statement that might be what's up their sleeve, come come on. july >> we'll soon find out douglas brinkley, always great to talk to you and have that perspective. thank you very much. >> thank you, abby >> and before we go tonight, some sad news to report comedian richard lewis has died. his publicist told cnn that he passed away peacefully at his home in los angeles last night after suffering a heart attack. most recently, he starred in curb your enthusiasm with moments like this where it all again today i'm a word of wisdom, man, i didn't three tried a street in a row he really on a good strike on a huge strikes that >> before his time on curb, louis had a long career as a stand-up comedian, where he went deep into his own torment, earning him the nickname, the prince of pain he was also in films like mel brooks is robin hood, men in tights and last year he revealed that he'd been

living with parkinson's disease. richard lewis was 76 years old and thank you for watching news night. laura coates live starts right now with a democracy. >> well, the jury >> i mean the supreme court is still out on that one tonight on laura coates why well, it's morning in london and they will woke up with the king, will guess what america you could be going to bed with one that's if the supreme court hands donald trump a get out of jail free card. after all, what is akin, someone who answers to no one can do what he wants it? well, who's going to check them? boo in a democracy? the answer is supposed to be the other two branches of government, right? you co-equal branches, the whole checks and balances thing

is all coming back to us now, right? i mean, it's easy to forget these days when the supreme court just announced it's going to take up the question of whether a president has absolute immunity no they're not treating that as some kind of rhetorical question. they're actually going to hear arguments arguments as to whether a president is untouchable. now, we don't know how they're going to rule, but the arguments were raised by trump's lawyers in the court of appeals were well, one, the only way you can criminally prosecuted former president fend for criminal conduct while in office. was if that president had first been impeached and convicted, and two, if you tried impeachment first, you can't pursue criminal action because somehow without any basis in the law, you would violate double jeopardy remember the hypotheticals we heard about trump's lawyer is saying that a president could possibly order seal team six to assassinate his political rival. really, what it is on on the docket for

an oral argument at the end of april. and the supreme court's term, you know, what ends in june. and that's their actual deadline for when they have to give you an answer. but guess what? i bet you want an answer sooner, don't you? wouldn't that be nice? wouldn't that be helpful? no, wait. wouldn't that be super as in super tuesday, when millions of you are going to be casting your primary votes, will super tuesday is in what, six days >> get an >> answer by then, let's be honest, you might not get an answer before trump is expected to cinch that claims that nomination i should look into getting one of those maybe white barrister wigs at the brits were in court just in case the supreme court got hamilton's king george, the third song, second its head you will be back >> soon. you'll see you belong to me. >> that no belongs as his and his beautiful mind. i bring in

cnn senior justice correspondent, evan perez. you just followed king george >> it doesn't get better let me ask me, walk me through the court's decision today because it's done a lot of people. one, because the timing of it, right. and the fact that they were going to take it up, right. >> i mean, it's been three weeks since the dc appeals court rejected the former the former president's immunity claims and said he was citizen trump now. and so he's not entitled to that immunity, especially because some of the things he's accused of doing. right. we're not related to his job. and so now the supreme court after having decided back in december that they weren't going to take this up, jack smith went to them in december and said, because of the importance of this question this immunity question, and the fact that everyone knew this was going to come back to them. he asked for the court to take it up then and they rejected it then so now what the court had to wait for the lower court rule on it, right. >> to go to wait for the lower

court to rule. another lower court has ruled they waited three weeks. and now what we what they've said today is that they are going to take this up it's extended the stay, which means that the case is paused indefinitely and they've they've scheduled oral arguments, not like next couple of weeks or in later late next month, know, in almost two months from now, they've scheduled oral arguments. and so again, as you pointed out, that timeline puts it, there term ends in june. it's likely possible that that's when we're going to hear a decision. and as you pointed out, the calendars is disappearing, right the former president is likely to be the republican nominee by july. and then his calendar, the calendar here is it's getting eaten up by other cases, including ones in new york. and of course, the one that is pending in atlanta. so look, in the end, what this means is that it's very likely that by the time this is all worked out and if he loses the

appeal and it goes back to judge chutkan in washington we're not going to see a resolution of this before the december electric before the november election. yeah. you mentioned the other trials that are on the horizon. i mean, you've got the fulton county and we know what's happening down there with disqualification, right? we've got our the pending request to disqualify. that's not a certainty. we know what's happening with alvin bragg on march 25th. i mean, they're election interference face that's billed as also hush money. does this impact those other cases as well? you think the timing because these are not federal cases. >> federal cases. so i sensibly, they do not affect those. but let me tell you the other one that's still in waiting in the wings is the documents case, classified documents case. there's a there's a hearing on friday where we were anticipating that the judge was going to address trial date right. now. that's penciled in for may. no one thinks that that's going to happen in may but laura, i mean, one of the big questions in that case is also his his claim of immunity in that case.

