on our apartment will do everything in order to yeah. but now seems victorious no matter how difficult it would be, obscene, blockchain is not everyone is in a better position than our war is. that's why i'm so grateful to them. i don't want suv say thank you to all their families. thank you >> although >> warriors not only those who he lost that near india during this war >> lumberjack. >> i want to thank you that you brought up. heroes. those real ukrainians, and it definitely won't keep our response to an aggressor so putin's to russia to his circles. always sub-humans yoco's i seek, thank you for your resilience. vaishal, narrow of our army. people, people of ukraine

>> ukraine until ukrainian victory, full stop go ahead >> we're going to deal with two hours ago under a yermak said literally on a the peace summit, something will happen that some representatives russian federation will be invited. whoever will be representing the country of aggressors. and if they would like to stop the war, i'd come back to just a piece in your interview to fox news, you told that we can not trust putin because he wouldn't give up up his money, alcohol, ideas of occupy the whole of ukraine. so what will be the moves towards russians

bringing them to the negotiation table? thank you for answer. questions first of all, when it comes to samaj, i think it's correct. to get stronger on the battlefields that all depends on us, on our partners and it's correct to get stronger diplomatically, we don't want to get any format, any formula of pieces imposed on us, all our partners all the countries who are not here and not waging the war and i don't wish any war upon them, but it's very important initiative should come only from ukraine. we initiated during g 19 in indonesia today, week in this moment of the first peace summit, which was in a gray, which will be integrational summit, and i hope that it will

be happening in springless year. we cannot lose this diplomatic initiative and being mood in the summit will take place in switzerland. the second summit we would like to have sibley not, maybe not in europe somewhere else on different continents. and i think that's nearest month for weeks we will get information on this first summit, will work on the plans. and then technically it's countries will be looking to every type of crisis that this war brought in we'll get the final document on the example of our grant for ukraine initiative, we're told that we don't trust putin and we agreed upon our fats and we agreed with turkey and guterres, secretary-general of un and then our plan was

passed on to the russian side. and it was we didn't care whoever was involved with initiative. and we showed that lets work in this format that if this doesn't work with still we'll be going towards the realization of this corridor without one efforts. and it happens for a year. it was working. i'm very grateful to our partners and after about russia, what you saying we can't trust them, they just abandon this initiative. but we were ready to conduct this oh, grain corridor and we didn't bring down our partners. were showed that we are for that just peace. we went for this format of this grain initiative. on our behalf so that you can trust russia but russia couldn't do anything about it. grain went all the way. this is a positive bill

that was a very important result during the war, very much like the summit. when countries will be working. we'll get ready though, a final document, it doesn't mean that russia will accept this document nobody can guarantee whoever will be in charge and russia we don't know. but in any case, we are saying that this document will be produced very much like in a format of grain initiative. this document will be presented by members of the negotiation we don't have a clear format will be presented to the russian side, will be ready for a second summit two guys, certain diplomatic steps towards the just peace and ending the war, gambling we won't many countries to be with us on this. we want to go forward. i don't want that after the elections in different countries in the world. and let's just a year of different

elections. i don't want ms happening from the less democratic countries, or maybe very democratic countries, some alternative initiatives. their own initiative which will not correspond to the correspond to the interests of country in the war. thank you. maybe see woodland abc went from abc news. >> is >> ukraine losing this war the age you get one ever seems enough to keep you in the fight and not to win. it is it time to make a deal with vladimir putin? and how concerned are you about the elections in the united states in november

