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the move, a rare look at the ukrainian drone warriors using sometimes homemade technology to try to slow the russians down. good evening. thanks for joining us. plenty of new developments to bring you tonight in the many trials and growing tribulations of defendant donald trump. today, he and his adult sons appealed new york's massive civil fraud judgment against them. he did not, however, begin paying the 460 plus million dollars. he now owes an amount new york attorney general, letitia james has taken to tweeting out actually, the figure on the left of her tweet there, the equals sign of the left of the equal sign 114, some thousand dollars that so much interests piles up every single day on a bill that trump has now got less than a month to either pay off himself for fonts, someone else to there's also a new court filing and the classified documents case setting. one special counsel against another. but we begin tonight with another case against trump, the new york hush money trial and district attorney alvin bragg's new requests for a gag order on the former president, justified according

to his filing, by threats against him and his staff that went from nearly none non-existent before the case to so many that the district attorney's security detail had to bring in help from the new york police department because they couldn't keep up. the filing also cited his conduct in other matters and keeping them honest. they are not hard to find deranged >> jack smith, have you ever heard of deranged jack smith deranged jack smith deranged when i call does they looked arrange and you take a look at that face. you say that guy is a sick man. there's something wrong with it? >> i mean, a woman outside a bergdorf goodman i took her upstairs to a changing booth. >> it was all made up. i don't even know who this woman is. what else can you expect from a trump hating clinton appointed judge. i have a trump-hating judge. as rogue judge i trump hater. we have a rogue judge. >> this judge is a lunatic and if you've ever watched him and the attorney general may be worse, maybe worse. you have a

watcher. i will get donald trump, letitia james, corrupt attorney general of new york she's a corrupt person. she's got serious trump derangement syndrome every single day, suing him. i'm going to sue him. >> just a small sampling. there are some of which and tone at least his campaign spokesman adopt in your response today quoting now, today the two tiered system of justice implemented against president trump is on full display with requests by another there are drains democrat prosecutor seeking a restrictive gag order which have granted would impose an unconstitutional infringement on president trump's first amendment rights, including its ability to defend himself, and the rights of all americans to hear from president trump. soon as kara scannell joins us now along cnn legal analyst karen friedman, agnifilo, also, elie honig carroll start off with you. let's talk about what this gag order would potentially cover because trump could still criticize alvin bragg, the district attorney. >> he can still criticize the district attorney and the case itself. but what bragg's team is saying to the judges, they would like him to prevent trump from criticizing me. the

potential witnesses in this case, any of the jurors that are selected in this case? as well as the attorneys that are working on it that aren't bragg and the court's staff, as well as their family members saying that they have seen this in other cases, and they're trying to get ahead of him. >> he went after the assistant to the judge, the clerk of the judge, and the other case. >> right. and the judge imposing gag order there. so there are now trying to get ahead of it, saying they want to protect this and particularly the jury here, because trump has had a history in some other cases of going after the jurors, including roger stone's trial he is a longtime confident of trump. he went after them after roger stone was convicted. so what they write in their filing for protective order for the jury, they say defendant's conduct in this and other matters, including his extensive history of attacking jurors and other proceedings presents a significant risk of juror harassment and intimidation that warrants reasonable protective measures to ensure the integrity of these proceedings minimize obstacles to jury selection, and protect your safety. so they're saying

in this case, donald trump will learn the identities of the jurors, but they want the judge to stop him from sharing met with any of his supporters, any of his confidence. and they also don't want him to know the addresses of any of these jurors. >> and what about the security for alvin bragg? what's diligence on that? >> so it to support this, they're saying that the his office had seen a direct correlation from march 2023 when donald trump started attacking bragg and attacking this case. this was the time when we were reporting every day about the grand jury hearing from witnesses and was just before the indictment. so they said in 2022, there was one threat against the office in 2023, there was 89 threats against the office, including two instances were letters were sent to brag, including white powdery substances that were deemed not to be toxic, but in fluted death threats against alvin bragg himself. >> all right, elie, what do you think from a legal standpoint about this idea of a gag order? >> i think the requested a gag order here is appropriately narrow. now, i'm no fan of gag orders. i was a prosecutor for 14 years. i never asked for a gag order, but i also never had

