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providers to send data back to beijing before american fighter jets shot it down. over the atlantic ocean. thanks so much to all of you for joining me tonight. ac360 starts now tonight on 360, how in vitro fertilization went from a >> godsend for childless couples to a political puzzlement. now in the republican primary, but south carolina voters, just hours away from casting their ballots also tonight, location, location, location, as in, could fani willis and nathan wade's prosecution of donald trump in georgia. the undone by what cell phone location data suggests about when the pair's romance began. then later, the new evidence raising serious questions about a death row inmates guilt. two decades after his conviction. >> good evening, everyone. john king here in for anderson. thanks for your time tonight, south carolina's republican primary is tomorrow. this the scene right now in the state capital columbia, where donald trump is expected to speak any
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moment. now, the question tonight, will he keep talking about the issue that has up ended the republican party? pretty this week, that being the recent alabama supreme court ruling that embryos created through in vitro fertilization, ivf, are children. and those who destroy them. the court says can be held liable for wrongful death. >> the >> decision has already halted ivf at three alabama facilities left couples in the state scrambling for alternatives and even raised concerns among anti-abortion advocates who may have cheered the end of roe v. wade, but did not anticipate this is also senate republicans, including trump, his rival nikki haley strunk, struggling to respond to an unwelcome and too many voters, voters, unsettling election year surprise, trump, of course, loves to brag about appointing so many staunchly confirm assertive judges, including to the supreme court. but he is making clear tonight he disagrees with what alabama is staunchly conservative. high court now says about ivf, his first statement was online, but tonight, he also criticized the ruling in south carolina that
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criticism coming on the eve of that state's republican presidential primary. it was in rock hill that he delivered that criticism and cnn's kristen holmes is there for us. kristen, tell us exactly what is the former president saying now about this alabama ruling? >> well, john, look, this comes after we heard from democrats and president joe biden linking this ruling in alabama directly to former president trump and his outsized role in overturning roe v. wade. but donald trump is saying that he is staunchly in 100% behind ivf easier for mothers and fathers to have babies, not harder. you know that that includes and you saw this was a big deal over the last few days? that includes supporting the availability of fertility treatments like ivf in every state in america you've been seeing, you've been seeing alabama. >> it's been a big story like
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the overwhelming majority of americans, including the vast majority of republican conservatives, christians, and pro-life americans. i strongly support the availability of ivf for couples who are trying to have a precious little beautiful baby >> and john something he hasn't been so definitive on is the issue of abortion. if does turn out to be a general election rematch between him and president joe biden. that issue is going to come up over and over again. but donald trump has continued to try to walk because this line one where he gets credit for overturning roe v. wade because of his appointment of three conservative justices to the supreme court, but also avoids talking about it and certain political speeches because he believes it is a political loser. again, something that's likely going to have to shift if he is in fact the nominee. >> and to that point, kristen, they knew the roe v. wade debate was coming from the biden campaign in the general election. how concerned are they now about another example
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more focused on reproductive freedom >> this is absolutely something they do not want to be talking about. donald trump wants to run on three things. immigration, the economy, and crime. he doesn't want to talk about abortion. i have talked to so many of his allies and senior advisers who say that donald trump believes it's a political loser even last night at a very conservative conference, he said, yes, you have to go with what's in your heart, but you also have to go with what gets you elected. that is his way of telling republicans stop talking about abortion. it's not a winning issue. john kristen holmes, thanks for so much in south carolina for us now, more on the politics of ivf and more with me here tonight are cnn political commentators, david urban, ashley allison, and david axelrod. david urban to you first as i was noting, already, roe v. wade was an issue for the republicans did even though donald trump name those three justices supreme court, who were critical to the decision, he has said privately and sometimes publicly, i think it's a losing issue well, how now this does it play? >> well, you saw clearly, i
