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straight face, which wasn't entirely easier for some of them. yeah, installed them by the secretary, read of nato was rather firm you what he said. but behind that everyone is deeply worried. we only sort of early and the election is in november and he might say the one strange thing after the other, that in itself has a destabilizing influence then of course, entire question, if he's elected, what on earth might happen >> you know what i wonder about carlos's the damage already done in the sense that i have drawn nato the nature of the nato is deterrence is, it's a psychological one. you're trying to deter putin principally from daring to cross borders because he is worried about the certainty that nato will respond. and that's certainty is cast into doubt even if at the end of the day donald trump order to respond some of the psychological deterrence is

already lost. >> some over does that is already lost. you're entirely correct >> and that of course, i bet >> the credibility of nato rests on the credibility of the man or woman who sits in open office. and what kind of decisions might come out of the oval office iniquitous, critical situation and when there is beginning to debate what might happen in different situations. that of course, grades as you point out, uncertainty and stability and two, this should be added, of course, the term more that we see in the house of representatives, which is blocking aid to ukraine at the two together. and it is distinctly de-stabilizing. >> is there a scenario in which this jolts to europeans to do more, to tape. there's 18 out of 31 above the 2% threshold of defense spending. could it pressure more of them to do it? could it result in a more unified fired foreign and defense policy? i mean, is any good that could come from this. >> well, i think as you noted, most european countries virtual

all of their more bissett, increasing defense spending quite a lot that has to do with ukraine and all of them that are in more exposed positions and east of europe facing russia, the one way or that they are above 2% or even well above to present and they are on a path to even more. so that limits to what can be done short term what might happen is, of course, and that has to do more with the aid to ukraine that there will be a recognition of the need for the europeans to do even more. most of aid to ukraine has already been. but if the us from the scene, the one way or the other europe will have to do more >> it feels like in order to do more, as you said, europe is already paying more to ukraine, than the united states. but the us has a military industrial complex the kind europe doesn't. is it possible that europe will have to build something like that which some of which it had during the cold

war kind of returned to a european military industrial complex that can that can churn out weapons of all kinds to deal with this new security environment. >> i think that will happen. but the problem with that is, of course it takes time, it takes time to build facilities to recruit a workforce, to get all the raw materials necessary. we see that we the terms to ramp up production of artillery ammunition but, but there's no question there is a significant effort underway to expand the defense industrial base of europe. but it takes years of virtually looking at it from the point of view of sweden, carl, where you prime minister and foreign minister, sweden has taken a big gamble in joining nato, which is that it is adopted a much more confrontational policy toward russia than it has historically. and it is done so i presume on the expectation that it has the united states

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joining me now is richard haass, former state department official and president emeritus of the council on foreign relations richard welcome. let me ask you >> there >> seems to be a feeling among, particularly among commentators, that given the enormity of the original hamas attack, the enormity of israel's response this is going to shake things up and you're going to see some peace deal cease-fire. does, does it seem likely to you in a word? >> no, i wish i shared that optimism, but i think there's understandably from the get-go free, there's been hosted this would end there's lot of people hope that it might lead to a different israeli government more inclined to compromise and make peace. there's people who is hoping that it would lead to the emergence of a palestinian alternative to hamas ultimately, a peace process. i haven't given up hope on any of that, but at the moment there's precious few

indications that that is that is anything close to becoming reality so you once wrote a book in which you've talked about how negotiations and be still is only come when there's a certain kind of ripeness when they're, when things have >> gotten to a point where you can imagine a deal happening on that scale. do you think we are anywhere close? >> in a word? no you mentioned the ripeness idea. you need, you need leadership on the various sides to a dispute that a one willing and to able to make a deal to compromise while on the israeli side, you have a strong government are strong enough government that's able to make a deal, but they're zero disposition. indeed, they define themselves in many ways in opposition to it. instead, they prefer to continue the war as they would say, to root out hamas even though there's very little evidence that's an achievable goal. and indeed there's a chance you could see a widening of the war to lebanon and the palestinian side hamas is clearly unwilling

to compromise to even accept the notion of a jewish state. and the palestinian authority is much too weak, even if it were inclined to deal with israel. so you don't have any of the ingredients. so peacemakers, diplomats can do whatever they want, but they have virtually nothing to work with. and this situation, the answer is not to go home. but what we what we have to try to do is put in, put some ideas out there that over time could lead to a more ripe political context >> around the world that we receive the same message. and at the end of the day, the united states, we live in a far more uncertain world, and that should be understood even by someone who doesn't seem to care too much about the word card bill >> always a pleasure to hear from you. thank you. thank you >> next on gps as israel

