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granger for the ones who get it done? >> the situation room with wolf blitzer didn't night at six, cnn cnn, breaking news. >> good morning and thanks for joining us on this friday. i'm erica hill with omar jimenez in new york, poppy and phil are off this morning we are following the breaking news out of russia. hoon critic alexei navalny has died in prison. that is according to the country's prison service. navalny was 47 years old as for the cause of his death, that is a mystery at this hour. navalny was serving a 19 year prison sentence. at a penal colony near the arctic circle on charges of extremism have one of course, led nationwide anti-kremlin protests for more than a decade. he had run for office to challenge the russian establishment expose a lot of what was happening there survived several poisonings he spoke to our christiane amanpour in 2020 >> why do you want to go back? >> and i guess >> do you think you'll be safe when you go back?
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>> well, i don't think that i can have a side of the such a privilege being safe and russia, but i have to go back because i don't want these groups of killer exist in russia. i don't want putin, bill ruling of russia. i don't him being president, i don't want him being tsar of russia because, well, he's killing people. his reason why our, the whole country is degradative. he is a reason why people are so poor. we have 25 million people living below the poverty line and the whole degradation of system fortunately for me, including system of assassination i'm of people. he's a reason over that. and i want to go back and try to change it. >> we have team coverage right now on this breaking news, i want to start with clarissa ward in london. i mean carissa just explain to our viewers one just the significance of these reports, but also the significance of the timing of
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these reports. >> i think this was a moment where everybody feels chills. it is something that a lot of people had brace themselves for the possibility of since alexei navalny was taken into custody when he returned to russia after being poisoned with novichok and surviving it in january of 2021, there was, of course, a great deal of concern from his supporters and his loved ones that his life would be at risk. we saw him really in the most difficult and depraved of conditions being held, having repeated health problems, complaining that he was being overprescribed with many different and antibiotics that he was having terrible stomach issues that he was not getting adequate medical care, and yet still, he was able to keep up this town of defiance. he was able to keep continuing to communicate with his supporters via social media. and while he didn't pose a direct threat to vladimir putin in any sense, because he was
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being held and everyone understood that he was not going to be released anytime in the short term future. >> there was also, >> of course, broadly this expectation that it would be crazy for the kremlin to do something like kill him potentially while he was in custody. now, of course, at this moment, we do not know exactly because of alexei navalny's death, but there will be a feeling surely around the world, and particularly from his supporters that he would not be dead if he had not been languishing in this penal colony, if he had not been getting such poor medical treatment for the number of different health issues and abuses that he was complaining about. let's take a look now though, at the real legacy of alexei navalny's extraordinary career logo, lawyer turned opposition politician and anti-corruption campaigner.
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alexei navalny was a menace for the kremlin, who's not afraid to call president putin out directly got up to it and you put a capuchin, corruption is not just putin his is the base that he's an odd who governs openly with the help of corruption. >> but if former chicago the valley rose to prominence in 28, exposing corruption in state-owned corporations. three years later, he emerged as the leader of mass protests in the country, to allegations of fraud parliamentary elections the bounty was arrested several times during his life, including in 2013, after being convicted of embezzlement charges or it's just as he was preparing to run for mayor of moscow was a campaign he would lose probably denied all the charges and called them politically motivated a retrial in 2017 prevented him from running for office. this time president against vladimir
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people external. same year, he was attacked with a green antiseptics fluid. it caused in damage in the vision of his right eye and temporarily died his skin. greene, the leading one year later, navalny told me what kept him going the choice is very simple. you're either scared or you go on. i chose to go on a long time ago. i won't give up on my country. i won't give up on my civil rights >> exercised those rights by calling on his millions of followers across social media to protest, putting in first in the kremlin's crosshairs >> august >> 2020, on a flight from tomsk to moscow, the valley fell serious sleep hill, an emergency diversion by the plane's pilot appears to have saved his life. >> he made an >> international outcry. he was allowed to fly for treatment to
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germany where it was discovered he'd been poisoned with novichok chemical nerve agent later the cnn billing cat investigation revealed that the years navalny had been trailed by fsb agents, the kremlin has repeatedly denied any involvement but an assassination attempt and a medically induced coma didn't deter the valley from taking his fight to a higher level because thanked him whilst recovering in germany, he conducted a sting operation against an fsb agent, convincing the operative detail in a phone call how the novichok was used against him. that was then broadcast on his youtube channel. shortly after he released a video offering, russians are look at what his team called putin's palace a mansion by the black sea estimated to be worth more than 1 billion it's through material illusionism. leah, president putin denied the
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palace belongs to him or his family members >> look at january >> 2021. navalny returned to moscow after receiving lifesaving treatment in germany. he was immediately arrested for violating probation terms imposed from a 2014 case and sent to a penal colony where he went on hunger strike, protesting against a prison officials fusel the grant him access to proper medical care. he'll be remembered for his bravery in tackling corruption across russia. and as one of vladimir putin's biggest adversaries we're joined now by cnn contributors david sanger and jill dougherty, david, i know that you're at the munich security conference. obviously navalny's death coming at a pivotal moment in the us says it's sort of struggles with the issue of ukraine and aid and former president donald trump's comments about nato.