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don't think donald trump has ever spoken more definitively about social issue than this. you just saw right there. i mean, he's kind of as kristen said, on what the on the abortion ban where the viability goes, whether it's six weeks, 12 weeks president and said he's not for a six week ban. but he hasn't defined where it clearly stands on this issue. you saw he can't get more definitive. it's a loser for republicans. it's a loser for americans. it's a loser overall. 9010 issue in america, nobody thinks that's a good idea except handful very concerned about a touch judges and alabama. >> but ashley democrats clearly, you see an opening. one thing trump did not answer the question of, does he consider an embryo to be alive, to be a baby? nikki haley says she does, but assuming the alabama legislature says it made pass a new state law trying to say, sorry, court, we want ivf to continue. we want people to feel safe and comfortable there. well, how do you see this going forward from a democratic perspective democrats need to continue to talk about this when roe was overturned, many folks including myself, but democratic elected officials
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were saying this is just the beginning of the continuous chipping away hey, of reproductive freedoms for women and now we see it playing out to david's point, yet is an unpopular issue. 90% of the country don't support these positions. and yet it is the law. now. and so that is why democrats can lean into this in 2024 and say, this is the issue, this is what we're talking about. asked the camp you're going to vote for where they stand on it because a lot of people were saying, oh, i support roe, but i didn't know what meant this. well, this is what an overturning of roe does, especially when it goes down to the states. >> so help me david, you're at two successful presidential campaigns. president biden says this is outrageous. it's not acceptable. who are we talking about where, how, how can the president used this issue? do to get who either to keep them in the democratic fold or for maybe suburban women who aren't so sure, maybe what we're them in 2020 might've been what trump in 2016 whose most importantly, i think there are two categories of voters here. one is the suburban particularly women in the
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suburbs, not exclusively who are on the bubble about this race. and the other younger voters. and i think that there is i think this issue is going to be an animating issue for a number of younger americans, but i just want to take the opportunity to review a little him history here. remember donald trump not long before he is running for president, was pro choice. totally. he needed to win over the evangelical voters in the republican primary. and so he swung hard to the right on this now. and he appointed the justice who ended roe versus wade now, having started that dumpster fire, he's trying to run away from it and so the first thing i thought when i saw this alabama ruling was where trump's going to jump on this because he needs to find a path away from the havoc that's been created that is frankly led to a string of democratic victory since, since the decision. >> and so i guess actually the question is, does it last, you know, we've seen in conservative states it's like kansas in purple states like
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michigan, that the roe v. wade, the dobbs decision is a powerful turnout mechanism and a powerful voting voter traction for democrats. you have the republican attorney general of alabama saying, look, i would never use this as the basis to prosecute anybody. the state supreme court ruling, you have republicans in legislature. they're saying we're going to try to fix it. my word not theirs, but they're gonna try to create a a law that does it still have shelf power. how do, how do you use it even if they even if they take some steps pretty quickly to try to say, sorry, court wrong. >> okay. so when roe fell and warned ohio, where right. 20 minutes from where i'm from, a black woman was tried to get charges filed against her for having a miscarriage because folks said, well, we wouldn't do that to him and we want to protect women. but when the law is no longer remote, was no longer the law of the land prosecutions do happen. so i think it can be charging factor not just for the top of the ticket, but down the ballot. elections of state supreme courts, guess what states have supreme court races this year? ohio, north carolina? montana,
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michigan. guess what else? most of those states are battleground states and have senate races. so it can definitely have a long shelf-life. a lot of those states also have prosecutor racism that so it could be a winning factor for democrats up and down the ticket. sure. that point, how to >> republicans respond already, the national republican campaign committee sending a memo to count nrsc saw like my good friend and colleague, dave mccormick, kari lake everyone out on the hustings, taking a stand position just like president trump did against this. but to ashley's point, how many states are going to have ballot initiatives if they're just like they did in kansas. dobbs. dobbs like if you're smart democrat, that's what you're trying to do in your state because that drives out turnout that gets shown, gets people to the polls. they've not be excited for joe biden, but they're excited about that and they will show up. >> but you mentioned this about trump, but he he did say he wants the alabama legislature and move quickly. and so he's trying to reposition himself here. if you're the democrat and you don't want to let him move how do you get glue under the feet >> yeah. well, look, i don't think he is smart to do that. i
