answer any made it clear he wants to do something on the border, but we made it clear to him. we can't terry where the war could be lost and second, we had we wanted to do border and have a tough, secure border plan as we showed, we democrats showed in the senate, but he can't say i won't do ukraine until we get border. he's tried to do border for six months and couldn't come up with a single democratic vote. that's enough. next one next one. yes. yes. discuss border here. >> is this part of discussions. >> is there a >> legislative discussion as part of or is this still the republican because he made it look has to be done to the white house. lemon, make it clear. we made the overwhelming sentiment that meetings we got to do ukraine. now, there are other issues including board what are which we should address, but not now. and there was a discussion in the room that could you do border just by administrative action, i think biden won that. aren't because he said you can't do

it. we all said without personnel and you need legislation for personnel and even the republicans in the budget asked for more money for personnel at the border. so it was clear it was clear that we want to fix border, but it was also clear. the speaker did not make it, didn't give a reason why you had to do one before you did the other >> branch, 11 and branches on sunday called for it? >> sir. >> thank you >> with a partial government shutdown looming on friday midnight, we've been listening to the democratic leaders of the house and senate at the white house, speaking to reporters after a high-stakes meeting in the oval office. welcome to cnn news central and boris sanchez alongside brianna keilar. again, we're watching this game of chicken play out on capitol hill between democrats and republicans. and today, it's centered on this meeting at the white house, president biden and vice president kamala harris sitting

down with a time four liters in congress they're running out of time yet again to avert this partial government shutdown, funding for several key agencies will expire at the end of the day on friday of lawmakers do not reach a deal and then just one week later on march 8, funding for the remaining government agencies is set to run out. >> it feels like we have been here before, many times because we you have and typically it's democrats blaming republicans and republicans blaming democrats. this time, it's really a lot of people blaming house speaker mike johnson with them deadline day fast approaching here, joining us now we have cnn's lauren fox on capitol hill. we have cnn's mj lee at the white house. mj first to you, any word on whether president biden's oval office meeting could move the needle here? >> well, brianna, i thought we just got a remarkable readout from senator schumer on how this meeting went first and foremost in terms of these leaders in the room all turning

to speaker johnson to emphasize what is at stake in terms of getting ukraine funding senator schumer described this as one of the most intense meetings he has ever encountered in the oval office. he's obviously been a part of many of them over the years. he's said that basically president biden, the vice president, mcconnell, jeffrey schumer himself, that they all almost it sounds like took turns going around to share their views on why it was so critical to get something done on ukraine aid. he said that we all said to this speech get it done, that without additional us funding, ukraine could actually lose the war that nato could become fractured, and that they made the point to speaker johnson that history is looking over your shoulder and if you don't take action, you will regret it. so you can really just imagine based on what schumer was saying that this was such a pressure cooker kind of a meeting setting for the

speaker. and then of course, there were a number of other issues who's that these people in the room in the oval office disgust over the course of about an hour or so, including that important deadline to fund the government boyd a partial government shutdown. it does sound like everybody in the room was an agreement that that needs to be avoided. there was good progress was what senator schumer said that johnson himself was unequivocal about avoiding a government shutdown. and then of course there was a thorny discussion shan over the border with democrats essentially telling speaker johnson, you had a chance to act on this, and republicans passed up that opportunity. so we'll see when we get a little bit more of a readout, especially plea from the white house's side whether they feel like there was real progress made, but boy, incredibly clear that there was so much pressure placed on speaker johnson in this heating pressure, there from congressional leadership at the white house, pressure from his own conference members

repeatedly threatening to fire him as speaker. essentially, if he provides aid to ukraine without some kind of solution for the border, mj lee from the white house. thank you so much. let's pivot to cnn's lauren fox. lauren, what are you hearing? from folks on the hill about the likelihood of something getting done by friday? >> yeah. obviously, this meeting is incredibly consequential because the fact that this is not really a fight between republicans and democrats in the traditional way. this has been a stand off to getting these four for bills finalized really between the senate and the house. and that is why having these leaders in one room really starting to square off against johnson and making it clear to him what is at stake on ukraine. what does that stake when it comes to government funding was going to be a really important moment for potentially getting in this across the finish line on the issue of the government shutdown it seems per schumer's read out, which was

