they're running as far away from this alabama decision as they can run. joe high, bring us up. well, that's donald trump is wrong. >> what that he can run and hide from this. it's going to stick to him >> there's been a lot of talk about how laura trump, who trump wants to put. and as the co-chair of the rnc, as well as chris lacivita think is his name. who's going to be basically the day-to-day manager of the place, how they are going to orchestrate paying off trump donald trump's legal bills and have massive purges of the rnc. i think both of those things will not happen either at all or at least not until after donald trump is the nominee. >> i just checked bag because i had an idea. you're going to talk about this. they've already paid pacs or super pacs, everything over 70 million in legal bills. it's an astonishing number and it's only going to go up gang. thank you all for being here and thank you for spending part of your day with us. we'll see you right back here next week.

>> hello, everyone, and welcome to the amanpour hour from ukraine here's where we're headed this week to two years of bipartisan pledges to help for as long as it takes congress false ukraine's future is more uncertain than ever. and putin plots his next move. if we don't stop putting in ukraine, he will keep going. >> also, this our ukraine's foreign minister blames weapons delays for russia's biggest strategic win in months. >> we wouldn't lose a vip guy if we had received older i'm initiatives that we needed to defend our more ukrainian towns on the front line at risk. then from my archive, deja vu all over again, the pro-democracy ukrainian president poisoned in an assassination attempt, running against a pro kremlin candidate people cry when they see my face. but my country has

also been disfigured >> my 2005 conversation with ukraine's viktor yushchenko the gostiny foretelling of the fate of alexei navalny >> and finally, >> how hearing is believing in a very different holocaust movie, the zone of interest, this sort of out-of-sight, but never out of mind. director jonathan glazer joins the show welcome to, the program, everyone. i'm christiane amanpour in kyiv, here during what may be another turning point in the war against russia in washington, $60 billion in additional critical military aid is stalled in congress. even as russian forces consolidate gains in and around the fall when town of avdiivka, since this war began, i find the mood here on the street has changed dramatically. once still he is the unity of purpose from people and government officials. i've spoken to, but there's also a

current of high anxiety as russia ramps up, military pressure and the flow of american and other arms is cut off. so on this february 24, entering the third year of russia's invasion, here's a look at how it started and where the war might be going the world expected it, even though putin denied it but somehow, when russia invaded ukraine, just before dawn on february 24, 2022, it was still a shop the case against the odds, zelenskyy rally the nation and the world and ukraine put up a fierce fights, love on russia. russia's much-vaunted military was exposed as out-of-date, badly planned, and overstretch. the shocking brutality of putin's forces was soon laid bare as ukrainians pushed them back. bag first in bucha on the outskirts of kyiv, where

investigators found bodies in the streets. evidence of torture executions in cold blood and mass graves, all alleged war crimes. much of the world stood with zelenskyy then as his forces liberated kharkiv in the northeast and by november had retaken the southern city of kherson in a major counteroffensive not long after that, zelenskyy received a hero's welcome in washington. add an additional 2 billion in security aid it was here on my dan square ten years ago that ukraine's love of democracy began in earnest. dozens of people were killed by the pro putin president at the time because they wanted to turn towards europe. but putin wanted to keep them in his orbit. he's still does and they are still struggling to hold him off >> but >> 2023 saw fewer successes and a much-vaunted counter-offensive has yielded

little bit stalemate according to ukraine's then military chief and his firing mark, the need for a reset, as you ukraine enters a third year at war and attempts to get back on the front foot ammunition is running dangerously low and russia maintains a big advantage in sheer manpower. when i spoke with him in munich just days ago, president zelenskyy insists they can still win. >> we have to work in one in one join team. that did answer. if you grant will be alone, you have to understand what will be russia will destroy us, destroy baltic, destroy poland real afternoon. >> but in the midst to be election, former president donald trump has blocked congress sending more military aid while encouraging putin to have his way with nato nations ukraine is vowing to press on, but without a much needed cash infusion and new weapons systems the warning signs of

