and private club with trust in the safety of the public. and i fully understand that, but the investigation has to be able to move forward and our goal is while ensuring that public safety >> and let's get to the victims wolf both were found deceased when authorities arrived on the scene friday morning, the woman identified as 26 six-year-old, sealy rain montgomery of public colorado, the man 24 year-old, sam knob of parker, colorado, a student a beloved student, a musician both now dead in this tragedy will lucy kabanov reporting for us, lucy. thank you very much. the news continues next right here on cnn tonight straight from the source, president biden says, it's shocking that republicans are walking away from the russian threat. is donald trump finally, barely mentioned death alexei navalny. >> in order to turn it into a message >> all about himself senator

joe manchin has a lot to say about that. the outgoing senator is here with me tonight. fresh off his announcement that he won't be running for president. is he now ready to endorse joe biden for a second term? >> glasgow. >> and speaking of capitol hill, george santos, the ousted congressman who tried to dupe everyone, is now suing a late night host saying that he duped i'm kaitlan collins this is the source >> tonight. it is a tangled tail all of two presidents on this presidents day, one, who blames vladimir putin for the deaths of alexey navalny and another, nothing but the sound of crickets really for three days, donald trump did finally mentioned navalny's name and a social media posts today. but only saying that his death reminds him of his own persecution and that america is quote, a failing nation, not russia. america, that's right.

and so it goes trump again, failing to condemn putin, or is a pattern here that is developed over the years. and recently saying that he would let russia do whatever the hell it wants to us, nato, allies, if they don't spend enough on defense and much of the republican party is falling silent on these comments, not confronting trump or russian aggression. as president biden said today, he's never seen anything like it making a big mistake his way the walking, away with russia the way the walking away from nato >> where the walking away from meeting our obligations shocking the president. there is mostly admonishing house republicans who would those comments critical aid to ukraine is on the line and i should note right now, the house is on a two-week recess, but we are seeing russia advance on the battlefield during that time. ukraine has pulled out of a key area where a battle had been raging for

months we know the senate did pass an aid package that would include $60 billion in aid for ukraine. and that came with the help of my first guest tonight and joining me now is west virginia democratic senator joe manchin, senator manchin, it's great to have you here just first on the major international news, how much does it concern you that the leader of the republican party can't, or i guess i should say, won't condemn alexey navalny's death and is instead and comparing it to his own legal issues. >> it's just unbelievable. kaitlan, first of all, it's good to be with you. and i hope everything is well and hope everybody's doing well. but to have a former leader of our country and now leader of the republican party won't even acknowledge this horrific death of 47 year-old healthy man and putting this horrible penal

situation. >> and >> vladimir putin and basically eliminating any competition that he thinks it might be threat to who? his own presidency or his own leadership of russia. just, just unthinkable for us in a democracy that we could ever stoop that low. but when people can't even say my prayers and my heart and thoughts go out. the navalny family to all of those who have been infected by this horrific death and just, just condolences as this, the decent human thing to do. and when you can't do that what what can you do >> you've said before that you believe putin recognizes the strength of us allies better than donald trump actually does? i wonder what you think it says about the strength of the us as an ally. if house speaker mike johnson refuses to bring that that aid bill, the foreign aid bill so that has funding for ukraine for a vote on the house floor >> kaitlan, we're still very

hopeful. we have an awful lot of good people, democrats and republicans over on the house just have to have the courage to do the right thing. they know that basically our nato allies are very concerned. and the reason we are the superpower of the world as we have allies who have the same values that we have. the love of freedom and democracy. and they're willing to fight with us, which makes us, a superpower because of the ability for us to have other people with our values i think for the same things we believe in. >> and >> it's just unbelievable that if he would not let that come to the floor for a vote, i said this before if that's if i have to do things that made no sense at all that i can't explain to all the good west virginians i represent because it might hurt me politically individually, then i shouldn't be representing him. i don't want to be in any form of a representative form of government if i can't do with the facts of led me to believe to go home and explain the right thing to do. and people

