on. so that's a big question mark. the thing i will say about the state law prosecutions though, is that trump cannot pardon himself, right? so i think the big worry that's hanging over all of these is that if trump does get elected, that he will put the kibosh on doj prosecuting him. or alternatively, a pardon himself. that's not possible under our federalism with state law claims, right >> can we we'll be watching closely. they will get the supreme court decision will have you back to chocolate. what that means. thank you for joining us here tonight. also tonight, something we mentioned at the top of >> the hour, the disgraced former congressman george santos, is now suing jimmy kimmel. yes. you heard that, right? >> he's alleging that he deceived him, that kim will deceive santos into creating 14 cameo videos which has become his new gig after he was expelled from capitol hill and you please congratulate my legally blind nice julia, on passing her driving test. okay. well, george santos say it he

julia >> congratulations on getting your driving test. you prove that even the legally blind can do it. i know that it's a bummer that right? after you got the test and you show that you weren't a quitter. you got into that little accident. >> look that a >> body cast as much even jesus and president trump will make sure that you're back on you're going to be amazing in this lawsuit, santos is alleging that kimball misrepresented himself and violated copyright laws by broadcasting santos is videos on his show the excel congressman is seeking at least 150 thousand dollars in damages, will see where that goes. thank you so much for joining us tonight. cnn news night with abby phillip starts now tonight on 360 new

reporting about alexey >> navalny's death in a russian gulag and donald trump's condolences for himself. also tonight wisconsin former state republican chairman claims he and his fellow fake electors were tricked by the trump campaign. >> did not have been in this place i should not have recorded this video. there should have been another person in my place, but this person was killed by vladimir putin three days ago. vladimir putin killed my husband, alexei navalny. putin killed the father of my children putin took away the most precious thing i had >> you'll novel nio today talking about the 47 year-old man who had day before his sudden death seemed in good spirits, looking thin but energetic and animated in a video court appearance navalny was no stranger to hardship. he

returned to russia, knowing he would likely be arrested, put on trial in prison. this after he had been poisoned even a death, he's inspiring others. some russians have risked arrest and beatings to simply leave flowers it makeshift memorials and leaders around the world are hailing him for his stance on human rights but to some, he's no martyr anymore than his widow and children are worth even perfunctory condolences, let alone normal and we'll expressions of human decency. here's what donald trump posted online today the sudden death of alexei navalny has made me more and more aware of what is happening in our country. it is a slow, steady progression with crooked radical left politicians, prosecutors, and judges leading us down a path to destruction open borders, rigged elections and grossly unfair courtroom decisions are destroying america. we are a nation and decline a failing nation. there's no mention of navalny, his wife, no mention of vladimir putin. he did not compare himself to navalny the way he wants it to the late nelson mandela instead, his

followers did most notably new york republican congressman lee zeldin, who tweeted as the world reflects on the murder of alexei navalny at the hands of putin, is worth remembering. the democrats are actively doing biden's bidding as they also tried to imprison his chief political opponent, donald trump, remove him from the ballot and ensure he dies in prison now, for the record, as mr. zeldin should know, grand jury is made up of ordinary americans, democrats and republicans alike handed up indictments using evidence obtained by lawful subpoenas and search warrants authorized by judges and upheld by other judges, including republican appointees, even including trump appointees any due process alexey navalny got with ceremonial, if not purely incidental. but donald trump's message today did not merely reflect his indifference to the death and possible murder of russia's leading dissident, or even his obsession with himself and his own legal troubles in not criticizing vladimir putin or even mentioning his name. donald trump sent a message to the russian dictator, something

he also did a few weeks ago when he said this if we don't pay and were attacked by russia, would you protect us? i said, you didn't pay. you're delinquent. he said, yes, let's say that happened. >> no, i would >> not protect you. in fact, i would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want i was the former president united states, openly treating nato is some kind of a protection racket, sending a clear message to our allies as well as vladimir >> putin, which should come as no surprise even with ukrainian forces literally running out of shells and bullets and russia over the weekend capturing new territory. he's been telling congressional republicans to block new aid ukraine. republican who's part republicans whose party used to consider russia a threat, even when it wasn't rolling tanks into a neighbor, which is made for some strange gymnastics in this strange new world case in point, house speaker, mike johnson, who put out this statement shortly after navalny's death. and i'm quoting now vladimir putin is a vicious dictator and the world