extremely clear of what happened in that room. according to him, he said that johnson realized that having a government shutdown was not the right route to go, but there's a difference between thinking of shutdowns, a battle idea, and making sure everyone can finalize these bills right now, given the fact that house republicans have this 72 hour rule where they liked to have three days to read a bill today's kind of d-day for getting a final agreement on legislative text and that is why we've been standing by waiting to see if appropriators can finally announce an agreement. agreement because in the senate, it takes time to move these bills and you were talking about being right up against a friday midnight deadline. that means there's just not that much time. was comes back tomorrow. i will be very interested to see what mike johnson says about this meeting because it is going to be up to him to decide whether or not those final item comes on government spending can get closed out on the issue of ukraine. this was obviously a pressure cooker moment for speaker johnson in that room,

according to schumer, but it also is not that different than what we've seen play out on capitol rahel over the course of the last several months, mcconnell schumer, jeffries, the president all in agreement that ukraine aid is pivotal, but the pressure that johnson is facing is making that vision very difficult for him to even bring this bill to the floor, despite the fact that republicans and democrats in the house who were supportive argue this bill, ukraine age specifically would pass over for whelming lee if johnson just agreed to put it on the floor, but that action obviously could threaten his job. >> yeah, certainly could. lauren fox. thank you for that. right now, voting is underway in michigan. it's the first it's battleground state to hold a primary and on the republican side, of course, former president trump trying to notch yet another double-digit victory over nikki haley. so there may be more suspense on the democrat kradic side, actually, and kind of almost unbelievably with an incumbent. but that's because president biden is trying to stamp out a little bit of a mutiny within his party yes, michigan democrats are pushing

for a protest vote over biden's handling of the israel-hamas war. they're urging democratic primary voters to choose uncommitted on the ballot trying to send a message to the white house we, have cnn's omar jimenez outside a polling place near detroit, and cnn senior political analyst mark preston is here with us in studio. omar, first to you. what are you hearing from voters today? >> yeah, well we've heard from some trump voters. we've heard from some biden voters at this point. it doesn't seem that there's going to be any surprises far as who who wins these primaries. but a lot of interesting clues as far as what we could see in the general election up to this 0.1. just want to show you a little bit of where we are. look. you notice that it is pretty pretty empty right now at this polling location. and even the election official here told us that it is slow based on what she's seen, but what's interesting about michigan, this cycle is this is the first cycle where we are seeing early in-person voting here. and that combined with absentee voting, we've already seen more than 1

million people return bau well, it's 2020. we saw over just a little bit overturn early and very quickly we want to go to house speaker mike johnson or the podium at the white house. let's listen, >> president, just he and i in the oval office. let me say this. when i showed up today my purpose was to express what i believe is the obvious truth. and that is that we must take care of america's needs first. when you talk about america's needs, you have to talk further about our open border i've been i believe in maybe 20 something states over the last several weeks going around the country, appearing at events with my colleagues. and we're hearing from the american people of all parties and all persuasions and all cities and all states who feel this acutely, they understand the catastrophe at the border is affecting the air 31 and it is top of mind for all the american people for that reason. i brought that issue up repeatedly today in that room. and again, one-on-one with the president. i think that's our responsive ability to bring that up. the

other big priority for our country, of course, is the funding of our government. and we have been working in good faith around the clock every single day for in weeks and over the last several days, quite literally around the clock to get that job done. we're very optimistic. i hope that the other leaders came out here and told you the same way believe that we can get to agreement on these issues and prevent a government shutdown. and that's our first responsibility. you also heard i'm sure that there was discussion about the supplemental a spending package and i was very clear with the president and all those in the room that the house is actively pursuing. and investigating all the various options it's on that. and we will address that in a timely manner. but again, the first priority of the country is our border and making sure it's secure. i believe the president can take executive right now today to change that. and i told him that again today in person is as i've said to him many times publicly and privately over the last several weeks, it's time for action. is a catastrophe