were misled right now. they just don't know. they're not getting the facts of how horrible this is. and where we stand and what we have to stand strong. it is imperative that president zelenskyy and the ukrainian people get all the help. and resources they need to defeat, to defeat the aggression of this, russia. and putin's commitment to basically putting mother russia to back at the expense of all freedom loving people and countries around the world. >> if house republicans, if they don't end up voting on it, i said you're you're still hopeful that they don't break it to the floor or if they do and they reject it do you think that that's effectively handing putin and other military victory? >> well what i would i still believe in and there'll be enough people want to do the right thing. >> yes. >> speaker johnson is does not believe he has the ability or if he doesn't have the courage to bring it to the floor because it will take her to take a group of democrats and

republicans working together which is the way i represented former government supposed to work not one side as all the answers, not one side's always wrong. there are good people on both sides. give them a chance to do the right thing and don't be afraid because you didn't keep the purity purity, and what for camp passage just with one side, we don't bring it up at all. we're in such a divisional time in our country yeah, we're going to have to pull everybody together. i hope they have the courage to do it. if not, i think there'll be some congresspeople, both democrats and republicans, that have the courage to do what they need to do to get it on the floor yeah, it could threaten his speakership. we'll see what happens there. but i also want to talk about you because you announced on friday, you're not going to launch a presidential bid just the day before you had been floating this idea, you said hypothetical of having a senator mitt romney or former senator rob portman is a hypothetical running mate what changed? why aren't you launching that bid, right?

>> i guess i'd be heard right. i mean, just get good people involved. i mentioned two names republicans that i worked very close with and have utmost admiration and respect for it because i've always seen them put the country before their own self for their own party it was always do the right thing. it wasn't well, i'm a democrat or you're a democrat or republican? your republican. >> and we just can't do that. >> they >> never approached any problems that we had and that's i'm just mentioned a lot of good people like that. so i came to the conclusion that after i saw what happened, but then days ago or so, when the vote for on the senate for security of the border, secure vote in a border which is what our republican colleagues desire to happen. they, they press that and they said we're not going to vote on any aid until we secure our border i agreed with him. i think president biden has been wrong on the border e it says it says

responsibility. when no matter what his reasoning was, to maybe help people around the world who've been displaced the pandemic. but he's come to the table now. he understands the gravity of what we're dealing with and the danger. and he's willing to accept any help, negotiate a very good bill that secures the border stops, catch him, release, changes. this song definition gives us personnel 20. i think it's about 2,700 new agents that we can process. and they took one thing out of that kaitlan. they took one thing, the number 5,000 is what you heard and all this at all, that's 5,000. 5,000. that's the furthest thing from the truth, james line for the most decent, honorable person and conservative in the entire senate negotiated and he wanted to make sure that we 5,000 is all we can ever adjudicated. >> and this is what dress this is what, what lead your final decision not to run

>> that was a big part of the decision because i came to the final conclusion, i always believed that we could we could legislate to a crisis. we'd come together for a crisis well, guess what? we have a crisis. the border is a crisis and i saw my friends walk away when they were determined to pass a border security and they were on board three days before that. and with donald trump, coming as hard as he came at them, they coward down and walked away. i said, we're not fixing anything in washington. the sensible, reasonable middle of this country makes up 55 to 60% of the population and voting a tremendous voting bloc. but they feel homeless right now. we're going to try to explain and give them a home to taking basically use the strength of their vote. well, you know, they can get involved and that's americans together. >> you also said that that it a president you're looking for someone in your said who has the knowledge, has the function and has the ability to do that just there to bring this country together. is joe biden

that candidate? >> well, that's what that's a joe biden i used to know. i mean, i've had this conversation with him and with his people that he's gone too far to the left, they've pushed him and hold him and whatever. but that's not where america is. that's not where our country is. so i'm hoping the joe biden than we saw in 2020 will be the joe biden we see in 2024, that can be done. >> if that's going to be a long road for everybody >> are you going to endorse president biden? >> i'm not endorsing anybody right now. we're going to see what all happens. we still got plenty of time here. >> i'm >> going to do everything i can to help move them back to the middle and show them where the strength of this country lives, where the voting bloc of the country lies. and extremes are going to be there no matter what. and i respect that. and i will do everything i can to make sure they have the ability the voice, their opinion. >> what does it >> normally does not not not rule the day. >> what is the way that you're

