moscow, it's very important for the citizens of this country and the world around the world to realize what we're dealing with here in a very clear eyed fashion. vladimir putin does not believe in democracy. he does not believe in any sort of freedoms for his people. and here you have the leader of the opposition who made his name battling corruption in russia dead. after being put in prison on these trumped up charges. and essentially, i think it's important just for people to understand vladimir putin is not a western 21st century leader. he is a 20th century soviet thug christiane, i want to bring you into this conversation because you spoke to alexey navalny in december >> 2020 just before navalny returned to russia. and part of what he told you, he says, i have to go back. i don't think that i can have such a privilege of being safe and russia, but i have to go back because i don't want this group

of killers to exist in russia. i don't want putin ruling russia. did you get a sense of why he was so determined to go back knowing that this was always a potential risk because he wanted to change things. he really did think that being there, being a voice from inside, not stuck outside as an exile could make a difference. i obviously was concerned enough to ask him why he was putting himself and his mission at risk by going going back. but that is you say was the answer he gave at the time that is almost three years ago. and now here we are until it's absolutely confirmed independently. all we have is the russian service, the russian penitentiary service. we've said but he collapsed after going out for a walk. they brought the ambulances, they tried to revive him, but they could not. and the russians are saying that investigations are underway into the cause of death. but

the very important thing of former, in fact, national security surely official told us earlier this morning after this news broke that this is horrible and it's a sign for everybody at the munich security conference right now. it is a sign. and what's happening right now is for the first time in many years the delegates here, whether they are us offic they're european officials, the alliance is increasingly nervous because you're seeing what's happening on the battlefield in ukraine you're seeing the ukraine is suffering without a fresh injection of american military and other economic help. they are running out of what they need to hold russian forces of this is a major issue right now affecting all the nato leaders are here. and also you heard kamala harris, the vice president, say that she is delivering a message to the munich security conference to putin and to the world that the united states continues to remain strong as

the leader of this alliance. however, because of what donald trump has being saying questioning that over the last several weeks and of course it goes back to when he started his quest for the presidency back in 2015, that he is questioning the us commitment to nato to article five as a collective defense. and also that comment he made inviting an encouraging as he put it, putin to attack any nato nation that he delinquent all of this is causing a huge amount of anxiety amongst all the allied leaders and they're very afraid that if this continues like this we'll give succor, it will be of great value and benefit to adversaries like putin and those who are watching from further afield. >> christiane amanpour. thank you as always for the perspective stake close as we continue. some of our breaking news coverage will continue to follow this, obviously throughout the day these developments, we're following in the death of alexey navalny. we are also closely monitoring what is about to happen in just

a few moments from now. that is when the courtroom, wilbur's will reopen in georgia, essentially fulton county, da fani willis set to resume testifying in the misconduct hearing that could of course, impact the election subversion case that donald trump is facing in georgia, as we wait for that jake, you're still with us. you also have a new series this weekend that is launching about political scandals and corruption called united states of scandal. i mean, talking about all things, aligning really at this moment moment as we lead into your special this weekend what prompted you to put all of this together in this one big special well, one of the things that, that was fund for me as a journalist was to go back and >> re-examine these scandals with the perspective of a the history we now have, we have some distance from it when the folks like you, me and omar, when we cover scandals, we cover them is the first draft day to day a, happenings. this is an idea, this is an

opportunity to take a longer view until the entire story. >> and >> also, i think accountability is something that is very important in the united states system of justice as opposed to, for instance, the russian system of justice and taking a look at the accountability or lack thereof with several of these individuals was found to do. we went back and we talked to the actual players involved, whether rod blagojevich, the governor of illinois, or jimmy gravy, the governor of new jersey, or valerie plame or rielle hunter, who was john edwards girlfriend. we go back take a look at these and hopefully people will find them journalistic, interesting probing, but also a lot of pfk-1 and that debuts sunday at nine on cnn only you could find a way to make political scandal find i can't wait to watch, really appreciate the time. be sure to tune in everyone the all new cnn original series united in states of scandal with jake tapper premieres with back-to-back episodes sunday at 09:00 p.m. eastern and pacific only on cnn.

>> and be sure to stay tuned right here. cnn's live special coverage of the hearing over whether fulton county district attorney fani willis, should it be disqualified from that election subversion case against donald trump starts right now cnn breaking news. >> welcome to a special edition. cnn news central. i'm john berman in new york, kate and sara are out huge news this morning on several fronts. global outrage and shock at the death of jailed putin critic alexey navalny and questions about what it means for the world order. yaroslav trofimov of the wall street journal writes, quote, putin clear really feels that the wind is in his sails. as the united states appears on the verge of abandoning ukraine and possibly europe. and he has no backlash to fear anymore. now, we just heard from vice president kamala harris and we are waiting hear from president biden from the white house. also, any minute now, we could

get a ruling in the new york civil fraud trial against donald trump judge, has already found him liable for fraud. the ruling which we are told could come today at anytime, could strip trunk of control of his business empire and cost him hundreds of millions of dollars. and in fulton county, georgia courtroom cameras just turned back on what the prosecutor who brought felony charges against donald trump, ready to take the stand. you're looking at live pictures right there from inside the court. da fani willis is fighting to keep her case and allegations that's a prosecutorial misconduct. now, if yesterday is any indication of what we can expect to see, it will be explosive. seen as laura coates live i've outside the fulton county courthouse this morning, laura, what are we expected >> we are expecting additional testimony today from the da fani willis. now remember yesterday, she appeared in the

courtroom. everyone was shocked to see that she was not only there, but willing, ready, and able to testify and testify by she did if anyone was under an impression that she was somehow a shrinking violet or a wallflower. they are sadly mistaken and recognize this morning what the he's co-defendants might be up against if this trial continues and she is not disqualified. it is a very heavy bar in a very heavy lift to try to disqualify any prosecutor from my case. it all rests on conflict of interest. was the conflict of interest in this case a financial benefit derived from her relationship with wonderful lead prosecutor is that enough to then undermine the opportunity for a defendant in this case more than a dozen to get a fair trial including a former president. well, she made very clear that though who's co-defendants, john, are the ones who were on trial, not her, no matter how hard they tried. listen to this moment to thin, intrusive into people's personal lives. you'll

confuse, you think i'm on trial. these people who are on trial for trying to steal an election in 2020. i'm not on trial no matter how hard you try to put me on trial. >> and she absolutely is not on trial, but she is fighting to remain the prosecutor in this case. disqualification would not just be for her if the judge were to find that before the entire team and then a prosecuting office will be from the outside that would then choose her successor. it could appointment it could be an assignment for someone doesn't want to take the case. it is a lot to deal with. this has been indicted by a grand jury. no small feat over many, many, many, many months if she were to be disqualified and during entire team, that would mean that this case could be delayed and we would have no start date in the near future, if ever, because they're not tied to her fire decisions. but today's testimony will bring her back on the stand and don't forget. there is a witness who is still under subpoena. that is the former friend of fani willis, the former dean hey employee,

the only one to date who has made a connection or his said that their romantic relationship began before either nathan wade sandton or finding willis said it did, which they both say happened after he was already hired. now that witness was not pressed for details on what she knew. she claimed to have seen them missing and hugging her, being affectionate, romantic, there was inadequate followup by the attorneys trying to elicit that testimony from her. they did not ask for specificity that they're not asked for corroboration. they did not provide any that might be a very big moment for this judge who will ultimately decide this case. now, what not to expect today. i would doubt we're going to actually get a ruling from the bench today from this judge. he will let you take it under advisement. the continent quencez in a way to this is so extraordinary that he's certainly feels this way. although we asked in the past, ruled from the bench, but in summation, john, when you think about this extraordinary moment moment in history in time, can you imagine any universe

whatsoever, let alone planet earth, where special counsel jack smith would be subjected to this line of questioning. >> i think not know. and i just want to point out it may not even be finished today. they may still have more witnesses that they need to hear from next week with fani willis on the stand this morning in more witnesses being called later. this could easily bleed over until monday and tuesday. laura, please stay with us with me now. michael moore, karen friedman, agnifilo, and elie honig, and is our maada of the best legal analysts on earth here, elie, i want to start with you lorded a great job laying out what happened yesterday. explosive yesterday in the fulton county courthouse da fani willis gets back on the stand. the defense lawyers that i know what's confusing here is this. the defense lawyers in a way doing the prosecuting and the da's office doing the defending of fani willis here. but the defense lawyers for the various people charged with trying to overturn the georgia election. what more do they need to get out of the da? this warning, this has put up or shut up time for them but for donald trump and his co-defendants, who've

challenged fani willis. they made explosive allegations. it seemed there was something to them. i think nathan waves testimony was questionable, but to this point in my view that defendants have not delivered what they've said, they've deliver first of all, there is a open question about when this relationship started. thus far, the status quo was we head into today is both participants in the relationship fani willis and nathan wade say it started after nathan wade was hired. >> there's >> one witness that laura alluded to who gave sort of general fuzzy testimony that she heard that it started earlier. that's not going to be enough. they need more florida carry that burden. then in the financial piece and this is really the crux of the conflict of interest issue >> they have shown only that there was some loose intermingling of finances and that cash was paid, but we don't have specifics as to amounts and they need to really drill down if they don't deliver today. i think this motion is going to fail. care i completely agree. i mean, what they need to really prove is that there's a disqualifying conflict of interest between

fani willis and nathan wade, and that she somehow financially benefited and that was her motivation for hiring him. and instead of talking about legitimate questions about the finance they could have talked about what were the financial controls in the office, who decided to hire him, who approved, and all of the things that could potentially show that there was an improper motive for hiring him, one that could potentially enricher. but instead of having those financial details, it devolved into a salacious really felt really icky personal details about a relationship that in some ways had no bearing. i think on the actual legal standard that has to be proven everything has been said. i really think what happened is the defense attorneys sort of fell into the sex trap. and so we began talking about six instead of money and the conflict here has never been about who they date or who they

see. it's about where the money's go in and if she receiving some benefit, but because of this prosecution, it's going to be important though, that they narrowed down and try to pinpoint when the relationship started the reason is if if there's some proof that the judge believes it that they have lied being mr. wade, ms willis, that they've lied to the court in their filings. that's a different ballgame and that changes a story a little bit as well. and the judge has some discretion about what he chooses to do at that point. and frankly might cause some trouble outside of this case. so honesty in this process itself, not before could be enough possibly always the cover to get him disqualified. again. so everyone here, laura seems to think we might see more focused questioning from the defense attorneys today and everyone's filing into the courtroom right now, what you will see is a whole bunch of defense lawyers for the more than 15 defendants in the georgia election fraud trial. they all have lawyers there, many of them are asking questions fani willis and others, and then you have the da's office serving in a way

as fani willis's team here at laura. my question to you down there it was chaos yesterday. it was explosive does the chaos and explosiveness in and of itself, would that make judge scott mcafee say, you know what this is such a mess. we've just got to take a step back. is that a possibility? >> well, he tried to yesterday and keep in mind that chaos you describe was a roomful of lawyers. there were lawyers, but for one witness on on the stand, who should be very well-versed and what it means to have decorum in the courtroom. but this tells you just how much emotions were running and what does it stake in this issue? and he did try to pull back on a number of things warning, talking to them about trying to ensure that they had their proper and professional decorum here. but remember what's at stake here. these litigants who were trying to disqualify the fire they are trying to take you inside of the bedroom of the da. she wanted to remain inside of the courtroom of fulton county. why? because an order did this

qualify her? it's not about her romantic interludes or lack thereof. it's not about necessarily exclusive visibly, whether they had a relationship. they admit to that. it is about whether that relationship gave a personal financial benefit to da that must be proven. and here's an other element to it, john. it had to act surely undermine the ability of the defendants to have a fair trial. there's a lot of salacious information they want to extract from her. wraps, inquiring minds as they say, want to know. but the judge as the ultimate enquirer wants to know, was there a financial benefit you can prove. and on that front, there was testimony that came in yesterday from nathan wade and finding willis about having multiple sources the of income if i were to ask anyone in the audience today listening, i'm going to jump >> scott mcafee is now let's listen to the judge. >> oh, can we go you all please be seated.