so it is almost certain that the judge there who's been very favorable to them former president, will ics will put that off as well because while the supreme court is waiting to hear this, it's not clear how she can go forward on a day. some of the questions that are pending their sounds like trump has gotten a lot of what he wants. to quote david, dj, khalid, all he does is win, win, win >> wow, matter what he's got to be happy right now. and that's what we've seen from him tonight. >> well, we will see and i wonder if deja khalil going to make an appearance that that would make this whole universe complete today in many respects, evan perez, thank you enjoys you take calif. laura coates live. i want to bring in rick hasen. he is a professor of law and political science that's an director of the safeguarding democracy project at the ucla school of law is also the author of real right to vote, how they constitutional amendment can safeguard american democracy. read, don't worry, i won't ask

you for some song you're going to saying are some artists we're going to reference the night and said, i'm just gonna get right to the heart of the matter. matter because you wrote this article today questioning why the supreme court took so long to decide to even hear this immunity case. why do you think they have taken this long? >> well, you know, the courts really an opaque institutions, so we can only guess. and so i came up with three guesses. one is there was some bargaining going on behind the scenes. remember there's a disqualification case out of colorado where trumped trying to be kicked off the ballot. maybe there was gonna be some horse trading there and it didn't work out. second thing maybe justice was dragging their feet, trying to delay things to run out the clock to help trump, most likely, is that the supreme court just goes on its own schedule and let's the chips fall where they may. and so if they decide it's this is when we want to hear to end of april, militia and opinion likely at the end of june. and if there's not enough time for trump to be put on trial well, for election interference before the election. so be it

>> and so it's just kind of i think not giving the american people all the information that they would want before they have to vote in november. >> i mean, so be it really translates to limbo, right? that's what you're leaving people in and doesn't just mean with respect to whether trump but it's also about the state of our institutions. i mean, the checks and balances. that's very much part of our whole democracy that seems to be on pause and the state of limbo as well yeah i think that's true. and especially because, you know colorado had its own procedure, they determined that trump was disqualified in their state to run and that's likely to be reversed given the timing that we've seen in the oral arguments supreme court, there the classified documents case been slowed down, to the extent that people want when it gets some judgment about trump's performance as president. something from the courts, something where a jury is going to weigh in that hush money case is really about his pre-presidential conduct. it's really not as serious as some of these other charges and so i

feel like with this step by the supreme court today, we are just much less likely you to know the full extent of what trump did as judged by a jury of his peers before, people have to vote >> concerning, i would think it would be concerning to say justice roberts, who knows the credibility of the court, the perception that somehow they are paving the streets with gold for donald trump or that they are somehow greasing the wheels. that's a perception that they've got a counter. and now this does to some feel like that >> well, you know what the court is likely to do, i think in the immunity decision, which they probably won't issue, as we said to the end of june, isn't going to cite against trump. so it's going to look like a big loss for donald trump. he can be put on trial. he does not have immunity. but because it's going to take months to hear things up, it's very hard for me to imagine this trial taking place in the

middle of the general election period when trump supposed to be debating his opponent and going out and campaign so we may run out the clock in the end after all rick hasen. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> now, want to bring in cnn legal analyst norm eisen, who was house judiciary special counsel in then-president trump's first impeachment trial. also here tonight, tiffany are right, a former law clerk for justice, sonia sotomayor. so happy we have both of you here. nice to see you. i mean, i wanna start with you, tiffany, i ms because the court itself, the credibility. >> i >> mean, it can't be overstated when someone believes that the court is greasing the wheels of delay, maybe not ultimately finding for him. that's a problem for the legitimacy of the court absolutely. i'm reminded of the moment and the argument and dobbs where the court overruled roe versus wade, where justice sotomayor says, how will this institution survive the stench? and there has been so much stench coming from the court since that decision. and frankly before