and it must stop. and we will get the government funded and we'll keep working on that. so we'll have more for more money budget. >> johnson, they are coming out of a meeting at the white house where he was under a lot of pressure. and has been as well from his predecessors urging him to prevent a government shutdown. but you heard him there saying there has to be and sort of dealing of the open border, even though there wasn't agreement that he has said no to that his conference has said no to because donald trump said no to let's go back now to lauren fox on capitol hill here. lauren, where does this leave us? >> yeah, certainly he kind of laid out this series of issues is that they discussed and he notably said that he had a one-on-one conversation with the president where he did bring up, once again the issue of the border. i wanted to talk about the border issue first because i think what he's arguing here is that house republicans want to see action

on the border before they are willing to do something on ukraine. of course, >> as you pointed out oh, the senate had been negotiating a bipartisan agreement that house republicans rejected. it's swiftly after it was released, after coming under some pressure from donald trump, not to agree to that senate negotiated package. and then the whole thing really fell apart. and what you've heard from democrats and what you've heard from the white house is that was more opportunity, but it seems in this case, speaker johnson making it clear, house republicans want to see action on the border before they move forward with ukraine. so that remains it's a key sticking point despite the fact that it does sound like from schumer, there was immense pressure put upon him, reminding him of what is that stake in ukraine, reminding him that time is of the essence on the battlefield. the other issue that he said repeatedly is that they are working to avoid a government shutdown. he believes that they are going to be able to wait a government shutdown. i did not hear specifics about how they

are actually going to do that over the course of the next 72 hours because they certainly don't have a lot of time. what i've been told from aides that are talking and close to this process is that they have closed out many of the issues that had been sticking points, but there are still a few of them that remain outstanding. and you might be really close. you might be on the cost of a deal, but until you close out those final issues, you really do put yourself in a position where you can stumble backwards into a government shutdown. and i think right now that is what we are watching on capitol hill. they may have all intents and purposes of avoiding we didn't want but in less than negotiators and the principles which you just heard from agree on what those final bills are going to look like. it becomes very very difficult to see how this can move quickly and congress, so i would say after hearing from johnson, after hearing from schumer, they are optimistic, but there's no guarantee that a shutdown is going to be able pointed at this point. >> and here we go again. lauren

fox on the hill for us. let's bring cnn senior political analyst, mark preston back with us what is your reaction to this meeting? because it seems like a lot of circular talking where you you have johnson saying there has to be this addressing of the open border. but remember there was a border agreement that was worked out in the senate and he quashed it. so where does that leave things crafted by democrats and republicans in the united states senate and president trump came out even before the bill was, was put out publicly and said that he wasn't for luke. it's a political issue for him right now. we know that the president biden and former president trump are both going to be down at the border on thursday this has become an explosive issue and of course, we've seen some horrific stories that have come out in the past week. this young woman who was murdered down in athens, georgia, and it's tie with that being somebody who came over here illegally and had been and let go. so this is a very potent political issue

when it comes to that, when the government shuts down, or could the government shut that's an incredible amount of pressure now being put on the speaker shoulders because he has people within his own conference who are telling him that a shutdown is better for him, which we all know it's not it was glaring to me that while we saw the democratic leadership on capitol hill together, they're outside the white house. we did not see the senate minority leader alongside speaker johnson mitch mcconnell was not there. i understand that his responses in her email, i'm not gonna look at it right now. but what does it tell you about where the republican conference is? that they're not aligned in a way that they can't even stand at a podium together and put forward a basic agreement on what the country should do when it comes to pairing the border issues with funding for partners overseas. >> you know, the senate republicans and senate house members and brie, you remember this in your years on capitol hill, right? >> they the ones in the senate and the ones in the house they're republicans or they're democrats. but the fact is there's competing pressures for

those two different houses in the house of representatives. there's almost more power given one when it's sizable enough in ideological enough, that can force the speaker of the house, depending on whatever the party is, to have to go a certain way in the senate, it only takes a few people to actually stop something. but at the same time, the senate seems to be more in lockstep with trying to get things done. the house is quote, unquote the people's house. it's a little more rochus. >> the mcconnell statements, he made brief comments to reporters when he came back to the capital. so interesting as you point out, boris, there. and he said mainly we talked about keeping the government open, which i think we can all agree on. i think we're making some real headway on turning appropriations process. all right. so there you go >> generic language very generic >> he said, oh cool. all right, >> well, i'm sure you have. >> let's not give up hope. right? let's let's not give up hope they can keep it together. i do want to talk to you about what we initially had you on here to talk about, which was michigan which i love this day,