>> all right we are back on the record with 23 s.c. 8947 as with yesterday, if we could have council just briefly introduce themselves, make sure we've got the waivers on the record for today, starting with today >> good morning, your honor. and agree across. cross? >> your honor adult more president trump and i don't stop and wait. >> mr. durham, june joining us via zoom again >> good morning. you're honest. is jacqueline will ion, behalf of mark meadows, he waives his presence today >> we've cromwell she waved. >> my >> screen. >> you should >> use began to cross with john

>> i'm sorry i didn't hear that at all >> richard price and chris >> the waves >> an empty layer for shafer and he is >> all right. and then mr. floyd all right. not seeing mr. floyd present today or anyone on behalf? half of his counsel he received notice that today would resume. >> and >> so i will make a finding that he's decided not to attend today. round two >> all right. anything we need to take up before resuming we have somewhat from the gallery

>> okay. >> and >> mr. floyd has decided what exactly did he this grass it sounds like it's a deliberate choice for mr. morrison not to be this morning and attendant was certainly here yesterday, if he joins later, otherwise call that a momentary. >> okay? three, and i haven't heard anything else from mr. morrison or any other council. is there anything we need to take up before resuming testimony here? let me start with the state i'm sorry. >> thank you, your honor. >> yesterday, this state had asked that you already heard her subpoena being held in case we need to recall, i'll let her attorney last night. i don't intend to recolor. and as far as i know, she'd already been

released from from the other side, so there was no reason all right. ms >> merchant, can we can we excuse me, mr. already >> i talked to her attorney last night and i said we had a different conversation so i think she's still on standby >> so you position has changed since yesterday >> will based on the seat for some patient they may have a bottle evidence, but they didn't give us that too. i don't know what that is. so in rebuttal, if they present something in rebuttal that i need to call her to talk about >> all right. >> we'll address it as it comes up. >> what else anything else, ms cross >> that from the state, your honor. >> okay. ms merchant, just i >> know that we're still in the middle of ms wallace but address some of the things that were said yesterday or rallies, privilege, things like that. you want to do that now, or would you rather be for this problem? probably >> when you say address them, what do you mean >> well, there's a couple of different issues, but we've got

the privilege issues but i also like grand no hi, this to work on because we didn't have to worry about the privilege there's also there were some allegations i had a transcript made proceeding yesterday, some specific allegations that i think i should have not specifically that i had recently misrepresented the things that i had said, what false and that all of that information moved from his dropped bodies be go gross for trooper talking the car right here thomas, your body, any of that information doesn't know where mr. body her body says that he did. so if there's any clearing of the year that needs to happen and if we need to get to that, i think the right time would be once we've actually seen all it comes in. >> so thank you. i just wanted to coordinate.

>> and in terms of the privilege issue, if you're if you're planning to recall mr. bradley and you've actually typed now some specific questions and yes, i think that would be helpful. and might allow things to proceed a little more efficiently through his testimony to the extent you've got those type down, are willing to provide those to counsel for mr. bradley? the state that would encourage you to do that. >> and >> when we before we call them, we can get into that as well. >> okay. great. thank you. >> i'm happy one copy version. >> i know mr. >> body was objecting yesterday mr.. mr. adams is here. okay. >> all right. anything else from any council rule is still a place >> all right >> not seeing anything else. if we could bring back in ms willis? >> actually run at the state, has no further questions for ms willis or anything >> okay. ms merchant next

witness? we are not to the front, but we are. >> okay. >> then do you need counseling at a moment to take lipitor question? >> so i've got mr. evans >> and then do we have mr. bradley somewhere in the whereabouts nearby? >> this is >> that he cylinders well, him and his client? >> yes >> also with mr. bradley. he's actually not >> we need you to notify yourself for the record, sir. i maybe i'm worth at this moment he has currently. the patient it's going to wait here. we'll look you, have a, copy of compression >> you a time estimate of one supposed to be here? the

question, where's the dr. in relation to hear? yes >> very at the very earliest deeply about all right, he's he's currently driving here as we speak. >> is an actual dr. okay >> and i think council all. right >> i wasn't tender ten-party >> sure. it was merchant other than mr. bradley, did you have any other witnesses >> i can tell you do you. think we can take up sure >> i think we can use this time to do that. so when you all to take a moment to look at the questions and then let me know when you're ready to proceed. >> my part of your it has question, i understood yesterday. i don't want a surprising development at the

outset this friday morning, this hearing and fulton county, georgia fani willis, the district attorney who was on the stand, testify yesterday, and it was explosive. we all thought she was going to get back on that stand again, this morning, but the da's office said they have no more questions for her. and the defense attorneys who had been going after her all day yesterday, said they too, were done with her. so what we saw from fani willis yesterday appears to have been it. now, they're talking about who they will call next. one of the issues is some of the witnesses they want to call next, aren't there? i think because everyone was expecting there to be more time spent with fani willis this morning at this point, they're having discussions procedural discussion just discussions about privilege. but let's take a moment to reflect on the decision not to put fani willis back on the stand. elie. >> give me a reason >> why each side would be done. okay. so here's how i see the strategy both ways. the da's office, easy calculation if you can end her testimony and put a

bow on this, you're happy. you don't want to bring her back. all that can happen as bad if she comes back, it's unpredictable. you don't want the da on the stand. if you have an opportunity to end this, you end this. now from the other side, from the defendants point of view, i think they've recognized properly that she's not going to suddenly give it up. she's not going to admit she ordered the code red she's not going to order. she's done any of the things that she that she has been alleged to do, the way the defendants are going to have to prove their case is with other evidence, with documents relating to bank records or phone calls with other witnesses. that's the only way they're really going to undercut or they're not going to get her to just reverse herself on the stand i mean, you're saying how the sausage is made, right? there's a lot of waiting, there's a lot of other witness didn't show up. that's kind of a boy normal court actually is not court on tv, right? and so their calculation though, i think is a big mistake on the part of the defense to not cleanup. yesterday's testimony, the prosecutor was smart. i agree with elie not to cross-examine

her. right. because that's what they could have done is cross-examine fani willis is really a cross-examination of their own witness. but the defense should have focused the questions on the finances today because as elie police said, you can easily order documents that they either are or they aren't a certain way, or they either say or they don't say a certain thing, and they just haven't met their burden of disqualification. so if i were on the defense side, i would want to focus my questioning away from the relationship and more just on how does it work in the office? how do you hire someone who approves? how do you decide how much he gets paid versus other people get paid? what were those conversations like? how did you determine $250 an hour? all of the things that would potentially go to disqualification and they didn't do it. so that to me is curious. >> were they scared off for fani willis? did they think they weren't getting where they wanted to get? do with her yesterday. i don't think so. i think the state so it is less stop the bleeding. and so they didn't they didn't ask any questions today and then that

really shuts off the right to sort of redirect because there's nothing to redirect from that. there's no questions from the defense, from the state in this case. and so i think at that point, i do wish they'd cleaned it up and i think they made probably a tactical mistake being the defense lawyer, he claimed overturning the georgia election. i should have cleaned it up, but they did have that sort of train wreck of an exercise listed to the da yesterday and now we hear that the witness they're waiting on is this lawyer who they tried to put up yesterday and he tried to say, well, i don't want to be disbarred. i've got privilege will clearly if we believe ms merchant and she said it in court with her phone, she's got text messages from this lawyer which will refute the testimony that district attorney so they may have wanted to lock ms whiskey in which they've done yesterday now they're going to get information if the judge allows a privileged to be breached up to put canada testimony. >> yeah it's interesting because this is going to be sort of a moment of truth here. because yesterday, when the defendants tried to get into these texts in this testimony nathan wade, raise the

privileged, the attorney-client privilege. this guy represented him to some extent in his divorce and said, nope, right. shut up. can't talk. he has a right to do that. but if fani willis and nathan wade are going to say we met these charges head-on. we were transparent and open it's hard to reconcile that with invoking the privilege on what couldn't be a really crucial piece of evidence if there are to be clear, if there are texts from nathan wade to this lawyer before nathan wade and fani willis say the relationship started showing that they were already in relationship that's a big if but if that exists, that's a game changer. all right. guys, standby for a second. let's go back to fulton county, georgia. laura coates, outside the courthouse. now, in this morning begins with a surprise law absolutely. >> i mean, what a shock if you thought it was shocking that she actually appeared to testify yesterday, it's all the more shocking that today they're not going to continue because at the end of yesterday's hearing, we were on the impression why? because the judge said is much the

party said is might've she was going to testify today this time tells me a number of things. number one, they feel they have extracted all that they can from her that she's no longer a useful witness to either side. now, when you're talking about her own special counsel team they believed that she should never have likely evan had to be in this position today or yesterday to testify. remember what we're here for? we're not here in divorce court proceedings. we are here to see if she will be disqualified as the head of the prosecution team. and our entire prosecution in team, thereby disqualified and removed by an removed by an outside agency based on a conflict of interests. now they have yet to show that through line we've all been talking about i had nick valencia here with me now, we've been talking about this a great deal. yesterday. you and i were side-by-side when we had that shocking moment that she appeared she was gone differentation. she was also persuasive and she undermine their case and their ability to say that she somehow had that through line. now, that might

be part of why she's not here today. >> but >> who is next could actually be helpful to those who want to disqualifier. >> that's right. and those that have spoken to around her say that she was rightfully in dignity yesterday, she is defined and fani willis, it really wasn't a surprise to see her demeanor on the stand yesterday was of course, a surprise to see her come in as hot as she did. she had to be calmed down and according to those that we've spoken to during that break but it wasn't a surprise necessarily to see her stand her ground. fani willis is a strong, independent woman. she showcased that, yes. today she is a formidable force and she is all about respected talking to those around her. she is not going to be one of these people that thinks that somebody is going to have to fight or defend her own name? she wants to do that and that's what we saw yesterday. she saw we saw her call ashleigh merchant a liar. she has insulted by the very essence of these allegations. she feels that is a ghassan the, an attempt at gossip, an attempted creating a circus and a spectacle and to delay what was on track for an august trial date. and it has

it has already made an effect to this case. and by the way, she said there's much i want to play that sound because she was very indignant about the accusation that she had engaged in sexual interactions with nathan wade and early the time here she is >> you and mr. wade met in october 2019 at a conference? >> that is correct. f not thinking one of your emotions your tried to implicate on slept with him at that conference, which i find to be extremely offensive you started dating shortly thereafter, correct? a lie. that's one of your lives. >> you've >> been intrusive into people's personal lives. you're confused? >> no, no, no, no. >> this is a true judge and a lot >> mr. sadow. thank you. we're going to take five minutes. >> i mean, nic, think about that. moment bearing because at the core, remember what needs to be proven. it needs to prove there was a financial benefit derived from an improper relationship, leading to such a conflict that a defendant could

not get a fair trial. she is indignant about the accusations and going into that particular aspect of it, the inferences that she needs a man to pay for her and she made it clear yesterday that a man is not a plan. it's not somebody who's going and to treat her or sort of be this savior in her life. she doesn't need that. she may have was that was important because of the finances, right? because the idea of whether the personal benefit was derived was tied to financial gain. >> i don't want to pick on this because there was an inference yesterday from defense attorneys means that her having these stacks of cash somehow is sort of nefarious or that should lead to some question marks. >> it might >> be a cultural thing. i know a lot of black and brown people who keep cash on them. there's a mistrust of the systems at large. people feel like this is our hard earned money that we earn with blood, sweat, and tears. it's certainly something that happens here in atlanta and be yarn in our communities. so i don't think that is sort of a gotcha moment for the defense attorneys at all. >> well, we will see what it means. they my great grandmother died at 105 and i

know she had money in her it's elation, john. >> so they are in recess right now in that courtroom. the pictures you're seeing on the screen are from yesterday as of now, there is no judge presiding over this case. he is outside the courtroom. everyone is out tsai, they're trying to figure out what happens next when they will have testimony from the former law partner of nathan wade and how much he will be allowed to say they're arguing about privilege. these live discussions that are going on right now. we're going to have much more from that courtroom in a moment. we are also waiting for a ruling here in new york and the civil fraud trial against donald trump. all this happening as we've learned about the death of russian opposition leader alexey navalny. we heard from vice president kamala harris. we are now waiting to hear from president biden as well >> united states of scandal with jake tapper sunday at nine on cnn high, we've both got a big birthday coming up. so we