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what do you think the reaction or how this changes the calculations, the conversations that are having at the security conference now, in terms of how to deal with russian president vladimir putin, does this change? the conversation at all >> deepens it. erica, you know, on a human scale, obviously this is a huge tragedy. navalny was a man of huge courage. he took a joy in here his opposition role that i think was a bit infectious for most russians were describing before the de, they revealed this house that appears a belonged are closely linked to putin. other cases of corruption. these were all things russians knew about their leadership, but couldn't believe somebody was able to go point out he survived so many brushes with death, but mostly that that poisoning attempt where his life was saved. here in germany after a plane made an emergency
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landing us officials, i don't think had any sense of this was coming. i saw a good number of them this morning and in our conversations about russia, this never came up, but i'd say what did come up. the, this overall sense of a deepening confrontation? with moscow that was not supposed to be the way things would play out. the idea was that starting 30 years ago, more with the fall of a wall, russia would slowly get integrated into europe. that seemed to be working until vladimir putin came to the building. you see right behind me in 2007 and declared that there were parts of russia that needed to be restored. he meant territory's that had broken away after this collapse of the soviet union and we've been on a downhill run since. and i think this morning is just another sign of putin's concern that he's got a head into elections, that he'll certainly when with no cracks in his hold
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on power >> to that point, jill, i want to bring you in on this point. when we look at this and we're hearing a lot of reaction obviously coming out of munich, but also from world leaders, eu president ursula von der lansing, putin fears nothing more than dissent from his own people. you'll pick up on that point of paranoia if you will, because i think for most people too, as we look at this, alexey navalny was in this remote penal colony. yes, he could still communicate with the outside world, but the sense that he was still a real threat to vladimir putin in this moment, the paranoia that we've talked about this morning of vladimir putin can just touch on that for us. jill >> you know, i'm going back to 2017, 2019, 2021, when i was in moscow and we would cover the protests, many of them organize guys by the navalny team. and i would talk to these really sometimes 17 year-olds and i'd
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say, why are you here? i mean, is this in support of navalny? and many thing would say, well, some really navalny it's the country and my life and the fact that we've got an old theater who is keeping us from having some type of a real life. and i found that very intriguing for some people. it is, yes, they would love to see navalny as the president of russia. obviously, that will not happen and probably never would happen. obviously but i think it's more the feeling that the kremlin with an old leader, vladimir putin is now over 70. he's a very old style of communicating and navalny was a new type of guy with really modern communication he, he trolled he was really good at kind of engaging young people and talking the way a
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young person does, the kremlin could never, ever answer that in their propaganda, they were klutzy. they were not able to sound interesting and modern and this is what a problem for vladimir putin he tried and i would look at these video meetings with young people and it was really almost embarrassing. so i think it's there is human capital and moral capital that navalny had that was more valuable. let's say then probably in our polling numbers or something like that, he really touched a lot of brushes. now where we go with this, there's no question that on march 15th, 16, 17, we're going to have an election and vladimir putin, no doubt, unless there's an invasion by aliens, will be elected president of russia reelected. he could be there until he's 83 years old.