flashing red the reality now is that putin's invading forces are more emboldened than ever after their most important strategic win in months, uh, when ukraine's foreign minister dmytro kuleba tells me would not have been possible if kyiv had had enough artillery to defend itself. i asked him if he's still confident that congress will deliver the aid promised i think it is going to happen because the united states of america iris, iris irrespective of their political affiliations, understand that what is at stake in ukraine goes far beyond ukraine and is of national interest, national security interests to the united states. we regret that it's taking so much, so much time we suffer from enormous lee insufficient supply of artillery ammunition, and other types of weapons and therefore, all we can do is just to urge to make things happen faster,

to save lives here in ukraine and to allow us to keep our territory under control and liberate those territories which were occupied by the russians so both president biden and you, yourself and others have said that essentially the slow rolling of aid >> is showing up on the front line and you have said we are paying with our lives for the failure or the slowness of certain europe to ramp up its defense industries yes. >> again, yes. the problem and our european partners recognize that. is that it took them too much time to admit that they have to invest long-term into production of weapons. let me let's be frank to put the weapon production is not the most popular area for investment in europe. europe has is used to living in peace >> but just because you're country's allowed the p.sit dividend when the fall of the soviet union happened without a single drop of blood. but now

there is a war and the europeans have to accept the fact that the era of peace in europe is over with the someone likes it or not. it's over and you have to invest long-term in the production of weapons and i'm making the point when i speak to my roupian colleagues that every piece of weapon, every round of ammunition produced in europe should serve the purpose of defending europe and the place where europe is being defended is ukraine. >> i'm going to play this. what pete ricketts said. >> it takes time to bring democracy is along. the same thing as it happened the united states, we will get there with regard to making the investments in our defense industrial base, supply hi the weapons to ukraine. what it's going to take time to get there. there may be different paths to get there. i'm reminded of winston churchill's quote, americans would do the right thing after exhausting all other possibilities. >> that's what he said what and how long can you crane hold out for america to do the right

thing >> well, we will not fall. whatever happens but if we want to save lives, if we want to decrease the cost of repelling the russian aggression than the assistance has to come literally tomorrow, people have to understand one simple thing. adopting the law is important, but delivering stuff to the frontline takes time and while this decision is still pending, and then add logistics, all of this time, i'll soldiers will be sacrificing their lives at the front line, holding up against an overwhelming force of russia. they are making miracles and they must be credited for that. but the reason they have to sacrifice themselves and die is because someone is still debating a decision. and i respect domestic politics. would not interfere into it, but i just want everyone to remember that every day of the stayed in one place means another deaths. a death in another place. >> the fall of the town or city

while we were talking in munich avdiivka fell some hundreds of ukrainians who were wounded were unable to be evacuated. >> and >> as, you know, as your commander said, the russians were advancing over the corpses that were in their way and now we hear, when we see pressure being put on the kharkiv region >> can you hold out >> we wouldn't lose aviv cry if we had received all the artillery ammunition that when you did to defend it that is my answer to your question. >> simple as that. >> i don't think it requires any additional comments. >> there is a war. this war will continue. russia does not intend to pause. russia does not intend to withdraw. they will undertake other offensive operations and they always act in a very simple i would say even salami tactics, they slice one town or one village and

then they focus all of the resources so on another one so once of de is under their control, they will undoubtedly choose another town or city and begin to storm it with ruthless in ruthlessly systematic way. the only good news here is that they are enabled and we should not overestimate the might of russia. they are unable to to maintain large scale operations simultaneously along the front. they don't have resources for that but they switch on one city, one town after another. and the fall, the fall of one city means that someone else, someone else's time has come. >> there are others who've asked about elections, for instance, they are meant to be elections, but there's martial law, so there won't be elections. what does that say about ukraine's democracy and its commitment to democracy? proceed >> well, first, we wouldn't survive the russian attack if we were not a democracy. and we