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he appeared to be in reasonably good shape. he was making jokes, which is of course very typical of alexey navalny great sense of humor. and so there is a kind of absolute disbelief that this could happen, that this would happen right now, we are still working to get answers as to what exactly happened. all that we have heard from russian media is that he went out for a walk that he collapsed, that ambulances on the scene came to the scene, tried to revive him for some half an hour but nobody yet knows exactly what happened and how it happened. and frankly, it's very unlikely that we will ever get any satisfactory answers. from the kremlin as to what exactly killed alexei navalny that we did just here moments ago from his wife, yulia navalnaya, their love story is an incredible one of the, for many years they had been together since they were in their early '20s very much devoted to each

other. she had not been outspoken in previous years since he had been arrested. again, because of fears for the security of their children and wanting to be something of a mother. but she at the munich security conference stood up on the stage and she said, i debated with myself for a moment. do i go back to my family or do i stand on this stage and address you all? and i asked myself, what would alexei do? what would alexei want me to do? and i knew in that moment that i had to come here and to address you. and she said that it was vitally important that putin be held responsible, that justice be delivered, not just for the crime perpetrated against her own family, but more broadly for the crimes perpetrated against the russian people by the regime of president vladimir putin. so a very shocking moment, lots of questions still to be answered. and also very much hanging in

the balance. what this means in russia, what it means for russian, a putin critic, vladimir kara-murza, who has been poisoned twice, who is also serving time in a russian prison, who's security now, of course, will be a vital topic of conversation at the munich security conference and elsewhere. john and what it may be says about vladimir putin and how he feels currently about the world order, and how much of a backstop there is really against him, >> right now, michael chance to you the likely reaction inside russia, navalny, a hero in the democratic world, people look at him, they see his courage. clarissa was just mentioning what would alexey navalny do? alexey navalny went back to russia by choice after an attempted murder of him. apparently with the poison, which i'll keep shows to go back to russia to face prison there. but how is he seen inside russia? matthew yeah. >> we'll certainly there's no question over how courageous alexey navalny has been, not

just in returning to russia after being poisoned, but in his concerted campaign over many years to expose official corruption i'm. at great personal cost inside, inside russia, and that has been a courage that has been inspiring for many, many russians look one of the reasons that he was such a sort of figure of hatred by the kremlin, why they feared him so much is that he did have this its ability to really touch people and to bring tens of thousands of ordinary russians out onto the streets in support of his campaign against official corruption, because corruption is something that touches everybody's lives inside russia. and from the soundings, i've taken from people i've called and spoken to inside russia the course of the past several hours whatever you they thought of him in terms of the wisdom of of kind of continuing in that campaign

people are genuinely shocked that this should happen to alexey navalny in the custody of the prison authorities, despite everything that's happened to him, i think probably the big question now is, what will the impact of this death be on the streets of russia will be a turnout of mass protests in the way that there have been in the past when alexey navalny has called for them, for instance, in the defense of his corruption campaign, or will it send a chill? what will this death sort of chill even further? the opposition activity in russia, which has already been really frozen out. people are terrified about protesting on the streets of the capital and elsewhere in the country because they get arrested and they get put away. and who knows what can happen to them? behind bars but what we do know is that this death comes just weeks before presidential election in russia. it's not much of a competitive campaign, of course, everyone expects

that amir putin to be appointed for a fifth term in the presidency. but there are opposition calls within the past few hours for people to go and cast their ballots. but to write alexey navalny on the ballot she to spoil their ballots so that may be something that we see happen. we're just gonna have to watch very carefully now what the response of the russian people will be to the death of alexey navalny in a russian prison >> nikki haley, us presidential candidate, just wrote, putin did this. the same putin who donald trump praises and defense the same trump who said, in all fairness to putin, you're saying he killed people. i haven't seen that. now again, we are waiting for confirmation. confirmation, we might never get about how alexey navalny died. but the fact is he crossed putin. he's dead you're getty pragati, grozny cross putin. he's dead. this is a pattern we have seen over and over in russia across the years. clarissa ward, matthew chance, thanks to both

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out loud. it will be posted for us to all read he has already found donald trump liable for fraud. but trump and his two oldest sons and his real estate empire could be hit with millions of dollars in penalties called disgorgement. the new york attorney general also wants trump permanently banned from doing business in this day. cnn's kara scannell, taking a break from staring at a computer screen to wait for this ruling to be posted, to talk to us. how is this going to happen? what we be looking for? >> yeah i mean, this is going to be a big moment for donald trump and the trump organization really hitting him where it hurts, which is his wallet. so we're waiting for judge arthur engoron to issue his ruling in the new york attorney general's case, as you said, where he already found that the financial statements that included the values of trump tower of mar-a-lago were fraudulent. so the issue now it's how much will the judge say that trump benefited from that, and how much will the order him to pay the new york attorney general's office is seeking more than 370 million. so this

could be a significant amount of money, but also mean you'll remember at this trial, donald trump himself testified as did his two adult sons, trump, in his testimony acknowledged having some involvement with these financial statements, although he said he relied on accountants and lawyers as well. so he his actual liability in this will be something that will look for what the judge will say on that. the attorney general's office is seeking to ban trump from doing business in real estate in new york, also seeking a fight i've year ban against the sun, so that could have big implications for the trump organization and how it operates. you also remember the judge previously canceled the business certificates and that is up on appeal. so whatever today's ruling is exactly how this will unfold on a practical matter is still very much up in the air mean the judge has already signaled that but he did not buy a lot of donald trump's defenses and a ruling a couple of months ago. so it's really going to be a matter of just exactly how much money the trumps might have to

pay and what does he say about the liability of trump and his sons? and we'll be looking for that today when it hits. but john, you know, this whatever the dollar amount is here, this comes after donald trump was already told he has to pay 83 million to e. jean carroll after the jury awarded her that amount as part of a defamation suit. so the dollars are really starting to rack up here on donald trump's someone who many people for a long time thought escaped accountability for anything i'm getting expensive. >> kara scannell, >> keep us posted as say the least. a lot of today is about stare and get a computer screen waiting for this ruling to be posted. we do appreciate it. >> back with this legal analyst michael moore, karen friedman, agnifilo, and elie honig, karen, i want to start with you as a member of the new york bar you are watching and waiting for this ruling to come in. what will you be looking for as you read through it? >> so donald trump and his co-defendants, who which are his children and others are charged with multiple charges. only one of them has already

been found to be liable by the judge, and that is in violation of this persistent fraud statute. what i'm looking for is what about the rest of the counts? are they going to find him liable? is judge and gorani going to find him liable for those and or the or the children, for example, are they going to find them liable for those and that's significant, i think because that that has a criminal element to it and it goes to it. it kind of shows what some of the issues of the case are. so i'd like to see who's going to be found liable for the rest of those. of course, the number, the whatever the number is that this judge finds donald trump and his companies illegally he profited from because it's a math equation that this judge is going to have to determine for himself whether or not he agrees with the attorney general's math equation or whether he finds that donald trump profited unjust enrichment is sort of a

terminology that he's going to look for. and i'm disgorge him of those profits, whatever that whatever that number is and then of course there's the other remedies that could be found against him that really could that could impact his ability to do. he could dissolve his businesses. >> yeah. >> michael moore yeah, i agree with all that. >> i >> mean, i think it's really to me the number and what that means. i mean, in a really twisted way, i think the higher the number of the finding, the more it plays into trump's claim that he's been, the system is being weaponized against them and there were no real victims in this this is just again, made me and beat up by the court system so i really do think it's going to it's going to be the number. i don't think you know, to be clear, he's not run into the atm to get his cash out or anything, right? we're just this is the beginning of the step now that we move forward through the rest of the the process appeals process at all on top of that, i want to see how the judge explains in justifies the number because this is an unusual case. when we're talking about fraud

cases in the following respects. typically in a fraud case, the defendant is ripping someone off, is taking money through fraud from investors, from shareholders, from the public. >> what have you here? different fact scenario, donald trump vastly inflated his assets. the allegations go and i think we're amply proven at trial, submitted those inflated numbers $2 billion. sophisticated banks, some of whom testified at this trial. we didn't really care. we were comfortable making him loans. those loans were then repaid, typically with interests. now, that brings us to our word of the day hey disgorgement, what does that mean? usually in a civil case, you're talking about damages. i have to pay back the people i ripped off, disgorgement means you just have to give up, as karen said, wrongly, gotten gains, gains that you wouldn't have been entitled to. and those actually don't go to any particular victims, actually go back to the state of new york. so i want to see how the judge explains how he arrives at what would you sure. to be a monstrous not to be clear. this is part of new york law. the reason there is this, his scores and even though there may have been no victim out there saying, hey, i lost money

here doesn't matter, right? the new york law says if there's consistent in repeated fraud with intent, there is disgorgement. you have to pay that back. i want to turn our focus of i can back to full county, georgia for a second because we just got reporting from our team down there that fani willis is team, this is the da's office. is that the prosecutors and people get mixed up, but who is who here? but this is fani willis aside, decided not to put her back on the stand today. this is our reporting because they feel they already got everything they need he did they feel that they met the bar. it was enough to beat disqualification. they say so why risk putting her back now? that could be spin. i assume they would say that no matter what. but what about that? i wouldn't say from my view so much as they got what they needed, but that she wasn't damaged enough to cause a disqualification. now that doesn't mean it's game over because again, we're flipped. hear that the people who are challenging fani willis are still going to have a chance to put on their case, including the witness, mr. bradley, who were waiting for potentially

his texts. but i think they were right. if i was in the da's shoes, if i was an ada and fani willis's office and the other side said we're done. i'd say good coalbed to your office and don't come back unless we absolutely need you. yeah. i think i think if you have a win and i think by enlarge, again, i'm not saying fani willis is testimony. settle the issue, but i think the damage done to her was minimal and i think that's a win. >> yeah. i think it was really if i were looking at it, i think it's more like they just snatched the apple back to keep the other side from getting a second bite at. that's really what they didn't want to put her up there and, you know, overnight i'm sure the lawyers for the true defendants have been working on their questions, polishing the things, thinking about what they weren't able to get from her walmart, able to pusher in a certain direction to answer a question a certain way. and refining their examination which they expected to be today. so the state was just able to take take the apple way and not give them another way of asking the characters who is more bumped that she's not testifying today, the team, the dac fani willis this is team or the defendant's team who were

oppressing her. >> well, definitely the defendant's team because it was a very smart, strategic decision on the part of the prosecution to not cross-examine folly. fani willis and not open the door because they're made the calculation that the defense didn't meet their burden, they didn't show an impermissible disqualification. so why do their job for them? that's all that could happen by call it by putting her on the stand and allowing them to have a second bite. at the apple, as you say. and what's happening down to fulton county right now, were there discussions behind closed doors about who may testify next are trying to get a hold of some of these witnesses. we of course, we'll let you all know the minute we get decisions on that. all of you, please standby because there was a lot more going on today. why the justice department is now charged virginia fbi, a former fbi informant, and that how that could deal a major blow to the republican impeachment efforts against the president

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and he is being charged with making false statements to the fbi about joe biden thinks that he was telling them that would have been damaging about joe biden if they were true and they were things that we've heard before in the ether, in the political conversation, these accusations that he was sharing with the fbi, that he was saying he was in touch with burisma, the ukrainian energy company where hunter biden had a role and that they wanted to hire him so that hunter biden could influence let's his father, while his father was the vice president, and that he wanted to pay them millions of dollars to joe and hunter biden >> guess what? >> that wasn't >> true because his contacts with the ukrainian energy company, burisma smirnov, wasn't in contact with them until after joe biden leaves the vice presidency at a time where he didn't and have this sort of role. so the indictment from special counsel, david weiss, who is also investigating with a guy who charge hunter biden in two different courts right now, he is writing in the indictment in short, the defendant, alexander

smirnov, transformed his routine and annexed ordinary business contacts with burisma in 2017 and later into bribery. ally against joe biden, the presumptive nominee of one of the two major political parties for president after expressing bias against joe biden and his candidacy >> remember >> to the house, republicans have been trying to impeach joe biden over his business contacts, his ties, payments, he received the oversight committee chair said this doesn't fully depend on this guy. we're looking at bank records to, but they just haven't been able to get evidenced together. and this evidence that this guy was giving to the fbi certainly does not exist? no. it again oversight chair james comer says, oh, we weren't depending on just this, but they were using this, this it was something that they kept on referring to. >> that's right. and they were talking about this man, smirnov, be incredible. he had a long history with the fbi speaking to them as an informant dating back ten years. so it wasn't a thing

