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>> this is >> cnn news it's monday, february 20, right now on cnn this morning, donald trump with all the momentum heading into michigan, while nikki haley gets dropped by one of her top donors fertility clinics halting ivf treatments after alabama's supreme court declared frozen embryos are people republicans now dealing with the fallout? >> why don't, you tell people the truth for a change >> cnn this morning comes to washington, senator joe manchin joins us live in studio for our inaugural voyage all right, a live look at our nation's capital at 06:00 a.m. here on the east coast.

>> good morning, everyone. i'm kasie hunt. it's great to be with you this morning over the weekend, former president donald trump won more than 60% of the vote in south carolina, beating nikki haley in her home state still, that means nearly 40% of republicans in that conservative southern state did not vote for trump. haley made clear this weekend that she won't drop out of the race when so many voters on let's be honest there on both sides of the aisle they're not happy with their choices for president haley herself, even sounding at times like a third party candidates >> i'm not giving up this fight when a majority of americans disapprove of both donald trump and joe biden. we can't afford four more years of biden's failures or trump's lack of focus >> all right, joining me now is another politician who is worried about polarization and

partisanship in our country so much so that he considered pursuing his own third-party presidential run. senator joe manchin, democratic west virginia senator. thanks so much for being here. it's always good it'd be with you and inaugural kickoff. again we make this a ritual here. >> we have done this before. i'm happy. >> i'm so proud of you. >> thank you. thank you very much for coming in. you are heading to michigan right after we have this conversation. and you had been on this listening tour as you were deciding what to do about your own weather now, you are going to run. you said you're not going to, but it's not something you're still on a little bit of a listening tour. >> in tours really finding out where the majority of americans are. and that's in the middle, 55 times 60% of americans consider themselves center, left, center, right. the call to centuries part of america. they feel like they're homeless and helpless it on which way to go there, pushed either left farm left the far right. they don't want to go there. so some are going to set out, some are going to take the plunge and basically not be real happy about it, but they'll do it. so we're just talking to them to find out how do we bring the candidates back? how do we

bring the parties back to represent all of american, not just extremes. >> do you think president biden is too extreme? >> i think he went too far left and i've told him that and i've been very pretty clear. it's not the joe biden basically ran in 2020 and told us on how to bring it back. he does. it gives a very centrist senator when he was there center-left, but he was centrist and it looks like they just grabbed me in that part of the extreme party but grabbed him pulling left and he's been over there. it would like to bring him back. >> what does it need to do to get your endorsement? >> well, thanks. we'll just see what happens at the end here and we're going to get to the end pretty quick. super tuesday is going to show you what you have. how are you able to bring them back to their to where we have mean you look at the problems that we're facing right now, the border, right. okay. too long and we need to get the border fixed. and i've said this if they can't come together in washington, if politics is stopping yes, from doing the right thing and securing our border, then he has to do a national emergency. it's a crisis and you want them to declare a national. i think he asked to. i mean, i really truly believe that if they're going to play games, the purity test is not going to

work and the purity test is in the house. they've always believed if you have to earn 18 of one or the other. so turn 18 republicans, you had to have 218 votes by republicans own it or by democrats only whoever was in the majority to get anything passed. those days are gone. you have to build coalitions and that's why i used to work. it used to work as coalitions. and i would like to see that again, and i think that hopefully will move in that direction if it's biden versus trump in november how are you going to vote for? >> well, at that time there you're going. i know i can't vote for and i've said that very, very can't vote for trump. i said i love my country. so does that mean you will vote for biden? well, i would do everything i can to make sure they come back. i think that basically they need to know where we're going to win from if he's going to win, he's got to win by attracting more of the center that's center, left, center right. people that feel homeless, that's who we're talking to. they want that person, they want are represented. they want their president to come back and represent all of america. and that's where you make your decisions. most people were in her life from the center. they don't run your life from extremes. businesses don't

succeed from the extremes. nothing seems to work except for politics and in politics only in washington governor, national governors association, you can't tell democrat from republican, they had the same problems trying to help each other. i thought when i came to washington, this is the big leagues. maybe they will show me how to do it even better. well, look like i was going into little leaks because it basically pick your side, fight for your side, don't worry about compromise this country works on cooperation that works on compromise. >> so you're leaving the senate right? and there are fewer and fewer, let's be real leaders in the senate. certainly you mentioned the house of representatives, who occupy that space in the center >> is there any way >> he would run for senate as somebody something other than a democrat. >> tensions are running. i was very clear and what i've said and i've been here, i've come to conclusion. i think there should be term limits. a really should be term limits for our country. >> but you're never going to run, you're not going to resonate dependent. you're not gonna run no intention >> whatsoever of doing that.