it, and i imagine that tonight chief justice roberts finds himself in a position that i don't envy, where i think part of what may be happening as he had two options. right. the court could have affirmed the decision below. there were probably votes for that. so just say no absolute immunity, period or grant a stay delay, delay, delay. consider it in the normal course. and so this may be somewhat of a middle position, a compromise that gets us still some delay that might interrupt the election, but not the permanent delay that perhaps some folks want it. so maybe that's a silver lining that this is somewhat a middle choice, but absolutely more stench coming from the court. >> i mean, more standard norm had turned you on that, but the idea of thinking about it, right, and typically has a great point in that you know, this court is not trying to cut off its nose to spite in space. at the same token though do you really think this court is going to come up with a different conclusion than the court of appeals on whether a president is untouchable >> the answer to the question

presented in today's order of whether and to what extent a president has immunity for criminal prosecution based on his official acts, cannot be anything other than no if they were to say yes in answering this question presented and i think part of the delay was negotiating, there's a lot packed in this question if they were too extend this immunity, they would be falling into the seal team six ordering assassination hypothetic. let's play that as i >> want to remind people, because every time we alluded to it, like i wonder how that founded and just think to yourself what that would be like. the voice of a supreme court justice. listen to this it a president order seal team six to assassinate a political rival that's an official act in order to seal team six, he would have to be and would speedily be impeached and

convicted before the criminal. >> yes or no question? could a president who ordered seal team six to assassinate a political rival who was not impeached he be subject to criminal prosecution. >> if he were impeached and convicted first. and certainly your answer is my answer is qualified. yes >> qualified, yes >> but >> can you imagine no, buddy? in the history of the 235 year history of the united states of america. nope, president has ever been impeached and convicted i know how tough it is because i was counsel in the first impeachment that is essentially sours answer was there's no recourse. if our president orders of political assassination and laura, you don't part of the reason that they are not going to allow this. because if trump gets back in office and he doesn't like what they do hilson seal team six, really united states supreme court, god, this is a

recipe for for dictatorship, but the substance is not the issue. it's the timing, it's the delay, and it's a question. are our democratic institutions in the united states of america in 2024, up to this challenge of autocracy that is represented not just by this position, but trump has. i wrote a piece this week hundreds, hundreds of statements that he wants to bring autocracy to america. he says at almost every day, tiffany, let me hear you from you because you have been a clerk at the supreme court under justice sonia sotomayor and i wonder behind the scenes what you think is the calculus right now as to why one it would take two weeks to decide to take this up and to what do you think they wanted a bite at this apple? >> well, i think the first thing i point out as we know that the court can move quickly when it wants to. so in when

the california's the colorado supreme court remove president trump from the ballot, they got the cert petition on january 3rd. they decided to hear the case on january 5, makes that argument for a month later. here. they get it. they sit on it for two weeks. they said argument for seven weeks later. so you have to ask what is the reason for the delay? and i think it is exactly what i said in the beginning is you have some members of the court who are willing to hand the election to president trump by delaying. others are not. and the question is, what wang is going to win? it was where are we going to come out? is the question in terms of today's think in some way, this was merrick garland's issue this was for the attorney general to decided long ago, we're in this tournament now in the sense of the timing up against a calendar that look, this isn't just off to us >> i'm not going to take the blame off of the court because they deserve plenty of it, but i will say that the department of justice baer, some of the blame, it should not have taken to eat plus years two investigate and get to an indictment on fats that we knew before the president left office, right? we all saw what happened on january 6. and so i think doj has to take some of

the blame, but i don't want to take the focus off of the shame and the game that the court is playing. >> it's very important to bear in mind the calendar, but also not just to look at the challenges and the hurdles, but the possibilities in the calendar. what happens will the supreme court decided this in usb nixon, they issued a decision in three three weeks. it's possible that they could decide it more quickly, could will judge chutkan when she gets it back, how quickly or slowly will she move? how long will the trial take? if she does move it up? it's too soon, too say that pessimism is the order of the day. we can be skeptical. it's challenging, it's an uphill battle, but there's possibilities here too. and i think it's very important that all americans speak up about that the

american people want an answer to this question? did donald trump abuse the powers criminally that he's seeking to regain? people are entitled to know the answer to that question when we're minds a grand jury wanted that question posed to an actual trial jury. we will see what happens. reminds him telling yesterday, exercise patients in the it isn't gratification generation, which i am a part that thank you very much. norm eisen, tiffany, right. nice to see. thank you for coming. what happens if the supreme court hands on trump that sort of get out of jail free card or maybe get out a trial free card is more ligand. next a man who can tell us michael cohen's here >> backroom, deals secrets of fares, bribery, corruption prostitution >> there's so much more to the store. united >> states of scandal with jake tapper sunday at nine on cnn,