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cooling trend every single month and unfortunately, for folks this month, it's a little bit hotter than expected the increases in prices actually did not come around goods, they came around services for business. so we're talking about hospital outpatient services and some traveler lodging we saw in the consumer price index that people were spending money at hotels but then you have businesses spending more money on their side. >> the concerns are >> if you have higher prices for producers or businesses, does that get passed down to the consumer in your consumer prices rise? >> also, what >> does that mean for markets for wall street, we saw quite a scene on tuesday after the cpi number came out, markets eventually rebounded. but this morning on this news producer prices, we're seeing markets down a little bit. so we'll see what the day looks like. the day is very young and then ultimately, what does it mean for the federal reserve? we know that they want to see a lot of good data according to

the federal reserve president in richmond, he said today this morning that the data so far has been messy and not that good. we know the federal reserve wants to see good data basically, it's looking like a rate cut is not going to come until the summer. wall street wanted it to happen. march, may, but of course, the fed is in control here whilst we wanted to happen yesterday. but all the data that's coming in doesn't seem to point to it happening anytime soon. but as you're kapor says, is terrific explanation, even i understood that. thank you very much. for all that. >> a surprise in georgia, the fulton county district attorney, fani willis, did not retake the stand in the middle it's conduct hearing. we all thought she would it was shocking. they said no, they were done with there. so what does it mean about what happens next? we are standing by hi for word from that courtroom >> the first time you connected

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something of a >> lesson from georgia >> this morning >> expect the at the center of donald trump's felony charges. she of course, charge donald trump with trying to overturn the the election in georgia. we thought she would be testifying right now. she is not. we were just told by sources that fulton county prosecutors think that fiery testimony for willis yesterday was enough to beat the bid to disqualify her from the case following misconduct allegations. let's bring in laura coates, who's outside the fulton county courthouse to get a sense of what is going on there. laura >> well, yesterday was so explosive and if anyone had any impression that finding was the da of fulton county who brought this case against 18 co-defendants, including the former president united states for election subversion here in june georgia, if you have the impression that she's going to be a shrinking wallflower, you

were sadly mistaken. it's unclear whether the team who'd sought to disqualify her were prepared for her explosive testimony where she was indignant. she was defined, she was confrontational, and frankly, she was persuasive. they did not create a through line from the press perception that there had been a financial benefit derived from her in her relationship with nathan wade that was resulting in a way that would undermine fatally the opportunity for a defendant to get a fair trial. that is the requirement, john, of what needs to happen to disqualify somebody. the conflict cannot be something that's purely speculative. it has to actually be tangible. and so far it is their burden to prove as much we thought you back in the courtroom here today. that was the expectation of all who were watching, but they feel as though that she has performed enough in a sense, and i'm here right now with robert james, pharmacist or gender, or general, seemingly general for dekalb county, georgia and the former dekalb county district attorney. you know what it is

so fascinating people we are right now because it was already anxiety producing for every lawyer in the world to watch a district attorney take the stand in a case where she was being sought to be disqualified. >> you >> had your own notions about what that would look like. should she have testified >> no in short, no i don't think our team wanted her to testify. i think her team wanted to argue the motion felt like, you know, that that ms carlson, who i know very well, had momentum and perhaps that persuaded the judge said this subpoena will either a going to be quashed or be a her testimony will be very limited. i think this >> class was the woman who is job at west to try to protect funny welsh and maybe it's qualified >> absolutely. she was a stage prosecutor who was protecting da willis. so either a the subpoena was gonna be quashed. it appeared, or be or testimony will be significantly limited. and i don't think she gave them an opportunity to do that.

>> that was a surprising moment is when she came in the courtroom, the judge seemed to be asking those who wanted to have her testify. well, is there a reason you need to have her is there a conflict or a question you have he was leaning towards not having her called in my opinion, and then she appeared and when she appeared she was very defiant. she was very, very willing and wanting to talk about the personal friends that she experienced. you have been in this similar situation before? it must be very difficult to have the cameras on you to have your reputation besmirch, to have your credibility questioned, and still have your spine straight. >> we'll just the three p's you're a person prosecutor and politician, right? and so the prosecutor the lawyer. listen to the people that are advising you when you should very clinically apply the law, which would be like don't say anything. let your people do their job, but the person in the politician who has to run for office in the person who was personally offended feels

the need to respond they felt like they have to respond. it seeps through your armor, right? you've got this, this facade of strong. i'm tough, i'm superman superwoman. but ultimately you hear what people are saying about you. and you are human being and you react like a human being. >> i wonder if it was equal parts that personal affront. and also professional strategy, because she has a trial that she's hoping to have conducted. an a jury pool that she wants to ensure knows that the prosecutors who are behind the case should be credited, but they have integrity that they're not slipping three when it comes to things that matter. but the jury pool was on my mind as i'm sure it was for you yesterday because the more she spoke and nathan wade, there's always the risk that there are those who are going to share her on and others who were going to sit back and shake their head in question well speaking works both ways, right? >> because she's very passionate. she was very defiant even angry at times, it

seemed right and perhaps justifiably so, but angry. yeah. and so the people that already support her, you know, they've got their hands up and they're saying, you know, go fani, go right but that's not the question because when you by a jury trial, you're picking a jury that is presumably unbiased and they're going to be several of individuals on there that do not support her or that or even in different and so you have to ask the question, how did they perceive yesterday, right and so i'm not concerned about how the judge is going to rule on this in terms of dismissing the case or oh, or dismissing the office, but i am concerned about the effect that is going to have on a potential jury. >> and by the way, that works both ways for the prosecution and the defense because we all saw the defense attorneys for different clients trying to make their case and trying to present. and you saw there expertise he's on display or at times lack thereof, been questioning by the end of day, it was truly stunning to see this moment. i keep going back to this. we're in a moment

where i cannot imagine, say the special counsel, jack smith. yeah, >> answering questions in this way on a stand while the underlying facts never raised it. look, it's >> it seems a bit ridiculous, right? if if if if this were precedent and every time prosecutors in fulton county courthouse try to murder case take, for instance, if the defense lawyers filed a motion to disqualify because he or she found out that the prosecutors were having our relationship. >> right. i mean, this seems like the biggest smoke screen in the history of american jurisprudence. and so i understand why she's upset. i understand why she said you're trying to put me on trial and i'm not the one on trial, but ultimately, you know this good wear on potential jurors >> it certainly could. and john, where here and rubble james. thank you so much. i mean, the word avoidable comes to mind when you think about all of this and all that has been conceptualized. there certainly were some missteps. will it lead, however, the

disqualification a very different answer. >> no. and that's what we're waiting to find out as we wait to find out who will testify next. and when that might happen, we're in this strange pause right now when we're really waiting for any sign that this will pick up again and laura will come back to you the minute we get a sense that it does in the meantime, more breaking news this morning, shock, outrage after one of vladimir putin's sharpest critics, russian opposition leader alexey navalny was reported dead in a russian prison, reportedly dying after taking a walk, a fatal walk us officials are still waiting to confirm the russian state media claim. navalny's wife had this to say just a short time ago in front of dozens of heads of state if it is the truth, i would like putin >> and his staff, everybody around him, his government, his

friends. i want them know that they will be punished for what they have done without country, with my family and with my husband. they will be brought to justice and this day will come soon. >> what strength to stand there in munich with us. now cnn's chief international correspondent, clarissa ward and matthew chance, chief global affairs correspondent clarissa. you could see the anger and also the resolve from rolexes and alexey navalny's wife. there it was a very emotional moment and she actually started out john by saying, you know, i thought for a moment, do i go home to my >> family right now or do i stand here and address you and then i asked myself, what would alexei do? what would alex say want me to do? and i have no doubt that he would want me to stand here to address you and

to issue that withering rebuke to russian president vladimir putin. of course, at this stage, we don't know exactly what killed alexei navalny. we have only been told through russian media that he took a walk at the penal colony where he was suffering terrible treatment, where he had at times been in less than good health and yet when we saw him yesterday via teleconference from a courtroom, he appeared healthy. he appeared jovial. we've also heard a report from his mother who told novaya gazeta, the russian the publication that she wouldn't be accepting condolences because she couldn't believe it because she had seen alexei navalny on february 14, that he had appeared to be in good health and good humor. and so there are real questions about exactly what happened to him. but you heard also at the munich security conference, the vice president and kamala harris saying whatever

happened, russia is responsible. he was in the custody of the russian state. and so the question really now becomes, what does this mean for russia's opposition, which has already been so brutally stomped out. does this mean could we see potentially centrally more protests are resurgence of the protest movements that alexei navalny had previously galvanized in russia, or is this, it is this the end is this message that there is absolutely no opposition of any shape or form to be tolerated inside putin. as russia, john yeah, into that point, you heard from alexey navalny's wife saying that vladimir putin, russia will be punished. i suppose matthew chance, the question is, will they, will russians blame someone for this? >> i mean, look, we don't know the answers that yet, but but but look, i can tell you that

many russians that i've spoken to and or express their views in the media are expressing their shock that this has happened, that alexey navalny, who is undoubtedly the most high-profile opposition figure in the country, has died whilst in the custody of the russian prison authorities. now, whether that will have an impact in the way that alexey navalny has had an impact in the past. he has been able to bring out tens of thousands of people onto the streets in towns and cities across the country. when he's called for them in the past, but we're in in different environment now and there's been this chill descend over the russian opposition. and this is yet another very potent message to opponents of the kremlin about the terrible consequences that can befall you if you stand up to vladimir putin and his, and his regime. >> because >> remember, no matter how shocking this death of alexey

navalny is, it's not altogether surprising. i mean, alexey navalny was himself poisoned and narrowly escaped death. a couple of years ago, he chose to come back to to place himself at the center of russian politics, having narrowly escaped death himself. and then of course, there's a long list of opponents of putin, opponents of the kremlin and its critics who have met tragic ends. i mean, just last year although perhaps i wouldn't describe it as a tragedy of geny prigozhin who was a supporter of putin, turned somebody who staged a military uprising against putin's authority. while he was killed in a plane crash under suspicious circumstances before that, in the list goes on, but in 25th if dean i went to the funeral and covered the assassination assassination of boris nemtsov, who was the sort of alexey navalny of his time, if you like, he was the most

vocal critic, the most prominent opposition figure against the kremlin. he was gunned down outside the walls of the kremlin and the list goes on. and so again in this is shocking, but it does fit into a pattern of critics of the kremlin who meet sticky ends, uracil, and recruiting a lot of people end up dead. a lot of people have fallen out of windows, literally or pushed, who knows, defenestration is an interesting word in russia. clarissa ward, can you speak to the years of courage that alexey navalny showed. it's something that you saw firsthand well, the decision john, to go back to russia when i interviewed him shortly after he was >> recuperating from being poisoned with novichok. and i said, why would you go back? you know, the risks, you know, that they tried to kill you, but he was very sanguine about the risks. he was very determined to see and fulfill

his mission, which he believed was to serve the russian people. he understood implicitly that he could not do that in exile. he knew the risks and yet he decided to go ahead and do what he felt was necessary and important to do. and i think that any criticism that one could possibly level at alexei navalny certainly cowardice is not one of them. this is a man who is one of the most ics or was one of the most extraordinarily courageous individuals? certainly that i have ever interviewed john. >> he walked into the fire. clarissa toward matthew chance. thank you both so much for being with us. i know we'll get to talk to you again very soon. any moment now, donald >> trump could find out how much he will have to pay for defrauding his lenders. the new york attorney general's pushing for $370 million penalty judge will issue his ruling at any moment >> vegas, the story of simcity