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expect the alabama legislature will act on this because he has that kind of command. but i'm not sure that he can escape. you can't brag throughout a primary campaign about it. you are the one who was responding possible for roe being overturned and then run away from it easily in a general election, there's a thing called videotape, and i understand the democrats have some in which he talked about this endlessly. and so i think you're going to see a lot of that tape in a general election campaign could ask ashley both david's to stick around. i want to get your take on something else that being the former for president search for running mate. and all those campaigning for the job at this week cpac conference outside of washington plus in what could be a giant setback for the prosecutors in the georgia election interference case. the former president's attorneys say they have evidence now suggesting fulton county da fani willis and her lead prosecutor were a couple well before she hired him for the trump case the source with
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trump still hasn't clinch the republican nomination, but the jockeying to be his running mate is already underway. >> we gotta have is going to say tough things. well, we need to hear them and we have that leadership this november. it donald j. trump, several potential contenders took the stage at this week's conservative political action conference outside washington, serving as an unofficial kickoff to the so-called veepstakes competition house republican conference chair for at elise stefanik on friday touting her pro trump credentials. >> time and time again. i've stood in the breach for president trump for the constitution. and most importantly for you. we, the people in some of the toughest fights of our republic, ohio senator jd vance, voicing support for trump amid his legal challenges all of these law fares, they're all about showing the american people that you can have the president you want. but we're going to try to destroy them. >> south dakota governor kristi noem seemed to take a swipe at
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some possible vp candidates for challenging trump in the gop primary so why did all these other people and candidates get into the race for themselves, for personal benefit for a spotlight, for a period of time but it did not, and it does not strengthen our country if conservatives are not united enough to recognize that we need to win one potential vice presidential pick, not at the conference. south carolina senator tim scott, who warmed up the crowd at the former president's rally on the eve of the palmetto state's primary tomorrow. let south carolina soon the message to all america. the republican primary is over multiple sources close to the former president tells cnn, while trump has a habit >> of floating names to allies and donors to assess potential running mates. he remains far from a decision during a townhall earlier this week on fox news it's trump signaled
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that his short-list included former rivals tim scott and vivek ramaswamy, as well as noem, florida congressman byron donalds, former democratic congresswoman, tulsi gabbard. >> he would like to get somebody that could help you from the voter standpoint. and honestly, all of those people are good. they're all good, they're all solid among the cpac attendees of variety hey, do you ever opinions when it comes to trump's decision >> number one is kristi noem. the second one is really stepping >> third one is actually the governor of florida >> i like him a lot. >> and then the fourth one >> is senator tim scott i'm not a fan of identity politics most times, but i think with as the party is diversifying, i think we do owe it to our voters to get a candidate that is more diverse, it'd be a formidable ticket. imagine donald trump byron donalds, donald, donalds, a flat like bookmarked and
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flagged by the name donald. it's impudicus bumper sticker >> now we do know that allies have been encouraging trump to pick a woman to help him with suburban voters, but whomever he picks. >> it's going to come down to them >> walking a fine line between being popular and engaging john. but not overshadowing the former president, he is expected to be here to give remarks to the cpac crowd tomorrow afternoon. before of course, going to south carolina for that primary tomorrow night, john, see if he drops any hints. jessica dean, appreciate it very much back now, in the room with david urban, ashley allison, and david axelrod. david urban to you first is the republican. trump was smart. a lot of people it will say trump is all impulse. he actually was strategic in 2016 and picking pence when there was some talk of trying to take it away from him at the convention, he picked an evangelical christian conservative for middle america and a quiet at all that down. what does he need to do this time? >> look, i mean, if if if it were my pick right, i think i would pick the gentleman you stop their last senator tim
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scott does. it's trump said, i don't know if he's one of his interviews. he did it. tim scott was a terrible advocate for himself, but a tremendous advocate for me. and i think if you look at some of the numbers that if trump picks up just a small percentage, more of african-american men, really, really limits that path forward for joe biden to get a victory. so tim scott's a order he fires up the base. he's loyal to donald trump, and he will eliminate a path forward for victory for joe biden. i think it looks like the winter turn out that's one of the things you do in that thing. if you when you do travel now you do sense among the democratic african american base, some malaise, some disappointments, some of its inflation, some of it's about joe biden, some of it's not. but do you think that would be enough? i mean, it doesn't take much it doesn't take much on the margins of black turnout in detroit or black turnout in milwaukee black turnout in philadelphia in a 50-50 state, you think that would do it. >> but i remember when joe biden gave the first joint addressed back in 2021. and who gave the response? tim scott,