knows he is likely directly responsible for the sudden death of his most prominent political opponent, alexey navalny. he went on to say, this is the latest attempt to send a message to those working to confront moscow's aggression certainly sounds tough, which might lead you believe that he and his members are among those hard-working confront terms of russian aggression. but in fact, he in the rest of the house or on a two-week recess, and he doesn't want to bring ukraine legislation to the floor because it would weaken his speakership. and no doubt anger donald trump or for that matter, a substantial number of his members is former republican congresswoman liz cheney pointed out on cnn this weekend we have to take seriously the extent to which you've now got a putin being of the republican party. i believe the issue this election cycle is making sure that putin wing of the republican party party does not take over the west wing of the white house >> republican challenger nikki haley expressed similar sentiments on the campaign

trail in south carolina i don't know why he keeps getting weaken the knees when it comes to russia. but i'll tell you what russia is not getting weaken the knees because what we're seeing is now they're starting to put soldiers around the baltic countries. russia said once they take ukraine, poland, and the baltics are next. those are nato countries. and that immediately puts america at war. >> she went on to say that preventing such a war is her number one goal as for the former president though his number one goal this weekend apparently was selling sneakers >> this is something i've been talking about for 12 years, 13 years. >> and >> i think it's going to be a big success he's been talking about her for 12 years. he's talking about these at $399 a pop. he's also selling cheaper sneakers, not cheap are looking, of course that would not be possible. less expensive, i should say the announcement coming just a day after new york judge ordered him to pay hundreds of millions of dollars in penalties for business fraud. a bill he presumably can not lease up his

golden sneakers and run away from allies, countries under attack by dictators and the fallen heroes who stand against them are easier that way, more now and alexey navalny's death and his family search for answers from cnn's melissa bell yeah >> hsu was delete some yards words of defiance by alexei navalny's wife as his mother searches for answers, traveling to the arctic town nearest to his last prison. but leaving with very little the location of her son's body, still unknown navalny's spokesperson confirming on monday that his body will not now be released to the family for at least another 14 days. the cause of his sudden death, according to russian investigators, still not determined what is known as that his final moments came in russia's arctic after taking a walk in, what's known as the polar wolf colony, where he was moved just weeks earlier he said to have collapsed outdoors

less than a day after he was seen on video during a court appearance, looking skinnier but still with a lively glimmer in his eye and less than 48 hours after he wished his wife, yulia a happy valentine's finds day on social media. i love you more and more, becoming his final words to the world yulia, now a widow, says that russian authorities are hiding navalny's body as they wait for quote, traces of another of putin's novice shocks to disappear the very same poison that nearly killed him in 2020. traces of novichok were confirmed by a german lab, while navalny was convalescing in berlin his return to moscow. another example of the courage that has continued to shine through his many letters written from prison as he stood

defiantly against vladimir putin. like the series of exchanges with the soviet dissident, not on sharansky obtained by the free press in which navalny rights. i understand that. i'm not the first, but i really want to become the last or at least one of the last of those who are forced to endure this. in another lecture he writes, one day in russia, there will be what was not, and will not be what it was. his hope in so many of the letters, contagious as in the one he wrote to an american journalist, which was obtained by the russian media outlet, her lord i'm doing well and i don't regret anything. he writes and don't regret it and don't be upset. everything will be fine. and even if it isn't, we will be consoled by the fact that we we're honest people. the inke, his pen, one of his final acts of staining putin's power not you need to be remembered in history books, but even now, being amplified

by his wife to carry his most subversive message. yet that his courage and anger should live on melissa bell joins us now from paris. i mean, we've seen protests, people being detained inside russia since navalny's death june protests continue, or are there fears that this is the beginning of a larger crackdown? >> well, there had been the thinking had been understand that any further tightening over the repression and remember that it's been fairly considerable ever since the invasion of ukraine began, would only happen in a month's time after the election. that is likely to see him get this fifth term that he seeks. that the assembly since of a democratic operation process would be allowed to go on. but of course that hasn't happened and that tightening of the repression further still has happened pretty dramatically over the course. the weekend still though, people head out, try and put flowers down no sooner they laid, then they're taken away by masked men but