and i said this, the reason is i've done everything i could and i've been here 14 years. i'm not going to i'm not seeing the changes that need to be made here. we had some very, very productive years and we've done things when it was 50 50. you know why i want to blame the other side. everybody had to work together. if you want to get something done and we hadn't started with five days and five r's are moderate group when we started doing when things got some great, a lot of gangs. one, not so many gangs, 117, we had 117th congress will go down as one of the most productive. the 118th, which we're in right now, will go down as the least productive congress in the history of the united states of america. that's a sad scenario. >> let me bring you back to michigan for a second because president biden is under pressure from congresswoman rashida tlaib two four. she's asked voters, democrats in michigan to vote to say uncommitted, right? in the primary, there what do you think michigan voters should do >> more to ask any asking? any group of people that we have a

crisis going on around the world, the worlds and upheaval, right now. and they're asking we believe that we should or they've she believes that we should be putting pressure on israel, israel, israel for the ceasefire ok. and i believe the presence been very clear. and what i've seen, how he's handled. this has been very good from saying that will do everything we can feed monetary and pauses. but there has to be willingness on both sides to come together and want to sit down. so to have a cease fire when the other side is only going to reload, have no intentions if they want a ceasefire, then release all the hostile stages. if hamas releases the hostages, then they have a reason to ask for a ceasefire and sit down and tried to negotiate, but not until then. and i don't think in reality that's going to happen. so asking for people not to vote and put pressure on an unreasonable request isn't not in the cards right now. >> the other political story in michigan, of course, is the senate race. mike rogers,

republican in that race, melissa slotkin expected, as the democrat likely democratic nominee. what do you think would be the best outcome for the country? >> i think she had quality candidates right here in michigan has has a quality slate but it that way. and i know on both or both friends of mine, i wish him well, these are you going to support the democrats are these are two good people were going to see what, what elevates and what comes out of this and support the best person are you considering supporting the report line? i am no problem supporting republicans anywhere in this country that are put their country before their party. that basically i am not no problem with democrats either. i'm more the center here. >> you're not saying you're going to back the democrat for sure. and the michigan senate race on any braces, forget not, not just michigan. anyway, we're looking at basically have people representing the central part the center, right, center left, that part of the country that makes all the decisions, how you run your life. there they're not being represented. you sit, we don't have many games more. the gangs we had before where people who are like-minded, we didn't worry about, are you democrat or republican? we have a

problem. we have infrastructure problems. we had chips problems. we had basically supply chain problems. now, we have a tremendous problem i think with the debt of the nation. no one's taking that seriously at all. i mean i've been working very diligently on fiscal accountability act trying to get our finances back in order in america to make sure that we can pay our bills and be strong. >> so all of this said, i mean, the presidential race is still ongoing. nikki haley is still in the republican race. you have said you're not ready to say that you are going to doris or vote for joe biden. do you think nikki haley would be a better president than joe biden? >> well, i'm not going to say who would be a better president. i know that that nikki haley is in the fight and i think she's done a tremendous job so far and she's holding your ground and she's speaking truth to power and not afraid to go head-to-head with donald trump. and we'll just see what ends up. so she, in a better place for you considering your statements about being in the center, is shannon better place than joe biden is ideologically? >> well, she's in a better place looking at what we have right now and where everyone's been pushed to. she's trying

