler. i'm not as birth to him. he'd been to six of the seven continents and so he has both a personal travel agent and he also has a cruise travel

agent. >> i >> don't know anything about either of those kind of travel agents. so he is the one that would book the travel but we need to be clear when we're talking about just because he booked it does it mean like i don't consider him having taken me any place. let me just be honest. the only point that's ever taken somebody someplace is for his 50th birthday. i consider that i took him to believe and i took him to believe because no, i don't want to discuss his personal business, but i'm happy mr. wade is still here with us and i did 50 big very big >> so still on that october royal caribbean cruise, even though she had a novel agent, i'm sorry. >> if you do me a favor >> i don't >> know what cruise ship what time that's all if you'll help me and say october cruise with mama for the new year's eve trip with his sisters. i'll be able to weaken rock communicate. i just don't know what ship october crews of mama

that's what i'm talking about. he paid for the crews and the flights for that trip so he called his crews agent and he bought that through them because he has a cruise agent. right? he also has a regular agent. i don't know the >> crew's agents name, so i wasn't asking about his travel agent. i was just asking but i'm trying to aid for those. >> he did not though. okay. because the reason i consider that he did not is i guess gave him his money back and i was about to ask that, but initially he paid for them. yeah, he he called his crews agent like i think they have his card on record. they do whatever. >> okay. >> so initially he paid for the crews and the flight to miami and the world for being crews. >> and my understanding of that october cruises like it was a package, the lady did for him and i'll get to the reimbursements and all that. i'm just trying to confirm. he paid for the flight and the crews in october. >> and i think that when you say things that way, i want this record to militia abundantly clear that he calls his troutville agent. he calls his crews akan, they do whatever he tells him he liked on a first-name basis with

these people. they do it. and then he tells me how much it is. and i give them the money back. i don't just like you're asking me about the money with robin. i don't do my friends like that so if you tell me it's a g, then you're going to get $1,000 whatever it is. i didn't ever make him produce receives to me whatever he told me it was. again, the money back isn't it true that he paid for the crews and the flight on his credit card and not asking about reimbursement or after he used his credit card to buy the crews and by the flight, correct. >> have no idea how he paid for it if it's a credit card, if it's a debit card, but certainly he called his crews agent no. like how many people have a cruise age? he calls his crews agent, tells them where they want to go. they tell him what's booked you have to remember. he didn't just he paid for that initial was me, him and his mother >> and then after that, cruz, you all flew to aruba and spent a couple of days in hotel there, correct? >> right. and his mother was not happy that he initially

paid for that for aruba? yes, ma'am. >> so let's talk about both of those. >> i know he initially paid for it. >> did you pay him back? >> for the crews and for aruba? yeah. gave him his money before we ever went on that trip. >> you gave him cash before you ever won on the trip. >> okay >> so when you got >> cash to pay him back on these trucks, would you go to the atm? >> no, lady you would not go to the atm. no. >> okay. >> so fulton county pays you direct deposit, i assume? >> yes. fulton county and the state of georgia both pay me direct facets. okay. >> so the cash that you would pay him, you wouldn't get it out of the bank. >> i have money in my house. >> you've monday in your house, so it was just money that was there when you meet my father. he is until you as a woman, you should always have, which i don't have. so let's don't tell him that should have at least six months in cash at your house at all time that i don't know why it is old black man feels like that >> but he