>> almost no audit is. >> when we talk to a deaf person >> gmos now come way. there's little hope to a person who kills that. his opponents do you have translation? you don't have your good >> but i don't hear i think you are interested in in not only in the question i always take, i will wait okay. you have translation. thank you so much. >> what danielle that's why the question would ditch me deferral >> the format. we will suggest a format's on which he will agree that he lost this war. and that was a mistake. cup hey, we're cycling, which for him was a small mistake for us

it's a huge tragedy unfold. democratic world is accused tragedy. that's why we should achieve justice in this question ukraine will lose this war. am naval have been know that the viral worse date was the 24th. when asked alternative february. so years ago, we don't have alternative not to win, your program. we don't we cannot lose. what does it mean? it wouldn't naturally will lose. we were not exist >> the key thing now >> where we don't accept for now to fight. for our, life, if. ukraine >> lose, if it will be very difficult for else, if there'll be a big amount of victory depends on you, on our partner is all know exactly knows on the western world if will be strong enough with weapons we won't lose this war. we will win this war. that's why all the steps backwards by putin

that we happening, by putin's flip. now you obviously they will influence his society and that's probably one he'll be talking about his interest. hello, security. and if we look at hate messages are putin's message just he's working with facts and numbers. and we're talking about plans for year 2030. that's down. so what he's got to do, he will see himself as a leader of russia up until 2030, but we will finish them dealing with him quite earlier. >> radio. so boada, radio liberty. >> next question that. was ukraine's president, >> volodymyr zelenskyy. and this is gps, the global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria coming to you live from new york i wonder, first, bring in

cnn's chief international security correspondent, nick paton walsh, who is in zaporizhzhia near the frontlines nick, you are hearing what president zelenskyy was saying, a message of defiance commitment to continue the conflict and just pointing out if they if ukraine has the weapons, there will be able to win this war. what does it look like to you? >> way, where you stand? what are people talking about? closer to the frontlines? >> yeah. i mean, important to point out for listening to president zelenskyy there. we got the first initial idea or the germs seeds potentially of some sort of diplomacy potentially, or even a peace plan. now, the details are limited at this stage, but zelenskyy spoke of a potential summit in switzerland in the spring. and i think conceived the idea of a unilateral path towards a peaceful settlement

with russia. one, i think that he seemed to outline ukraine and their partners would propose. and then of course he said, look and maybe that russia entirely rejects that document. and while i think it's important to point out that moscow and kyiv a very far apart in terms of what they conceive their end goals in this to be. i think it's fair to say using the stage on this extraordinary platform, he has on the first day of the third year of the war to propose the possibility of a diplomatic process, even if it is one that's entirely unilateral, that's essentially ukraine saying to moscow, this is a proposal you could take if you wanted to stop this war. i think that is significant moment and it's one i think he's clear to point out if i hurt you tim correctly, during that speech that doesn't mean ukraine stops the fight, doesn't mean necessarily that they're willing to accept a terminology or formula from russia. but we are now potentially looking at a moment where we'll see the battlefield progress not particularly great for ukraine

at the moment, multiple fronts here multiple areas along the front where they're feeling pressure. but then possibly if this swiss summit continues in the spring, i think listening to zelenskyy, it was unclear if they thought russian necessarily would be in attendance or they might be invited or that's something clearly to still be worked out. but it's interesting to hear volodymyr zelenskyy, who has been speaking for awhile about a quite maximalist position. essentially clearing russia out of all of ukraine as it's 91 borders stood. now talking about the possibility of presenting a way out of this conflict. now, early stages lots of details to be hammered out, but that was the first question that he got and to me, i felt that was a departure from what we've heard in the past from ukrainian officials. so interesting that he chooses this moment to put that forward and it comes for read at a time as you alluded to in your question, forgive me for not answer you directly. great trouble for ukraine on the

front lines at $60 billion from the us is utterly urgent, is it since the december hold up, we've we felt morale begin to erode a little on multiple fronts, ukrainians don't simply have the choice to give up and stop the fight because of the goals that russia has set of essentially what they called de-nazifying de-militarizing the country. that means for many ukrainian sara life. frankly, fear, if not actual, potential violence towards them and so it's a dire situation for them in terms of the aid before this speech, we heard multiple ukrainian officials take the stage and outline detailed problems they were facing in terms of components getting through to russia for their weapons, in terms of slowness of delivery, a lot moving here today, but interesting that the first real time we hear from zelenskyy on this day, where many eyes towards him after a long succession of european and western leaders yesterday in kyiv, talking about the continued support for ukraine, that the notion is sort of glimmer here. the possibility that some sort of diplomacy