not endorsing president biden? what should people read into that >> no, no, i'm just i'm trying to do everything i can to make sure that we have a pathway forward where the center of this country is going to be represented. and that's the center-left and center-right. that's where the decisions as where people live their lives. that's the type of government they want. they don't want to extremes. and what we're seeing is extremes. donald trump is an extremist. and with that there's people that are going in that direction. i still believe there's enough good republicans and democrats that want the centrist type of approach to governing >> if it is president biden and former president trump on the ticket and november what will you do? >> well, which is that you see what happens is a long time before that happens right? now, there might be other people are getting in, are still independents. you might have still a third party run from no labels and we'll just see what opportunities and what what type of options you have all of

this be looking for that and then make the decision at that time >> the new york times is reporting that senator schumer, obviously the leader of your party in the senate, has been urging you to formally leave the democratic party to run as an independent candidate for your senate seat in west virginia, really would be democrats only hope it would that seat otherwise, it seems like it's given that it's going to there are. are you considering doing that? >> that's not true. he hasn't done that. chuck and i we have we've been friends and we're france can agree to disagree, we can speak frankly to each other. and we're and we sometimes get a little boisterous and loud but we enjoy each other. we were able to go at it and come out with an understanding to respect each other. but that's he's not gone in that direction. know he knows i made my decision and it is what it is senator joe manchin, thank you for joining us tonight. give your wife gayle our best, please. >> i will remember. americans want to be together and we're going to help americans come together

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yulia navalnaya, her voice cracking at times in this video, accused putin of murdering her husband and called on navalny's followers to keep up the fight yeah >> i asked you to share your range, your anger, and hatred with me towards those would daring enough to kill our future. and i address you with alexei's words, which i believe it is not a to do. it's not a shame to do little, but it's a shame not to do anything it's a shame to make yourself intimidated. intimidated >> that powerful message coming as navalny's mother is still fighting to reclaim her son's body. she was denied access to the morgue where they believe that it's being held. and the russian say they still want handed over for two more weeks. >> his >> widow says that so the russians who killed him have enough time for the traces of poison in his body to disappear. and with that as the backdrop, look at this, russian authorities are cracking down on navalny memorials that have popped up across the country.

hundreds of people have been arrested. some of them reportedly beaten simply for laying down flowers. i want to bring in exiled russian journalist mikhail zygar, the author of war and punishment, putin zelenskyy and the path to russia's invasion of ukraine. who exchanged letters when the varney, while he was imprisoned. of course, getting a final message from him. just corresponding a few weeks ago, what did it what was he saying to you? >> oh, that's actually a long letter. he described his his new prison in yamal, the arctic zone, and actually he didn't see it from the outside because he was he lived in one cell and he had a cell for walks so as they say, he died after a short walk, but it was not outside. it was i didn't even have a long should go and watch the next prison cell and it was long long letter about

literature. we discussed. >> it's funny. now it looks funny, but we discussed just a yes key and the bulk of soldier in its and yeah. and the chances that russia had after the collapse of soviet union to become the democratic country and he wrote to me that it's really sad that russia failed to become democracy in the '90s. but we must not lose those chances once the boudin's dictatorship will fall given your correspondents, i mean, did you ever imagine that that would be your last letter with him? >> no. never it's amazing but i never believed that that he will die in prison. it's everyone was discussing that. but in my i had very clear perspective that he was going to be our announcement dla and supposedly our bars washington, he was designed to be the future president in the prussia a lot of people believed that

he, he had to be one now, once we know that that he he's some kind of russia's martin luther king it's really devastating, but it gives us hope that probably he will be the moral example for the next generation must be really hard to grasp so to have this idea that he won't die in prison, that he will one day, even through a difficult process become he will take putins place that he would become president. and now to see this and to learn this news a lot of, a lot of people are i've spent three days talking to people who are crying in russia in germany, in israel, in britain hearing in the united states. so it's really hard for everyone, but today was in a way day of relief because everyone loves you, and everyone hoped that she would find some some

strengths to continue his his his fight. she is the xi's the absolutely ideal politician for russia his beautiful shoes smart? she is the symbol of a few different position for her because she's she was one who didn't really embrace the spotlight. she was always sure no one she'd never wanted to. >> what do you make of the fact that she now has it? >> no, it should always behaved like some kind of michelle obama. she she wanted to be a politician and she and while he was alive, alive, he was always trying to be she was always close to him. she she participated in all the produce rally is everywhere, but she was very, very intelligently quite she she has to do i don't know. she has always been very devoted oh, we know that for her. that's top priority. >> her >> husband's career as a politician, her husband her