>> does when we were growing up, my daddy had three safe so now my father bought me a lockbox and i always keep cash in the house. now, i don't do it to the degree that my father would do it. so he you'd probably be shamed with me. but i always have cash at the house that has been i don't know all my life. if you're a woman and you go on a date with a man, you better have $200 in your pocket. so that may an ax up. you can go where you want to go. >> so i'll keep cash in my house and i don't keep cash is good in my purse like i used to go on many dates, but when you go on a date should have caching your pocket >> so my question was, where did that cash originally come from? if it hadn't came out of the bank, cash is fungible. cash for years in my house. so for me to tell you the source of when it comes from when you go to publix and you buy something, get $50, you throw it in there when it's been my whole life, when i took out a large amount of money on my first campaign, i kept some of the catcher that like to tell

you i just have cash in my house. i don't have as much today as i would normally have, but i'm building backup now. you just put money and it's a very good practice. i would advise it to all women. >> you can't identify when you came into this half or where the cascade i didn't say i couldn't identify it. nobody gives me anything. i am sure that the source of the money is always the sweat and tears of me, which you asked me for, is when did the money go in there? what i am trying to tell you is so i got divorced in 2005 from my husband. >> no, no, no. it's important. you said where did the money come from? what i need to tell you where the money came from so for many, many years, i have kept money in my house. that money in my worst days has probably only been 500 or thousand dollars at my best days, i probably had $15,000 in my house, kate, cash at all times, there's going to be cash in my house or wherever i'm laying my head. >> the money that you paid mr.

wade, the cash in october of 2022, you do not know where that money? >> i do know where it came from. it came from my sweat and to use you know, which job it came from. did it come from fulton county or did it come from a private jet? came from i don't i'm not what are you talking about? so it could have come from a private job because before i was da i was in private practice. so i earn money during that time period is probably in there. you don't have what do you mean? i don't know where it came from. i >> understand the situation. we can move on. okay. thanks. >> same other rubba. you don't know where that cash came for me that right. >> ma'am, you are mischaracterizing my testimony greatly i'm not going to allow you to mischaracterize my testimony i know that i keep money in my house. the amounts of money i gave it, mr. way, it was never that serious. i don't think i've ever handed him more than $2,500 in a reimbursement? so we not talking about $20,000 in cash. i don't have $20,000 in cash right now. the most i ever gave him, i know i gave him $2,500 when we went to to believe

because we went to one hotel and then we went to a second hotel, that $2,500. i actually gave him while we were still in believes i know that the aruba trip, the one that you described with his mom, think i gave him about $2,000 for that trip for total, his mom went to a ribose, the aruba trips, so i consider that to be one trip, so we got off of a cruise ship and then we went to aruba which is why i cannot remember is that the time that we had to stay in miami to wait for the flight for aruba i consider that one trip, but we didn't like come back to atlanta and leave. we went we flip who down to miami, we got on a cruise ship. we spent a couple of days with his mama. we came back to miami when we came back to miami either that day or the next day, we flew to aruba. we spent a few days in aruba and we came back. that was really one trip that even though we went to places, it was one trip let's talk about california trip

>> is that when you are moving your >> daughter out to california when you all went or what did you have to trust california? >> my daughter doesn't live in california. >> did she ever live in california? >> i'm not discussing to you location or my child. >> so how many times did you go with mr. wade, california. >> once >> and you all saving napa valley and he paid for the plane tickets and hotel he paid for the plane tickets and the hotel >> and what did you pay for? on that trip? >> i gave him much less cash that time, probably four or $500. and then i paid for a bunch of stuff. i think we did two different wine tools that you do, which are pretty expensive. >> think i bought him. he likes wine. i don't really like wine to be honest with you. i like grey goose i bought him a bottle of wine while we were there and the siblings that you do, i can't remember how many, like four or five different places you go. i remember we went to to this place that they do pairings that was the most

expensive thing that i think that we did while we were there. so they will pair they would pair champagne, chocolate, and campaign chocolate and caviar. it was a three and it was like three different things. sweden, russia is someplace else. i'll make that up. but that, that was the most expensive thing we did that trip and i paid for i paid for that. >> you pay cash >> for us doing that. yeah. i think but that did not cause me a lot of money. i might took like $750 in cash on me because we weren't gone very long. >> and then i only asked if you paid in cash. i don't even have emails >> when i travel, i always say is the cash that you keeping your house or do you keep it at the counter that you were living in? >> so at that point, it wouldn't be at my house and i'm sorry if i was not clear, the money would be wherever i laid my head so i wouldn't leave the money at the house if i was unclear, no. money is going to be where i said, how