to find that middle to where if the middle has some strength and power to where it can be supportive, a lot of people in america believed that we want to see our leader to be center centrist, if you will, they can take a center left or center right. they can't take an extreme if extremes being pushed on them. now looking somewhere else, we have to see what you really run as a third-party candidate. i think she's going to be a very strong, she's attractive for third-party. put it that way very attractive from that standpoint. i don't know where she's going to go. i really don't i don't know nikki that well, i've met her time or two, but i just don't know her well enough to say and try to speak for her, but i think she feels comfortable where she's add. i think she's very comfortable when she speaks. i'll watch and listen. it doesn't change and that's the beauty about it. a person that believes in their heart what they're doing is the right thing to be done for our country. you don't have to worry about just, just say what's on your mind and don't change your story because of what if your audience might be different. you're trying to play, play to them. politician so many times tried to morph into what the audience wants rather than who they are. i think she's done a good job of

finding out who she is and where she's at. the country right now is you've got to find its footing here. we've got to be part of the war world order. and i think the country in the world depends on us tremendously for leadership. and that's what we're looking for. and you can't have a divided congress and fighting it among itself and not coming together in a crisis. ukraine's a crisis. i support ukraine. i hope all i know and i hope all congress friends and that brian fitzpatrick and jared golden, what they're doing i think is tremendous. i support their effort. look forward to working with him. >> all right. senator joe manchin, west virginia, senator, grateful to have you. thank you for getting early you're very sweet. thank you very much. all right, up next here, federal officials revealed new information about the suspect fact accused of killing a nursing student in georgia plus texas governor greg abbott weighs in on alabama's ivf ruling and desperately needed funding for ukraine. how president biden aims to try and get that up next? >> united states of scandal with jake tapper. sunday at

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steps back, but any anyway, you we will add this steps back. >> small one. but when >> you stems >> back, you lose people. we will lose people all, right, joining us now is cnn's nick paton walsh, who is live for us in ukraine. nic, good morning to you. president zelenskyy also says that millions could die without us aid. what is ukraine's plan if this doesn't come through? >> yeah, i mean, look, in short, they have to have one, but whatever plan they have is catastrophically not as good as plan a, which is if that $60 is finally approved by republican led congress essentially ukraine is going to have to dig deep, use more drones, potentially cheap types of attack drone that they can replace artillery strikes with they're going to have to rely more on european partners who simply don't have the kind of financial and military resources that the united

states does. and there may also, at some point have to be more strategic teaching about which fights they pick along the front line without that usa, the picture here for ukraine is exceptionally bleak. we've have heard a lot of rhetoric from european leaders about how they will be able to continue pushing in ammunition funding. but it is more words than that. they're actually able to match with sheer military material. and so volodymyr zelenskyy in his speech yesterday, his press conference really trying to straddle a line where it makes it clear how bitterly bleak the situation is for ukraine on the frontline without us military assistance. but also suggested of course, those troops in the front lines and also civilians across the country to not dent their morale by saying without that us military assistance, they could still potentially have a chance. he also gave us for the first time, i think the official with number of ukrainian military deaths since the start of this full-scale invasion of 31,000. that is

less than some western military analysis has suggested. and it's also about a fifth or sixth of what he said russia has had inflicted upon it during this war as well and so we also heard two in that press conference, the tiniest glimmer of the possibility of diplomacy. it's a unilateral plan that ukraine, its allies, would put forward essentially telling russia, here's a plan for peace if you wanted, russia is likely to refuse it, but i found an interesting that he used that platform to talk about negotiations, not something we've heard off for a while, but really quite troubling plea from ukraine. they need that us money yeah, interesting indeed that he was going to talk about it. nick paton walsh for us, nic. thank you very much. >> and this >> just in eighth to alexey navalny's say, he was supposed to be part of a prisoner exchange before his death on february 16, one, navalny's closest advisers said on social media, quote, in early february, putin was offered too extreme range. vadim krasikov, a killer, and an fsb officer who is serving a sentence for murder in berlin for two