will not win this war. if we do not remain a democracy. and i realized that people love to make tests in ukraine to test their crater, their ideas. if they can quote a country that was successful in holding elections, national elections? during the war of this scale and intensity i will be happy to sit down and learn how a list of problems were solved in order to make this elections happen this is not an issue of willing or not willing to hold elections. this is an issue of finding answers to very specific questions. how do you ensure the security of voters? who will go to the voting station every voting station is a target people will be simply afraid to go and cast their votes. >> how >> do you ensure the right of a soldier to both run in elections? or to vote while

he's in the trenches on the frontline. >> as >> foreign minister, i have to make sure that millions of ukrainians abroad will have the right to exercise their voice. there. their boat. so there are tons officials, but look around, this is a country that fights because it is a democracy. otherwise, we would have already lost foreign minister kuleba. >> thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> you're watching the amanpour hour from the ukrainian capital kyiv. and when we return, i asked the us undersecretary of state for political affairs, victoria nuland, if and when she thinks congress will send the urgently needed aid here then later in the show, a warning from history, the poisoning of a president and the democratic revolution that set putin on this path to invasions i know what kind of country i live in and who is in charge of the government. but i didn't think they'd be cynical enough to poison vegas

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>> yes. u2. and i just wonder, you probably heard what andrey kurkov, you probably know him, said that he would say to the americans, if he could, what's your response to him and others here telling us america talks a good game but right now with stalled and it needs to remember, it is the father, mother of democracy and freedom around the world >> well, thank you, christiane. that's the point that president biden is making as well. and that's 70 senators made just last week in passing overwhelmingly the administration supplemental request, including 60 billion for ukraine. so now the question is in the house of representatives and support for ukraine across the united states is still strong. so we hope that representatives will reflect that. and the way they vote and it's strong not just because people understand how brave and resilient ukraine has been, but that this is not just about ukraine. if we don't stop putin in ukraine, he will keep

going. and autocrats and tyrants all around the world will take comfort and think that they too can chunk off a piece of their neighbor. so this is absolutely essential >> it is. and i do hear you and the others in the administration and supporters talking about the vital necessity to do this. but as people say, hope is not a strategy. and do you have any actual belief or reason to believe that eventually this bill will be paid. and if not, how are you going to make sure ukraine gets weapons and ammunition? >> christiane, i have strong confidence that when the house comes back after they've been out in their districts, hearing from the american people, after they have heard from ukraine, they have heard from europe, which by the way, just past 54 billion in additional aid itself, that we will do what we have always done, which is defend democracy and freedom around the world, not just for

victims of tyrants like putin, but in our own interest in preserving a free and open international order that's what we need to do. we've done it before and by the way, we have to remember that the bulk of this money is going right back into the us to make those weapons, including good paying jobs in some 40 states across the united states but equally, the lack of that money and most importantly, the materiel for the frontline fighters is being felt on the front right now. and i've in the last few days that i've been here, have heard nothing but tales of how lives are being lost land is being lost. it's really, really urgent. what, what is your us government assessment of the dangerous for ukraine on the frontline right now, while you are absolutely right, christiane, when i was there some three weeks ago the ukrainian military was reporting that in some parts of

that frontline that they've been holding world war for one style trench warfare for two years now, some of the soldiers have only 20 shells to survive the day so this supplemental not only gets the money, gets them ammunition now, it also helps him to begin producing their own ammunition and to have a stronger for opportunity going forward and to build a highly resilient force of the future. you are in kharkiv in kharkiv, as you probably noticed, putin is trying something different. he has bombarding one of ukraine's most beautiful eastern cities from the air every day trying to flatten it and by the way, it's a russian speaking city that he is bombing. remember he said that he was going in in the first place back in 15 to protect russian speaking ukrainians. and now he is bombing them. and that's another way that without more

air defense, et cetera he can do his bidding with you in ukraine and you could feel it in the desperate voices of those you interviewed. it's not the russia that frankly, we wanted we wanted to partner that was going to be westernizing, that was going to the european. but that's not what putin has done. and as desperate an awful situation, this is for ukraine putins also destroyed his own country through all of this. and we will continue to tighten the noose on him and force his choices to be to come to the table well, in a serious way or live with the russia that he's rot, which is not the russia he promised his people >> under secretary of state victoria nuland. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. christian coming off on the show, innocent people caught up in the carnage of war. director jonathan glazer tells me why his oscar nominated movie, the zone of