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much this could cost him. the new york attorney general's office is seeking more than $370 million and as you said, a ban on trump from doing business in the state, they question will be also whether his sons are also found liable. and if they are also banned from doing business for five years, that's what the new york attorney general's office is seeking. this was the result of a three months civil fraud trial. were donald trump and his sons all took the stand and testified in this case they were trying to do distance themselves from the financial statements that the judge has already ruled to be fraudulent, that the issue at this trial and what will be looking for today is the consequence of that. that is the dollar amount here. and what else the judge may say. he previously had also canceled the business certificates of the trump organization, which has left a lot in question about what that actually means and how that would play out. that issue is up on appeal and trump's lawyers have already indicated they are going to appeal this decision because they expect to

lose. and one of the reasons why is in december after the trial ended, the judge issued a ruling rejecting trump's argument to find in favor of them at the time. and in that ruling, he had discussed his his findings on some of the evidence that had already come into this trial. trump's lawyers have said that these valuations for properties like the triplex apartment at trump tower and mar-a-lago were subjective, and the judge rejected that, saying a lie is still alive. so we'll be looking to see exactly how the judge frames this decision and what it will end up costing donald trump, john >> all right. kara scannell standing by for us. thank you. keep us posted back with us now, legal analyst, michael moore, karen friedman, agnifilo, and elie honig cured it such a great job of laying out what this ruling could say and she added what else the judge may say than just the dollars and cents here. i think the judge is >> going to have some choice words for donald trump, given his prior rulings. i mean, the judge's initial ruling before the trial where he ruled against trump and for the ag is

extensive, any really lashes out at donald trump. i mean, he says donald, this is a fantasy world, paraphrasing what he says in that ruling. >> the judge is going going to have to justify and explain his ruling. this isn't going to be like when a jury comes out and they just say we find for the defendant, we find for the plaintiff. here's the dollar amount. this will be a probably 100 plus page ruling. will the judge will go through each property, each set of representations explain why he has concluded that they were or were not fraudulent, and how we assign $1 value to each one. he knows that this ruling will be appealed. everyone has right to appeal. and i think he's very conscientious of that. the last thing in the world this judge wants, any judge wants is to be reversed on appeal. michael moore, for mere mortals, the difference between $200,300 million. so you know, if it's just a lot of money but is there a difference here in this ruling if he awards $200 million in disgorgement versus 300, what does that tell you? you know, i think there's a little bit of a pr issue there too. i mean, it just sounds a little different. it means that the judge didn't find that he

needed to disgorge trump of all those monies and maybe he gives him a little slack, say, in some of the monies are some of the valuations weren't as far off as we had originally thought, and that's his sort of tip of the hat to split the baby, if you will, in a case like this, sometimes judges will do that. it also because the case will be appealed, it also makes it look a little more reasonable. there's a little when the appellate court looks at that is not something that's going to jump out and say, this is off the chart what do we, what do we do to clean it up? it makes it look like some thought goes into it. and when you have competing verdicts or decision that sort of splits things down the middle a little bit. again, i think that's the appeals court will take a different view of it than just something that looks complete italy, one side, karen, explain to us the control over the business empire trump and his kids, because this sort of the sleeper issue here, what will you be looking for there? >> it'll be interesting to see, for example, if the judge puts in a permanent monitor because currently they are under a

monitor ship and it that they can't do anything without asking permission of barbara jones, who's a former federal judge who's the monitor there so it'll be interesting if he puts controls in that really will cut his business abilities down at the knees where they have to get permission to do certain things. also, if he cancels this business certificates, right? if you're if you're an llc, if you form an llc, that's really an application to the state of new york to form a corporation. is he going to be allowed, are those businesses are going to be allowed to exist or is he going to have to sell off? properties, dissolve them, and dissolve the llc, things like that, i think will be very interesting to watch. i'm also looking to see, don't forget in the middle of this trial, judge and gone made donald trump testify because there was a gag order issue, and he made him come out and sit on the witness stand and swear to find whether

or not he meant what he was saying he meant outside. and he found him to be not credible. that's an astonishing finding for on the part of a judge to find the defendant, the former president of the united states, not credible and find him thousands of dollars. so it'll be interesting to see if that goes into his rule cooling and his decision-making to punish him for his lack of credibility to the point, is that something he would write on? he could he absolutely could. >> in what way this is what judges and juries do. they assess credibility, they have seen in this trial and most any trials we're seeing in in georgia competing conflicting testimony and the job of the fact-finders to say i credit this person, i discredit the other person and there's really two parts of that part of it is just the visceral element of it. i saw this person, i believe to my found them to be believable. and then the other part of it is, well, who does the evidence support who does the objective independent evidence support? and i do think karen's right. i mean, not a hard prediction to say the judge is going to say i found donald trump non-credit would've been the theater michael, it will he back reference all the theater that

took place in the courtroom >> i don't i don't expect him to load his order up with all the theater, but i think you'll have some some hints of it. i mean, i think it gives a little bit of context and maybe he does it by talking about credibility of witnesses. maybe he talks about it you know, candor to the court and those kinds of things but again, that to me adds a different layer that an appellate court might look at. this is simply a finding. you know, did he inflate it? did enrich himself as he's been unjustly enriched by doing that. and what amount of money should we take back? it's almost more now, i think a mathematical the thing. and once he's made his finding than it is about, i liked this person. i didn't like the right as i said, do not go far because we could get this ruling very shortly. you've given us something of a decoder ring to understand is when we do read through it, we appreciate that so putin will be punished those wars from the wife of alexei navalny after his shocking death backroom

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is happening right now? >> yeah. we are waiting for the very next witness to testify and we are told that it will likely be teran's bradley now, who is that? he was one of the first people on the stand yesterday before that explosive testimony of da fani was before the engaging testimony of nathan wade, and even before the former friend fani willis and former employee of the da's office talked about a romantic relationship that she said predated when nathan wade and fani willis that it occurred. you remember he was a former law partner of nathan wade and also somebody who represented him during his divorce proceedings. and that was the reason that he had to go off dan because he's unwilling to break the attorney privilege and disclose the context and communications that they had. now, this was appointed contention, if you remember, because everything you tell someone who happens to be a lawyer does not make it privileged information. it's

gotta be communication that is made in furtherance of legal advice. and there is a start. and normally in an end date for a presentation. so if it was outside those parameters, it's not going to be privileged that was the fine tooth comb that was going through the courtroom yesterday, trying to figure out whether in fact would be privileged or not. and so i suspect the delay right now now is about whether him retaking the stan will simply be a repeat of what we saw yesterday when he'd be unwilling to testify. and remember, the attorney client privilege does not belong to both the attorney and the client. it belongs to the client. and that is nathan wade. and when he was asked on this dan john, if he's willing to allow that to go away, he said no he is not going to give up the attorney-client privilege. and here we are, america in a waiting game, still waiting for other witnesses, but more importantly, we are waiting to see if this judge feels that they have made their case, that they can disqualify fani willis based on a conflict of

interests no, >> absolutely. and thank you for putting the big picture in there. that's what this all about. but in the immediacy, we are waiting to find out a if terrence bradley can be found to testify be how much of his testimony might be privileged and see if he's allowed to speak at all. what, if anything, does he know about this relationship and when it began between fani willis and nathan wade, laura coates. thank you for being here. let us know when we get any answers to any of these quite a lot of letters, john, a lot going on here we are waiting, we are waiting in the meantime to hear from president biden this morning on the death of alexey navalny, one of vladimir putin's harshest critics. according to the russian prison service, navalny fell ill while taking a walk then died. vice president kamala harris spoke on this short time ago >> terrible news, which we are working to confirm my prayers are with his family, including his wife, yulia, who is with us

today. and if confirmed, this would be a further sign of putin's brutality whatever story they tell let us be clear. russia is responsible and we will, have more to say on this later. >> that was the vice president from the munich security conference with us. now from that conference cnn chief national security correspondent, alex marquardt, also former cnn moscow bureau chief jill doherty and alex, i just want to start with you. we heard from the vice president there. what else are you hearing for us officials? honest, this one? morning >> well, john did just generally this conference has been shocked and stunned by the news of navalny's death, which i think would have been the case. anyway, globally speaking, but this is a unique conference you have so many world leaders concentrated in one place. so when this news broke and when it was reported by official russian sources, it just rocketed through the crowd and it's really all anyone has

been talking about since that broke. just a few hours ago. now, vice president harris was essentially first out of the gate. she was kicking off this conference. everyone looking to the us at a time of major stories around the world. and for essentially harris to reiterate the u.s.'s were placed on the global stage, but she took that opportunity the very beginning of her speech to make those comments about navalny's death. still calling them reports? not that that skepticism, but certainly the us wants to make their own assessment, which we have not yet heard, but making clear, john as well, that no matter what circumstances of his death, that it is vladimir putin, who is personally responsible we have also heard from secretary of state antony blinken, who i've been traveling with for the past few days. he's been meeting with world leaders throughout the course of the day. and when asked about on navalny's death, he did say that it underscores the weakness and the rods in the heart of the russian

system. here's what he had to say earlier today in munich >> his death in a russian prison. >> and the fixation and fear of one man only underscores the weakness and rot at the heart. the system that putin has built >> russia's responsible for this will be talking to many other countries concerned about alexey navalny, especially if these reports bear out to be true so john several big questions now in terms of a us reaction, can the us impose more >> sanctions, enact more sanctions? can they or their allies a step up the seizures of russian assets. but i think domestically, politically, john, one major question is, will this move the needle at all when it comes to that supplemental bill, of course, being fiercely negotiate in congress $60 billion that

ukraine so desperately needs. will this death of navalny serve as a reminder, particularly to republicans of the brutality of the putin regime and the need to stand up to him. john it's a great question, alex. it really is, and it is just a statement of fact that a lot of people who have stood up to vladimir putin and opposed him have ended up dead. obviously, as we hear from us, leaders are waiting to get more information about what happened here, confirmation about what happened here. but jill doherty, do you think vladimir putin fears the response from around the world in any way? >> john, i jumped think on one level, he cares at all what the west thinks, i mean, already he's, he's made it very clear. he believes that russia is already at war with, with west, with the united states, with europe, with nato, et cetera. but on another level, i think he is very concerned

about the stability of his government right now in terms of not only navalny's death, but remember that the context of all of his in a month march 15, 16, 17, there will be the presidential election in russia. now, there is no question that vladimir putin, who, win that unless something very unexpected happens. but that's exactly the problem i think for putin could something unexpected happen? putin is paranoid. putin believes the west is trying to take him down, destroy his government, and take over russia. so if you put those factors together, at least this is the rand look at it. if you put those factors together, i think his paranoia may make him very wary of any action by the west that he would perceive as an action against him that might try to

topple him or just make it impossible for him to be reelected or interfere in the election, et cetera. so to me, this is a very unstable time in russia and a very dangerous time actually, domestically politically, you feel you've lived there. i mean, is there, will there be any organized swell uprising of opposition to putin following the death of alexey navalny >> well, there already on social media. you can see that there are people who are coming out in various places in some russian cities in georgia and probably in other cities where there are significant groups of russians who have fled recently because of the war but in russia, it is almost impossible to protest. i mean, you will be arrested immediately and people

have been arrested for standing there with a blank sheet of paper or liking something on social media. so i think that if anybody does that they know what will happen that does not mean that they won't do other forms of protest. some of the video obscene is people coming to memorials for the victims of repression over the years in russia, stalin repression, that's a way to do it. but i do think that we are looking at in russia and unfortunately the russians are looking at a lot more repression >> jill doherty, we thank you for being with us. alex marquardt, with so many world leaders in munich. now we know you're pressing for more reaction there. we'll talk to you again very shortly. thank you. >> so a big blow this morning to the republican push to impeach president biden, a former fbi informant now charged with lying about the president and his son, hunter's time hi, is to ukrainian energy company

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the election in georgia they are settling into their seats. laura coates is with us now as we are preparing to see former governor barnes why why would we hear from former governor barnes in this instance? >> well, it's so important that you may ask that question because it might seem very odd to call a former governor of georgia, but he was somebody as nick valencia is here with me now. now, he is somebody who actually was offered the job before nathan wade and turned it down. nic, when you think about this, what are we getting ready to hear from him ms reason? they're asking him questions because they want to know about what was offered and not offered and why nathan wade got the job? >> well, sure. it gets to the core message here that fani willis wasn't first intent tending to hire nathan wade. this wasn't about hiring her boyfriend to try to profit. i think the state is going to put forward this reporting that we know is that it was offered to at least two people, including reuters good barnes before nathan wade was approached for the job roy barnes turn this job down, laura, because of the

political circus surrounding this and because of the safety concerns surrounding this, potentially that's going to to be part of the testimony that we hear in just a matter of minutes that might fasting you think about this moment and of course we are not hearing from fani willis. we're not hearing from nathan wade. we're not yet hearing from the witness who the former friend of finding well as talking about their romantic relationship. and we're not hearing at all from the former law partner of nathan wade, would there was a privilege does she about attorney-client privilege? we are going to continue to hear and what might be said, but we're hearing now of course, the hearing is ongoing and the fact that this is ongoing, the fact that we're still waiting from this judge to make this ruling means potentially that he is still waiting to hear more information, more evidence to come in about the issue of disqualified well, if the cation we're seeing some are now walking in the courtroom, who is a person in the suit that we are now identifying neck while we're looking at some very high-profile local individuals sitting right there is the header at the end of lacp to the far left, the camera, the georgia chapter here, anthony griggs, you also have the famed mayor of

atlanta, surely franklin, and the current mayor here of atlanta, andre dickens. so some very high-profile individuals in the courtroom here today. let's listen in >> let's listen >> roy eugene orange. roy eu ge in e barns be our nes >> take that good morning can you tell the courts a little bit about your background as it relates to your service and in public service i was first elected to the state senate in 1974 from cobb county, and i served 16 years here and then in 1990 i ran for governor, was defeated in two years later, i went back to the house of

representatives. i was elected the house representatives serve six years. don't i was elected governor 1998 and i served in that position to january of 2003 >> and i'm after serving and the position of governor, can you tell the court a little bit about what you transitioned into after your public service. did exactly what i was doing before i was elected, i went back to practicing law in marietta, georgia with my daughter who's now a judge or the state court and my son-in-law and now we have i think six or seven lawyers, charlie bailey back there was one of them at one. today. >> okay. >> and governor barnes, would you consider yourself a trial lawyer? yes. >> we don't write contracts or we don't right. wheels. all we do is try cases. >> and i want to direct your attention back to 2021, where

you've approached by the district attorney of fulton county, fani willis about being a special prosecutor. >> i was i don't do don't recall the exact date, but i know it was sometime in 2021 and she asked me to come down and met with her and nathan wade and there were several other in the meeting she asked me to. they were beginning this investigation and she asked me if i'd be interested in being special prosecutor to which i replied that i had mouths to feed at a law office and that i could not would not do their and also, i just had a ban of well-saved bad because it happens from time to time but i just had fbi to report a fellow

militia trainer to me that said they were concerned but he was making threats against me and because i thought it was because of the flag, but i asked him and he said no because i was too close to the jews, quote on quote. >> and >> i told the a willis i didn't, i live the bodyguards for four years and i didn't like it. >> and i >> we're going to live with bodyguards for the rest of my life. >> ultimately you turned down? >> yes. yeah. until grad i said i'm not interested nothing credible statement >> it's merchant >> governor brian just >> fine. how are you?