might happen in the months ahead, even if it seems it's entirely natural and something that russia can either take or leave for it thank you, nick, i think you put it right. it's a glimmer. the peace summit was already planned and ukraine has previously made diplomatic proposals which are essentially that russia leave all of ukraine highly unlikely. russia i'll accept those, those proposals. so i think you put it exactly right. it is a glimmer. probably no more than that. >> thank you. nick paton walsh next on gps. i'm going to tell you how this kind of conflict seems to have become the new normal around the world. and what we can do about it when we come back read zakaria gps brought to you by fisher investments. clearly different money management at fisher investments, we may look like

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a looking at the crisis proliferating around the world. it's clear that we are an, in an age of geopolitical tension that resembles the cold war a time of constant continual threats to international order but this time the west is treating each of these threats as one-offs to be dealt with separately in the hope that soon normalcy will return but conflict is the new normal. look around >> the >> war is going badly for ukraine, which is critically outgunned and outmanned it's much larger adversary. >> it's >> key advantage, access to western arms and money is in peril the us congress seems unwilling to pass legislation to send more arms and money. the european union is stepping in and filling parts of the gap. but europe does not have the military industrial complex to send ukraine the level of armaments it needs to fight russia. ukraine's army has held out heroically against

russia's onslaught. but as a senior european diplomat said to me, recently, ukrainians are brave and bold, but they are not supermen they will not be able to hold on if they don't have weapons and supplies putin is making sure that he can keep the war going, getting arms from north korea and recruiting men from as far as cuba. >> he >> continues to benefit from the fact that many of the world's major economies from china and india to turkey in the gulf states are trading freely with russia. they've, russia's aggression works. it tears up a norm that has largely stood for ad years. no change of borders by force meanwhile, in the middle east, many believed when the gaza war began that it would be short and the prime minister netanyahu's government would fall neither is likely the israel defense forces humiliated by the surprise attack of october 7 are determined to completely eradicate hamas from gaza. that means months more bombing, fighting in bulldozing the

tensions and internal debates that israel's actions will produce in other countries will only rise. bibi netanyahu, who is going nowhere most israelis may dislike him, but they approve of his war policies this week in a pointed rebuke to international calls to pursue a two-state solution including from the us and britain israel's knesset approved a resolution declaring that it was opposed to any unilateral recognition of a palestinian state with 99 out of 120 votes. bibi's coalition remember has only 64 members, so many opposition parliamentarians joined in. one less notice theatre has been in the north. israel has been striking and killing hezbollah militants to the point that by one account, they have killed over 200 of them this campaign will continue and may even accelerate the idf's goal is to weaken hezbollah to the point that the roughly 80,000 israelis who fled their homes in northern israel can return

but at some point, hezbollah might respond forcefully, which could trigger an israeli incursion into lebanon, truly widening the war >> and then we >> have the houthis who have managed to assert themselves through a series of pinprick strikes that according to one consulting firm, have reduced the number of containers in a vessels through the suez canal by about 72% since they began in december american efforts to organize an effective coalition to keep trade flowing through the red sea have failed its efforts to respond to houthi attacks have not stopped the houthis. this failure is a blow to the credibility of the united states, guaranteeing the freedom of the seas. a key component of the open global economy. that's been built over two centuries for us to the british navy and then the american and more threats to maritime underpinnings of that order, or on the horizon russia and china have both been building up the capacity to cut

undersea cables, which are now an integral part of the cloud on which data is stored across the globe the us can't deter a sub-state actor like the houthis from its disruptive behavior in the red sea. what chance does that have against powers like china and russia? there are ways to address all these problems, but it requires a paradigm shift in the western world. we are now in a high security age that means governments have to spend significantly more on defense and spend more efficiently the us took on the role as guarantor of the freedom of the seas and 1945 and has been master of the seas ever since. in the 1980s, it had almost 600 ships but today it has fewer than 300. europe has lost its military industrial complex, which allowed it to produce munitions on a near constant basis. in these new dangerous times congressional republicans have decided to return to