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families in texas who are using ivf have extra embryo embryos that are frozen, do not need to worry well so you raise fat questions that are complex and i simply don't know the answer to let me give you a couple of >> examples and that is i have no idea mathematically, the number of frozen embryos is, is it 1101001000 things like that matter. these are very complex issues where i'm not sure sure everybody is really thought about what all the potential problems are. and as a result, no one really knows what the potential answers are okay. >> let's bring in cnn anchor and chief political correspondent, dana bash. dana. good morning. so much relation. women in this morning. thank you, harold, to we're thrilled to have you. and i watched this interview with great interest yesterday. he seemed a little surprised by a question that i feel like was a question that

was clearly on the minds of so many voters that was going to be asked, what did you hear in that answer from governor abbott? because while yes, there are certainly complexities to how we talk about this issue. be able to say in a straightforward way, ivf should be available. clearly what republican leaders think they need to be saying to win elections. what were your takeaways from what he said? >> it's what they need to be saying to win elections nationally maybe not so much in texas and in what are the reasons why i wanted to talk to governor abbott of bad it not isn't just because it is a national discussion, but because of the texas abortion laws and they're very strict, and that has become a national issue. we've seen a couple of very high-profile, more than a couple of very high-profile challenges to the abortion laws in texas. and so the likely expected question out of that, given the discussion about ivf is, well, what about the embryos and what do you consider the embryos >> and

>> i think that there is some grace for people who are thinking about these frozen embryos and trying to figure out what to do a better menu. and i have talked about this. we've been hearing about it on the air. >> but when it comes to policy, right >> it is, i guess a little bit surprising that he didn't come in and that there isn't more gushing beforehand about what to do, but it does it does show how incredibly complicated this is, not just casey as a policy issue, as a human issue, as a family issue, but as a political issue. >> yeah. i mean, you can almost see him i think the thing for i don't think i've ever said this in public, but i had a personal experience with ivf. i have frozen embryos and when he starts to talk about numbers like, oh, it matters if there are thousands for every family, for every mother and father for whom there in that situation the number, the ones that they

have. i mean, sure. every we know better than anyone that have frozen embryo is not a baby, but also it represents, i mean, there's real grief when you lose them >> what do you think >> elected leaders need to do in terms of thinking about how they talk about this issue in that human way that you say first of, all, yes, i it's it's amazing that you talk about it because a lot of people i willing to until now yeah. and i also went through ivf. i wasn't one of the lucky ones. after years that actually had an extra embryo and i do think about what i did. i mean, i had one that survived and that's my son. and what if i did and it is it is really, really hard and it's complicated i was reading and i'm gonna i'm embarrassed because i can't remember the name of the author of this essay in the washington post. but the way that she framed it was that an embryo is hope. yes. is embryo is the hope of a child held? and it is not an

actual child yet. and i think that that was really smart and particularly for parents, never mind the policy they in the politics, but just for parents, the way they look at it. but this the one thing that abbott said, casey was that we haven't really thought about it. it's new >> obviously ivf is not new. it's been around for decades and decades and decades like almost half a century. what is new is that it wasn't an issue before roe was overturned. and it wasn't something that they could think about or that they had to think about before roe was overturned. and i've seen some people say, well, you know roe and ibf, they're not related, they absolutely are related for this issue because alabama wouldn't have been able to do what they did. i don't believe without a going to the supreme court, without roe being overturned right? >> exactly. all right. dana is going to stay with us and we are also joined now by this wonderful panel audie cornish just seeing an anchor and host of the assignment payment with audie cornish. we've republican

strategist, former communications adviser for senator tim scott's presidential campaign. matt gorman, and cnn political commentator, former white house senior policy adviser, ashley allison. thank you all for being with us this morning. audie, let me just bring you into this conversation. >> there's not that you asked that question by the way of him. i would just like where are you going with? right? >> every state is going to have to deal with this question now where they're going, we think probably is fetal personhood, which is fundamentally this concept that you can be held liable for crimes committed against a child, and that definition is changing as we're seeing in real time, the minute that republicans caught the car far with the dog, the dog caught the car. you are going to have to get into the world of enforcement. and enforcement is where the people are really seeing what it means to live in a world in which these laws have changed women have seen it in this first year. now, ivf clinics, et cetera that doctors