a client or a defendant quite like donald trump, and he has a history, as kara said, any judge in deciding whether to issue a gag order like this has to weigh the defendants first amendment right. you do have a right to criticize prosecutors in the case against you with the need to safeguard the proceedings, especially jurors and witnesses, and that's really the focus of this gag order. so i think it's narrow enough that the judge can sign it. without infringing on michael >> cohen is going to be one of the witnesses in this. so he so trump's not going to be able to say anything about michael cohen exactly. i'm michael cohen is well-known as a witness and donald trump and michael cohen both talked publicly about each other quite aggressively. if this gag order is signed, then yes, trump would violate it if he made verbal public attacks on michael color, karen, what do you think about it? >> so i think you bring up an excellent point that it's going to be a concern for the judge that this is all about protecting the jury pool because they're getting ready for trial, they're getting ready to send out jury questionnaires and you need to

protect the information that gets to prospective jurors. >> and we're not having enough why not why didn't the diaz for an anonymous jury that the identity of the jurors wouldn't be known. >> so the law in new york state is different than the federal law and it's really, you're not actually allowed to have a completely anonymous jury to the defendant and so this particular request that they made, which is to keep the names and addresses from the public, but not from the defense team or the prosecution team is actually along with new york law but the michael cohen is the michael cohen issue is a concern because if michael cohen continues to speak out about donald trump, donald trump will say he has a right to respond. so i could see the judge here, for example, issuing a gag order on all parties and all witnesses to protect the jury pool from getting extraneous extra judicial statements and information. now that we are weeks away from the trial, there's certain testimony, certain evidence that they're trying to keep out. >> that's right. they want to

keep out some of the testimony from or some public statements that rudy giuliani had made. he was on fox news trying to explain this will be back in 2018, 2017. and at the time he was saying that trump knew about the payments and then so trump same as saying they don't want that in implicating trumpy in. and now, the trump folks are saying, well, he had nothing to do with this. he was just speaking off the cuff right there saying he wasn't actually retained by trump. he wasn't acting as his attorney. he just kinda freelanced and went on fox and saying this, they're trying to put that back in the bag or say if you're going to let it run, let us run the cleanup effort that trump and giuliani then engaged in. and you also don't want >> some contemporaneous notes that allen weisselberg made, right? >> so weisselberg was part of this hush money payment he was involved in conversations with michael cohen. he took handwritten notes that the prosecutors want to use trump's lawyers are saying they shouldn't be allowed to use that because allen weisselberg because not being called as a witness in this case, he's not

you can be questioned by the defense about it, right? that's right. and also, remember he is in talks to plead guilty to perjury in the new york attorney general's case, which also raises complications about his credibility as a witness. >> and what about the access hollywood tapes and his public statements on sexual assault allegations >> i mean, the question then for the judge is going to be not just does this show bad character, you can't just introduce evidence that shows that a defendant's a terrible guy is as terrible things. you have to show that it's directly relevant to one of the issues at trial. the person's intent, some sort of pattern. and i think think what prosecutors have argued and will argue is this goes to donald trump's motive, his intent, why was he willing to pay off stormy daniel's? because this tape had just come out and he didn't want to sustain further political damage that will be the prosecution. karen, how >> long do you think this trial goes on for? >> it could be a lot of it depends on how much cross-examination of the witnesses that donald trump's lawyers choose to do, that the prosecutors have estimated about four weeks is what they think their entire case will