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haass, former state department official and president emeritus of the council on foreign relations richard welcome. let me ask you. this seems to be a feeling among, particularly among commentators that given the kind of enormity of the original hamas attack, the enormity of israel's response this is going to shake things up and you're going to see some peace deal cease-fire. does, does it seem likely to you in a word? >> no, i wish i shared that optimism, but i think there's understandably from the get-go for it, there's been hopes that this would end there's lot of people who hope that it might lead to a different israeli government more inclined to compromise and make peace. there's people who is hoping that it would lead to the emergence of a palestinian alternative to hamas ultimately, a peace process. i haven't given up hope on any of that, but at the moment there's precious few indications that that is that

is anything close to becoming reality so you once wrote a book in which you talked about how negotiations and peace deals only come when there's a certain kind of ripeness when they're, when things have >> gotten to a point where you can imagine a deal happening on that scale. do you think we are anywhere close in a word? no you mentioned the right-hand side there you need you need leadership on the various sides to a dispute that a one willing and to able to make a deal to compromise while on the israeli side, you have a strong government are strong enough government that's able to make a deal. but there are zero disposition. indeed, they define themselves in many ways in opposition to it. instead, they prefer to continue the war as they would say, to root out hamas even though there's very little evidence that's an achievable goal. and indeed there's a chance you could see a widening of the war to lebanon and the palestinian side hamas is clearly unwilling

to compromise, to even accept the notion of a jewish state. and the palestinian authority is much too weak, even if it were inclined to deal with israel. so you don't have any of the ingredients. so peacemakers, diplomats can do whatever they want, but they have virtually nothing to work with this situation. the answer is not to go home, but what we, what we have to try to do is put in, put some ideas out there that over time could lead to a more ripe political context. and that's the most we can do right now, i think is begin to change the conversation on the israeli and palestinian side. >> we haven't talked about the north hezbollah. how worried are you that this, this conflict might spread? it certainly seems that has bulla and iran have been careful and signal that they don't want this conflict to spread but could you see it's spreading even nonetheless, just got an

accidental or ms miscalculations >> there's two ways, at least it could spread. one is the way you just suggested. there's been some exchanges in the last few days, so that could be something that could could do it. i also think the israeli government could credibly argue that they're in an untenable situation where upwards of 75,000 israelis who live in the northern reaches of the country aren't safe and event required to vacate. and i don't think that's a tenable situation for the long term now, ideally, given what you said for read, there could be some kind of quote unquote arrangement between israel around possibly his bulla that would allow people to go back some sort of informal de facto truce or cease-fire. i don't think the only alternative is for israel to widen the war militarily play. i certainly hope not, but i'm not going to sit here and rule out that possibility either. bad situations can get worse in many ways. that's the

character of modern middle eastern history. >> when. you look at the situation, what do you seem to be saying is, you know, don't expect some radical change. you might just have more of the same. this is going to continue. what does that do for biden politically? is it tenable for him to continue in the position he is? where he's being very supportive of israel, but the israeli government is pocketing that support and making no concessions to him >> again, we're in somewhat violent agreement. i think it makes the president look weak is his instincts are to be supportive of israel and almost like an avuncular uncle to express disappointment or charo when he feels the prime minister or the israeli government are doing the wrong thing. the problem is what we're over four months into this crisis. and the israeli government essentially rejects american and treaties. israel essentially is doing what it wants to do in gaza may do it at wants to do and the north. so the united states only has a few options, but i would say we could provide certain military

equipment, but play certain conditions on its use. there's no reason, for example, israel should be using large munitions and highly populated areas of gaza we could start tabling our own initiatives in the united nations rather than abstaining or vetoing those of others. i think the president has to become much more forceful in trying to change the conversation. i know israelis are still focused on october 7. that's understandable. but i think it's time for the president to begin a prolonged conversation over the head of this government with the israeli people about october 8 and ninth and tenth and february and march and essentially make the argument that we there needs to be a political dimension there can't be a military solution, which at the end of the day is a political challenge he has to initiate that conversation because he doesn't have a partner. and this is rarely prime minister who is not interested in that conversation. >> richard haass always good to hear from you. thank you. >> thank you >> next on gps. i'll explain