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this was an eye said that night, this is a test balloon to see if he gets traction tim scott is black, but i don't think he is going to pull black voters everything that he stands for is antithetical to what most black voters are looking for in a candidate we'll he's not going to be the thing to get him over the edge. i mean, maybe the 19% of black men who already voted for donald trump will stay there. but i don't think they're going to see tim, scott. and then as soon as he opens his mouth and starts talking his rhetoric, be like, oh, that's my guy. i don't think tim scott is it for >> you're a democrat, but i want you to play just strategy go bomb of picks. joe biden, barack obama for all the inspiration aspiration behind the campaign was a newcomer on the national stage, wanted a known name, a blue collar democrats what is donald trump's calculation? he's a former president. does is there a specific need or is it different when it comes to trumping looks such an unorthodox candidate. >> i actually agree with dave. i think think that if you look at this poll after poll, one thing that would concern
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democrats is that trump has consistently pulling 2020 1% of african american voters if it stays that way, he's going to be present in the united states. again, i without disputing the substance since of what tim scott stands for and different. he is authentically black. and i do think that he would be an asset to trump and he's clearly making a good run at it here >> i hear you. i think though like herschel walker was put up against raphael warnock to to kinda give that black men black versus black man. but when you heard what harsher walker stood for and who he would be as a politician, black voters said, no, we don't want that, even though they might not have gone for stacey abrams against brian kemp. so i think he would be to some black voters, but i don't think you'd be a persuadable.
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>> i would just say this also. look, i think tim scott helps greatly in the philadelphia suburbs, right? he helps soften trump's image and listen. he'll give a lot of people they're going to look at the ticket, they're gonna say trump's older. i'm a cast a vote for the first african-american republican president here. and that'll give them, they'll go pull the curtain and in their mind obey to justify broaden this out a little bit to whether cpac matters. it's trump pac now, i remember cpac many years ago was something very different they have a pinball game there, pinball machine with january 6 conspiracy senate and jeffrey clark, who is the justice department official who is under indictment of trying to help donald trump or reverse the attention, reverse the election of 2020 said that i was the only leader in the >> justice department who wanted to investigate the 2020 election with energy and drive, and to look at all of the possible problems with that election. and there were a lot of them. there are legal problems in terms of the
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state's changing their election laws without going through the state legislatures, which is unconstitutional. they were just flat out disobeying state election laws in many of the battleground states and then i think there were also issues with mail-in ballots, very serious issues with mail-in ballots. and there were also issues worth looking at about electronic voting machines court after court, after court, after court after court, all the way up to the supreme court with three donald trump's supreme court. justice said none of that's true so how helpful is it that they whether it's january 6 conspiracy theories or keep repeating that it plays great to that slide. that slice can't win you the general, i would if i were the biden campaign, i would pay it. i have every american see the cpac convention because the thing that has been forwarding republicans in the midterms and since has been this impression of the republican party as an extreme party. yesterday, you had someone stand up at the
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cpac convention as speaker and basically talk about we're going to start, we almost toppled democracy on january 6. we're going to do it now with this. and he held up across basically advocating for theocracy this is not the image that the republican party wants >> it's not helpful, especially the last part we talked about this off camera. last part where he says there's problems with voepel by mail, right? republicans need to have a robust vote by mail program at the bank votes. we need to get that done. otherwise, we're going to lose an election that to the former lecture day. >> it's not just not helpful. it is extremely dangerous. it is the threat of democracy that people are continuing to say over and over. and the problem is the folks in the clip showed earlier vice president candidates are now falling in line and saying they might not have certified the election. >> john, just quickly, i just want to say hello and my mom was rested up in the hospital in pittsburgh. get better for pulling 40 mile. >> that's worth a few extra seconds. thank you for covering it at a friday night, up next for us and breaking news, the georgia da fani willis has just responded to a new trump