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>> thank you for further drill >> sergeants, push them through their paces with urgent basic training for the trenches, urban war fair, and assault maneuvers every woman and man counts now for a battle that seems to have returned to the dire days at the start 28 year-old sarah, he came back from lithuania to serve two weeks ago, despite his health what was wrong with you >> it's asthma. >> but right now we need to take our best man and no matter what i will i will serve my country until the week for let us brigade says its training professional fighters, not cannon fodder like russia their soldiers helped evacuate survivors of the battle for avdiivka look where russia has now raised its flag. but many of their wounded were left behind. just watch this video call between a severely injured

soldier, ivan and his panic stricken sister katerina yvonne and his comrades never made it. ukraine says there was a deal. russia would evacuate them and exchange prisoners instead russia released video of them dead the brigade says they were shot these, are desperate times in ukraine's fight to survive. they need to replenish the ranks of the dead and injured and even here at the superhumans facility in the western city of lviv, therapists and prosthetics specialist work around the club giving these war amputees a

second chance and even a return to the front lines. 25-year-old anastasia safka is an army sniper. she stepped on a landmine and november near the zaporizhzhia front. and she tells me they are scattered there like snow drops in spring like daisies in summer. >> so >> jeremy couldn't get out for a long time because we were under very heavy fire. she tells me, to be honest, we were ready to die there. the attacks was so close and we were thinking this was the end all go rude. neva is ceo of the center, which is supported by ukrainian businessman and the american philanthropist howard buffett. 80% of the patients, a military many of them multiple amputees that's because august says the wounded cannot get out of the battle zone during the so-called golden hour to save their limbs. >> people are advocated for ten hours bike from rods very often because russians are shelling our medics. so by the time they

arrive at stabilization point, we have to cut them high because of the turonian cats. so that's why have multiple amputations >> not only are they outmanned, they are also outgunned the gridlock in congress over military aid is showing up at the front and time is not their friend we reach sergeant micola, who's also serving now on the zaporizhzhia front line. >> do you have enough weapons? do you have enough people? do you have enough ammunition >> of course, we don't. he says there is a catastrophic shortage of people the same with weapons. >> there aren't enough dallas for artillery and tanks, or the tanks and artillery themselves. on a brief hiatus in the rear. they've had to buy their own mortar, small caliber, just for self-defense. problem is no ammunition anastasio practices

perfecting her balance, her in regaining the strength to shoulder her weapons. and she wants to go back to the front. >> the other words of sun was where we're all i think anything is possible. she says but whatever happens, we all need to fight this together because the enemy is advancing >> no >> one wants their children to still be fighting the war. they an their parents have been fighting ever since putin's first invasion, a decade ago up next, a look back into my archive and the shadow of navalny's death for told the case of the ukrainian candidate poison during his presidential campaign. >> it's something out >> of an agatha christie novel though, isn't it? that in 2000 and for a presidential candidate in the, heart of europe could be poisoned >> united states of scandal with jake tapper tomorrow at nine on cnn. pain hits fast, so