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that's not it's expected. and that will happen. >> however, what >> the people of russia are thinking is very unclear and we went back to prigozhin. we've talked a little bit about that when prigozhin rose against the military and against the kremlin, he struck a chord to a populist note that is dangerous for the kremlin because it's very unpredictable. they don't really, truly know what the russian people are thinking >> yeah. >> of >> course. >> i want to bring you back in because look, this isn't happening in a vacuum here and back in 2022, navalny wrote an op-ed in the washington post where he said in part in the context of the ukrainian russian war, while i commend european leaders for their ongoing success in supporting ukraine, i urged them not to lose sight of the fundamental causes of war, the threat to peace and stability in europe is aggressive the imperial authoritarianism endlessly inflicted by russia upon
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itself. so look, while we don't have the confirm the exact cause or nature of death at this point. how does the symbolism of his reported death in a russian prison further that described dynamic of aggressive imperial authority for terrorism >> well, i think for many people they will feel that alexei navalny's death is also the death blow for that small frame of opposition of anti-corruption of you know, liberal thought that existed within russia. that it has now been extinguished, that the fig leaf, if you like, that, the kremlin had been holding up of having these elections, has now been essentially let go and whether this election, of course is, it will take place next month but something has fundamentally changed with the death of alexei navalny. and i don't think as jill says, we yet know exactly how that will impact the russian people or what the response will be.
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>> clarissa ward, jill dougherty, david sanger. thank you all for your insight, for your expertise. stay with us. we're continuing to follow this breaking news, obviously out of russia, where the prison service says top putin critic alexei navalny has died. new reaction coming in every few seconds at this point, where take you live to the white house just ahead united states have >> scanned with jake tapper sunday night on cnn so i got you a little something warming for him, tingling for her. >> should we >> experience the thrill of bringing them together? say more than i love you, say i want you with key yours and mine is hellofresh, worth the price? >> absolutely. it's cheaper than take out and they deliver proportion good right to my door. so i can skip the trip and start cooking whenever it fits my schedule for limited time, only, go to hellofresh.com. the claim this offer looking for a bladder leak pad that keeps you dry all
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seinz is following some reaction. we're getting justin from secretary of state antony blinken. what is he saying? >> well, omar, that us officials are still working, took a confirm these reports that alexey navalny has died in prison, but secretary of state antony blinken did speak to reporters in munich about this just a short while ago, talking about how russia has been responsible in persecuting and poisoning navalny in the past. and he went on to say, quote, his death in a russian prison. and the fixation and fear of one man only underscores the weakness and rot at the heart of the system that putin has built. russia is responsible for this. we'll be talking to many other countries concerned about alexey navalny. navalny, especially if these reports bear out to be true, that is something that officials have continued to caution that they are waiting for this confirmation. that is something national security adviser jake sullivan also pointed to this morning in an interview with npr, as he called it, a terrible tragedy. take a listen it's confirmed to terrible
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tragedy. and given the russian government long in sorted history of doing the harm to his opponents and freezes real and obvious questions about what happened here, but withhold further comments on until we learn more and we are actively he can confirmation, as i know that sort of all these family is as well and will determine from there what, what comes next to those final words, what comes next, or the big questions now, facing the biden administration, president biden had repeatedly called for the release of alexey navalny, including bringing it up in his very first phone call with russian president vladimir putin when biden took office back in 2021. and then the two leaders sat down face-to-face in june of 2021, for a conversation in geneva, switzerland. and the president said that told reporters afterwards that he directly told putin that there would be consequences if navalny died while in prison take a listen >> what are you say? what happened if opposition leader
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alexey navalny dies? >> i made it clear to him that i believe the consequences of that would be devastating for russia >> now was long before russia had invaded ukraine. so there are certainly other dynamics to consider in this situation as well. now, we're also expecting vice president kamala harris to speak in about the next 15, 20 minutes in munich at the munich security conference but we will see whether she decides to weigh in on these reports are involved in these deaths as well, but this is certainly something that biden administration is taking very seriously, has a lot of concerns about in his working to confirm it at this moment, if it is in fact true that he has died while in prison? >> yeah, absolutely. so away from those remarks, from the vice president, he does certainly already impacting conversations there in munich. want to bring back clarissa ward, our chief international correspondent, clarissa, we're also now hearing as there is more reaction, we're hearing from navalny's mother >> that's right. so this is coming from novaya gazeta be russian publication. they are