who administer that ivf is really covered by insurance the way many people would like. a lot of the people who get it do have the means to get it, which means you're antagonizing a world of voters who are many women any wealthy, many vote. and it's going to be a very different dynamic for i think a party that's actively trying to maintain or grab control of like a suburban woman voter. >> yeah. well, i mean, that's what the republicans struggling and i think we should underscore, right? the reason these clinics are shutting down ivf in the wake of this ruling is because they are afraid of two things. one being criminally prosecuted, right to your point, and two facing massive punitive financial damages, which i would argue it's there should be circumstances where people can hold these clinics accountable for doing something like in this case, the couple a couple of embryos were destroyed. yeah. but of course when the answer is well, it's wrongful death. that's a much different situation than just providing damages. matt, let me bring you into this conversation. the

nrsc, the national republican senatorial committee is trying to advise republicans on how to talk about this. and they've got a couple of bullet points that i think we can put up on the screen there. one, they say that candidates should express support for ivf t2. they should oppose restrictions on ivf. and three, they should campaign on increasing access to ivf. and again, this all only exists because roe versus wade was overturned. >> what did you make? what's your assessment of how abbott answer that question? what do you think republicans need to be doing? a couple of things, things on that number when i saw that memo sitting at about a party committee that i recognize how big of a deal issuing that memo is and doing it openly, we would do those on occasion, not very often and they would often be not released to the press when we wouldn't want that out there. but i think doing it publicly quickly and very simply, it wasn't a lot of complexity contrast with the abbott answer in exactly what was in that memo. i think that's talked about how much republicans as a party are spooked when it comes to having to talk about the

complexities of this. and i think when, when you talk with the abbott clip, the short answer is the right answer and it's the easiest stance. the more you try to get an ins and outs and you were just talking yourself into a wall here and you're not i helping yourself. and so i think that's why contrast the abbott answer with what the nrsc did. it's night and day. yeah. >> ashley, how do you weigh in on this? i mean, this obviously a big part, it's one portion of this massive debate about abortion that democrats are going to be focusing on for the next nine months. >> yeah. i mean, when roe fell, end even before roe fell, we were nervous when ruth bader ginsburg passed away, that that was real. the reality that that seat was going to go to a conservative justice and most likely the fall of roe would come was a precursor that happened a year-and-a-half before it actually happened. and then when roe fell, reproductive justice and reproductive freedom, rights it's advocates said that this is just the beginning. it will be a slippery, slippery slope to go into all forms of fertility and reproductive freedom men. so now we see to

dana's point, they caught the car. so go ahead and write in it and go to the destination that you want and let voters be very clear on what your destination is. >> because >> you can put a memo wow, but how will you actually govern it's one thing to say something to get elected, but is that how you actually fill about the issue? and when you or if you get elected and you get the house and you get the senate and you get the white house. what, where does ivf stan then again, it is forgetting a case. he is a it is a state issue. now, that's what row and that's why the governor abbott's of the world and all other governors are having to answer this question because they are the people who aren't just going to say what's on the nrsc memo or the rga memo, but actually make it the law of the land for the people in their states. yeah, for sure >> so speaking of abortion the top messengers for democrats on this is governor gretchen whitmer. and you also talked to her yesterday on state of the union. i actually want to pull

in a different topic here because we're a day out from the michigan primary the republican side, donald trump's on a glide path there. it's also kind of a mess internally in michigan, i want to set that aside for a second because what's going on with democrats is really interesting there, because rashida tlaib palestinian american, has come out and said that people should vote uncommitted in the primary. and you asked governor whitmer over the weekend about that. let's watch that i'm not sure what we're gonna scan tuesday to tell you the truth. i know that we've got this primary and we will see differences of opinion. i just want to make the case though, that it's important not to lose sight of the fact that any vote that's not cast for joe biden supports a second trump term >> what did you make of that answer? i mean, it's a big test de for her to it is to is honest they don't know. they don't know how big the

uncommitted vote will be, which means they don't know how big the protest vote against the incumbent democratic president by members of his own party will be and they're nervous about it. she said that on camera on the record, i've heard even more concerns privately from democrats that's in michigan. and of course, it is a short-term thing. they're trying to get president biden's attention, but it is a long-term thing because he needs to win reelection in michigan to win the white house back. >> it's hard to tell if it's going to be a short-term thing. i think one thing i want to acknowledge is that rashidi to leave actually had pretty outstanding fundraising numbers the last quarter actually could probably talk about that as well. so even though everyone thought, oh, everyone in the squad is going to be punished because of their position on israel and a ceasefire. they actually do have support from some voters, and those are the same voters who are going to say look to the middle east, look i actually think what's going on in the middle east is