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the two say they were romantically involved, remember, she and wade testified last week that their relationship began in early 2022 after his hiring and that he only visited her sporadically prior to that >> and would you say that was frequent? when i say frequent, do you think prior to november 1 of 2021, you were at the condo more than ten times >> no, sir. >> so it'd be less than ten times? yes, sir. >> so a phone records were to reflect that you were making phone calls from the same location as a condo before november 1 of 2021. and it was on multiple occasions to phone records would be wrong if phone records reflected that? yes, sir. >> maybe wrong, maybe wrong >> by contrast, though now, the new trump filing includes an affidavit from a defense investigator saying the two had in his words, 12,000 cell phone interactions in 2021. that's phone calls and text messages quoting from the willis rebuttal. now, quote, the records, do not prove in any way the content of the
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communications between special prosecutor wade in district attorney willis. they do not prove the special prosecutor wade was ever at any particular location or address. they do not prove the special prosecutor, wade and district attorney willis, wherever in the same place during any of the times listed? so the question now is what to make of all this and especially, but will the judge in the case, judge mcafee, make of it joining us now, too great cnn legal analyst michael moore and joey jackson, michael moore, former us attorney from georgia's middle district. joey, let me start with you the private investigator has this information. if it is accurate how she says doesn't prove anything. >> but the smoke. so it could be so big picture. this doesn't change the factual analysis with respect to the indictment. this is a deflection. it's a distraction. it's an entertaining one for everyone, but mr. wade and ms willis, of course. but the reality is is that we have to remember that so this is of georgia to a grand jury felt that appropriate to indict doesn't mean guilt is to trump in the 14 other defendants. i don't
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say 18 because for pled guilty at all. but it means there's sufficient reason to believe they engaged in various misconduct, so they are safeguards there with respect to a trial, there are safeguards and proving guilt beyond reasonable doubt. why do i say that john and the lead he didn't to directly answering your question because we have to know that there's integrity built into the process now, to your question, this is meant to undermine that integrity. was there an undermining of it? was their relationship. was there a quid pro quo with respect to financial relationships and conditions? i think the response is true in the event that there's cell tower data doesn't isn't pinpoint the specific location that's densely populated area. there are many businesses, et cetera. around that area that are open late. it does raise questions with respect to when a relation began, whether or not they were fabrications with respect to that relationship. and did it in any way impair this proceeding? that's the open question. so i'll conclude with this. i think at a minimum, john what could happen is that on march 1, instead of hearing closing arguments in terms of what the evidence means, they
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could be the reopening of this evidentiary hearing. and if the da is responding, it doesn't improve the content. maybe we get to see the underlying texts that will communicate it to see what they show with respect to the relations. >> walk us through that point because that is the question michael, in the sense that can the trump investigator gets the cell phone data that shows the pinks. where were the phones when we're when we're the text messages or when we're the phone calls made. could the judge now say, all right, trump team says you're in the neighborhood. fani willis says you weren't in the building i want to say it well, i'm glad to be the boat. maybe he could say that and i think what are we yesterday will be how far he takes us hearing if it does go from a summation an argument hearing what he's sort of set to actually go open and the evidence i have to look at this. remember that these phone records are coming in about the same time that he's going to be talking to mr. bradley the former law partner and friend of mr. wade, who apparently has some information. it has communicated by text and email with the defense attorneys about that. so if these records
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back up, something mr. bradley tells a judge in chambers and cameron private, or if mr. bradley tells him something that backs up the records in private, i think they've become i'm particularly critical. i mean, this this is about like watching somebody on the titanic say, well, the iceberg is really not that big. this is a big deal in the sense that it could very well undermine the credibility of the district attorney and mr. wade. that's a problem going forward because the judge has got to make a decision on whether or not there's been some appearance of conflict or has there been some false filing or statement made to the court? if that's the case, and i think she's got a problem. i don't know yet, but i do know that prosecutors and law enforcement use this type of cell phone tracking data all the time and so it's interesting to hear now the district attorney's office, kevin, and say, why don't really been proven anything. it's not a big deal. >> that's just not the case. i mean, that's how they use it to track people in cases on a routine basis and to say 12,000 interactions. and remember, mr. wade said, well, maybe he was at the porsche experience.