people have done their best to try and pay tribute to that courage to try and share some of their grief. and that's also been reflected outside of russia at some, with some of the outrageous it's been expressed anderson here in europe countries from germany to united kingdom, sweden, spain have been summoning the russian ambassador there isn't the wake of this killing, and there are suggestions at that the european union made seek to impose further sanctions on russia this time targeting the internal repression. i think what we've seen both inside russia and outside is an important reminder of exactly what alexey navalny was, what his huge power was anderson, he added ability he to speak to russians about corruption inside and to the west about democracy outside. that it appears is going to go much further. than simply his life. he continues to bear that message and resoundingly. so under >> melissa bell, thank you so much. you saw on melissa's piece some of the letters that alexey navalny exchange in

prison, there were more including with kerry kennedy, the daughter robert f. kennedy. this is navalny in one of those letters to carry kennedy talking about a biography of her dad that he had read. it was a personal revelation for me, navalny road reading this book and understanding the story of rfk and the context of epoch in the tragical events of his life. honestly, i've been crying two or three times while reading. but please don't tell anyone. kerry kennedy joins me now, kirby, thanks for being with us. can you just share a little bit about when you first heard about alexey navalny's death what went through your mind >> well, you know, this is a terrible tragedy. he was the mental of, of russia he would not only a brush, but it will call world in a way because he can't read or the vision of accountability for crimes stopping corruption. and most of all, free expression bolstering civic space.

>> you know what >> rfk human rights, we work on civic space. the ability of people to criticize their government without pure of repression. all world. and he really was the leader of the i read the full letter that he had had sent to you after he read the book about your dad. i know you recommended us arthur slashings your book as well. you sent navalny a poster with an image of your dad with a quote from one of his speech. speeches isn't a drawing also that we're showing navalny wrote back to you in part. i hope one day i'll be able to hang it on the wall of my office what was it likes to know that he was so moved by your father's life and bite by his experience, and to have that exchange with him, to have that contact with him well, like, you know, i think he was known as somebody you who is constantly reading. he he was reading ten books at a time. he was read over 40 books last

year alone, hit this incredibly insatiable appetite for information. curious he asked and determination to share his views and you wanted to everyone to be able to share their views. >> and that >> is, that's going to be really be outstanding legacy of his life, his fight for democracies by appropriate expression and i think we owe it to him to take action, not to just let this moment go, but to take action so we can, as a government, for me, as human rights organization and individuals to create change. >> how how the idea of letting vladimir putin get away with is not holding him accountable. i mean, he has poisoned other people as well. do you think if

the world had stood up to him sooner? we wouldn't be in this position right now. >> absolutely. if the world had hold putin accountable for the poisoning of president viktor yushchenko, of ukraine were navalny the first time or when he killed magnetic it's ski or when he committed atrocities in chechnya in georgia, in syria in crimea navalny would be alive right now. and in fact, he might be alive if we had sent ukraine the funds that it needs it's right now so desperately to stop the russians so that's the main thing. rfk, human rights, it's going to work on in light list is accountability. but i think the united states government in

addition to working on accountability, the crime of aggression in ukraine, and the killing of navalny i think that the us government should hold that group of 400 all at gardens accountable right now. in their families are free to walk all over europe and they are, you can find them skiing and gustav are summing and central pay my god. why are we allowing that to happen? and then i think we really have to be concerned about navalny's lawyers and about the opposition political figures who are thrown in jail simply because they're supporting ukraine and then finally, i think something that all of us can do in any little way. we can is support the navalny foundation and you can find that online.

>> kerry kennedy, i appreciate your your time tonight. thank you. >> thank you. >> there's breaking news on the war in ukraine where russian troops now control, control a long contested town in new shelling is being heard in kherson were seen as nick paton walsh is tonight nick, what's happening on the battlefield as ukrainian officials wait to see whether the us congress is going to approve more aid >> yeah, being no doubt that freeze that slowdown in aid is having a clear impact on the battlefield now is no longer theoretical. morale is already suffered. the fall of avdiivka over the weekend, daily and hearing some the shelling here in the town were in kherson, a reminder of the reality people are going through. abdivka really official saying fell because of a lack of ammunition and the feeling that ukrainians are suffering now acutely on the front lines and the fall of abdivka. maybe the first of a number to come a sight not seen for awhile a russian flag going

up over ukraine but ukraine's withdrawal. he announced on saturday from abdivka means more than the loss of a town bitterly fought over since russia first invaded a decade ago. it is perhaps the first sign a delay in new essayed spells, death and loss here >> you do want to go, but sunday, oh, these images released a bear last defenses, rushing into support under fire from a resurgent russia, who president zelenskyy says sent seven russian troops to die for every dead ukrainian this is what it was like in the basement, defending down to the last treating the injured in the darkness. yet wear their options, their ammo, their chances were ebbing was shelling endless. it's spoiled my drink. this soldier complains menu me a command to clear monday why this happened.