>> one do you remember? >> was i don't remember the date. say all go. i could look it up on my calendar. at the office, but i don't have that >> well, i want to ask you about some statements that ms willis made march 28, 2021 she was talking about assembling a team for this case. are you familiar with her work assembling a team for this case >> will i assume that's what she was talking to me about? but besides that, i don't know >> i know you said you had a meeting with some folks and mr. wade was at that meeting, correct. so he was with the district attorney interviewing you about taking this case? >> well, he of course, i have no nathan very well as you do. >> and i exchange pleasantries with him, but the conversation was with ms willis. >> okay. with it, as well as were you aware at the time that her team what consisted of brian walshe? i can megan vargas, sonya allen, shannon

trotsky sow can and john floyd. she had reported that was her team on this case. >> i know john floyd was involved and she probably told me the others, but listen, i barely remember what case i tried last year, much less reward that we're sitting conversation. >> i understand. fair enough but she said she was looking to hire more lawyers and investigators to work on this case. >> she told me it was to me as she said would you be interested in being special prosecutor in this case? and i gave him fly that i've already know i about hiring all the lawyers or whatever. i don't know how all i can testify to is what she told me did she tell you at all why she wanted to hire special counsel and not use someone who was an aba not have an actual employee >> no, she did not. i mean, we did not discuss that. and what

i would assume is because in case is vegas this that you'd have to happen decision help. i know john floor what has been in some cases over the years and cobb county, for example, and others >> would you agree that unemployed have her office, someone who was paid a state salary or a county salary as an ada could handle a case like this. >> i couldn't tell you that unless i knew do the person knew their experience and really had been with him in a courtroom. >> all right >> thank you. >> ma'am say no >> mr. say that while it has been awhile, i hope you're well, i'm doing fine. just getting older with that beek. so that's true, but that applies to all of this up. >> i think you indicated that if you had your calendar, you'd be able to pinpoint a date for a wood. is there a way for you, for example, at break before you actually leave to

contact your folks receiving get a date i, guess i could i put it don't know how far back we are kept. those, but i assume i could. >> would you be willing to give that a shot >> for i mean, i'll do whatever the court instructs. so if i asked court in the court says go ahead and you could do it. that's all right. >> i'll do whatever the court is. >> i here. >> and you should >> i tried to live by those words matt always successful, but i try if i pinpoint a day, for example, i think the record is clear that mr. wade was hired for the position on november 1 of 2021 is that help you know, it does not then let's go to the meeting. it sounds like it was just one meeting. >> yes. >> and could you tell us where that meeting took place if the conference room adjacent to the district attorney's office. >> so it was in was it in this

joining building. >> it was in lewis >> light and district attorney willis was there, obviously, right? >> yeah. and mr. wade was there the best i recall, nap could be mistaken about that i dislike at thing that far away. but that's my recollection. do you have a >> recollection of anyone else being present >> yeah. they were there was some other folks, but i don't remember >> do you remember were you introduced to mr. wade by anything other than you already knew him? was he given a title or anything >> so at least as you're there >> if i heard you correctly, ms willis did all the talking, mr. wade did not. >> i mean, we exchanged pleasantries, but as far as the basis of the conversation, reasonable the same as willis >> and would you be able to give us an estimate how long this meeting lasted for this rough probably now and during

the meeting you made it clear, but it was the thanks for the offer, but no, thank you. >> oh, yes. i did. as i said, i started off as a prosecutor and probe at 10:15 years i did nothing but criminal and then but i've tried to move away from it. and do primarily civil now, mr. galen and i hit done some white-collar cases that over in federal court, i forgot one over there right now. a but it's generally business-relate d, you know, we're have a client that's got a kid or him to get indicted case i have over their mouths. alleged fraud >> fair to say that based on your career and the work that you've done, you've handled high profile cases that's correct >> i've handled in pretty good

case i suit syria one time for be hitting upon them in recovered at i guess that's the best broke up with i was in dc. i've tried debit. >> and what would be considered complex cases. you handled those as well, correct? >> yes. i mean, we we regularly do mass towards client's actions business business torts, breach of contract, and most of those are haqqan black, our complex requiring many experts >> also. we also do malpractice. i was i did malpractice defense for about 25 years, but since i've returned from the governor's office, i try not to represent an insurance company anymore, and i just try it a malpractice case before judge adalyn

november and those are complex cases because of the type of, medical knowledge and that you have to have and also because of the many experts this you and thank you. >> did ms willis and this is the last question. did ms willis? >> how will you why she had sought you, why you had been her choice? >> no i hand but, you know i get consulted fairly often on major cases. >> would you believe based on circumstances in which you were given the offer that it had to do with back to you had handled complex and high profile cases in the past? >> it could have been. i know we're very well the i tried to case against her she worked for the j qc and i represented

judge robert robert crawford, matt crawford. >> and >> and she prosecuted him and i defended she beat me at the trial. i turned it around spring of course so you had some experience though? >> i had >> plenty of experience with and she's she's a very qualified young well, everybody's young to me. but she's a very qualified young. >> after that that one occasion, did you have any other contact with her and reference to the position itself or who she might be? consider, you know, i had some conversations with her or jeff desantis are some of those but not really an end depth about who she should hire anything like that the name nathan wade come up in those conversations with her, right >> nice. and was there i

thought that could be mistaken, but i thought nathan was there for the nathan was on i'm not positive nathan was there when i when i met with right. >> my question it was probably poorly worded. but what i was asking is after the conference and whatever consulting you might hit done? >> yes. >> did ms willis or mr. desantis bring up the name nathan wade as a special prosecutor. >> i don't think so. i don't recall what i mean, nathan is the good order matters. >> you know >> anything can organized i've watched him over the years. so i wouldn't surprise that he was activists >> and mr. desantis, for the record, who is that? jeff desantis. yeah >> do you know who he is? oh, yes. >> could you tell us who he is for the record? >> jeff works in the da's office. i knew cerebri banker. >> yeah. what is what his role in the da's offices i have no

worth see in is that sound familiar as he has done me? and the pay is jeff has generally been elijah and i'm very close to him, but he's generally been on the other side of my campaign. >> all right. so we're talking the best of your recollection conference. we don't have the date. i'm asking if you could possibly get it, but the conference you have, mr. wade could have been there. >> yes. i'm almost sure it was ms willis, obviously. and mr. desantis was there. >> i think mr. and this was too as far as whether there was anyone else there, you don't have to reserve recollection? no. okay. thank you, sam. >> next time, i'll take a picture, so i'll have an exact next time, hopefully you won't have to be here. >> well, hopefully night. >> thank you, sir. >> mr. stockton thank you. >> mr. durham >> no questions, your honor. >> mr. mcdougal? >> no questions from the government. >> mr. rice mr. galen i've been

waiting for this i couldn't? give >> up the chance getting up here. got her good to see again, see ukraine doesn't work in the past together, have i consider you? you'd be one of my best friends and cracker jack lawyer. >> well, i will say to you on the record that i can understand why they came to see you because you're the finest lawyer that i've ever worked i need to put you in the next day. yeah. there you will get that, but that one or two more questions you and i working together when the appropriate when it's appropriate. there's, you know, we've had no qualms about filing motions to disqualify the da. have we know that affect you and i successfully disqualified the da out in cobb county and the brown case didn't we? >> we did. >> so whatever needs to be done. sure. that your client you got that. thank you so much. >> mr. kaltura, are you still with us via zoom

>> i am, your honor. >> all right. any questions? >> no, sir. all right. and ms mr. cromwell, from his lengthen no question. >> all right. any redirect, mr. body >> can this one to speak excuse >> a way that we could ask you for that? >> the question. is, you want the exact date that the meeting occurred >> and >> i'm wondering if we can if it's if it's really material, the exact date rather than just its proximity to the november 1st hiring. is that fair? >> if he >> knows whether it was far earlier in the year versus maybe closer with that obviate the need for the exact date yeah the exact date. take the bathroom. >> okay. let's start there all right. >> let me think. well, it may take care of it for us just more if we hold in place. i'm not sure this well let me try this first ever barnes before you

>> do a deep dive in the email there, do you recall what time of year it was when this meeting occurred? >> break. >> okay >> having, you know you have this is today the cases and the days moved together. i had a fellow a few years ago that said i represented him in 1978. i told him i'm taking work you got to ask you wouldn't do that. it was question of him saying any just page >> no. i would not i will tell you. i believe lawyers should be well paid. mr. said >> all right. so sorry. >> i'll have to look. he didn't come up upright. okay. all right. all right. we'll ask this witness to step down, subject to recall and now i be something the state can present with stipulation as well >> all right. thank. you. sir >> do >> we have an update on mr.

bradley? >> probably >> the last estimation i heard was okay. >> is that still the case then ms cross, did you have another witness available >> having brought everything, mr. john floyd? not special prosecutor? i'm floyd. returning. >> okay >> is he hadn't this way >> all right. i believe they have just called to the stand. john floyd, who was the father of fani willis. so that will be interesting testimony to hear any moment now, we're waiting for him to take the stand. what we just did witness was i think they're very small world of the georgia legal profession.

right there. the former governor of georgia, roy barnes testified that he was offered at one point the job of being special prosecutor in the election fraud case against donald trump and others. and also testified a little bit to the qualifications of nathan way to ultimately did lead up that investigation. michael moore are you are part of this small world there. what did you hear? what was most important? >> well it was good to see governor barnes. he's a he's a great guy and a friend and a great lawyer. but to me the contrast and is very stark between the kind of lawyer that she talked about having as a special counsel and somebody who's never secured a felony case and ends up being lead counsel in this case. and so i think the contrast that she's drawn may come back to divider and i don't think there's anybody the courtroom that thanks. i would have been at equal pairing and she just moving down the line that came after, though, he was called as a way goodness for da fani willis why would they want to make clear that someone was offered this job before nathan wade ultimately got it. >> i think because there really

concerned about the fact that there's they're being accused of this disqualification, this conflict of interests that the only reason nathan wade was hired, so that she could somehow how financially benefit from monies that he was making by prosecuting this case. and if she can show that others were offered the job, they turned her down. you heard you heard the former governor say that wade is a good organizer. i'm not surprised that they brought him on for this case. it's showing kind of why he was hired. it wasn't that he was her boyfriend and she somehow wanted to financially benefit. it was more he's a good boyer and the other really good lawyers apparently turned her down. so elie to that point, like the more they're just suggested that what the defense lawyers tried to do is paint a contrast passed between the former governor and nathan wade was ultimately higher, but governor barnes testified that does things well, yeah. >> there was something for both sides in what we just saw. so it is a key issue in this hearing here, whether nathan

wade was properly qualified to have this job, what fani willis did is she passed over her entire office of experienced prosecutors. people have been practicing singing fulton county in atlanta, taking wait for the judge here >> mr. bradley >> yes. >> that's possible >> yes. merchant. >> all right. i think what they're saying is that is that mr. bradley terrence bradley, who is the witness. they all really want to see. they're still waiting on him, but they still have called john floyd, the father, fani willis to the stand. we will wait for him to come in. finished. we are saying so the theory of the defendants is that fani willis hired nathan wade for this job because he was her what her boyfriend essentially and what the da's office was trying to establish right there is that actually she offered the job to somebody else. first, this former governor. the problem know, the da's office is the first thing out of the governor's mouth is when i went

to this first meeting with fani willis, nathan wade was already there, right? so that doesn't really make the point. they were hoping that they made that somehow nathan wade was not the first choice. he's already in the mix been on the other hand, i think there was in depending how you look at it, a contrast between the credentials of nathan wade has been a lawyer for a long time, but never prosecuted a felony versus this governor who's done all sorts of big cases. so let's listen back the judge, scott mcafee down there role day appointments as well as i'm just trying to get more. >> i mean, we initially been told maybe it was going to be 93 in ten. do any better idea to get a realistic expectation of when we think we have him here

>> is he >> is he, you know, without getting too much into the particular says he already been seen by the doctrine is waiting for results, or is he still waiting to be seen by a dr. i'm just you know, he's been open document and after he gets those results, he was supposed to have another meeting with him today as well. the potential of that meeting could occur later >> okay if you can get any kind of an update on how much time they think that those results are going to take if it's more than an hour or two, i think we >> would want to start bring him here. and you can have that follow-up consultation later. all right. thank you, sir

>> six months. >> at this point, i think we've got something else that can occupy your time and i think we need to move forward with udacity >> of course. >> yeah. >> absolutely. >> i didn't learn about right. okay. understood. ms gross >> mr. john floyd >> mr. floyd, if you can have a i said, sir witness quickly thank you >> i do please say this is john floyd rafah there, fani willis testifying. let's listen to cured >> say, good morning, sir. >> good morning. >> can you tell the court are you currently retired?