take from start to finish. and depending on if the defense attorneys cross examine their witnesses or put on their own defense case that could obviously extended. but i think i think four to six weeks is a decent decent guess. >> i want to go over to the former president is now appeal in this southern case on the fraud. can you walk us through what he did today? >> yes. so he filed a notice of appeal along with his son they're appealing both the dollar amount, this massive number of $454 million just for trump as well as the other remedies which includes banning them from being an officer director of accompany, and also continuing this monitor that's in place. so they filed their notice of appeal to get the ball rolling on this, you know, they still have 30 days to post money in order to satisfy the judgment in the case. so that's the thing that is still lingering out here. that was an address today in the appeal. this was just more of them saying we are going to go forward with this and we're going to challenge all to see

if the judge who had committed any error. >> and is it clear how or if he can pay i mean, this is the big question. it's a private company funny. there were questions about the credibility of their financial statements with the judge said were fraudulent and inflated in many ways mean trump has said that last year in testimony, he had more than $400 million in cash. the attorney general's office said in 2021, $200,000,000 was tied up in an illiquid partnership that he had with another real estate company. so no one really in leicester there can really see and have a handle on actually how much cash he has. so he could get a bond and have that collateralized by some of the assets that he owns. you know, we could sell property that takes longer to do, but this is uncharted territory for an individual having to put up so much money because he's not a company that has access to loans and banks and other sources of money. just want to bring in >> investigative report on trump biographer circuit is university law lecture, david cay johnston, so david, based on what you know, i mean, do

you think trump can pay for this? i mean, you've been saying you think he might file for bankruptcy i think donalds certainly will not have the cash to pay both the state award in the e jean carroll award that's about >> $530 million he may be able to find someone it won't be a bank, i suspect to in effect guarantee the payments. but given how murky his finances are, given his long history of not being truthful about his finances and having hidden debts it would be a strange bird who would do that. and by the way, if trump becomes president it means he's going to be owing somebody over $500 and he began his campaign almost nine years ago saying, i don't know anybody who have to be obligated, anybody i'm not going to take contributions elie, what do you think the odds are that trump wins this appeal? >> i think they're low. it's important to understand you're not going to win an appeal by arguing to a court of appeals. well the judge should have

credited our witnesses. the judge should have believed our evidenced more than the other side. that's not an appeal issue. you have to show something structural or procedural. it's also frankly not an appeal issue in my view. what to say. well, the attorney general had political motivation. she ran for office based on a promise that she'll go after me, which she did you know doing. yourself any favors by >> tweeting out things, mocking trump's the interests he has to pay. i mean, isn't that sort of is that appropriate know i think it's inappropriate. i think it's a terrible look and you showed this before what the attorney general has been doing the last several days is every day tweeting out plus 114,000, whatever dollars in interest she's mocking. and let's be honest, she's rubbing it in his face. he's gloating. it's not a good look when donald trump's argument to the public and to his voters is she targeted be political? now we know she ran for office. she said it dozens of times during her campaign for ag vote for me. i'll go after trump. >> that's bad enough. now,

she's piling on and sort of reveling in it. and i if i was advising her, i would tell him to knock it off and kara, what happens if trump doesn't pay? >> so after 30 days from when the judgment is entered by the court and it's already been entered. sorry. >> yeah, that clock is ticking after 30 days. if he hasn't either paid the judgment or posted a bond in the amount with collateral that satisfies the bond the attorney general can start enforcing the judgment, which means she can go after his bank accounts. you can go after his airplane, his buildings, his property. it's it'll be interesting to see how she chooses to enforce the ban, but also, you've got barack barbara jones, who is embedded in the trump organization at the direction of judge engoron. and she's the former federal judge who is the monitor their she has a window into the financials of the trump organization and that

could also be an interesting way. that the attorney general will be able to enforce the judgment. >> do we know does he have to pay the 83 million to e. jean carroll anytime is there a clock on that? >> yeah. the clock has been ticking on that. i think it's about halfway through the 30 day clock in federal court, but just hours after the judgment came down in the new york civil fraud case trump's lawyers went to the judge overseeing the carroll case and said, hey, can we postpone complying with this until all of our post-trial motions are dealt with. the judge just set a very quick briefing schedule. wants to hear from everyone by the end of the week, david, how do you think the e jean carroll judgment will play out? >> well, donald is going to earn he can to delay past november 5. that's 100% of his ball game in these two cases. if he can find some judge who will stay seizing of his properties. and we'll stay requiring him to put up money. he's going to run their ease entitled and in the state case to appeal to the intermediate