>> well, there's a whole though there's a whole the way we choose the for the level point >> afflicted on ukrainians as they tried to flee in the dark other images and reports emerged monday in ukraine of the fate of their wounded one of whom called home and his last moments, allegations that in horrifying rubble here, both the wounded were left behind by ukraine, but also shot dead in cold blood by russian forces. russian drone images of their spoils released again, displaying their odd pride over the rubble zelenskyy may have to get used to more of this putting on a brave face as he visited troops in the likely next russian target, kupiansk, just outside kharkiv, your husband while there are different political it's called sentiments in the world. he said, different flashes of problems that distract

attention. we still together do our utmost to have the world with us now, with ukraine words no longer enough, not an avdiivka. and certainly not in the west where 60 billion in missing aid now means putin can slowly edge further and further west >> i mean, it's incredible to see the lack of ammunition and what that means for the troops on the ground where we saw the shelling happening just behind you. i mean, i remember you in kherson last year when it was being fought over the beginning of the invasion, i guess it was what's going on where you are now? >> yeah. to be honest, in the dark night here, we aren't entirely clear what the shelling we've been hearing pretty much constantly ever last two or three hours actually means we know that there are ukrainian forces on the other side of the river behind me under the russians have for months now in trying to make this town liberated from their grasp, bopper, it fell in the early days of the invasion two years ago. now,

make life here pretty much on livable drones fly overhead and so people live in the night in darkness to try and be sure they don't become a target. and this, the daily life, frankly of ukrainians is worsening across the front line. we talked about abdivka in that piece, anderson, you've got to remember that's just one place that has already fallen. kupiansk, lenski visited today. that's potentially next in the crosshairs, robatina down in zaporizhzhia, a tiny that a jockey games in the summer counter offensive that looks vulnerable areas around bakhmut remember that from may last year, the russians took that after a similarly bloody campaign for that, which they inflict on that defka areas around bakhmut look vulnerable as do other a couple of points along the eastern front lines. so a very nervous ukraine, the lack of western aid, his hit morale. it's hit ammo supplies and now it seems to be allowing a resurgent russia to get its foot forward on the front line here. but the noises you may be hearing around me here, just emblematic of what ukrainians are living with daily. this is

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election. there was orchestrated by pro trump attorneys with trump's support. state criminal charges, as you may know, have been filed against fake electors in georgia, michigan, and nevada wisconsin's fake electors haven't been charged and several weeks ago, one of them, andrew hit an attorney and former chairman of the state republican party agreed to talk to me for peace. i did for 60 minutes to explain how he says he and wisconsin's other gop electors were tripped by the trump campaign here's the piece that aired on 60 minutes last night >> you were head >> of the republican party in wisconsin. were you a big trump supporter? >> i worked tirelessly for him. i day and night. >> let's put it together for the president of the united states one more time. >> oftentimes phone calls would start by 06:00 in the morning and one day end until 1030 at night. i did everything i possibly could >> the wisconsin republican party chairman andrew hit endrew hit was often singled out by president trump at

rallies and wisconsin andrew, andrew hit you're doing andrew going to win this. they've got to win it >> but trump didn't win and wisconsin, he lost to joe biden by some 20,700 votes. >> the >> trump campaign appealed challenging more than 200,000 absentee ballots on technical grounds in two democratic counties that count lawful votes trump won wisconsin by a good margin. >> that was false. what he said was false, but trump >> campaign, one of the votes in dane county and milwaukee county tossed did you support that? i do. >> it wasn't something that i was comfortable with dane county and milwaukee county, wisconsin are the most liberal counties. the majority of the black population taurids constant live in those two counties, correct? correct. personally, you do not believe all those absentee ballots should be thrown out? >> well, i voted that way. you know, i voted that way. >> you didn't think you're on vote should be thrown out. no >> on november 30, wisconsin's democratic governor, tony