isolationism, hoping that they can bury their heads in the sand and the problems will somehow go away it should be noted that contrary to popular belief, ostriches do not bury their heads in the sand to escape threats in fact, it would lead to their asphyxiation maybe the birds understand something congressional republicans don't go to cnn.com slash opinions for link to my column this week next on gps, it has been two years since the russian invasion of ukraine and two weeks since donald trump threatened to leave european nations exposed to russia's aggression. i talk to radek sikorski foreign minister of poland. ukraine's neighbor to the northwest, and a frontline state that muscle go has invaded many times

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>> two years ago this weekend, russia stunned the world by invading ukraine with a plan to seize the country. and a matter of days, ukraine can be proud of its response as david to russia's goliath, it's stop the invaders from taking kyiv in the early days and has kept about 80% of its territory but today, as i mentioned, the tide appears to be in moscow's favor as it's heavily armed, troops make gains on the battlefield. and us aid for kyiv dries up one country that has stayed fiercely loyal to ukraine is neighboring poland a country that sits on nato eastern flank, hard up against russian territory, joining me to discuss the war's future is the polish foreign minister radek sikorski. >> welcome rather, hello >> i have to >> ask you that the question on all of our minds, what did you as somebody who is a senior

european diplomat, what did you make of that comment that trump made? i would tell putin, do whatever you have to let you get to those nato countries that are not paying what he defines as their fair share >> well, we hope this is just a former president trump's flamboyant style that what he meant was that he really, really wants us to spend at least 2% of gdp on defense and on substances, right? poland has been spending 2% for 15 years. we've now gone on to obligatory 3% of gdp. in fact, we'll be spending close to 4% of gdp. and i'll tell you more if needs be, if putin really threatens us we will double this because we will not be a russian colony again. >> but when you hear that, does it say to you you know, radek that america's promise to defend europe. it's a psychological its goodness,

trying to figure out when he makes his moves, how like lee is at the americans are going to come and sacrifice that their soldiers for some european capital or some small european stuck country like estonia, latvia, lithuania has what trump said already changed the dynamic in the sense of putting doubt in the minds of europeans that america will come to its aid and emboldening the russians to think, yeah, maybe the americans won't. >> you? all right, that the real strength of nature is not the parchments, it's not the seals is not the signatures. it's not even the laws it is the uncertainty in the minds of our adversaries. abij, what will happen if they attack, or rather the likelihood that the united states will come to the assistance of its allies. and this is what president biden calls the sacred pledge and

what we have said to these comments is that an alliance is not a contract with a neighborhood security company you pay and therefore, you protect me the article five of the washington treated, which established nato has only been invoked once so far after 911 in defense of the united states and after the appeal from the united states, we sent troops to afghanistan, poland, center brigades to ghazni, a tough province. before that, we sent a brigade to iraq where we were responsible for protecting 5 million the rockies when that mission was accomplished, we did not send an invoice to washington alliance's help the united states, not just the allies do you feel as though americans are losing, losing an understanding of that reality that the

>> world, the united states had built is a win-win. it's not just a europe benefits, but the united states benefits as well. >> yes, it does. so since the russian invasion of ukraine, europe has ordered 90 >> billion worth of american military equipment poland, through on a longer timescale, has ordered 50 billion. we are buying a patches, we are buying high masses, we are buying abram tax we are buying f 35s. we are buying this because your equipment is good but also because we want to be in good graces with our important, most important ally if america's credibility were shaken, if countries, not just in europe also in the far-east started think that perhaps the us president can't deliver even when he wants to help your ally. much of that would be lost tell me about ukraine. you