husband's values have always been top priority for her. so she i know her for many years and she always looked herself. russia now, shubi she used to belong to the priorities of her husband. now, these priorities are hers. >> so what do you make when you see these people carrying a photo of navalny being arrested and beaten up. everyone who, people who are lying flowers at the memorials what do you see when you see that? and the fear that the police for instilling and even though we were frankly speaking, we were really devastated two years ago when when russia started full scale invasion against ukraine. and a lot of people were really scared by the fact that probably we did know russian people. probably we even, us, even russians who had to, who chose to leave the country were afraid that maybe the majority of the population supported

that. we're, now, we know that majority does not support now we know that people hate this war and, but now we see obvious proof that they are brave enough to go to to publicly to show some some kind of public support to alexey navalny and that's important. we know that that he he has always i wanted to the only politician in russia and the most popular politician. >> yeah. >> thank you for coming in to talk. >> thank you, guys. i know it's difficult. >> i appreciate you. thank you >> and up next on the other international front, israel's preparing for a major new ground assault and rafah, we're going to speak to an american dr. you just spent ten days in gaza. >> what he >> saw it he says wasn't war. >> it was annihilation >> the ladies have been doing a lot of talking recently. she looks great. >> what they don't know is i got inspire as sleep apnea

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an immediate ceasefire. still, even using the term ceasefire is notable from an administration that has stayed very far away and been very careful not to use that word this resolution, the draft of it, at least also warns against israel's planned ground offensive in rafah that's where roughly 1.5 million palestinians have been sheltering. the really nowhere else to go. joining me here tonight on the source and american dr. who just returned from gaza saying that what he saw there was not war. it was nia elation and dr. irfan galaria here and dr. thank you for being here. i just want everyone who's watching to know that you have been to other warzones. you've worked in other war zones, afghanistan, sudan, you are in gaza in 2009. can you just tell us what you saw this time? >> certainly. thank you for having me on your show. i wasn't gaza in 2009 and i've been in dozens of other places where i've operated under poor conditions. so i thought i was

prepared for what i was going to see here when i went to gaza this time. but what i walked into was a vastly different situation. well, he witnessed was an utter collapse of the health care system hospitals have been destroyed. there's not even in a physical space or capacity to care for all the civilian casualties. we don't have enough operating rooms to treat their patients. physicians have been killed. they've been detained. >> and there there's a significant lack of medical supplies as a matter of fact, the infection risk in the operating rooms is 100% because we don't have adequate equipment and supplies, even maintain sterile fields, which is something unthinkable unimaginable. what we have here in america. and what's especially frustrating is that i in my colleague he's had to perform several amputations while i was there simply because we didn't have access to the proper medical equipment and resources that we have here in america. those amputations

could have been avoided. and so that makes it really difficult to take care of the complexity of cases that we're seeing during this war. and to take care of the sheer volume of cases that have been created. >> what about the people? i mean, you're a father of four kids and you said that at one point you stopped counting how many orphans that you had operated on? >> yeah, you know, the toll that this war is taken has been incredible. kaitlan, i'm not naive to war. i understand war is horrendous and there's going to be collateral damage. however, to see over 1 million people displaced is just too much. >> and >> what needs to be done here is there needs to be an immediate ceasefire. the toll that this war is taking is significant on the civilian population. i saw when i was in a rafah over 1 million people struggling to survive, trying

to find shelter, food food and water all while trying to manage and bear a war >> imagine it was difficult for you to leave it was incredibly difficult and i felt incredibly guilty because i was able to leave. i was able to escape. >> but million 2 >> million other people are trapped in that nightmare. you know, i still have difficulty in my transition, both emotionally and physically when i was there, you'd hear these drones 24/7. it was a buzzing noise like a lawnmower or a weed whacker when i came back here in america, i would still hear that. and even today, almost ten days out from my return, i still gear that noise jarring my mind. >> what did you go back >> i would i would and i hope

to the need there is tremendous. and i just feel like as i said, incredibly guilty and there's very little liking do but i want to do what i can to help relieve their suffering. >> dr. it was an incredibly powerful piece that you wrote and just for being there, even for those ten days, thank you for that. and thank you for coming on to tell us what it was like no. >> thank you for giving me this opportunity and thank you for allowing me to be a voice for the voiceless >> absolutely. dr. irfan galaria. thank you very much. >> objects. here on the source reaction to our one-on-one interview that started the hour, senator manchin making news saying that he is not endorsing president biden, at least not yet. even though he himself has said he will not be entering the presidential race, we'll break it down with our experts right after a quick break >> these bills, you're crazy