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convince hungarian prime minister viktor orban to stop blocking an eu aid package for ukraine the far-right orban, who has a close relationship with putin, feels the eu treats hungry unfairly. meloni used to be very anti-e.u. as well. but has come to embrace it. and according to the new york times she persuaded or been that it would be better for him to work with the european union than against it. she pointed to her own success in securing billions from the eu and much needed funds for italy back in 2022 when meloni came to power, some actually saw her as an italian version of orban or perhaps an italian donald trump. she was anti-immigration , anti-abortion, anti lgbtq. her coalition partners were close with putin and her own party had its roots in italian fascism joe biden described her victory as something for democracies to be worried

about. but his staunch support for ukraine won him over within a year. biden was hosting her at the white house saying they had become friends and applauded her for standing with ukraine maloney has also pleased the us with a policy toward china, italy had been the only major western nation to join china's signature belt and road initiative. maloney decided to pull out. this was seen as an undeniable sign of europe's pivot away from china meanwhile, her hawkish stance on immigration looks increasingly mainstream as france, the uk and the us have tact right on the issue but she recognizes that tough measures in italy alone are inadequate to fix the problem. so as african migrants continue to russian, meloni has undertaken a flurry of diplomacy. the stanch, the flow just this week, she finalized a deal with albania to hold asylum seekers.

they're while they wait for their cases to be adjudicated. >> she >> helped forge another deal between the eu and tunisia to block migrants from crossing the mediterranean she also launched an italian initiative to invest in african countries aimed at improving conditions and thus discouraging people from leaving their for europe. and the first place in economic policy, maloney's approach reflects the growing consensus of turning away from fiscal restraint and free market reforms she is embraced bigger deficits with higher spending and tax cuts for workers she's tried to go after big business with price controls on airfares and an extra tax on banks maloney has not succeeded in all her priorities for instance, the deal with tunisia collapsed and illegal immigration to italy actually rose last year. and she is out of step with the west on some things like targeting the rights of same-sex couples

>> a constitutional reform she has proposed also best mentioning it's purported aim is to shore up at least notoriously unstable democracy. >> but it goes too >> far in a country when no group tends to win a majority, it would guarantee 55% of seats in parliament to whichever group wins the most votes. this carries a width of a law mussolini used to cement control. the economist called it a power grab. >> still, meloni >> remains pretty popular in italy. in fact, she has the highest approval ratings of any g7 leader left-wing on economics, right-wing on cultural issues, tough part friendly. this seems to be a winning formula with voters emmanuel macron is term limited in france, germany government is driven by divisions and the united kingdom is out of the european union italy's prime minister increasingly looks like the face of europe's future. it is maloney's moment.

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a country where more than a third of the population is illiterate. so khan would seem to be a shoo in, to be the country's next prime minister but he is actually ineligible as he's been locked up since august on a series of charges from corruption to leaking state secrets they're having a fraudulent marriage khan's allies claim that these charges are orchestrated by the country's powerful military, which is essentially run the country for most of its existence. since and has been at odds with constants 2022 what is going on? >> let me >> bring in a lima khan, the sister of the former prime minister who has been regularly visiting her brother in jail she joins me now from islamabad ulema hawn, welcome. let me ask you first, what do you think this this vote, this overwhelming vote for your brother represents what are people voting for when they're

voting for him? >> thank you for eat for having me on the show. and being able to give my brother's message because he is in jail. and there are very few people who can see him. this either the few family members or the lawyers keep in mind that he is in solitary confinement. he is kept in a tiny cell. but what has happened is that people have rejected a system which comes from it's i think as archaic. it's coming from the last century we, this is a new era of social media and young people. and i don't think they would like to continue the system by somebody else decides the fate. what imran khan really taught them he's not a politician, but he was a mentor to a nation and he's built a nation. and it's every was an indication of what he's what he's signifies, what he stood

for, and what it stood for was that you have a right in this country you have a right to justice. you have a right to education. you have a right to health systems. you belong to this country. he's better. he's built a nation. and i think the happiest moment my brother had was 8 february when people came out and understood what he was trying to do. for them, and they came out and a shock to the system. i think it's not just to pakistan. this might become a trend for the rest of the elections coming in. this in the world. for the 2024 that they came out, they had no candidates by the way, no party