so dire right there using the term genocide, joe, that this election doesn't matter to me because i feel i have a higher value at work. that is something democrats have not figured out how to address right? because that's not a political thing. that's really kind of a fundamental values thing. and they have to find that language to talk to those voters. and i hear someone who says, don't know, don't have it. let's see ashley, you were invoked >> so i think that the most important thing of voter can do is vote how they believe in the boat, their values. and i think people get to do that in on tuesday. i actually don't know what is going to happen. i remember talking to voters in dearborn in 2020 around the election, around tough issues and folks wanting to have a commitment that this community would not be left behind in this biden administration that's the personal component of just looking at it and being able to go into a building, vote and vote where your, where your heart is and how you feel like your communities to be impacted on the political side

if you're running a campaign, it is really hard to get a voter to do one thing in february and then change their thinking. and nine months to do something in november. and so it is a risk. i know they are saying this is a primary approach, but changing low voter voters behavior from i'm not worth this guy at all to i'm going to vote with them is really, really hard and that is why democrats are nervous about what happened on tuesday, but there's still voting and democratic primary. it's not like there's, there's there personally sitting home. i think it's one thing to pound your fist in late february when it's trump and biden in late october, early november, and it's clear choice. i even i have a hard time saying these guys are going to stay home personally >> and also the context matters, right? we don't know what will be going on in gaza at that time. i think that is a huge question mark that would affect this question, right? >> which is why of course we've seen this reporting that biden has been basically telling that netanyahu i don't have i don't have the stomach for a year of this war. >> all right. >> dana bash, thank you so much. i really appreciate you being here. it's great to be.

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>> all right. in the 36 hours since snl ran that cold open, another republican senator who has previously said that trump is a loser for the party, has fallen in line. senator john thune of south dakota, who supported senator for tim scott in the race for president, endorsed trump yesterday. our panel is back and we're joined now by one and only david axelrod who has graciously agreed to let us ask acts, anything within reason? of course, there's last trick their acts. thank you so much for being here. >> hey, you're the only person i get up this early with you. >> it means the world we're thrilled to have you >> let me just >> start with this foun endorsement because of the things that foun has been saying about what trump would mean for the party. he has been saying that with trump, republicans lose elections. he previously said his message is going to have to appeal well, two independent voters and moderate republicans. what do

you see in foods decision here, i think i should also add he does potentially want to be the next republican leader in the senate. >> yeah. >> right. he is the third of the three leading candidates for that role to fall to trump listen, he is just repeating the nikki haley message and we can see how successful that has been you know, it only goes so far so i think foun is just bowing to the to the inevitable. he knows trump's going to be the nominee. he knows if he wants to be the leader in the senate that is going to have to code exist with trump and the trump supporters in the senate. unless trump falls away after this next election. so i'm sure he didn't do with great enthusiasm, but he had to do it and he did it, which tells you where we are in this election. >> yeah, it sure does. >> all right. ac so i want to turn to our panel. has submitted their asked acts, anything queries, and we'll

stick with the republican party at the outset here. matt gorman wants to know if you're advising nikki haley right now. what are you telling her? >> i'm telling her boss we got a week left in this this campaign. we've gone over five, we've, we've fought valiantly were the last person standing we've been we've gone over five and we could go 15 over 15 next week, donald trump will be the nominee of the republican party by the middle of march. and you have to figure out what, how you want to spend this last week. and a lot out of it has to do with what your future objectives are. do you want to be the candidate in 2028? if so do you want to lean in or lean back a little here and try and mollify these trump forces. maybe the best strategy is just to continue with the cassandra strategy and say he's not going to win and we need a winning candidate. but do it in a more muted way. or

if that's not your objective, maybe you do on a lean in and instead of just telling trump, telling people why trump can't win, you tell him why he shouldn't win, which is something that that she has avoided thus far so we'll see what which way she goes. >> so matt, what do you think she wants in your party >> i think that's a good question. i mean, i think it's a little bit intoxicating, right? to start, it's a very human thing to suddenly stop this knee that's consumed you for the better part of what, two years. i think it's very hard to suddenly put that car that was injured brian suddenly shifted into park. i am unsure as well, but you're right. that helping herself the longer she does now. yeah. >> all right. acts. let's turn to your party because obviously joe biden has challenges and audie cornish wants to know the diploma divide, or the gender gap, which of those trends is the bigger? your problem for democrats? >> so here i'm going to display the professional skills that i learned over a lifetime in politics and choose both.