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well, that's a driving track down there. i don't think he's doing that at three or 04:00 in the morning after getting a text or call from ms willis. so these things have to be fair it out by the judge, probably in the hearing, kevin, you made a point the beginning. you're absolutely right. it has nothing to do with the facts alleged in the indictment. emperor subtle edge. donald trump, is it a central proven guilty, but this is how trump place. he attacks the credibility and constantly undermines those who are after him. and if he can show the two officers, the court in court said something that was not true, that would be pretty powerful. >> so i think john, that's problematic in the event you can prove that there was some lie under oath. now you have that as an issue potentially, in addition to the issue of any financial benefit, now, to me, i don't really see the financial benefit. is there an allegation that you will we're hired simply to kick back money to me. i think that overstates it broadly, and i think they look any good defense attorney is going to create an issue whether this issue moves the
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needle to get a case dismissed to get them off of the case to me, that's the open question, of course. but i think i just don't know that it moves it that far. >> oh, certainly will increase the already high attention as we move forward. and this one, michael moore, joey jackson, appreciate it very much up next for us, a texas death row inmate just days away. we're execution and the evidence, some say exonerates him washington's proposed capital regulation comes with a steep price tag and they're forcing americans to foot the bill. their new plan will make loans more expensive, increasing the cost of mortgages and car payments than it will hurt small businesses, making it harder for them to access credit, meet payroll, and run their operations well, budgets are already stretched by inflation and an uncertain economy. washington needs to know this capital regulation is another bill that americans can't afford only a band guard. you're more than just an investor. you're an owner. that means your priorities are
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>> in just a matter of days, ivan can to faces execution in texas more than 20 years after he was convicted of murdering his cousin and his cousin's fiance. in recent years now new evidence has come to light and cantu's story has become literally a cause celeb. cnn's ed lavendera reports for almost 24 years, cantu says he's maintained his innocence in the murders of his cousin, james mosqueda and his fiance, amy kitchen and he wants to talk about the case which brings us to this moment sitting down with cantu, who is not only an inmate on texas death row, but also a former grade school classmate of mine how are you, ma'am? >> i'm doing good. hey, thanks for coming out. if it's a blessing. thank you so much. it's good to see you. it's been almost 40 years, man and a long time. yeah. >> jen two was sent to death row the same year i started my career at cnn. the evidence against him seemed overwhelming. cantu's girlfriend and her brother testified he committed the
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murders. cantu's fingerprint it was found on a magazine inside the murder weapon, bloody genes and socks with the victim's blood was found inside his apartment and his cousins car police say he stole was also found outside his apartment. you gotta be honest with. i remember thinking i don't see how he didn't do it. right. it seemed pretty pretty open and shut to me. that at face value when you when you look at all the evidence, wasn't open and shut case, you've always maintained your innocence absolutely. from day one give me a new trial with the team and what the attorney that i've got today, but i want them to know, hey you know, stop the madness. >> but in 2019, the case against cantu started to look different matt duff, a tv producer turned private investigator, turned podcaster, discovered cantu's case and started digging. he's produced more than 40 episodes on the case in a podcast called cousins by blood i went into his innocence claim
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investigation with an open mind, knowing that he very well could be guilty. he could be just trying to spin a story. i think if anybody takes the time to just look at his case with an open mind, you can't say that he doesn't deserve a new trial. >> ivan deserves his face fair day in court. can to support her, >> say he was framed. can to alleges in court filings that james blueskay that was a big time drug dealer who owed someone 200 and $50,000. duff says testimony from the two key witnesses is riddled with falsehoods. cantu's girlfriend, amy, better testified cantu committed the murders around midnight on november 3, but cantu's legal team says to forensic pathologists, say the victims were actually killed hours later on. the morning of the next day, she also testified can to took a rolex watch from his cousin, the rolex, it turns out was never missing and return to the victim's family after the murders. amy better also testified she threw bloody