evers, certified joe biden's victory authorizing the state's democratic electors to gather at the state capitol on december 14 to cast their electoral votes for biden but days earlier, andrew hitt says he received a call from the republican national committee. what was the reach-out to you? >> can we get a list of the wisconsin republican electors that made use suspicious? >> it did. i was already concerned that they were going to try to say that the democratic electors were not proper and wisconsin, because a fraud, you didn't believe there was anyone know when i was very involved obviously in the election with the party it was one of ten republicans nominated to be an elector. if trump won in wisconsin. on december 4th, he says he was advised by the state gop's outside legal counsel to gather the other republican electors on december 14 at the capitol. and as a contingency, signed a document claiming trump won the

state in case a court overturn the election in wisconsin in case the legal arguments that the trump team is making actually win in court, right? >> and i remember asking how can be that a court overturns the election and just because we don't meet and fill out this paperwork on the 14th that trump would forfeit wisconsin and the un legal analysis back was the statute is very clear. the electors have to meet at noon at the capitol in wisconsin on december 14. >> that morning, the state supreme court, 4-3 ruling rejected the trump campaigns attempt to throw out more than 200,000 votes. but andrew hitt says he and the other republican electors met any way to cast fake votes because he'd been told the trump campaign would appeal to the us supreme court. kenneth cheseboro, a-pro trump attorney, who was an alleged architect of the fake electors plan, showed up to watch we got

specific advice from our lawyers that these documents were meaningless unless a court said they had meeting, you were deciding >> to sign this document as an elector and getting the other electors to sign this document based on a court challenge that you yourself don't believe has legitimacy i wouldn't say it doesn't have legitimacy. that's different than not personally agreeing with it. >> you personally don't believe that legitimate votes by wisconsin residents should be tossed out. and yet, you are signing a document in support of a lawsuit which is alleging just that and if i didn't do that, and the court did throw out those votes, it would have been >> solely my fault that trump wouldn't have won wisconsin >> beautiful kids. good, good. i'm going to blame you, andrew, if they don't do it imagine the repercussions on myself, my family. if it was me

andrew hitt who prevented donald trump from winning wisconsin, you're saying you were scared >> absolutely. scared >> of trump's supporters in your state >> it was not a safe time. if my lawyers right. and the whole reason trump loses wisconsin, that's because of me. i'd be scared to death >> signing legal documents of such consequence that you don't believe in and you don't believe the underlying reason for the documents. it's i mean, it's not exactly a profile encourage know >> how do you feel about that now? >> i mean, terrible. >> if i >> knew what i knew. now i want to have done it. >> it was kept from >> us that there was this alternate scheme, alternate motive that alleged, alternate scheme is a prominent part of special counsel jack indictment of the former president,

charging donald j. >> trump >> with conspiring to defraud the united states according to smith, what began as a legal strategy and wisconsin evolved into a corrupt plan involving six others dates as well. >> donald j. trump of his state of florida, number of votes, 11, arizona, georgia, nevada new mexico, pennsylvania, and michigan. he said, we can't enter for some of the fake electors, couldn't convince police to let them into the capitol the electors already here they've been checked. >> jack smith cites this december 6 memo written by ken cheseboro detailing ways the trump campaign can prevent biden from amassing 270 electoral votes on january 6, smith alleges the multi-state scheme was designed to create a fake controversy and position the vice president to supplant legitimate electors with trump's fake electors and certify him as president by

january 4, according to internal emails, some and the trump campaign were panicking. they believe the fake electors documents from michigan and wisconsin hadn't arrived, and vice president mike pence's and it office, your colleague texted you can trump idiots, wants someone to fly original electric papers to the senate president. you wrote this is just nuts what was nuts about it? >> i mean, we have the certification coming on the sixth how do you not have the paperwork? >> i mean, you've said that you only went along with this plan to preserve trump's candidacy in the event of a court ruling january 4th, just two days before january 6, did you really think that was still possible? >> or remember though wisconsin supreme court had been appealed and so january 4th, it seemed like yeah, it's possible that a much more conservative united states supreme court could overturn a for three decision to get the paperwork to

washington. they picked alicia gunther than a 23-year-old law school student, working part-time for wisconsin's republican party. >> i was on break from law school and wanted to make some extra money to pay for books and works for the party for my month off a school. so on january 4th, i gotta call from thanks, document director of the republican party, wisconsin. since i was helping out at the time, what did you think when you got the text? >> yeah. first, i didn't know what it was and then he followed up and asked that the trump campaign wanted these papers flown out to dc because they had gotten lost in the mail, >> gunther says she picked up the papers here at the state party headquarters and on january 5th, flew to washington. so this is the email showed us or email chain with ken cheseboro and the trump campaign senior adviser, mike roman explaining that i should only give the documents to ken cheseboro so they asked me to meet up with him outside the trump hotel i mean, it sounds very secretive >> yeah. i thought that that email is pretty odd and dramatic.