because it tells us so much. i think michigan has really been this bellwether here in the last two presidential elections when it comes to the primary, remember, bernie sanders winning unexpectedly eight years ago, and it told us in retrospect, the trouble that hillary clinton was going when you get into in michigan, he had biden doing very well even against bernie sanders in the last primary. so as you're looking here at this different situation, which is a protest vote, maybe people voting uncommitted but still coming out to vote. >> what are you looking for? >> well, let me say this polls haven't closed yet, but there's already clearly a winner and it is the folks who got behind the uncommitted vote. the fact that they were able to move the white house on such a complicated and very controversial far foreign policy issue, which is to go to our greatest ally, or one of our greatest allies in israel. and really start to back off our support of the constant

bombing in gaza. 30,000 people now have died over there from the idf going in there trying to root out hamas. but what we're seeing is not only are arabs and palestinians and muslims in michigan now, latching onto this, younger people are starting to latch on to this in the progressive wing of the party, you talk about bernie sanders, talk about giving somebody or giving a part of the party an incredible amount of power. and that's what bernie sanders has run for presidency did. so the wife hi, how's clearly concerned? joe biden was on seth meyers what, 12 hours ago, 14 hours ago, saying that he thinks a ceasefire is going to be on monday. timing seems to be perfect, right? right before the michigan primary, where he was facing this we shall see how it might affect the turnout and polling there mark preston. thank you so much. we want to get some perspective now from one of the michigan democrats who is pushing for this uncommitted protest vote. we have with us state representative a lob us for hot, a lot of us. thank you so much for being with us. what message are are you trying to send president biden by voting

on committed? >> yeah, i want to make it clear that today's vote is an appeal to the white house. it isn't appeal to president biden to be the leader that we know. he can't leave that he promised the nation he would be in 2020 when he campaigned saying that he was going to restore dignity did he inhumanity to the white house right now thousands of michiganders are watching overseas. their loved ones dying, children starving to death and they're hearing the screams of parents who are holding their children, their lives lost children. what right now, we're hoping to push the president as secure a ceasefire now on let's and the killing of innocent civilians overseas. let's restore humanitarian aid, right? let's start working towards a lasting peace process. that's the appeal of michigan voters that when they vote uncommitted >> in recent weeks, president biden has gone further and publicly criticizing benjamin netanyahu has gotten government and his policies calling the idf response over the top. he

also a re-installed actions against settlers in the west bank obviously, you would like to see him do more. so i'm wondering what specifically you would like to see him change in his approach to the israeli leadership. >> look, i i'm really glad that you hold it in on the israeli leadership because that's what this is, right the prime minister of israel, benjamin netanyahu, i think has actively worked in a lasting peace process, went out there and made statements saying that there can be no peace deal for that aid, rather recover the hostages through forced them through a ceasefire these type that the rhetoric of the prime minister of israel has been damaging, i think. and quite frankly, it's led to the innocence civilians that have been murdered and killed right now what i'd love to see from the white house is a recognition that one benjamin, that now is not a a great actor to work within his is not somebody who i think has the best interests of not only the israeli people, but the us foreign policy. broadly at heart, he doesn't have that at

heart. he's concerned that the moment this conflict ends so too does his tenure as prime minister of israel. because ultimately the burden falls on him for failing to one, keep israel safe, but two are failing to bring back the hostages on a timely matter when there has been deals and offers made to bring these hostages back home for a ceasefire i'm curious to get your perspective on something that congresswoman debbie dingell said this morning that president biden has nothing to fear and michigan's primary. do you think enough voters will vote uncommitted? that president biden? may see himself potentially lose the primary. >> oh, i mean, look, i'm talking to many of my constituents who are were organizes and listen to michigan campaign. and i think the president, it's no secret will probably one of the democratic primary today the message though is that a plurality of voters, arabs, muslims, christians, gen z voters are coming together.