>> i wouldn't send it uprising. i think i'm very proud of pakistanis. they have risen very intelligently voted i think one of the most central role that was played by both for the social media. it is how young people have connected with each other this was not an underground movement, it was a

social media. and everybody thought this was like a young children. it was i think they treated it with the disdain that it's just young people, but do not forget out of 20,240 million people, 120 million people under the age of 30 so this was, i would say uprising and rejection of a system from last century internet has made them independent. you might say that they're illiterate. maybe they don't have literacy but they have knowledge. and they have been very smart about it based silent about it. and they came out and cast their vote. and the vote was a weapon that they used and that is why i would say we're very proud of what, what pakistanis have shown to the rest of the world i leave thank you so much. >> thank you. thank you for thank you for having me on your show

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death sometimes both. then i was in dubai a few days after the interview. we did it, carlson put forward a bizarre hodgepodge of assertions. he thought the architecture, food and service, and moscow was better than in any american city. >> really >> moscow outside of a small historic center, is filled with drabs, soviet era concrete buildings and while the food in moscow can be quite good, better than new york or san francisco you need to get out more tucker. many of his jibes was simply untrue he praised moscow saying it is one of several wonderful places to live. because unlike america russia apparently doesn't suffer from quote, rampant inflation unquote but using the russian government's own data from last month, the country's inflation rate is 7.4%, almost two-and-a-half times that of america's that's why interest

rates in russia are 16%. about three times higher than in america in a short video segments, schotte in moscow, carlson shops at a local grocery store and marvels the groceries to feed a russian family for a week costs maybe a quarter as much as similar growth suisse would cost in america this outraged him. but russia's per capita gdp is approximately $15,000 compared to america's, which is approximately $76,000. stuff costs more in rich countries, then in poorer ones carlson should go shopping in mexico where his groceries would also be much cheaper perhaps he'll gain newfound respect for the mexican government carlson also marvels that the grand juror of a subway station, contrasting moscow subways favorably with new york's of force now while it's true that moscow subways

are excellent the stations are so grant because they were built by joseph stalin at huge public expense to showcase the superiority of soviet communism. in contrast, new york subways are a product of capitalism having been built and operated through public, private partnerships of various guidance, which are more budget conscious it's always has been true that centralized autocracies can marshal the entire resources of society to build great vanity projects docker should go next to see the pyramids and the taj mahal they're amazing causes entire riff about russia is really about american he said i grew up in a country that had cities like moscow and abu dhabi, and dubai, and singapore and tokyo new york is one of his favorite cities, he says, but as he sees it, american cities are now broken carlson was born in

1969. so the new york of the 1970s, he saw fondly remembers, was in fact the city of rampant crime, riots, and graffiti, a city so badly mismanaged that it nearly declared bankruptcy in 1970, 70 seven blackout became legendary for the massive looting and crime it triggered more than 800,000 people fled the city that decade. and real estate values plummeted it wasn't just new york, san francisco in that era was seen as a hotbed of hippies, drugs, pornography, and radical experimentation. the movie dirty harry, or train out of control, urban crime, was set in san francisco in the 1970s crime rates in new york today, like in major american cities in general are way down from their levels, even in the 1980s and 1990s. calls and speaks enviously of cities like

tokyo, singapore, abu dhabi, and dubai. i've been to all these cities many times. some of them in the last few months, and they are indeed wonderful in their own distinctive ways. >> but what >> striking about all of them is that they are somewhat tame and subdued. the product of authoritarian governments or conformist culture, or both american cities are different. >> they are the >> product of decentralization and diversity. and democracy jane jacobs, the great writer on urban life, always described the best cities as kind of bottom up systems seemingly anarchic, but actually organic. and in the long run far superior to the abstract drawings of central planners. american cities are expressions of democracy places where people have to negotiate differences and find ways to live together that makes them messier and dirtier and sometimes chaotic but perhaps

that is what has made these cities so vibrant and innovative. and why they had been at the forefront in making america the country that leads the world and economic its technology, culture, and power once upon a time, american conservatives praised america's organic communities, rooted in freedom and choice, built bottom-up, not top-down. but the new populist, right? despises these cities and that disgust is in part a rejection of modern pluralistic american democracy itself. increasingly, they are dazzled by the clean and orderly ways of dictatorships. populist authoritarians, an absolute monarchies after all, say what you will about putin. he makes the subways run on time go to cnn.com slash fareed for link to my washington post column this week attention