>> yes, i am. >> and prior to being retired, i can you tell the court a little bit about how did you work in the legal crime? were you attorney, i practice gall i've probably tried thousand cases, about 50% of my practice was criminal law, 25% of it was family. law. an arrest was whatever walked through the front door could pay for it okay. >> and >> one second i'm back to my calendar shows october 20, 61 is point. >> all right. and would defense council accept that as a stipulation or is there any follow-up questioning needed on that, mr. barnes is still considered under oath on this point. all right. now, to look for a show of hands or if someone to speak now on zoom and hearing none. thank you, sir. you're excused >> and sir. can, you tell the court are you from atlanta >> know why i grew up in south central los angeles. i spent

most of my legal career i would say in washington dc was kind of the circle, but i've tried cases all over the country and i tried the longest i was first, go here to try international criminal court loot. they international criminal tribunal for rwanda. i was in trial there for four-and-a-half years and russia, tanzania, and hagen, the netherlands. >> okay. when you are there, sounds like >> you're kind of center of gravity was washington, dc? >> correct. but i've tried cases and west virginia virginia, maryland for, me california? >> yes. >> and do you, sir, can you tell the court? i do have any children >> i have one daughter, fani willis and i want to direct your attention back to 2019. okay >> yes. >> back in 2019, can you tell the

>> court did you move here to atlanta? >> i was living in johannesburg, south south africa and unfortunately, for some reasons, i could not get an extended visa. what i retired from the practice of law in 2018, i moved to south africa and i had to leave south africa. and i did then come to it ok. and do you, sir, remember about the time period in 2019 when you >> moved in with your daughter here in atlanta, it would have been the spring or summer of 2019 >> and i'm after you moved here did you get a driver's license to kind of confirm your residency outland? >> well, my driver's license

for the district of columbia was going to expire on my birthday, which is an october. and yes, i did get a license here in the state of georgia, >> got him address the witness take a look at what's been okay. >> your honor, would you if you don't mind? my i took very bad, which is why the reasons i retired. and so i need a magnifying glass, so i'll be putting thank you. yes i see was issued on 928 2019. okay. >> so. before we get there, do you do you recognize faces if it to >> yeah. just my >> driver's guys neck and it stays is ever to a fair and

accurate copy of your physical driver's license? >> absolutely >> this time round of the state will tender what's been marked as state's exhibit two and evidence seeing other objections has submitted to is admitted for the record. >> now for the record, your honor, the state is going to supplement stage two with a redacted copy of the license. the current coffee not redacted with the address and those of that. >> and do we need to mark that differently in any way? >> i will mark it as stages of to a perfect now you talk to when your driver's license was issued. can you tell the court when was that driver's license here? you're georgia driver's license issue. >> it will on on 928, 2019. okay. so september 28, 2019. now, when you moved into district attorney willis is home who live there. >> well, might daughter grip there. i gave there. and from time-to-time, my grandchildren, my grandchildren would would come. >> okay.

>> and did you grandchildren were they at school coming and going? >> exactly? oh, i think they were in school and various jurisdiction. >> and during the time, how long did you live at or with ms willis and i'm at her home here in fulton county she was forced to move after she was elected about i mean, i don't know if you want me to go to the whole thing, but that your honor your honor, willing doj me after she was sworn in, she was sworn in on january 1, of 2021. and on or about the february probably 5 05:30 a.m. in the morning there were people outside her house cursing and. yelling and calling her. the b word and the inward and just i mean, it was bizarre. okay. i mean, it just

mr. body there said objection. do you >> he would say it's effect on listening present while our this occurring. but i can know that's he's saying he was personally present to hear these things? yes. okay. overrule. >> okay. and fortunately, the neighbors called the police and disband it disbanded the group and it was just i mean, it was just i hadn't seen anything exactly like it before. >> and after that happened i can you tell the court in ms willis to have to move from her home? yes. she was forced to leave >> and can you tell the court after she was forced to leave fairly after she was sworn in? did you remain at her home and fulton county? >> yes, i stayed there really until 2022, i guess.

>> and from what you described did you fear for her safety >> absolutely. i mean, not only did i do that, i mean, the south fulton police, they had they brought somebody a man with a dog because they've been so many death threats and they said they were going to blow up the house. they were going to kill her. they were going to kill me. they were going to kill my grandchildren. i mean, on and on and on it just it became and i was concerned for her safety. >> and after those concerns came to europe, your attention and after what you heard and saw that day you remained at the house? >> yes. >> can you tell the court with what you just described, why did you remain living at the district attorney's home here in fulton county >> mr. buck? >> i believe it's relevant based on a lot of the questions that were asked yesterday,

willis has to about the security threat and the fact that implied that those threats were not necessarily real in the sense that mr. floyd remained in the home. there were many questions it's about the fact that he remained and her children could still come and go to the house. i think it's relevant base to the testimony that was elicited from defense council's yesterday well these south fulton police first, they put a car in front of the house that >> was there permanently police car. there was thing one thing to they brought a person with a dog sometimes more than once a day, twice a day, and they would circle the house to look for four bombs >> i knew >> that that was a house that my daughter had worked for. it was a brand new how she's the only one who would ever live there to four-bedroom, brand new house and i want it to

somebody needed to protect the house and i stayed there two basically take care of the house, to take care of the yard, to take care that also somebody sprayed again the b word and inward on the house and i don't think my daughter even knew that i cleaned it off and call the police and style fulton police. they have from the records of all the things that happened and all the neighbors, i notified all the neighbors to look out and to watch out. and it was just it was so crazy. i mean, it was just so crazy. we'd have people would show up and parked car. there was a guy park for probably eight hours out in front of the house and we'd call the police and now at the time that you live there with ms willis and i guess even when you >> remain so during the time period of 2009 19 to the end of

2020 are you aware if ms willis was dating someone? >> yeah, she she did. she had he had a boyfriend when i first got there and i did you meet her boyfriend? >> are >> many often. and can did you know him by any specific specific nickname? yeah. dues can you tell the court why you were living there how often would you see him >> sometimes every day, sometimes, you know, every other day, he disc jockey or something. and he had all this paraphernalia that i'd have to move out. it was a thing with keep things at play, music until vote dot now when you moved in in 2019. and then throughout the years and you're 2020, 2021, had you ever met

someone named nathan wade did not meet nathan wade until 2023? a year ago when i reported by the name is so-called, interviewed me. i may not first time i had many. >> he said that was in 2023. >> 2023, gray >> and i know you said you hadn't met him until 2023, but when you were living at ms willis has house and fulton county, did you ever meet mr. wade? in the year 2019? >> absolutely not. about in the year 2020? absolutely not. >> you ever seen mr. wade at ms willis is a fulton county house and the year 2021? >> never. >> and is it your testimony that the only time of the first time that you met mr. wade was in 2023 >> me say something that mr.

wade said that he remembers seeing me and i do remember some banter. i'm a member of kappa alpha psi fraternity and there's this thing that goes on between '30s and mr. wade is a member of alpha phi alpha and so i do remember there was some kind of banter when my daughter was sworn in to be district attorney between me and a couple of guys, and he said he remembers me. i don't remember him prior to that experience that you're talking about, as well as i guess you're official meeting in 2023. had you ever even heard his name? no. never >> i don't think i haven't further questions, your honor. >> this merger and. >> how are you council? >> thank you. >> it's got a couple of questions >> on monday, we heard you were in california. do you have a place in california

>> people. always ask me about where do i have? i guess i live right here, sitting in his seat right now. but yes, the answer is, i have police in los angeles. >> you do. all right. that's it. >> do you share time? split time between los angeles and georgia? >> actually, i'm working on a documentary film and i'm supposed to be being filmed not for this trial, but i'm being filmed right now. it was planned and we had to stop it because they asked me to come here. but the answer is i'm working on a documentary and i'll be in california until i finished documentary. if we don't have another actor strike and we don't have another writer strike >> so do you own property in california? no, i don't. i live with a friend of mine, liver the front of years. okay. >> and when did you first move? >> well, let me let me qualify with the dates. >> did you spend any time in >> 2019 in california

>> no. and the reason i didn't he that when i first came here, the answer is no, i did not. what happened was covid. once covid hit that i mean, i would just paralyzed. i couldn't go any place. i couldn't go anything. i mean, i'm a theater above. i used to go to theater least once a week. but when covid hit, i just couldn't, i couldn't go to the dentist, which i need to do. well, you know, i just it was just thing so i was just stuck. i was just stuck there >> i maybe wrong but i'm covid hit in 2020, so i was asking about 20:19 in 2019, did you spend any kind of california before covid was even here in united states? remember, i lived in south african. i've traveled the world. >> i knew covid >> was coming before. i knew covid was around before they may have announced it in the 20. but in fact, i knew about

it and i knew what was happening in 19. >> okay. so let's let's walk through 2019 then you said you moved here in september so no, i didn't say that >> i moved here >> probably prior to september in september is when i got the driver's license i probably moved in the spring time. >> i'm sorry, you didn't you said spring, summer. i see that in my notes. so spring, summer, 2019 is when you moved here. so up until spring summer of 2019, where did you live? >> i lived in johannesburg. well, i lived in washington dc 2018. i had planned to retire for the rest of my life in south africa. i had worked for nelson mandela and a free mandela and get that and someone i'd gone to golf school. he had located there after mandela was freed from prison and became president. >> i was >> going to live there for the rest of my life. but unfortunately because of

political reasons, i could not stay in south africa and i was forced, in a sense, to come back to the united states so let's just focus in on the period from, let's see, let's, let's just start with october chief thousand and 19. okay. we'll call that the relevant period. >> october 2019 until the end of 2019. were you in georgia every single day of that year? >> absolutely now, let's move to 2020. and every single day before i move on, every single day in 2019, you slept at your daughter's house, correct? that's correct. okay. >> so let's start in 2020. all right. so 2020 the entire year, did you travel anywhere? no. >> you didn't travel it all that year? >> no. no. >> okay. and i didn't go to the movies >> which upset me also. >> so that entire year 2020, you remained here, right? in 2021, did you do any traveling know >> so when did you move back or when did you start this

documentary film in los angeles? >> what i had been doing to occupy my time as i was writing my own memoir as i delved into my family back brown, i discovered something and that's what got me to working on the documentary. so i want you to understand what was going on in my life i pitched my i have a movie script called bad blood. i have a movie script trying to sell so i would try to sell that. i just happened to mention something had happened during the civil rights movement. snake it's called a snake five. the legendary peter fitzsimons was interested. and so with peter fitzsimons and maria smith, we're now doing when the documentary. so i >> don't i don't want to interrupt you, but what i was asking was when you move to los angeles is not what you keep saying moved i haven't moved to

los angeles. i spent more time in california in oakland if you really want to just be because peter is basically san francisco so we're working on the documentary okay. i was in los angeles because i was going to the pan african film festival. and that's why we would, there. and the way hollywood. works is when you make the nation's and film festivals are placed to try to sell ideas and meet people and organize things you. still own >> property in washington, dc, correct? >> no. no. i don't. you don't own >> property at 14, 67 roxanna road northwest? >> that's where i used to him. >> that's where you sullivan own that property? >> yes. okay. >> and you own that property when you moved here in 2019 >> yes. and you >> owned it in 2020, correct? >> well that were you now you talk about very complicated