african american voters are coming together in a coalition to tell the president that, hey, we want, we want to see you call for a ceasefire. we want to see our white house reflect the values that we know it should reflect i think that's the bigger message today. >> i don't think the goal the stated goal of listen to michigan campaign or any of these campaigns was to see the president lose the primary >> okay, president biden did win the state of michigan by just over 150,000 votes back in 2020. and many democrats are arguing that if you don't support president biden biden your opening the door to another term for donald trump. so i'm wondering if you think trump gets elected, would gaza see a better outcome? are you still open to voting for biden in november so here's what i'll say. boris and i'll be honest. no, today's ballot for folks that may not know is the primary vote. so today isn't a choice of biden or trump that's not the choice. michiganders are making today. >> but i want to share a story

just before getting on the skype call. i received the picture of several older woman, my mom was one of them just voted and she was smiling she was smiling because she knew today. just think about what a beautiful country we live in, where we can go and influence our decision makers but she was smiling because she felt like she was moving the needle forward on a lasting ceasefire. she she is voting uncommitted today because of her childhood friends were dead because of the bombings in lebanon and in palestine. >> right? and so to be clear to be more specific you know, we don't want to see president trump returned to the white house. we know what a danger he has started democracy. we know what a threat he is to our institutions. and so today's an appeal using the most american process we have our democracy, our vote, to the white house, the president biden to make sure that our issues, the restoration of humanitarian aid, a lasting ceasefire a return of hostages being held are all the table and being,

you know, hopefully, before we get to november, were there on those issues. so that's what this is an appeal to the white house a lot of us for hod we have to leave the conversation there. appreciate you sharing your perspective with us. >> thank you >> of course >> coming up this hour on cnn news central, sun, an emergency hearing is set to start georgia election interference case against former president trump attorneys are expecting a star witness to potentially undercut testimony from district attorney fani willis, plus the death toll in gaza approaches 30,000. president biden says a ceasefire deal could be just days away. what we know about the potential framework of that deal and if you're a family struggling to put food on the table the kellogg ceo has he suggestion, eat breakfast cereal for dinner, and that advice is not going oh the verb so well >> king charles, tomorrow it on cnn

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october 7 are still believed to be alive, held in gaza by hamas and other militant groups. here with us now is mark esper. he was defense secretary under president trump. he now serves on the board or is a strategic advisor for a number of aerospace and defense related companies? sir, thanks for being with us here. you have qatari officials also saying they're hopeful a deal can be reached, but before ramadan, hamas downplaying optimism that we hear coming from biden saying that israel and the us are using it as a negotiating tactic. what is your read on a potential ceasefire >> yeah. well, good afternoon, bianna. good to be with you >> yes. what's interesting is both israeli officials and hamas have said that they didn't know president biden was talking about. and in fact, the israeli official was particularly surprised that he used the word ceasefire as well, because of course they don't want to cease fire. they're looking for words like temporary ceasefire or a pause in fighting. so there are two concerns there. look, on one hand, maybe it is closed,

nobody wants to talk about it because it is so close. a cynic might say that president biden said that because we're on the eve last night of the michigan primary where words like that would resonate well with arab americans and muslim americans. >> but we'll see, i >> mean, it does sound like they've narrowed many of the issues. it looks like the swap who may be 40 israeli prisoners, which would be the elderly women and the sick in exchange for 400 palestinian prisoners, prisoners. i think the big issue was who among those palestinians? the prisoners would it be would it be senior former leaders? would it be people convicted of murder which are all red lines for the israelis, but we'll see what happens here in the coming days. >> so i mean, you raised the possibility there that biden is saying this, knowing that michigan has the highest concentration of muslim and arab americans, and they are key to his constituency there, as well as young voters and black voters in that state. is that what you think is

happening? that he's saying that based on politics, instead of what's actually happening in these negotiations. >> i don't think so. that's why i said a cynic might say that. not look, i think he believes it's coming. he wants to be so but i again, i think they're not there yet and look at the end the day. the other thing is to is bibi netanyahu is going into rafah one way or another. he has said on multiple occasions that they're at least four battalions, the remaining four battalions are six battalions of hamas militants in rafah. they suspect that yahya sinwar, the leader of hamas and gaza, the architect behind the october 7 attacks. it's either there or hiding in khan yunis. so one way or the other, i think israel is going in so we may see a cease, a temporary ceasefire. but the fighting is far from over in gaza. >> and in rafah, obviously worth mentioning, this has been the haven. i don't think you can really say there is a haven in gaza. there isn't. but as far as where people have tried to seek refuge, that's it about