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if the plot to poison yushchenko has as it is, it has completely disfigured hit him >> you challenged people about your face. you said that your face is the face of everything that's wrong with ukraine. >> what do >> you mean by that >> but i knew luckily, because people cry when they see my face but my country has also been disfigured with the drama now will bring both back to health >> how do you deal with this now as a man? >> the cohesion, this yushchenko, i'm still not used to >> his what us can co looked like only six months ago when he began his campaign to unseat ukraine's authoritarian rulers by returning oh, to seek his mother's blessing. when you started in this idealic traditional moment, did you have any premonition, any idea

that it would be so tough bookkeeper methodic ukrainian years rule. >> i know what kind of country i live in. and who is in charge of the government? but i didn't think they'd be cynical enough to poison me >> ignored by ukraine's highly controlled media. >> use can >> grassroots campaign against government corruption was somehow starting to catch on. he barnstorm the country with his american-born wife, catherine, often at his side. >> he was a great threat to the old system, to the system where there was a great deal of corruption, where people were making millions, if not billions catherine, who's ukrainian parents, emigrated to chicago, was used to straddling two worlds. but nothing prepared her for ukraine's poison politics. >> it's something out of an agatha christie novel although isn't it that in 2000 and for a presidential candidate in the heart of europe could be

poisoned. >> the whole purpose of what they did, i believe now was to keep him out of the campaign to knock him out. they tried to destroy him politically and i always feared when they were not successful, that they would try to then do something physically. >> look at these lovely children all in orange. i must say this is a symphony in my heart. >> i've very much fear that something would happen to our entire family and then suddenly it did on september 6, yuschenko fell critically ill, and no one in ukraine could >> explain why it was a very, very, very difficult situation. many of the dr. told us that they were that they just had never experienced somebody who having so much pain for so many unknown reasons. >> he had symptoms such as a swollen pancreas, stomach ulcers and a crippling barricade do you know who did this to you specifically?

>> was a moment with them are building way up on them through the other >> i have no doubt this was done by my opponents in the government that's who would benefit the most from my death. >> but the government brushed off these allegations until the hard proof came in. three months after yuschenko first fell ill. this lab in amsterdam reported dioxin levels in his blood, 6,000 times above normal. spokesman for russia's security services would not comment on either case but president putin's role during the election remains controversial. herschel, he openly backed the handpicked successor of the previous regime, coming to kyiv twice to lend his support. >> one of your most important world neighbors is obviously russia. president putin supported your opponent during the election. how do you reconcile with him

>> yep. >> just because you i'll give him my hand and say, what do you move let's forget the password and think of the future as last week, he did just that greeting president putin on his first trip abroad since his inauguration yes, those doesn't really show everyone now understands only ukrainians have the right to choose ukraine's president. our president is not elected in moscow or anywhere else. >> it's, now clear that viktor yushchenko was an early casualty in vladimir putin's ongoing war against ukraine's independence and democracy up next on the program, why hearing is believing in the unnerving oscar movie zone of interest. director jonathan glazer joins me next. >> i wanted the, the horrors to be sort of bearing down on this colic atmosphere that they created for themselves regardless tomorrow.

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welcome to the program and congratulations, not just for the awards, but for the incredible amount of interests and conversation that zone of interest has sparked, it is extraordinary in the way you chose to depict the holocaust essentially, without showing the victims, but showing the commandant and his family and showing the comforts that at least the wife and children were used to and really liked an ignored what was happening just over there was what were you saying? bye? by doing the adjacent to the camp >> you know, obviously the many films made about the holocaust. and many of them, most of them in fact, would we would be with the prisoners, would be with the incarcerated, and i thought what was a very very interesting starting point and perspective was the was there was the point of view of the perpetrator and the sort of grotesque stark situation here

is that the haas house root of hamas lived with his family. i mean, what you see in the film is really a direct simulation of how they did actually live where their garden or buts, the death camps that he was in charge or so on one side, you have this be this cornucopia i'm on the other side. of course you have hell >> and i'm that >> sort of wall for me as almost as manifestation of how we come compartmentalized the suffering of others in order to a normalize the suffering of others, some, to some extent, in order to protect and preserve our own comfort and security. i think what we're trying to do with the film was to find a space or greg create a space where the viewer could actually project themselves onto them and see how familiar are how familiar they are. rather not have the comfort and benefit of being able to kind of empathize with the victim rather to the discomfort of