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>> i'm not endorsing anybody right now. we're going to see what happens. we still got plenty of time here. i'm going to do everything i can to help move them back to the middle and show them where the strength of this country allies let's talk about that comment there with former south carolina state representative bakari sellers and former lieutenant governor of georgia, geoff duncan. bakari, i wonder, you know, i think the white house noticed on friday, would manchin said, i'm not going to run for president. i'm not pursuing this third party bid that he notably did not say anything about president biden's run for reelection. and then tonight saying that he's not endorsing him at this point, what did you make of that >> absolutely nothing. i don't think anybody cares. i think the interview was a master class and how to make yourself seem more self-important? i know most senators believed that they are the most powerful person in the entire country or entire world, excuse me and joe manchin is just trying to reassert that belief that he is more important than he actually

is. look, i understand that there are a lot of individuals who want this president to be more centrist. i would say. but this president has actually pass more bipartisan pieces of legislation than any president in recent history. that's a fact. and then also, you know, i'm not sure the white house over the biden campaign are actually losing sleep over what the senator from west virginia says. and so i don't think i understand the gravity of making yourself feel more important in the united states senate and joe manchin attempted to do that. but most democrats are going to go out and vote for, joe biden, regardless of what joe manchin says well, jeff duncan, i mean, speaking of the other side of the ticket he's may also clear that senator manchin does not want to vote for former visited trump at all. he is been very upfront on his opinion on that. but that is what it looks is looking like the ticket will be come november. i mean, it's something could change. we don't know. >> but we didn't see this

picture tonight that just posted a short time ago of house speaker mike johnson. he's at mar-a-lago, its presidents day spending the day with the former president. i should note republicans have a retreat down in miami, which is why so many of them are there right now. but i wonder what you make of watching that are seeing that picture, but also hearing what senator manchin said about house publicans. and this idea that they very well may not pass any more aid to ukraine >> let me start by saying it's awkwardly refreshing to hear bakari be on his heels a little bit defending a very powerful us senator not endorsed his own party right out of the gate. so awkwardly refreshing, but yeah, look, we've got our own host of problems as replacements why is that awkwardly refreshing? got what you just will get to the other parts. start with that >> well, because we spent so much time including myself talking about how bad donald trump is and how misdirected our party is. but the democrats have their own host of issues too. i mean, to think about if we just voted on joe biden's record instead of having to include donald trump's act and

circus and indictments and sexual harassment and all of that. if we just compare it to apples, apples, this is a policy nightmare, and we should be winning as republicans, but we're not because we have the wrong candidate. i'm one of those republicans that's absolutely embarrassed at who's, who's leading our ticket right now. i don't think we've got to good chance. i think we're really setting ourselves up for herschel walker moment. while we think we've got a good primary candidate, but then we walk into a general election and we get beat by joe biden and we continue to have 40 years a failed policy and what. about >> speaker johnson and his picture with at >> mar-a-lago given trump just sunk the bipartisan immigration bill. now, the major question of what's happening with ukraine aid in the house yeah. >> look, mike johnson, he got to be speaker the house to a whole bunch of weird gyrations in missteps. but he has a chance to be a leader, right when you get nominated speaker the house and get sworn in, you have a chance to truly be a leader and he's got a chance to literally be part of the global conversation of trying to fix what's broken across

this globe. but instead he's he seems to be cow-towing to donald trump and playing, playing second fiddle to what donald trump wants to do for his own selfish reasons, right? i mean, there's absolutely no reason why we should be siding with vladimir putin. none. we should not be letting donald trump play games when we have such serious issues going on in this country? we shouldn't, mike johnson shouldn't either. and those other house republicans shouldn't be playing games either. speaker anytime you want the republican party or they have an opportunity to leave, they fail. this is the same republican party that said that they were going to repeal and replace obamacare the answer is with what this is the same party who can't figure out immigration. and when democrats give them what they want on immigration, and when we have comprehensive bipartisan immigration reform and donald trump end, even if we have to think, even the bureau the border patrol union, even said that watson's of this, we're some of the strongest that they've seen they're pushing forward as well was speaker johnson can't get out the way