court of appeals, the highest court in new york is discretion as to whether they take the case or not unlike la la i don't see any substantial grounds here for him to overturn the findings of fact. and i don't see any significant errors by a judge and goren david cay johnston. thank you. kara scannell, karen friedman, agnifilo, and elie honig as well, coming up next, what investigators are learning about a nursing students killing at the university of georgia and what politicians, including the former president are making the fact that alleged killer was in the country unlawfully. and later, how a magician, unwittingly became part of a campaign dirty trick against joe biden through the dubious his magic of ai will explain ahead >> the source with kaitlan collins tomorrow at nine see idp disrupts the idp derails. >> let's be honest. sucks. >> but living with cid doesn't

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the day after riley was killed. investigators have not released a motive likens death is a direct result of failed policies on the federal level in an unwillingness by this white house to secure the southern border over the weekend, republican georgia governor brian kemp sent a letter to the white house criticizing the administration' 's immigration policies and demanding information on ybarra. >> it is an understatement to say that this is a major crisis and because of the white house is failures every state, as i've said, repeatedly, is now a border state. and in riley's murders, just the latest proof of that >> immigration and customs enforcement says ibarra was arrested in 2022 for being in the united states unlawfully he was paroled and he barr was arrested again in new york city in 2023. charged with acting in a manner to injure a child less than 17 and a motor vehicle license violation according to

ice nypd released ibarra before detainer could be issued. former president donald trump joined the chorus plane. aim of the biden administration. hyperbolas in the current border crisis as biden's border invasion on truth, social, saying riley's murder should've never happened. he barr was denied bond and is being held in the athens clark county jail not one more dog. >> tonight, rally sorority holding a vigil to remember the 22-year-old. >> it is so obvious to me why it feels so dark right now. and that is because we want to smoke the brightest lights that there's caribbean shaken community gathering to grieve the loss. one of its own. >> the >> first full day of classes since the murder >> our hearts will always put out like him, it was such an integral part of our citizens mr. head >> there's gotta be i mean, the impact of this on campus, it's just it's horrific yeah >> when you think about the size of this campus has over 40,000 students. we talked to so many today who were scared anderson, a lot of them left on

friday. this was the first day returning. and as far as the eye could see, you saw thousands and thousands of students lining up to pay their respects, holding hands. >> also >> talking about the little things like telling your friends you love them or calling home to your parents. also, they want more security on this campus there's been a lot of talk about how fast this investigation happened, but there's also been talk of bringing back the blue lights that we all know. they used to be across campuses all across this country. those were moved about 20 years ago from this case was but the conversations really extending we saw so much pain here. people saying they're scared to walk by sales. now, groups are going out together but you can understand this is going to be something that degree remember for the rest of their lives, there's no murder has been on this campus for over 20 years. anderson, this has been heartbreaking to watch throughout the day as these kids are just struggling, ryan young. >> thank you so much, sir. perspective now, joining us tonight, former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe. enter the suspect's immigration status would impact would it have on the investigation?