seeing ourselves in the perpetrators >> you said that they're almost two films. one is the visual and the other is the sound. talk to me about the sound how are you recreated what was going on over that wall through sound >> and right for me off that, i didn't want to reenact these atrocities using actors and extras. i feel that that imagery is something that we all know and it's sort of seared into our consciousness it is sound of course is interpretive and we are able to see those pictures in our mind's eye because we hear those sounds. so again, because the film is sort of defiantly made from the garden side of that wolf, from the hot side of the wall i i i wanted i didn't want to ever go over there. i wanted to be, but nonetheless, i wanted the horrors to be sort of bearing down on this bucolic atmosphere that they created for themselves regardless. so

it's sort of it's in other words, it's sort of out-of-sight, but never out of mind. and the sound was a year long workload really of gathering field recordings and going out and shooting field recording sonically in order to be able to then construct is sort of sonic landscape which depicts the horrors and the sort of perpetual the trust is going on over the other side of the war. >> i mean, you talk about hannah arendt's banality of evil. but then if we all have that capability, what gives you hope that we will all not act like that? there are a few really amazing moments of hope that you visualize in a sort of sometimes a dream sequence. >> i believe we're not just that as human beings, it sits, obviously the >> what i would hope that we >> would be able as a species to evolve out of that, out of our capacity for violence in thought and inaction. and so i'm certainly haven't given up hope and i do think that it was

important to include hope in the film or the, or the, or something holy. and the girl that you referred to as a local polish girl? based on a conversation i have with the 90 year-old woman who was that girl at the time, who lived two kilometers from the camps and took it upon herself to leave food for prisoners at night where and where she could aware and when she could and it felt very important to include light, it felt very important to include the other side of human nature and what we are, what we can do i mean, it's trying to ask ourselves as a film to have a genuine human response. y, y1 life can be considered more valuable than another human pain is pain and loss is loss. and at their most basic needs and desires of of us are the same >> it really is. i have to say remarkable talking to you about this and getting into this film again, sitting here in ukraine

when so much barbarity is happening all around us. i'm jonathan glazer. thank you so much. director of zone of interest thank you so much you can watch the zone of interest in cinemas now and it's also available on streaming. when we come back, the acclaimed russian ukrainian choreographer running the battlefield to ballet there is to hear about your father. father, mother. thank you. well, let's a little better >> you have no park, no soul fabric curb your enthusiasm. >> streaming exclusively on max. >> okay, everyone. our mission is to provide complete balanced nutrition for strength and energy. >> ensure with 27 vitamins and minerals, nutrients for immune and ensure complete with 30 grams of protein are you still

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started two years ago, alexei ratmansky was thrust into the geopolitical spotlight the acclaimed choreographer who has roots in ukraine and russia told me about the haunting image that inspired his latest balloon, solitude the initial impulse for this ballet was a photograph from >> the russian crime scene in ukraine, the bus stop that was skipped by the missile, killing few people, among them, the boy and you see the father sitting by next to his body holding his hand, as i learned later, the boy was an aspiring dancer. he was searching years old, the ballroom dancer, when you see this picture, you content see it and it's been haunting me. all this time >> i >> look at things with choreographers, eyes and i read

body language. what this image tells you, the profound sadness and the tragedy, the shoulders dropped, the deep void in the gaze of the father >> the last count in january, the un reported more than 10,000 civilians dead since the war began. and the real number is thought to be much, much higher you can watch the rest of my interview with alexei ratmansky at amanpour.com for the past two years, america and the west have promised to support ukraine so that putin did not win this critical battle for democracy and freedom today, though i'm hearing more and more of this sober tool that is no good voicing support for democracy unless you are going to keep providing the weapons to actually defend it i'm, christiane amanpour in kyiv. thank you for watching and i'll see you again next