>> and you knew what was happening on january 6, in terms of the certification of the vote? >> i don't know if i was very tuned into that truly because i thought that a court of law would need to need it to overturn the election for those documents to be used. >> did you know what cheseboro looked like? >> he had actually sent me a selfie, so i send yourself for yet so that you would know it was him? >> yeah. >> because she's still has photo saved on her phone let's ken cheseboro >> what did he say? >> he kind of took a dramatic step back and looked at me and said, you might have just made history. >> ken cheseboro told investigators he delivered the wisconsin documents to capitol hill the next day on january 6. he can be seen in videos outside the capitol near conspiracy theorist alex jones. >> and i want to look even more deeply at the fake electors scheme according to the january 6 select committee, an aide to wisconsin senator ron johnson tried to arrange to get the

fake electors relates to vice president pence. >> and i hope mike is going to do the right thing. i hope so. i hope so because if mike pence does the right thing we win the election. >> but pence's aide refused texting. do not give that to him according to the committee on the senate chamber had to be evacuated the real electoral votes in these boxes were taken to safety. when congress resumed, they were returned into the house chamber pursuant to senate concurrent risk vice president pence announced the election results includes the session at 03:44 a.m. january 7 the supreme court ultimately declined to hear the trump campaign's lawsuit in wisconsin what do you think about donald trump continuing to claim that the 2020 election was stolen >> it wasn't stolen, it wasn't stolen. one in wisconsin this past december, andrew hitt and

wisconsin's other republican electors settled a civil lawsuit against them by some of the state's democratic electors. they admitted they signed it document that was used as part of an attempt to improperly overturn the 2020 presidential election results hit resigned as chairman of the wisconsin republican party in august 2021. he's cooperated with the january 6 committee using our electors in ways that we weren't told about and we want to support it >> and he says he's also cooperated with federal prosecutors. >> he >> maintains he and the other fake electors and wisconsin were tricked whenever anybody sees our text messages or emails are documents they understand, they know they can their conclusion as we were tricked, the january 6 committee sought jack smith's specifically in his indictment, refers to some of the electors

were tricked. that was us, the former president is known to watch 60 minutes if he's watching, what would you want to say to him >> i would say that this country needs to move forward that we need a leader who is tackled serious problems and serious issues that this country faces and we need faith and our institutions again the next president of the united states needs to do that. >> in your opinion, that's not him >> it does not him, correct coming up, calls from president biden to step aside for a younger campaign are now coming from a popular new york times columnist, david axelrod, who just a few months ago raised similar concerns. join me next let's discuss that and then the latest polling showing nearly half of registered voters think president biden will be replaced as the democratic nominee >> candidate, john edwards cheated on his cancer-stricken

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as this is should find his way to stepping down as a hero that the party should help him find his way to that, to being the thing that he said he would be in 2020. the bridge to the next generation of democrats we're clients assessment that i'm shortly after a poll from monmouth university asked how likely it was that biden would be replaced as the democratic nominee for president. 48% said very likely or somewhat likely 50% said not too likely are not at all likely. joined now by david axelrod, chief strategist for the obama campaign, biden campaign. so david does the white house care what ezra klein or any other op-ed columnist, things should they care >> well, i think the president probably cares. i think he reads it. i'm sure irritates him. i know i've irritated him when i've raised this issue in the past, but i'll tell you what that monmouth poll didn't pull me because if they had pulled me but he said no, i think joe biden's going to be the nominee of the democratic party. i said last november, a few things i said, if you gave me biden's record and took ten

years off of them, i would have no concerns about this election, but that i thought age wasn't issue and that screams through every poll. but the last thing i said, what? because if joe biden wants to be the nominee of the democratic party, he will be the nominee of the democratic party because there is tremendous loyalty among a laila party to the president. i think there's a lot of respect for the president and so i think that's where we are right now. i think only there's the ai dea that some delegation of party elders are going to come and visit him at the white house. and and persuade him to step down is a fantasy. first of all, that's not the way politics works anymore. we're not in another century. secondly, that belies the fact of who joe biden is. joe biden is a guy who spent his whole life kind of coming up from nowhere to proving to people that he can that he's