>> on the investigation, likely not much. right. what we have here anderson desist is just an irredeemably awful act of violent crime. and so to the investigators who we're able to identify this individual as a suspect in this crime with the assistance incredible assistance of video surveillance. and then to collect physical evidence likely that ties him to the crime scene itself. to them where he comes from, or what passport he holds or doesn't hold? is not particularly relevant. it's his involvement in the von and crime and how they can prove that with physical evidence that matters to them >> as ryan young reported, the suspect has been arrested before, given his immigration status. is it surprising he was released in those other cases? >> i don't think so. we don't have perfect detail about what happened in the new york case in which he was accused, at

least were convicted of endangering a child. but it is not uncommon in this country for people who are here, either awful immigration status are unlawful immigration status to be treated the same way that americans, people who are lawfully here are treated. and that is when they are arrested for non-violent acts, if they don't have an extensive record of criminal convictions, they typically are not held in jail pending a resolution of those charges. it doesn't surprise me that that happened to him and beer. >> people will >> rightfully ask, well, how is it that someone who's unlawfully in this country is given bail? in fact, as it happens around the country dozens and probably hundreds of times a day and that just simply a reflection of the volume of people that are going through the criminal justice system and the inability to keep all those people prior to trial. >> if somebody commits a serious crime and they're here

unlawfully, do they generally, if they're convicted? and it's a crime that people would actually be imprisoned for that. do they do time and then when that time is up, they get deported or is that not automatic? >> they do generally, that's certainly the position at the federal law enforcement level, right? if you are arrested for a crime, you are going to go through the system and serve your time if you're convicted and sentenced, you're going to serve that sentence before your turned over to the immigration service to be deported to your home country. most states pursue that same sort of priority possession. so if, you know, obviously in this this awful case, he's now been arrested and detained for murder. he he's not ever going to get bonded out on that charge, so he's going to have to see this one through service sentence here before he's deported back to venezuela, >> and right now, do you imagine a vessel? to get are still looking for more evidence at this point. i mean, it's still pretty early on

>> there's no doubt they are. that's going to happen until they are they are convinced that they have completely course that scene for everything they possibly can. i'm sure they've already or will soon execute a search warrant at his residence to try to collect any other evidence in second, possibly time to this crime to see if he's maybe taken anything from the crime scene, brought it back to his residence, anything like that would be very powerful evidence against him and that's the way that they're going to look at this. it's really on the political side that the defendants are the accused immigration status but this is becoming relevant and it's not particularly helpful on the criminal investigative and prosecutorial side. >> andrew mccabe. appreciate it coming up. president biden meets with republican and democratic leaders, the white house tomorrow, ukraine aid as a major topic look at how the fight is getting more difficult for ukraine even for what's been called its secret weapon against russian forces. that's next frank sinatra, it had

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ukraine russia is slowly reclaiming territory in the east. president zelenskyy told cnn that quote, millions in ukraine could die without more funding. we'll have more in that interview in a moment. right now. nick paton walsh, she's on the ground in ukraine with how the fight is change let's around fast, hiding each week in a new abandoned shell drone operators have been ukraine's secret weapon for months but now it is getting harder we saw this unit in december, but their base back then has been bombed yet still, they hunt every day for a single mistake a russian who gets himself spotted, flee for. >> they say the russians are better at hiding themselves. although sometimes obviously not yeah, so they've just wanted russian soldiers carrying groceries dog came out

to greet and so i think it's quite possible that's where some russians are hiding. so it begins the first strike on the window. one drone watching the other flies into the target and quickly they prepare another the hunt is no game, but has the tools of one they lose about a quarter of their drones to russian jamming. >> this terrible schiller's know and what followed. >> treasured. >> i should give me the loss you muslim, it is decide what was the only fix? >> the blue house or its roof clearly hit before a while ago, he becomes the next target and then jaga that they go in again. it could be a mortar position. they think watch. how small or explosion send

fragments flying out for. >> no lunar fox to village, just watching >> the russians often have to stay injured inside the damaged building to not draw in more drones and just throw it shows lose like this. and here's look quick we will go in again. it could >> be a mortar position. they think. then suddenly the power goes out the internet down and screens black. but remarkably, they barely ms a. beat. the commanders sparks up his cell phone 5g, with the drone feet and a chat directing the entire attack just from an iphone the smoke grows in intensity they think they might have hit a weapons store >> and bucha moola they never