know it well, you were before you were foreign minister, you've been privately as a private citizen, you actually helped the ukrainian army sending supplies in there what does it look to you like on the battlefield? >> the ukrainians have fought like lions these victories in bakhmut, in avdiivka have come at huge cost in material and men for russia the ukrainians are now in the defense mode and they are outgunned. i was in kyiv in december and i talked to my ukrainian counterparts all the time around avdiivka. they were outgunned in artillery 8-to-1. so they're doing close quarter combat, which is why people are dying in greater numbers that they should be because of the shortage of arms and the shortage of arms is because the supplemental hasn't yet passed

what would you say that mike johnson, if you had a chance to dr. >> i would say as a former speaker to a current speaker, i would say mr. speaker, it is the fate of ukraine. it is the tortured people of ukraine that big you. but it is also the the credibility of your country that is at stake the president of the united states in war time went to kyiv on his historic visit, planted the standard of the united states in downtown kyiv, saying, you are an ally, we will do whatever it takes. and for however long it takes to help you the word of the united states has been spoken. it needs to be followed up with action, with deliveries stay with us when we come back polish democracy for most of the last decade, poland was a poster child for the backslide

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with me to discuss the country's new direction and the challenges ahead is radek sikorski, who serves as foreign minister. so radek, tell us a little bit of what it was like to come back to power after this populist government had been in power, what had changed >> there was a vote, a general election in which 75% of the nation unprecedent turnout voted to end populist rule and to have a pro european pro democracy the government, which is to say that in historical perspective, the vote that took place to vote communism out for 64%, 64% turnout of were more worried about the drift of the country in the last few years, then even on communism, and there were reasons for it you didn't mention the security services were used to target the opposition the pegasus anti-terrorist software was used against journalists,

against opposition figures. the head of our election campaign was targeted. there were there was also widespread corruption. so this needs to be addressed we need to bring back the norms which is to say competitive examinations in the civil service. fair professional, public media that tell the truth or not, the arm of one party propaganda. >> judges that >> are free to adjudicate fairly rather than being told to go after the enemies of the ruling party and so on. >> is this, how difficult is this? because as i understand, competitive examinations in polish bureaucracies were eliminated. this was one of the first things they did so in my own ministry. the foreign ministry, i have a number of unqualified people who would not have been allowed to join the diplomatic service because they don't speak the languages. for example and some of these people, when we say, well, look, you don't meet the

criteria, will then say that this is persecution, but, but no, we just need we've had a period of a rebellion against meritocracy. we are bringing meritocracy back >> what do you think is the key to understanding how to combat this guy, these kind of, this kind of anti-democratic movements that say what's more important is that you're faithful to us than you are faithful to the norms do you need to i mean, i look at january 6 and wonder, should there have been kind of big >> congressional investigations are kind of truth and justice, like in the investigations right after are you doing things like that? >> well, i won't interfere in the internal affairs of of a friendly allied country. but i will say this. >> you need >> to give a lesson to a whole generation of politicians that breaking the constitution, breaking the law is not without

consequences constitutions are only as good as the integrity of the people in key positions too. hold the rules and when they don't uphold the rules, they need to see that it is detrimental to their careers and worse constitution's done, defend themselves. so yes, you have to you have to renew your vows with democracy. >> i knew you when you're anti-communist agitator in your '20s. and now here you are. second time foreign minister of poland and really one of the anchors of democracy in europe. it's been, it's been quite a transformation of this country. >> well, look, i lend my anti-communism because in living in it on the communist state and provincial town in poland, i was able to listen to voice of america and to learn the truth about what was going on in my own country. and we

struggled for democracy against communism and we're still upholding democracy because we want poland to be n normal, regular western country with all the benefits of free enterprise, of freedom to worship. but we live in, in, in an age in which some of our compatriots have lost faith in these ideals it's the ukrainians who should be inspiring us because they're fighting for the right to a be a nation and b, to be a pro western democratic nation that the as far as the prosperity, if they are willing to die for those values, we should value them to >> and all you're saying is you still want to hear the voice of america that's right, radek sikorski. thank you. >> next on gps, el salvador was once the most dangerous place in the world. >> today. it