going to hack it, that he has a chip on his shoulder and he deserves to he's accomplished a great deal and his attitude has always people underestimate me and i'm sure his attitude is there underestimating me. >> now >> so i just i read as his pc said, a lot of things that i'd said previously, but i don't think that's where we're going to end up its ensuring the argument as our clients making that he can't point that in meetings. joe biden is sharp and making sound decisions and his judgment is sound, but just in the running for the presidency, he's had stumbles, which i guess is meaning in public speaking or things like that. do you think that's a i mean, do you think that's a valid argument? >> well, i think it's true. i mean, i listened anderson the body of work that he's done, the things that he's accomplished the bills that

he's passed on a bipartisan basis against all odds, the coalitions he's forged globally and so on. those things don't happen by accident. he's clearly doing the job and you speak to people around them and they say that they say he's sharpen meetings and so on. he is not good in front of the camera anymore. i mean, that's pretty clear and he has trouble with that and that's how most americans see him. and worse than that, that's how social media season. he can he can give a brilliant speech and have nine bad seconds and that becomes, it's part of the mean. and that gets circulated a millions of people on tiktok, particularly younger people and that's that has been a real problem for him. so yeah, no, i do accept that he is that he has governed very, very competently and anderson, people, you spend some time with them for your podcasts. i'm sure he was very cogent when he spoke with you,

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rub for me, we'll set those said he, brenda wanted to keep gradually, you want successfully cloning your beloved schnauzer, eat all. i know it was a lot of trials and tribulations but he finally did it. now, you get to enjoy, eat all, then be happy. so give him a belly rub for me >> so now, by our senior chief reporter, harry enten, wow, how many of these cameo videos that santos actually done? apparently he seems to do them anywhere that seemed to be like an a wind tunnel on this. i don't know. it looks almost like where you expect like a hostage video to be taken are sucking in rubor? i don't know. maybe a late night it hooper maybe prefers lift. i don't know. look, he's he sold about a 1,200 of them and he's there, sell them for about $350 a pop that's up from where it was originally at 75. and the good news about all of this anderson is, look, here's some other

people. >> i think so santos is >> $350. kevin o'leary yes. mr. wonderful who's he? shark tank. >> oh, okay. yeah. yeah. yeah $1,500. you got ice tea at 600. you got don johnson, not dwayne johnson from miami vice. okay. he's at 500. my uncle, neil sedaka. i just learned that your uncles, neil sedaka, i went to school with neil sedaka, son, mark. mark. yeah. he was a lovely kid. he was a lovely kid. i remember nielsen. i remember going to neil sedaka is house i think the one on park avenue. >> cavity. i think it was like i'm west 85th. he's now you might have gone to march barmitzvah. that seems like a possibility. maybe. i don't know how great, you know, bar mitzvahs back in the day they know it was needle zach was huge. he was huge laughter in the range or level keep us together, told breaking up as hard to do. yes. sad blood? yes. a slew of these things may be what we can do is we can get uncle neil to do a cameo for the two of us and wish us well, on ac360, what do you think about that?

>> sure. that could be a big passover gift for you, ryan, pay for that or am i going to pay for that? i think maybe we could ask charlie maybe charlie morning the epa can pay for that. he sent me to buffalo, so maybe we can do one of these. santos has also mocked republicans over failing initially to impeach the homeland security secretary. he even posted this picture of the fell resolution results saying, quote, ms me, yet how much does the gop actually, ms his vote i mean, given how small the majority is right now, i think they ms him a lot. you know, if santos was still in congress, they could mike johnson couldn't afford to lose three republican votes and hold onto his majority. now, it's down to just two. so we're talking a congress that has passed very few pieces of legislation. in fact, it's historically past few two pieces of legislation. i think they've only passed 39 laws and bills that were actually became an law. so if santos was there, maybe it could be helpful to mike johnson and i would expect them to continue to talk republicans if they continue to have trouble passing bills and resolutions. >> i think you should move along >> as your speaking should. >> harry enten. thank you. thank thank you yeah. i'm going

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