see russian faces or taste the smoke. the blast noise takes a few seconds to travel to them. but this is still killing up close, yet far away. strike launch, repeat all day good rule. >> rule >> sometimes it's cheers, hear screams there other times. the other way around >> now, >> understand what really is striking about these units is just how relentless those attacks are. they simply do that all day, every day whenever they spot a potential russian target. interesting clue though this unit based in kherson, a city that was invaded, occupied liberated while they are concerned of what they've seen 20 kilometers further away from their position, russian units are massing. they're concerned they might be trying to have another go at the city who along the front lines now,

anderson, real concerns amongst ukrainian soldiers that russia might be trying to regain some momentum. we saw some of that just outside avdiivka, which ukraine had to give up two saturdays ago, russian moving towards a small village, lattice guinea, essentially taking it crane withdrawing from that. another sign of moscow's momentum. and that is leaving many ukrainians deeply anxious that president volodymyr zelenskyy admitting today that are the million shells the european union promise. remember it's it's going to happen, step into the gap left by a lack of american assistance of that million shells, only 30% of arrived so far. shocking, frankly and they're feeling it on the front lines, anderson, nick paton walsh. thank you. be careful, incredible to see the work of this drone operators up close to that point, president zelenskyy spoke was seen as kaitlan collins, the interview airs tonight and the source of the top of the hour, here are some of their conversations specifically about american aid now being held up in congress by house republicans >> you're basically saying that there be no new success for ukraine if there's no new us

aid. essentially, this all depends on us aid. >> steps. success forward will depend on your >> yes. >> not defending, not only defending line, because if you defend, just defend, you give possibility. russia >> push you. >> yes, small steps back. >> but any anyway, you, we will have this steps back small one. but when you step back, you lose people. we will lose people >> people will die. again. you can see more in the next hour and the source nine eastern time right here on cnn just ahead for us tonight, we now know who was behind the deepfake robocall, a prison biden during the new hampshire primary and how easy it was to actually do. a magician tells his secrets. next >> united states of scandal with jake tapper. sunday at nine on cnn one to leave works all day so i can keep working

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journalists and podcaster kara swisher, who is fascinating new memoir, burn book, a tech love story, goes on sale tomorrow congratulations on the a couple of, a lot of things i want to ask you about. first about the supreme court hearing today, about how whether tech giant should be treated like like phone companies. how do you see this? >> well, i not usually on tech side, but in this case it's ridiculous that the government's trying to impose what they should and shouldn't say that these it's tech companies have first amendment rights. they're also not the public square and they're trying to put there trying to use the word censorship to get everyone upset because it gets people in this country all rattled. if you use that word. but these are private companies that can do what they want the first >> met him a place to governments and that's correct. >> protocol they actually read the first amendment that attorney general texas, for example, it actually says government shall make no law, not, not google or not facebook or anything else. >> you i mean, in the book, you your trajectory is fascinating. i mean, you were a young journalist, young reporter. and kinda the only one around who was really interested in

digital stuff from the beginning? >> yeah, i was the young one, like give it to the young one. that's really it was exactly like that and i was interested i was interested in phones. i was very interested in i covered retail and when i saw craigslist, i worried about the death of newspapers right away. you can see all those economic underpinnings are going and they didn't see it. and i was like don't you see what's happening kind of thing and it's also passing because you write about all of the giants in tech who we know about from the various earliest time as you've met them. now and the trajectories, i just want to ask you about a couple elon musk i met him when he was a company called zip2, which was basically yellow pages online, then he kinda got tossed out and there he made a few million, but not not a great history who is very typical of a lot of those people. >> and then he >> moved on to something called x.com, which was a competitor paypal, they merged and luckily sold off to ebay and then that's where he made his money. >> you in the book you're writing about him now, as sort of all his worst impulses are what we see now, that's correct. >> the he had 10% of it was i