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genes and socks with the victim's dna in their apartment trash can but the genes don't have cantu's dna and our two sizes, too large in court filings can to also says two days before the victim's bodies were discovered, a man in a pizza delivery uniform came to his apartment and said his cousin owed money then fired a gunshot into cantu's apartment. that bullet matched bullets in the victims. >> the pizza man >> pizza man story was dismissed, but matt duff says they've identified the person and he matches the description of one of his cousins drug supplier. >> you remember being on the stand? >> amy betters, brother jeff, also testified that can to told him he planned to kill his cousin, amy. bet your died in 2021 and shortly after jeff better called the prosecutor's office and recanted his testimony. >> my statements charge >> prosecutors say jeff becerra's interview has been
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misconstrued and that ultimately the concerns about his testimony were alleviated and the district attorney, who has the power to reexamine the case, says, he remains, quote, fully convinced that ivan can to brutally murdered two innocent victims. and that this belief is quote, anchored in the undeniable evidence presented at trial. how do you react to that? >> i don't think they're >> looking at the same case at that trial. >> cantu's public defender attorneys never called a single witness. >> i think if you just lay it all out, even though the state's case was so strong if you look at it from the other direction than people would see this case and a completely different way we can to is scheduled to die on february 28. >> i just have to brace for impact and the worst-case scenario. they ignore everything and placement on that gardening kill me. >> it's bizarre and kind of surreal to think about how different paths our lives are taken. i've always struggled on like making sense of what's happened to you. >> thank you they're saying that took years off
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>> john three jurors who sent ivan can to death row, including the jury foreman, have now come forward to say they believe kennedy to deserves a new trial, and had they heard the evidence that has come out in recent years, they would not have voted to convict him, but prosecutors maintained and reject all of the new that have come out, and ivan cantu's legal options are quickly running out. john, remarkable reporting 11, derek, thanks so much coming up for us back to the south carolina primary, how it looks through the eyes of high school students, some of whom are about to vote for the very first time. >> why choose asleep numbers? smart bad? can it keep me warm when i'm cold >> wait. no, i'm always hot. >> sleep number. does that can i make my side softer? >> i make my side firmer sleep number. does that can i help us sleep better and better >> sleep number does that 94%
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students and debate club, model un, and various ap courses a mixture of political persuasions. some already old enough to vote. the other soup. >> i remember back in 2015, she removed the confederate flag on her state house which was pretty the surprisingly controversial among a lot of south carolinians. >> what's your perception of how things will go on saturday when people vote? >> i mean, in the news right now, we see everybody talking about the protection of trump winning. but nikki haley still on the ballot, she possibly could get a bunch of votes from people. so it's just more of like a wait and see kind of thing. >> you can be surprised when you just see it all turned out to pan up. >> and even then, nikki haley haley, if she does lose the primary, she still is planning on continuing her presidential campaign, even through so she's still definitely has a lot of potentially even going through even if she does lose the primary, there's still a lot of central there. >> i think that's what makes donald trump stand out, is how he differentiates,
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differentiates from the traditional republican views and how that's why he has such popularity gain or popularity favoritism over nikki haley. nikki haley, obviously, it's >> relatively young person 52. but the other two candidates are good bit older, right? >> our generation is the future of america. so why would we be electing people into office who aren't the future, right >> chills at this point that these candidates are doing think there's more to make a legacy for themselves rather than the legacy over country. >> i personally don't think like if as long as you have the right mental capacity, age isn't that big of a factor near the end of the class, the topic donald trump's legal issues, if he were to be found guilty of a crime. and even so far as to be incarcerated should he be president? >> now it's against 14th
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amendment. it's against the constitution because the 14th amendment does not say the word precedent does it? does that matter? >> know >> so why would we allow someone to run for president be a criminal and be our president that doesn't make sense. >> no man is above the law. i agree with that, but it hasn't been proven guilty yet. so innocent until proven guilty. >> if he does you convicted though, we can't just let it slip like we can't just, you know, me >> no man is a man or woman is above after the class ended, i had this question, who do you think is going to win his presidential election november trump. >> i think trump >> i also think trump probably trump. >> trump. >> i'm going to be optimistic and say, biden, you're not a republican. no >> trump, trump? >> david biden truck >> trump trump. >> both of you say trump a win.