the job is too big for speaker johnson. >> yeah. brandon judd said that they liked it, but republicans seem to say they did not. bakari sellers, geoff duncan, thank you both up next for us here tonight on the source, it wasn't big day for democrats and a key swing state. new maps that could actually up in not just the balance of power, wisconsin but also potentially nationwide >> vegas. >> story of sin city sunday at ten on cnn >> only united health medicare advantage plans come with a yukon, one simple member card that opens doors for what matters, >> what do we need to see a dr. waivable? >> we got you with medicare advantage is largest national provider network only from unitedhealthcare. >> do picks and helps you do more with less asthma and can help you breathe better in as little as two weeks to fix it as an add-on treatment for the civic types of moderate to severe asthma that's not for sudden breathing problems. do picks him to can cause allergic

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whether the district attorney fani willis, we'll be disqualified from that election subversion case after we heard from her and that stunning testimony, joining me tonight is kenji yoshino, constitutional law professor at nyu school of law. and it's great to have have you here. let's start with the supreme court's immunity decision. i mean, we are basically waiting any moment to hear from them. when do you think that decision could come? >> it could really come anytime. i mean, all the papers are now in and now it's just a question of whether it will be like a crawl, a sprint, or like a breadth trot, right? so the krol is what trump is off theme for our where the supreme court could say we grant a stay. you can just proceed at your own pace. you have 90 days to file your petition for review, and then there'll be oral arguments and briefing and all of that decision time. so that's like the glaciers form north america faster kind of scenario. then the sprint is what jack smith has it's asking for, which is deny this day, even deny review in this case. so let the circuit court decision stand

because you think that's a good decision or because you want to just dock this controversy. and that would immediately kick it back downstairs to judge chutkan because she would regain jurisdiction over the case and she could just proceed to trial. >> would you be totally shocked if they deny this day? they just say nope, and it moves on. >> i wouldn't be surprised, but, you know, that i would have been a lot more surprised before the dc circuit court's opinion. that opinion was bipartisan as very closely reasoned, was just so bulletproof and airtight that i could just see the supreme court saying we basically agree with this. >> yeah. why are we actually taking this? >> in georgia? >> that remarkable moment when fani willis got on the stand last week, i think everyone was glued to it and watching her testimony, but i think it's an open question of did she make her point and did the trump attorneys in the defendant's attorneys do a good enough job kind of nailing her down on what they say is this conflict of interest? what's your sense of what's going to happen there? >> yeah, it's the same thing right where it's delay, delay, delay on one side of mike full throttle ahead on the other side, you know, i listening to that testimony, don't think

that they nailed her down on the critical point, right. of whether or not she was spending that money and she benefited from that relationship. she's already admitted that there is a personal relationships think that ship has sailed, but the question of whether or not she benefited no way that would call her objectivity into question. i think as what's tricky in that case, which is so major because if she is disqualified, this whole case could unravel potentially and her being disqualified has nothing to do with rudy giuliani, mark meadows, donald trump, and all the other co-defendants sitting in that room? >> yeah. thank you for saying that because this is like already with 15 defendants, it was going to be a very, very protracted prosecution. but as i understand it, she gets disqualified under our 2022 georgia law. this goes to something that's called about prosecuting attorneys council, and they have to decide at their own leisure about her replacement so i mean, there it's like centuries of time like who knows, but then even after that person is in place, they have to get up to speed on what it's taken her months, if not years, to get up to speed

on. so that's a big question mark. the thing i will say about the state law prosecutions though, is that trump cannot pardon himself, right? so i think the big worry that's hanging over all of these is that if trump does get elected, that he will put the kibosh on doj prosecuting him. or alternatively, a pardon himself. that's not possible under our federalism with state law claims, right >> can we we'll be watching closely. they will get the supreme court decision will have you back to chocolate. what that means. thank you for joining us here tonight. also tonight, something we mentioned at the top of >> the hour, the disgraced former congressman george santos, is now suing jimmy kimmel. yes. you heard that, right? >> he's alleging that he deceived him, that kim will deceive santos into creating 14 cameo videos which has become his new gig after he was expelled from capitol hill and you please congratulate my legally blind nice julia, on passing her driving test. okay. well, george santos say it