much did you pay for your trip to panama? to where animal i believe i didn't go to the rhyming at the location wrong. i never went to panama. went to pet them all with his frat brother. >> oh, he went to panama this for others so tell me about let's see. so i want to make sure i've got i've got believes you already covered believes you covered the let me tell you, i real trips. in october we went with we went on the cruise with his mom. we got back from the crude with his mom and we went to aruba. i consider that one trip second trip. new year's eve, we went on a cruise to the bahamas. that's the second trip will make sure i get this right. third trip, 100% on me. i think he might have been $200 on that entire trip we went to believe that was my trip. that was his 50th. and then napa valley, we went around may i don't know the dates, but it seems to me like it was close to mother's

day and those are the only trump's that the record is completed. i can remember one time driving to where we south carolina and we met my sister for lunch with her man. when was asked day that i don't know, but we didn't stay the night there. but i guess people would consider that a trip if you drive somewhere and you come back, that was insane because like five hours to drive, we ate lunch and we drove right back i can remember driving to some little town in georgia. i don't even know where i was i had never been there before after just some bolts, you can get on over two and they like a slave thing if that gives anyone in your reference, we didn't do that i remember doing that i remember driving one time to charlotte. we had much with one of my very close girlfriends and again, we drove to charlotte, met my girlfriend for much and drove right back. so that's a trip. we didn't stay the night

there, but i just want to be completed. my testimony. we drove someplace, had lunch, drove back >> i don't >> remember another driving someplace distant for lunch and coming back to charlotte to see your girlfriend? to meet my sister in south carolina. we went by ourselves when i told you about that remote place in georgia we could have driven someplace else and had lunch and came back, but that's all that comes to my recollection right now. there could have been another place we drove and had lunch my security team was very clear to me. i'm not to be out in about in atlanta without them. and so for me to do something just very normal that a normal person would get to do. they weren't prosecuting this case. i got to drive four hours to do and that's how it's going to ask you your security detail. did they take you to in from your house?

>> they take well, so i haven't been able to enjoy my home condo. i'm sorry, in march or you lay >> your head, do they take you to and from where you let your head 99%? some of the time, would they take mr. wade to and from wherever you laid your head? >> that is never in the history of ever happened, ever. okay. your security team has never taken him from my house >> that's a lie >> another if >> they've ever taken him and i'm telling you that that's never happened. so your security team has never taken i security team has never taken mr. wade from any place where i have lived in, brought him here never, not once. not ever >> have they ever taken the two of you together to william anywhere? >> we've left this building and for gone too much, but i go to lunch so rarely that that is a very rare occasion. i am sure. and let me be clear. it wouldn't just be mr. wade. so i'm sure my security team has taken me to lunch probably been a time i've left here 07:00,

going to get something to eat. and i don't even know that they would have taken him or if he would have driven himself but they've taken me to do that, but we are talking very few very far in between. most days, i don't even eat lunch. and when i do is because my assistant has heated up some bags, something and i eat through meetings and itamar office. it's not a practice of mind to go to lunch during the time period that you were dating? and your security team ever take you two together anymore? >> no. never >> if there was a lunch that occurred that i just described if there was a meal that i that i just described anything outside of that and it needs to be very clear not often. once, twice because i want to be overinclusive. i'm saying once or twice i'm not certain that it happened, but i'd rather be overinclusive. with you >> so your office objected to us getting delta records for