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quoting navalny's mother responding to the news of his death saying, quote i don't want to hear any condolences. we saw him in prison on february 12th. he was alive, healthy, and happy, and i think that there are really speaking ericka to this sense of disbelief, that even though navalny had had so many health problems, had complained bitterly about the appalling treatment and deprivation that he was facing in this penal colony, that he had been relatively healthy relative to the circumstances that he was being held in. and so this is coming as a huge shock even though on another level, it is of course, not surprising and we'll be confirming in some ways the worst fears of many of navalny's supporters, his loved ones we have yet to hear any news from his wife, yulia or his two children. dasha and zahar we are now joined though by matthew chance, who is our
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chief international global affairs correspondent, but also of course has lived and worked in moscow for many, many years. and i'm wondering matthew, if you're hearing anything about the response of people in russia to this news and what you would anticipate more broadly, the reaction being as people learn that alexei navalny has died well i mean i think there's the shock. of course, clarissa, amongst people that i've spoken to over the course of the past couple of hours since this awful news broke about the reported death of alexi navalny, people are shocked from across the political spectrum really, that i've spoken to inside moscow. they knew of course, alexey navalny has been for a long time a target of the kremlin. he's been poisoned. he's been imprisoned. he's been moved thousands of kilometers away from where his family are staying and from the capital to
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that distance a work camp but i don't think anybody truly thought that he would be seriously killed or he would die whilst whilst in custody. and so it has come as a shock to many of the russians who i've spoken to. you have to remember as well, theresa that the debt of alexey navalny, if it if it's confirmed as it looks like it will be, comes just a few weeks before the presidential election inside russia, it's not much of a competitive procedure. it's more of sort of an opportunity to renew vladimir putin's presidency for a fifth time but already, opposition figures in russia and those in exile outside of russia are suggesting that one way for this death to be protested against is warning russians to go into the polling booths when it comes to the middle of march
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and the election day. and to write alexey navalny's name on the ballot paper to show their opposition to what's taking place in russia right now. and specifically this apparent death of alexey navalny right? >> matthew and i think it will be very interesting to see whether there is any sort of galvanizing moment here, whether we do see more protests to the extent that protests are still possible. and russia, and obviously we're keeping a very close eye, erica, on any and all reactions we are trying to get in touch with alexei navalny's family and of course we'll be updating you as soon as we hear and learn more. yeah, absolutely be interesting to see too, if that right out, write in campaign works out whether we would actually be told of those actual results. clarissa matthew, appreciate it as always. if you're just joining us, the breaking news this hour, russian opposition leader, top putin critic alexei navalny has died in prison according according to russia's prison service. meantime, vice president kamala harris set to speak at any
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when you are seeing what is playing out this morning, not just the reaction that we're seeing internationally and the questions that are being raised but the fact that alexey navalny died in this penal colony near the octet arctic circle. we know how difficult the conditions were, what his health was on. what are your questions this morning? what concerns you? >> i mean, erica, i think my question is, how weak is latimer putin, but he did this now, because let's remember march 17th of the russian elections i'm very recently the russians, they control their elections, but they do create a sense of competition. they have opposition figures who are allowed to run. their governments sanction opposition leaders. one of them actually adopted an antiwar platform. he got 200,000 people to find petition to run, there were people lining up all over different parts of russia. so all of a sudden you had someone who was not sanctioned anymore by the government giving an anti-war message which of
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course would have caused great consternation in the kremlin. they would only need to think about lukashenka and belarus who had an uprising also, justice several years ago on the on the heels of an as part of an election. so i think that putin was feeling really weak. the other thing is this is the first day of the munich security conference and putin declared about ten years ago that this organization, that people who i'm here are the western countries. and that's europe, japan, you know, all of our allies, the united states, that he viewed us as adversaries that we were not allowing him to read establish his sphere of influence throughout the former soviet space. so that's another part of it. and then finally, vladimir kara-murza just wrote an op-ed in the washington post. he published it. he's there's another political prisoner who's in jail in siberia and he's been poisoned twice. we need to get him out as soon as possible. he's clearly in danger as well. >> now what we're awaiting at a moment to hear from the us
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vice president kamala harris at that munich security conference. and clarissa one of the things that we had been looking at was back in 2021, president biden said, if navalny died in russian custody, the consequences would be devastating. we don't know that navalny was intentionally killed at this point, but he did die in a russian prison. what are the stakes of vice president kamala harris's remarks here on the global scale. and this moment well, it certainly feels like a very pivotal moment and everybody is aware of the background and the context. when you look at what's going on with us politics with ukraine, aid being held up with the presumptive republican nominee, former president donald trump, continuing to disparage nato, there is a sense but this is a very important moment at the same time, i think people are quite sanguine about the fact that vice president kamala harris will be limited in terms of the types of promises that