one-and-a-half million palestinians living there after fleeing from northern gaza and biden is warning israel that there but risk of losing international support as this offensive drags on. do you see any of that influencing netanyahu? do you see any of that impacting netanyahu's plans? >> well, first of all, they have lost a lot of international support already, but for arguably a few countries, notice notably united states. and as you point out, breon, it's, it's 1.4 million or so refugees crammed into a city that prior to the war housed about 100,000 hundred and 50,000 people. so it's extremely dense and passed i think president biden laid out a good condition that there has to be a credible plan to avoid civilian unnecessary civilian damage killing et cetera. and i think bibi not yet yahoo has been influenced by that he says that the military has presented a plan to push them either further south are back around into southern parts of southern gaza, but not rafah, but we'll

see we haven't seen a detailed plan yet and yet the netanyahu has said one way or the other, they'll go in by march 10 if there isn't a deal a lot going on, >> secretary. thank you so much for being with us. >> thanks, briana >> next times are tough for americans struggling still with inflation, but the ceo of kellogg's has a suggestion austin, just have a bowl of cereal for dinner. well, that advice. >> i know it may not be well received laura, coates live week nights at 11 eastern on cnn >> morning's cough, congestion, i'm feeling better all in one and done with new mucinex kickstarting better now the next kickstart gives all in one and done relief without morning jolted, cooling sensation. come season

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raising eyebrows kellogg's ceo is facing criticism after suggesting people who might be having a hard time putting food on the >> table should feed their families. cereal for dinner. >> yan, a recent interview on cnbc, gary pilnick made a case for the idea of saying syria real isn't just for breakfast. consider the rising cost of food >> the cereal category has always been quite affordable and it tends to be a great destination when consumers are under pressure. so some of the things that we're doing is first messaging, we got to reach the consumer where they are our two were advertising about cereal for dinner. if you think about the cost of cereal for a family versus what they might otherwise do. that's going to be much more affordable. >> all right cnn's vanessa yurkevich is here with more on the backlash here. vanessa cereal for dinner. it's actually been a year-long campaign for kellogg's yeah they, rolled out with an advertisement just about that exact thing, about a year ago, but it's really the ceos

comments that are really providing >> some backslash from consumers right now, i think we've all had a bowl of cereal for dinner. but the idea that this should be a meal replacement for a more balanced meal because people are struggling to put food food on the table is really drawing criticism. and here's why. just look at what americans are paying right now, food prices up 26% from 2020 alone. the cost of cereal itself up 28 since 2020. and because of those increases in food prices, kellogg's has had to to raise their prices by 12% in the last year. >> and a lot of people are pointing out >> that the person making these comments is a ceo who makes about 4 million a year and probably doesn't have as much of a struggle to put food on the table. and you also have consumers online saying yes, while cereal is delicious, and we've all done it from time-to-time. families are really struggling to provide balanced meals for their family

and are having to make really tough choices about what to feed their families and what to not. so people really saying that this ceo of kellogg's is a little bit out of touch with where with consumers want to be right now >> it doesn't come across for a lot of people as ernest, as like an earnest bit of advice or suggestion when he's trying to promote it. on cnbc is like a way to raise stock prices. vanessa, wendy's fast food chain is also going to start testing out a new form of pricing for them, much like uber, they're going to start surge pricing yes, many americans are familiar with surge pricing because of what uber does and lift does when there's really bad weather out. but here's what wendy's is going to try in 2025, something they're calling dynamic pricing, which is essentially surge pricing, which will adjust the cost of menu items both in the restaurant and online depending on consumer demand and they're going to put $20 into this

investment. it's going to be powered by artificial intelligence. people don't love surge pricing guys, so it'll be interesting to see whether or not this actually works with consumers if they find that they're actually saving in moments where there's less demand. maybe other fast food chains will adopt it. but the history has really shown us that people just don't like to pay more when they don't have to, especially if they see people paying less at other times. i'll also mention that there's a lot of fast food companies and brands out there that people could decide, hey, i'm not lying liking what wendy's is doing. i'm going to go to somewhere else for lifted nuber. there are less choices, so people kind of get stuck paying those surge prices. but this is not starting until 2025 will have to see how it goes with consumers as long as the ice cream machine is working late night, then well, that's questionable. i know there's i think the thing to hear is you know, you like getting a deal if it's not surge but on those

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