flights that you may have taken when mr. wade well known >> i object to you getting records. you've been intrusive into people's personal lives. you're confused, you think i'm on trial? these people are on trial for trying to steal an election in 2020. i'm not on trial no matter how hard you try to put me on trial. so my question was you have any prior to getting any personal records of mine >> we're not dealing with privilege through a witness, and i'm not i'm not dealing with privilege. what we had offered to put them in cameras for the court to review and i just want to know if she hasn't even going to do it with a witness >> okay. >> you have to file as part of your job, something called an income financial disclosure or four, correct? >> that's correct. >> and you filed your first one, so you filed to today. >> is that right? >> is it two or three? probably would have filed 21, 22 and maybe i haven't filed 23 yet because there's going to do like june of the next year, april, i believe, so. you filed with the you filed your first

one. it looks like april 15, 2022. and your second one? april 17, 2023. that sound familiar >> i don't remember the dates, but you're an officer of the court on my hope you're telling the truth now. >> may i may approach the witness >> thank you. i already gave the state of coffee exhibit 20.20 can somebody bring me some? yeah >> guys are getting a little yes >> okay. doesn't ma'am, those are the ones that you filed? >> this this looks like me for sure yes, ma'am. yes, ma'am >> judge. we'd move to admit 20.23. >> give to delineate which one what did you 20 years, 2021. so it accounts for the time period yohana january the first 21 through december 31, 2021 that is defendant's exhibit 20.

defendants did in 2021. it accounts for the time period january first 2022 through december the 1st of 2022 or any objection to exhibits 20 and 21? no from other council? >> without objection. >> when did your relationship your personal relationship with mr. wade end our personal relationship, indeed, in this year >> so let's be let's be very >> clear so that we don't mix words. i don't want to mix words in here. mr. wade is my friend right now. mr. wade, i would say has been my friend since 2020 thank you. started out as a mentor and a professional colleague he became my friend and somebody that i really respected i feel very indebted to mr. wade for taking on the task of this job. and he is certainly my friend and one of the people that i

respect the most so if you ask about a personal relationship i consider myself to have a personal relationship right now, mr. wade, i consider myself to have a personal relationship with anna cross. i consider myself to have a personal relationship with mr. abbas i consider myself to have a personal relationship with andrew f. >> let me just clarify. the i have a personal relationship with him as we speak right now, aroma, i don't think that's what you're asking. i think >> when did your romantic relationship with mr. wade end might it end? >> me and mr. wade >> we are good friends >> my respect >> for him has grown over these seven weeks of attacks we are very good friends. i think what for these attacks, it would have been a friendship that as life goals, he would have stopped having i think that you have seen minute that will be friends to the day we die

let's just have um, i can handle this to say now, let's have it. >> yes. about personal life? yes. when the romantic relationship ended, as the question that sometime in i'd say late summer of 2023, but i don't believe me in what is what you really asking about this as the salaciousness of all of this right? >> now i'm just asking about your romantic relationship when you stop dating i asked him i think that me and mr. wade so he's a man, he probably would >> say june or july i would say we had a tough conversation in all so that means in relationships at the in the physical intimacy, women in relationships, when that tough conversation takes place and where when did he come to, i guess the condo? i'm not sure what you call it a condo apartment. would he come and stay at that condo or visit you there? i'm sorry. visit you there? >> what condo? what apartment i

want to be clear. >> so not your house. i know you classified one is house and what his kindness. i'm trying to use those terms. >> so there's been more than what you don't understand is because of this case, i got to move and so i could ask him more precise questions, please give me the time period mr. wade visit you at the place you laid your head when as he ever visited you at the place you lay your head. so let's >> be clear because you've lied in this. let me tell you which one you loud and right here thank you. live right here. >> no, no. this is a trump judge and a lot you see mr. say no. thank you. we're going to take five minutes back and find fireworks in >> court as we've listened to district attorney fani willis testifying regarding the details of her relationship with one of her lead prosecutors, nathan wade the defense they're asking your

questions about when their relationships started, when their relationship ended, fani willis at different points becoming what the judge referred to as an adverse witness delving into different aspects of even her own family history, trying to answer questions about why she reimbursed him with cash. why was that? she moved out of her home at one point, this is getting deep into personal territory for the district attorney in a way that i bet she didn't anticipate when these charges were filed against former president trump and his more than a dozen co-defendants know and i think probably the sound and i'm just going to paraphrase it of what she said was that is really going and to make headlines today is when she said, i am not on trial these people are on trial for stealing an election in 2020. i'm not on trial as much as you tried to make that. so and you saw her holding up the three filings