don't know if i can say jokes, but it was jokes and whoop jokes and memes and things like that. then that was 10% of his personality that he was super interesting and he was covering like cars and solar and face that was substantive, everyone else was making a digital dry cleaning service. he wasn't. and that was that's what attracted me to him. that big ideas and i liked that >> and now what do you think of him? >> i think he's still doing big ideas, but something's happened to his personality, something drastic and disturbing. he's been he's been radicalized in some way you write about jeff bezos, also known from from the beginning. what do you make of his trajectory? i think i don't know if it was in the book or in an interview. i read that you said that he would eat your face off if he needed to feral? when i met him for the first time, he was older than the one once people are recovering, were very young at the time i met them geoff was he was already successful. he'd worked on wall street and he was an adult. he had a wife. he was later he had children pretty early. and so he has a very different character. he was into logistics in math and so he was doing the logistics

company is what he was doing. it didn't matter. they're selling books. >> and so he was a different he's a different cat. and i mean, it's a different person and so i just thought he was wildly ambitious in a way that was more common to me, more like the bill gates kind of character in the book you write about january 6, you say on january 6, 2021 scenario that i concocted with twitter executives in 2019 told me it was preposterous and responsible to write became a reality. yeah, walk us through that. >> so i wrote a column and then here i had a common than york times for a while because i really wanted to show, i wanted to cause alarm and i knew then york times would be the place they would pay attention to it. and so one of the columns i wrote was in 2019 where i said, if donald trump loses the election, it's not unusual to think he's going to say it's a fraud. when he says it's a fraud, it's going to he's going to pump it was gonna it's gonna go up and down the online food chain that exists on the right, which is very vast and it goes back and forth so he's gonna say it's a lie. this is going to say its allies going to say it's going to repeat it like propaganda. and then he's gonna ask his people to do

something about it in the real-world and it's going to jump from online to offline. and i was like, and he's going to ask them to stop the results. and i said that when i wrote that, i was called i was called out by tech companies like this is preposterous, ridiculous. we're not responsible. i said i didn't say you were fully responsible. i said this could happen there is an arrogance in silicon valley about from a lot of these founders, these titans who are, i mean, they're doing extraordinary things, but >> there is this. i mean, am i wrong and feeling this narrow, it's just like you'd never have a wall street person telling you they're going to build community there. i'm here to take your money. they're here to ensure very clear in wall street but we're about money and the first line of this book is, it was capitalism. after all. i just don't want to hear this nonsense about changing the world when they control the world. >> mark zuckerberg was asked at a congressional hearing on social media, i want to play that moment because it's very dramatic.

>> this is why we invest so much being efforts to make sure that that your family. >> you point out repeatedly, there's been no regulation know of the social media companies. now, there's is there any other industry that has happened? no, it's not specifically. and section 230 protects them actually from liability. there's hardly any liability they are born, they can't murder people, but neither can the rest of us right? well, maybe they can. i don't know. >> in that case, those parents thought that facebook and others had had a thing and listen to what he said. >> yeah, up to their children, right? >> listen to what he said. did he say i'm sorry for what i've done or did he say i'm sorry for what's happened to you? there's a very big difference. he still can't take even the smallest amount of responsibility and think how should they be responsible, whether it's for that those parents should be able to sue. they'll lose or win in court. that's fine. that seems fair for everybody else, even donald

trump's in court. >> when you look at this next election coming up are we going to see all the same issues we saw in 2020? >> some of them. and then there's gonna be more dijk bags because, you know, we'll have to figure it out and work through. but my issue is these are unaccountable people making decisions for the rest of us and not paying the price of damage. >> kara swisher. thank you. so thank you. the news continues right here on cnn >> outfront next, did putin kill alexey navalny to thwart a prisoner swap? navalny's aides, making that bold accusation tonight, a russian investigative journalist and longtime navalny friend is outfront with more plus an exclusive kfile investigation revealing an alleged architect of trump's fake elector scheme ran a secret twitter account directly contradicting what he was telling investigators and a race against time for donald trump. >> can he get but half 1 billion? he now owes the state of new york in 30 days or less. let's go outfront