issue i left the property. there was a dispute between me and i'd gotten a reverse mortgage company and there was a dispute between me and that and i just i walked away from it. >> okay. >> you walked away from it with almost $300,000. >> what is the relevance to that? >> where he lived in registered to vote? that's what they brought in. so that's why as the money you got that's not relevant at all. >> it's the only proof i have that he owned that address, so i can move on now okay. >> when did you sell that property >> i didn't do reverse mortgage company took it. >> oh, okay. >> so in 2019, when you when you got your driver's license here, the next day you registered to vote, correct >> i think it may have been the same day, but maybe it was the next day. i don't remember. >> but you didn't own property here in georgia that day? >> no, i was having with my daughter you said that you met

mr. wade, >> but you remember you met in 2023, right? that was the first time to refer. okay. >> i wasn't really clear. you said something about about meeting him. was it with mr. isacoff or did mr. isacoff tell you i was being interviewed by mr. usa call and he walked in. i met him. that was the first time he he walked into the office where were you being interviewed? at the district attorney's office. >> and mr. wade walked into that interview? >> yes. >> and so you're so ms willis had not told you about mr. wade prior to that >> absolutely not. >> she didn't tell you anything about their relationship before you met him that day? >> no >> but mr. wade remembers meeting you're in 2020 he said that at my daughter's swearing. i do remember that we haven't some banter about fraternities, but other than that, oh, what your daughter

swearing in open right? >> that's all i have. just one moment >> i think i think morning sir >> good morning. how are you council? i'm fine. >> i'm trying to ask you some >> specific questions if we could okay. >> and i'll give specific answers if i can. >> perfect >> the driver's license address. i'm not going to publish that is state's exhibit number two. but is the address on that driver's license? the home that you're referring to as your daughters in south fulton? >> absolutely. >> okay. >> it was unclear to me. maybe no one else. >> it's unclear to me. >> when did you stop living at but i would call your daughter's home in south pole

>> things got so bad >> and threats got so many, even against me, that the house became basically uninhabitable you know, i got tired of sleeping in one room one day and not one that i would say december of 2022 something like that. december of 2022. right. that's that's about right. yeah. >> not only changing her back for another date, you had indicated and i didn't hear it. when was your daughter, ms willis? when was she sworn in as the district attorney on january 1, 2021. okay. >> and did you indicate that there was an incident and i know you've described it. was that incident on february the third, 2021 >> that's my best recollection. okay. >> so my question then is after february 3 of 2021, how much longer did ms willis stay at the house before she moved

somewhere else? >> i'm very short period of time and i cannot be precise, but i would bet all the money i ever made. it wouldn't work in more than a month-and-a-half fifth. >> okay. so we're talking about best of your recollection, end of february into the beginning of march, give or take of 2021 when ms willis would have moved to a different a location? exactly. okay >> and did ms willis returned to the house? that is house that you were in? at any point in time that you can remember from time to time, she and her security might show up for her to pick something up or take something or something but she always would be come with her security. okay. my question was poorly worded. i apologize. >> did she come back permanently to her house? absolutely not. okay. i'm so we're not as far as you're aware that once ms willis left the house, her house self-folding house. so the record's clear, either late february or march of 2021. best

of your recollection, she's not returned to that home to live >> no. no it became uninhabitable i mean, it just i mean that's what i would have to walk around that house looking out of every window i may a habit of having to walk around the whole house. i got lights so that if someone's body would come at night in the back, so that those kinds of reflecting light, i had those put up i do not yes. >> i was interested in is whether >> she had ever returned know the answer is no. ok. now, when ms willis when your daughter left the home time period end of february, beginning of march, give or take, 2021. do you know where she moved? >> to know? and i didn't want to know. i intentionally did not want to know because i was

not if somebody stuck a gun to my head and i couldn't tell him i wouldn't go and tell them anyway are not made up something, but i didn't want to know. okay. so would it be fair to say that if you didn't want to know you never visited her at the place that shimon move to oh, i never did. never never did >> okay. >> do you know how long she stayed at the first place that she went to after she left her house, before she moved to a second place. >> what i know and this is hearsay, counsel is that my daughter has had to move something like four times. >> but do you know any potential know? i don't know any place i was taken one time for christmas day i've only seen my daughter and this is very hard for me to say but during the period my daughter left, i've only seen my my daughter 13 times because i can't and we've never seen each other more than maybe three hours because of the

nightmare threats against her and me. and i understand that from the perspective of being a father myself. i understand what that means. so i'm going to move away from that. i was just trying to get an idea of date wise. >> okay. >> so let me try to get one more day in 2023, when you were being interviewed by one of the gentleman that wrote the book at the da's office and mr. wade came in. can you give us other than 2023 what the date would be? >> i'm sorry, i can't count. how about spring, summer, any idea >> i would guess spring >> or summer, but i can't i don't i'm sorry. >> and you've already indicated at least to your recollection that was the first time that you've met mr. wade? >> absolutely. okay. not not arguing with you about that. i want to go to ms willis's boyfriend that you referenced >> okay. >> you met ms willis is boyfriend as you've characterized it? when you came

here in 2019, correct. >> and you met him on one occasion, several kids know i saw him often oh, you mean there was no secret that she was dating this man? >> not for me. not from you. and he was again, he was a disc jockey up some kind i think he had a government job during the day. i don't know what it was, but apparently, he would do weddings and so forth and so on. he was a disc jockey, play music so he and all his stuff was always in the way and i was always having to try to push it aside and anyway, but ms wilson, your daughter didn't keep him from you, correct? no. no. i mean, there was no doubt doubt he we lived in my daughter and i lived in the same house. he came and went right now >> when did you learn that your daughter had a romantic personal relationship with mr.

wade? >> we're about seven weeks ago when it as a matter of fact, i just found out when other folks out, that is your daughter, as i understand it never told you one time in the year of 2022 that she was dating mr. wade, correct. is correct >> and until recently, you didn't know from anyone including your daughter that she dated mr. wade, correct? that's correct. that is whatever the relationship is between father and daughter. >> she >> kept that a secret from you, correct? >> correct. >> that's all i need to know. >> the stock at >> no >> good morning >> mr. good morning. >> good morning.

>> when your daughter moved or left the house that she owned? did she say anything to you about having a large savings of cash? >> oh, no. she oh, no. >> maybe excuse me. your honor, i'm not trying to be racist but it's a black thing. okay you know, i was trained and most black folks, they hide cash so they keep cash and i was no, i train. you always keep some cash because i've been places and just because of the color of my skin, for example, i took a fellowship at harvard when my daughter was just if mike, your honor, for my when i was just she was just, you know, maybe three years old and i remember going to a restaurant in cambridge, massachusetts and i had a american express credit card

and maybe a visa or whatever and i had a lot of what they call traveler's checks. i don't even know what they still have travelers checks, but travelers checks. and there was signed said with a credit card for whatever reasons the man would not take my american express credit card. so i pulled up my recent car and he wouldn't take my visa card. so then i pulled out my travelers checks. he said, we don't take checks. now this was travelers checks money. i had $110 bill. i never forget this as long as i live and he said the bill for my wife at the time, find his mother funny and myself, what's got $9.95 and i had $110 bill. >> that was >> all that. now always remember that but even before that, i've always kept cash and i've told my daughter, you keep six months worth of cash always. for example, i had

three saves in my house. i put some of my clients stuff there too. things i didn't want other lawyers to be. i mean, because you're always in a firm and i knew that there were special condition, so some of my clients things i would bring home, put them in the safe, but i've always kept saves. and as a matter of fact, i gave my daughter her first cash box and told it always keeps some cage so is that a yes? yeah. >> oh, absolutely. >> that's all i got, judd. >> mr. durham >> no questions. mr. mcdugle. >> thank you. mr. rice? >> the question mr. galen >> it's still morning. good morning, sir. >> good morning. council, how are you? just find it just a few questions. following up >> when >> you were talking about when you learned about mr. wade?

your daughter, correct? >> correct. >> did your daughter tell you in around october of 2022 that she had gone on a caribbean cruise with mr. wade to the bahamas? >> the answer is, i knew that my daughter had gone but i did not know who she went with or what the circumstances were. so i knew that she had gone out of town, but i didn't know with whom i see. >> and did she tell you in november of 2022 that she had gone to aruba? in state at the hyatt regency resort there in aruba for three days when mr. way did she tell you the answer was again, i knew she went on to tie, you know, where she went. i knew she was going out of town. she told me she was going out of town. i think she's might've said she's going out of the country or someone she'd be gone. but other than that, that was all okay. >> and did she tell you in march of 2023 that she was

going to believe for several days with mr. wade >> the same answer that i knew she she would tell me she was going out of town and she may or may not have told me where she was going, but she'd be gone for a couple of days. okay. now, in 2023, you >> or you are in many days, you would be out in california, correct? >> some days i've been california, correct. >> okay. well, did she tell you in may of 2023 that she was traveling to the napa valley with mr. wade. so maybe i'll could see each other when she visited california with mr. wade. >> the answer is no. >> and so the first time that you ever met mr. wade are learned about mr. wade to your recollection, was in 2023? >> that's correct. >> that's all i have, your honor. thank you >> mr. kucheriv >> on zoom. >> just a couple of quick questions. >> good morning, sir. i know it can't see you.

>> i can't see you either. >> take a moment. we could morning council would take a moment now, let's just pause. >> say we can change the screens to show mr. kucherov's on a phone, so it's kinda difficult. >> can you turn your screen on the tried to >> all right. you're watching john floyd, who was the father of fani willis on the witness stand here. among the things he has testified to is that during the time he lived with his daughter prior to the case against donald trump and others being taken up, that he had never met nathan wade. nathan wade had never been in to the home where he lived, and he

also testified to the fact that he taught his daughter to keep large amounts of cash at her home and that's become an issue because both fani willis and nathan wade has said they exchanged cash to basically both pay for the various things that they did together. let's listen to the testimony again. >> no >> can you speak with your daughter about your testimony >> she may have been present when nagoya is where i just i really don't remember if mr. wade is your daughter were dating you wouldn't have known that unless your daughter told you what >> are you i'm maybe i'm not understanding your question. council so maybe you want to restate what what is it that you're asking me? >> yeah, if it wasn't clear, i can re-ask the question. i'll rephrase it. yeah. right yeah. mr. wade, if mr. wade and your daughter were dating, you wouldn't have known that unless your daughter told you? >> i did not know that they would at and when we're talking about the case, i didn't know

that. i don't know what you're asking me. what i told my child from the time she was a child is always have some money always have to money. if you go on a date so that people don't try to stick you and you want to leave whoever always keeping okay. >> mr. floyd, i you answered the question that the attorneys prep you for that, so that's all i wanted to know >> i think he loves to surf that's it, your honor. all right. it's chroma. >> no questions. you're on. >> mr. body, either on it >> floyd. >> now, it wasn't common for your daughter yes, i can biden, you about romantic life at all? >> no i didn't. i haven't confided in her about mine when i had one. okay. >> and you wouldn't have known about her boyfriend that this could be abs objection. >> i think there might have just been a still off mute

okay. let's keep going. now. you wouldn't have known about her boyfriend of the disc jockey, had you not been living with her, correct? >> that's correct >> overruled. >> add nothing further. >> due to answer the question. >> all right. by show of hands, any redirect on those points only ms merchant. >> i just wanted to win. when you were trapped by the lawyers when this prep session was >> i just got off the plane on. what was it tuesday night, i think i was probably drew going at the mouth. i was so tired, i must have been i got it in wednesday. it must mean wednesday >> and did you talk about any of the testimony from yesterday or watching the news reports or anything like that? >> oh, absolutely but you can't cut to tv on without seeing this. the first first thing i listened to conservative radio lot and last night for five hours ago. they talked about was this case. >> so you are aware of what the

testimony your daughter gave yesterday was >> yeah. i mean, how could i mean, unless you don't cooke the radio on, which you don't cut the television on unless you don't read the ajc or any other, the new york times or whatever, which i do every day. of course so is it fair to say nobody instructed you that you were under the rule of sequestration, right? >> then i'm not under subpoena either. >> thank you. >> all right. anything else >> seeing and hearing? none. thank you, mr. lloyd. >> thank you very much. your honor. it's a pleasure to appear in front of ground. i take care all right. >> ms krause, let me check in. was the save plan to call additional witnesses >> not at this time, your honor >> we're trying to accommodate it. if there's a scheduled to be able to detect right now that last okay. so even if mr. bradley testifies to some extent, it's still the potential that is the state has no further witnesses i