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and why do you think trump's going to win? >> been forced to your eye? can there. >> he plays a different game. like everyone else is playing checkers and he's playing chess >> john, of the 12 students in the class, five of them have already turned 18, and we'll be able to vote in the primary tomorrow. a total of nine of them will be 18 by november number fifth, and we'll be able to vote in the general election our thanks to the students, teachers, and administrators, and may river high school for their hospitality >> john gary tuchman. thank you so much in just a reminder, cnn will bring you full coverage of tomorrow's south carolina republican primary, charging at 06:00 p.m. eastern time up next for us, breaking news tonight about the suspect taken into custody and the killing of a nursing student at the university of georgia campus united states of scandal with jake tapper sunday at nine on cnn. >> i name is bryan. how far and because of tiktok, i have the power to educate people and
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>> yeah. john does remains an ongoing investigation as we're told right now, there are still detectives who are at an apartment complex who are using a search warrant to go through this suspect's apartment, were told that man's name is jose ponyo are berra he's 26 years old and he's a non-us citizen, they believe from venezuela, what we're told they believe this was a crime of opportunity and that he was on this popular trail when that young lady was running by and then he attacked, listened to the police chief from uga talk about this investigation just in the last hour he has been charged with the following malice, murder felony, murder >> aggravated battery aggravated assault false imprisonment kidnapping hindering a noun 11 call and concealing the death of another
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lakeland riley. she was 22. she's a nursing student from augusta university college of nursing. you see her face there. you can understand the pain on this campus were outside her sorority today. you could see some of her fellow system they were just crying. they were besides himself. this has really shaken this campus. there hasn't been a murder on this campus, and some 20 years and this young lady was running on a trail that she loved to run. a lot of people go out there with their dogs. and apparently, this man chester, grabbed her and then tried to conceal her body. we watched as a tech. has all day long worked through a woodline, went through trash cans. they were trying to gather evidence from what we're told. there's also video evidence in this case and it couldn't get into all of that today. but we're told maybe parts of the attack were captured on that video surveillance. we know extra resources were brought in from the gbi to the state troopers, all trying to figure this out. but when you think about this campus and how it's sorted, crushed the culture here. you
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understand the pain now, classes have been canceled till monday. we believe there will be some sort of memorial service. but as a parent, giardia, i'm sure you understand this when the chief was standing up there, he was just talking about the idea that last night he couldn't so this young lady's name because they hadn't told the parents just yet we even know that her sister is put up a message on facebook just to talk about her own sister. so when you put all this together, john, the pain that they're feeling here to understanding that someone would just attacker on that trail, there's a lot of questions that still haven't been answered yet. we're also awaiting that mug shot that we haven't and got from the county jail as of right now, >> remarkable reporting friday night developments. ryan young for us on the campus at the university of georgia. ryan young, thanks so much. obviously, you'll continue to follow the case as we get more developments. throughout the weekend. thank you for your time tonight as well. the news continues, the source, starts now >> tonight straight from the source just hours away from the