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she can make when we are now just eight months ahead of the us election. and when there is so much political disagreement within the us about what the role of the us and the world should be and whether promoting democracy should be a priority for the us at the same time, i think of course you can expect to hear some very strong comments. i'm sure the white house or furiously thinking about the messaging around this, about how they respond when people ask about the fact that president biden had previously said this with regards to the potential death of alexey navalny and i just want to draw your attention as well to something that my colleague just flagged to me, which is in the documentary navalny, which is this extraordinary oscar winning documentary about his poisoning with novichok and the subsequent investigation that cnn and bellingcat were involved with he says, at the end of it, quote if they kill me, it means we are incredibly
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strong and he ends with a sort of haunting and prescient message to the russian people. you are not allowed to give up. and i think fundamentally this underscores really whatever vice president kamala harris says and whatever the leaders of the who are present in munich today say, it really will come from within russia. it really will depend on the russian people themselves as to whether this turns into a pivotal moment or whether this this is indeed the death blow for any semblance of any opposition in russia. >> and eyes will be trained so tightly right on the country, on those reactions to see also want to bring in alex marquardt, who is in munich at the security conference. again, as we're waiting for remarks from vice president kamala harris, who we knew was going to do her best to reassure for nato members of the u.s.'s commitment to that organization, the stakes have certainly changed as omar was pointing out for these remarks
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that we're waiting on, how has the conversation change just in the last couple of hours there, alex, on the ground since news of navalny's death broke well, no doubt, erica, this is going to dominate the conversation over the next few days. this munich security conference just getting underway. i mean, there's no bigger stage, perhaps in the world when it comes to discussions about global security. and really the conversation was intended to focus on what is going on in ukraine the west support for ukraine and what it would mean if essentially a putin were to have his way in ukraine. and here we have the foremost critic of vladimir putin dead in a penal colony. now certainly the us is trying to figure out what happened here. we are awaiting comments for speech rather, by vice president kamala harris. that is to be followed by a question and answer session in just a few moments time. it is unclear right now whether she plans to address it, but it's hard to
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imagine eric and omar that she doesn't. this is certainly huge news here in munich. it is dominating the conversations in the hallways. in this this hotel behind me where all the meetings are taking place. we did hear from secretary antony blinken just moments ago. he's been having a series of meetings with various world leaders that will continue throughout the course of the day. he doesn't have a public event until tomorrow. but i want to read a little bit of what he said. he is still calling these reports. so there isn't it an official confirmation from the us government. but he said that for more than a decade, the russian government has prosecuted, poisoned and imprisoned alexey navalny, and that his death in a russian prison and the fixation and fear of one man only underscores the weakness and rot at the heart of the system that putin has built. now, harris and blinken are here to essentially reaffirm american leadership in the world, talk about america's leadership and
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nato and the importance of that. and essentially paint a picture of what could happen if president trump were to come back into power on america? that is more isolationist and america that is perhaps more authoritarian in america that are a world rather that would be perhaps more susceptible to the likes of vladimir putin. so that is all being brought into a much starker focus now, with the death of putin's principal critic alexey navalny tell me and >> again, we are waiting as you see some live images there from the munich security conference to hear from vice president kamala harris some of what we saw on that screen. there maybe a preview of what we're going to hear the us in the world. what does the future for the support of ukraine look like? how does the us handle challenges to its democratic patrick system, i want to bring in matthew chance now, math you as well, have have spoken with navalny in the past here. can you just provide a little bit of context for an opposition
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leader in terms of russia, but a leader in terms of the global scale of really what his influence was. and will likely continue to be even in death. >> yeah. i mean, it's a good question because i mean, look, one of the reasons that alexei navalny was so dangerous to the kremlin is that he really managed to put his finger on the pulse of grievances inside russia itself amongst ordinary russian people, his opposition organization focused on exposing corruption and corruption for anybody who knows russia and certainly for russians living, there is a sort of daily part of life in that country and it's something that really angers you. >> i'm so sorry. i just want to interrupt really quickly. if vice president calmly harris is second, stepping up to the podium right now, let's listen in >> thank you. >> thank you. thank you >> thank you for your leadership. before i begin
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today, we've all just received reports that alexei navalny has died in russia. this is of course, terrible news which we are working to confirm my prayers are with his family, including his wife, yulia, who is with us today and if country firmed. this would be a further sign of putin's brutality whatever story they tell. let us be clear russia is responding ansible and we will have more to say on this later as q-star said, this is my third time here. and i'm ana there to be with so many friends this year, we gather amid an increased instability and conflict in the middle east next, we gather amid russia's ongoing aggression and ukraine china's efforts to reshape the international border.