because i think both are key to this election education is the greatest predictor in these days of a person's vote. and demo aggressive done better and better with voters with a college degree. but they can't surrender voters who don't have a college degree. joe biden did five points better than hillary clinton among white non-college voters. and that was the margin of difference. in this last election by the same token he democrats have been winning particularly since the roe verdict on the strength of the women's vote and this ivf thing is going to just a turbo charge that i think it's going to continue to be an election. and they need this gem gender gaps. so i expect he's going to have an economic lane that speaks to those non-college voters, both white and non-white. and he's going to push hard on the on the issue

of abortion rights. >> well, audie, you and i were talking about this over the weekend to what is your sense? typically when the point acts were made on voters of color, of what the issue is for democrats here. and we were talking a lot about what trump said about black voters. his appeal to black men, et cetera. yeah, i mean, it's one of those things where when you put it in a venn diagram, there is a sliver and you can say those are men of color with no college degrees where you can have both parties saying, look, maybe maybe we have a chance here or oh, my goodness, we have to do more work here. and that's something we focus on a lot in the media. and sometimes i just want to broaden it out to say actually there's a broader trend line going on, especially with young men. and over time especially think democrats. david can jump in are going to have to keep an eye on if they are losing ground with male voters. and i'm very fundamental issues >> yeah. no, i agree with that and i think this issue i don't

dismiss this issue. ashley and i think we're in a discussion on this the other day. i don't dismiss the issue two of young black men. and i think that's something that the biden campaign and democrats need to keep an eye on because i don't think it's just a statistical blip this has been a trend line. and that's why i think there is a there there is a an economic track that has to be pursued here as well >> all right, our last, last but certainly not least, ashley wants to know, what do you think the best way is for joe biden than the candidate, the president to communicate with voters himself so ashley, i need you to clarify. are you talking message-wise or method wise >> method? >> method with a d? so look, i think that joe i did a podcast that's up right now with bill bradley and he told a great

story about joe biden confronting one of the russian leader's back in the early the '80s and slamming his hand down on the table and saying, come on, lexi, i don't know what i can say on the show, but it's the come on, alexey, don't shoot. don't shoot a show. and that is actually biden. i mean, biden is chippy and i think we hear that he's saying these things in fundraisers. why isn't he saying it in public? i think what biden needs to do is really confront trump in a very kind of colloquial way. and in ways that will go viral so short phrases like acting like a doesn't make you strong things like that that are very much biden-esque i think we'll get we'll get play in social media. and i would encourage so in that sense, i would encourage biden to be biden and i think that it also shows more strength and being more in the

moment. now, you'd get out of control, so you'd worry about that if you were in aid. but i think that that would be important. >> ashley very briefly, has he been doing that? we've heard more curse words. i will say for biden. >> yeah, it's spicy for 06:00 a.m. but i think that's the right move is to get him out on otr in the field, having conversations with people saying with a voter to some of the lines that that access at my mom was watching sunlight going to say it right now, but yeah, it's but it having those conversations allowing to have conversation and then his campaign get those conversations out on social media. >> all right, david audie, matt ashley. thank you all so much for your time. great to have you acts >> all right. before we go, i'll leave you with this. it was a wildest dream come true for a young taylor swift fan, nine-year-old scarlett oliver is battling an aggressive form of brain cancer. she was given 12 to 18 months to live according to her step mom, who

posted on social media that scarlet's dream was to meet taylor swift and also received the coveted 22 at which taylor gives away at each of her shows and this friday and sydney, here's what happened could watch that over and over and over again. right. all right. we're sending our very best wishes to scarlett as she fights. thanks to all of you for joining us on this monday. i will hopefully see you tomorrow. i'm kasie hunt cnn news central starts right now.