that came from the attorney of one of these co-defendants that were filed about her within wade and she said this is a lie. so when she asked for those three to be printed out at the beginning, you see in a way what she was doing there that was a bit of a prop because i think what we're really seeing here is that so much of her appearance? yes, it is about this case and it is about the allegations that have been made about her and about nathan wade as she is prosecuting this rico case involving former president trump and 18 co-defendants. but a lot of this is about the fact that america is watching and her reputation is on the line. her credibility is on the line about whether she and nathan wade of an honest about whether she benefited from their relationship, whether there was a potential conflict of interests, whether she is being credible as they talk about the reimbursements here and even the start date of their romantic relationship. let's go

now to laura coates. she is there outside of the courthouse. fireworks here as we hear her answering these questions quite extensively in really making her opinion known there in court, laura this is explosive finding. willis is defiant. she is confrontational, and frankly, xi is persuasive this afternoon this entirety of the proceedings, it was very clear that she was goning to come in and testify. she is angry at the person who has brought these allegations against her she is insulted by the notion that gsm mao sexually promiscuous. she is very irritated liver. the fact that she herself feels as though she is being called task and on trial, here is the fundamental flaw of the allegations against her. >> there >> is no through line yet that has been established between her financial resources his nathan wade, financial resources, and how she may or may not have financially

benefited. it is as if they are presuming that she started with a zero balance in her account and only that which came in through this particular indictment is what she has to sustain her life and nathan wade, why is that important? because they're trying to suggest that she has financially benefited from hiring nathan wade and maybe even to stay painting the indictment itself. well, she has gone to clear strengths and clear lengths, excuse me, as nathan way to suggest that there are multiple source income. she talks about her private practice in the background. the source of cash in her home and beyond as a way in a means of actually providing for herself. she was very defined i even saying he'd never took me anywhere. it had a real feel frankly of diana ross and mahogany. do you ask me about the idea of she has been plenty of places as she not to talk about nathan wade aid and his own resources and beyond. but i wanted to stress to everyone. >> do you know how >> fundamentally dangerous it

is for a prosecutor had to tell and expose her personal life. just think of the people that she is confronting, that she is prosecuting. i remember being nine months pregnant and someone saying to me congratulations and me saying, i'm not pregnant. that's how private you want to keep your life. because every single iota, every morsel you conveyed to the world can be used against you. you could be sitting there in front of, front of a jury, in front of a defendant. and now your personal life is on display. how do you think that will be used against you? how can your family now be vulnerable? you talking about where she keeps her money in her home g there is a security detail. this is extraordinary dangerous. there's tells you that very high stakes of where she is in this moment, that she is here in this moment. and let's just be very clear she's not pulling any pensions. and i tell you, i really don't think that this judge was intending to even been forced her to testify today. it is very clear that

she wanted to testify. she believes she's being lived allied about this is all undermining. she believes her credibility look, as nick valencia has said multiple times at the day today, and we all have we're not talking about the underlying charges against the former president united states and 17 other co-defendants, several of whom have already pled guilty >> we have the exact quote that brianna mentioned as we await for the proceedings to pick up again to the point that laura was just making fani willis trying to bring the focus back to the actual content of the case itself objecting to a comment made by one of the defense attorneys about getting personal records saying that that attorney has been intrusive and if people's personal lives, actually, i think judge scott mcafee is making some comments. let's listen, is of a courtroom. we all know what professionalism looks like what the quorum