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transformative technological change. and of course, the existential threat of the climate crisis in this context next, i know that there are questions here in europe and around the world about the future of america's role of global leadership these are questions the american people must also ask ourselves whether it is in america's interest to continue to engage with the world or to turn inward whether it is in our interest to defend longstanding rules and norms that have provided for unprecedented peace and prosperity or to allow them to be trampled. whether it is in america's interest to fight for democracy or to accept the
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rise of dictators and whether it is in america's interest to continue to work in lockstep with our allies and partners or go it alone >> today, i will >> explain how president biden and i answer these questions with full knowledge that how america responds will affect the american people the people of europe. and people around the world i believe it is in the fundamental interests, vice president of the american, vice president common while harris there speaking at the munich security conference, coming out and in her opening remarks expressing her condolences to the family of alexey navalny calling it terrible news. again, learning this morning from the russian prison service, we have not been able
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to confirm this at alexey navalny died, the vice president going on to say, and i'm quoting her here, if confirmed it would be further sign of putin's brutality and whatever story they tell us. let me be clear. she said russia is responsible. she went on to then say that they would have more to say, but very very strong words out of the gate there. i want to bring in now anchor and chief washington correspondent, jake tapper, as well as our chief internet shall angle anchor christiane amanpour, jake, we were obviously anticipating that she would address the news of navalny's death. those words very strong out of the gate. it will be interesting to see, as she said, there would be more what they are followed by jake yeah. >> i think i'm matthew chance made this point a few minutes ago and i just want to underscore it. remember, alexey navalny first came to prominence in russia battling corruption he didn't first come to prominence trying to run for office, trying to challenge putin on the political sphere. he was trying
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to point out how corrupt the oligarchy in russia was. and he got in trouble. he had some legal problems because of that trumped up bogus legal problems. and then he was poisoned likely by russia, likely by putin in august 2020. and then from then we saw his jailing on the unjust circumstances. a few weeks ago, he disappeared. people didn't know where he was as he was being transferred to this arctic penal colony. and now of course today, the tragic news of his death and all of this, i think really underscores what the world is dealing with when it comes to vladimir putin. this is no different than the kind of thuggery we saw by josef stalin sent decades ago. that's the kind of man dealing with. and even while there are efforts in the united states to legitimize putin, to make it seem as though moscow is somehow preferable to parts of the united states where even
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though there are no freedoms in moscow, it's very important for the citizens of this country and the world around the world to realize what we're dealing with here in a very clear eyed fashion. vladimir putin does not believe in democracy. he does not believe in any sort of freedoms for his people. and here you have the leader of the opposition who made his name battling corruption in russia dead. after being put in prison on these trumped up charges. and essentially, i think it's important just for people to understand vladimir putin is not a western 21st century leader. he is a 20th century soviet thug christiane, i want to bring you into this conversation because you spoke to alexey navalny in december >> 2020 just before navalny returned to russia. and part of what he told you, he says, i have to go back. i don't think that i can have such a privilege of being safe and russia, but i have to go back
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