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country on just how you get the compensation, you deserve, 800 to eight to 44, 44 until recently, el salvador was the most dangerous country on the planet. a place overrun by gangs today, it boasts of having a lower murder rate than the united states. this dramatic transformation is the work of nayib bukele, the current president who calls himself the coolest dictator in the world. bukele was elected in 2019 and enacted a harsh crackdown on gang violence, arresting more than 70,000 people and prosecuting them in mass trials this approach has proven extremely effective but added a grave costs to civil liberties. earlier this month, bukele was reelected in a landslide and other countries have looked to emulate his model here to discuss is brian winter, editor-in-chief of americas quarterly brian, in a

nutshell, what explains bukele has enormous popularity. >> he has fareed as you noted, overseen a dramatic not only decline in homicides in el salvador down more than 80% in the last couple of years, but also declines in extortion robberies and other crimes. salvadorans feel like they can go out on the street again. they had lost the ability to do that in recent years. he's also tremendously effective on social media. he speaks well. he has leaned into that title that you noted semi a ironically, of the world's coolest dictator. but it has all come at considerable cost >> tell us a little bit more about him because he is a very colorful, charismatic character >> he's 42 years old. he's a millennial he sometimes appears in public with a backwards baseball cap very colorful figure speaks, well. i mean, he, if you listen to him in

interviews, he's articulate he kinda turns things around and says well, i'm people say that i'm not being democratic, but what was democratic about the lives that salvadorans we're living through before when essentially their civil liberties of the majority's were restricted, not being able to go outside, not being able to live their lives in peace, not being able to open businesses without paying off the gangs and so on. so he is quite cleverly played on the many problems that this country had in the past. remember? bring the only ten years ago, this was a country that had a homicide rate of over 100 per 100,000 people. and if you know those figures, those are terrible numbers. it was one of the world's most violent countries in >> a sense, sooner he represents it seems to me this sense in certain places that democracy hasn't delivered, that it hasn't delivered here's what people and in this case, in the most stark sense, which is the simple act of the government keeping you safe is

it possible that other central american countries and latin american countries will look at this as a kind of example to be followed. >> many of them already are in other countries around latin america, such as ecuador for nayib bukele routinely shows up as being more popular, having a higher approval rating than any national politician. there have been other politicians and other places that have said that they want to follow his example in argentina where javier milei recently took office, his security minister he recently met with the security the justice minister of el salvador extensively to learn things that might work in argentina which is also faced a security challenge in relative terms in recent years. but for all of this has made us ask questions about difficult questions, sometimes about the nature of democracy because on the one hand, those of us who consider ourselves advocates for democracy and human rights

can stand on the outside very upset by these mass arrests, which at times seem arbitrary. this of due process, the state of exception that his existed now and el salvador, for more than a year. but the fact is the overwhelming support for what bukele is doing within el salvador. it cannot be ignored. this was someone who was just reelected. again with a huge majority of the vote, telling me how this plays into the immigration debate in the united states what is, what does it mean and what does he talk about that? >> what has happened over the last year-and-a-half or so with the security crackdown that bukele has done, is that the rate at which migrants are leaving all salvador has fallen by about a third. and in recent months, we've seen it has to be

said, a change. it seems from the biden administration in terms of how they handle bukele they recently as a year ago, were quite publicly calling on him to respect the constitution, to respect human rights but starting in late 2023, they seem to adopt a different posture, recognizing perhaps that immigration is the number one and challenged that they face now, in polls, as president biden attempts to get reelected and the atmospherics around that relationship have now become more positive. a state department official was in was in san salvador in october, shaking hands publicly with bukele. we hadn't really seen that before, and the rhetoric in public has changed. i'm told that in private us officials are still pressing those concerns with bukele, but there seems to have been a decision to work with this guy, in part because they need him on immigration and also in part because it doesn't seem like he's going anywhere brian

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