looks like and devoting ourselves to the rule of law and proper advocacy. >> i would >> urge everyone to keep those principles and the mine starting with the fact that we won't talk over each other and from there >> we'll >> get through this mess merchant >> thank you, judge. >> how often did mr. wade visit you >> at a place where you were living >> between 2,019.2021 so you want to start with the lie that he lived with me and south fulton in 2019 at home. he's never been to. that's one lie you told him the document have no i didn't ask her about that. >> ms merchant, i want you to ask a very precise question. i think she's saying an answering that he did not live with her. so why don't we break that up into smaller parts? >> and i didn't ask about living, but you put in your head while we're talking about professionalism, know why we talking about professors? she put in three different

documents with me for going into respond in the files, then with the court in thousand and 19 he's never been to south fulton in 2019. i lived in south fulton he has never been to my residents in 2019. not once >> when i went in 19, he's never been to your residence? >> anyways? >> i lived in my home and south fulton before i started getting the threat they were here a health i paid for with my own sweat and tears. i'm no longer able to live there. but in 2019, i id. and in the two months of 2019 that i knew mr. wade, three months, the beginning of october all of november, and all of december. mr. wade never came to my house and sell fulton. let me help you out. i live there in 2020. he never came to my house in 2020 let alone live with me. as you put all sleep in these documents in the first three

months of 2021 when i could still enjoy my home, mr. wade never came to south fulton and it is certainly alive at live with me so in 2020 let's so when you said 20 2020, >> did mr. wade ever visit you at a place that has never been to my home in south fulton, 2020 was before i knew that a phone call was going to be made and i was going to have to abandon my home. as a result thereof, he never visited live that came to or have seen self-ruled you qualify that with your home in south folder. >> i'm that's where i lived in 2021. >> he did he ever visit you at a place that you resided >> okay >> i don't understand. you want to get a gun in 2020? i live in south hoping that's the only place i live in south to a folded that's before i had to abandon my home job. >> all right. and add my home is encore >> i never he never

>> came there. okay. so if you don't come someplace, you can live there >> that's caution. >> i'm. going to be my first time out to caution that we have to listen to the questions as and if this happens again and again, i'm going to have no choice but to strike your testimony. >> so >> i need to break this down, ms merchants question i believe was asking whether you lived anywhere other than south fold i did not live anywhere, but south fulton, georgia in 2020 and before i began my prosecution of this and it was my plan to only defend it, mr. wade, ever visit you at the condo that you've least from this year? >> he visited that kind of yes, he did. >> yes >> did he ever spend the night at that condo know just visited yet, but he did visit for sure. >> did you ever go out to eat together other than the lunches

you talked about? >> 22,019 for 2020 >> i would >> think that we probably went to lunch, but it wouldn't have been let me think. 2019 i'm going to say i don't know. i'm going to say we probably broke bread someplace in 2019. i don't remember it. but it seemed like we would have broke bread sometime in 2019 so i'm going to say yes, although i have no recollection, but it seems to me i got i go out to eat and drink, would pretty much everyone. so i'm a say yes. >> go outside of the vacations that we've already talked about? you ever go out to dinner with mr. wade? >> i mentioned to you that i object as to what time period we're asking very big questions. i thought we were treating hostile under were no longer doing that. so we're gonna go back and forth. we need to be more specific with our questions if we're going to treat her as possible. >> all right. ms merchant, it's not so much i think you can elect between leading an

open-ended questions, but i think we are still wondering about, i think we need to get back on track of focusing on the financial benefit or the relationship my next question about if you did go out to dinner, who paid when you went out to dinner? >> he paid i pay >> you both paid >> okay. so let me be real clear. we didn't say oh, the bill is $102, you get $51. i'll give $51. i don't really like that with my girlfriends. i'm upward like that with anyone he called the bill. i caught the biddle who ma'am. >> did you ever pay him through cash know. you only ever paid him through cash what yes >> we'll talk mouth. i'm very confused. never live in >> mr. wade money through cash app. know the only money you've ever given him outside of a contract is cash. >> i didn't give him money in a contract, so that was cute. but i didn't give him money out in a contract. what happened at