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>> i'm fred pleitgen in teheran and this is cnn the supreme court will now decide whether donald trump may claim immunity in special >> counsel jack smith's election subversion case. arguments are set to begin on april 22. it's frankly just what trump wanted saying this on truth social tonight, quote, legal scholars are extremely thankful for the supreme court's decision today >> i want to bring >> in trump's former lawyer, michael cohen, is also a principal at crisis x, host of podcast mea culpa and political beatdown. and of course, the new york times bestselling author of revenge, how donald trump weaponized the united states department of justice this against his critics, michael, thank you so much for being here today. i have to get your reaction initially to this announcement from scotus. he thinks it's a win. many believe in fact, is for him just having the delay do you

think trump is nervous at all though, about why he wanted this kicked down the road >> yeah, he's nervous about everything and he has the right to feel so i mean, think about, i mean, here in new york, that's just one of the many legal issues that's currently lee confronting the former president. i mean, i think we can't ignore the fact that our attorney general or unsinkable attorney general, tish james here, just achieved a fantastic result in repatriating more than a half $1 billion back to the great state of new york. and more importantly, for thanking me for being a catalyst of bringing this case to the courtroom. so he has a lot of reasons to be nervous right now. and that's just one of them. let's not forget march 25th. we're starting now, the manhattan district attorney case, which is not civil, but criminal so yeah, he

may delay one, but the other ones is still moving forward >> i want to get back to immunity as one second, but you mentioned this case, letitia james was overseeing and trump has now admitted that he does not have the cash, does not have the cash to pay this 400 million hello, or civil fraud judgment. >> it all goes >> away at the core of whether he truly is rich and successful. and as, as rich as he says, he think that he is embarrassed by any of this, or is this part of well, savvy business dealings? >> well, of course, he's embarrassed because his entire net worth, the constant reiteration that i'm worth at least 10 billion, maybe even more obviously, goes to his id. his ego, his super ego. and that's now super deflated because it's just not true. they had to knowledge that they don't have it it wasn't that long ago that he stood on the stand and he told everybody that he was worth many, many,

many billions of dollars and that he has very low debt to two ratio to value ratio. and that he was very, very cash-rich well, we know that that's just yet another lie that was told by trump khuza'a going to do what's in the call, like jg wentworth and say, i need cash. now, how was he going to raise more than this half 1 billion that he goes in order to be able to file an appeal well, the judge granted him the ability to apply for loans, again, from new york banks, but you make a good point. can he find a lender who wants to do business with them? >> well, that and that's something that everybody needs to keep an eye out for. where is he going to get this money lenders will not give it to them. number one, there's outstanding mortgages on these assets. they don't want to have to be in a position to take the assets and then start to sell them in order to recoup

their money. it's a big job especially in light of the market right now. but more importantly, what we need to really watch out is where the money is going to come from, is going to come from saudi arabia is going to come somehow back-channel from putin or some other autocratic alleged friend of donald trump. that's the most important thing because what but it does is it jeopardizes america's national security for you can go all the way back frankly to the beginning of his presence, alterman, there were questions about monuments, questions about his tax returns, a source of income. this is really coming full circle in a way of the accusations. but let's get back to this immunity issue because it's a really big one today. i remember not too long ago, people would say they were gonna be a part of his administration because they wanted to be the so-called adult in the room. if that happens again, if he is president again, i'm not sure who that would be but on the question of immunity, michael, what do you think a second trump term will look like if he has? >> absolute immunity

>> it's going to look exactly like what we see takes place in russia with vladimir putin or north korea with kim jong un, or in china with gigi ping, it's going to be exactly the same thing. the america's democracy that we have, that we have grown to love. and the beacon of the world as it as far as democracy is concerned, will be lost because again, i don't want this to come off sounding hyperbolic from michael cohen, right? former personal attorney to the president these are the words of donald trump himself that on day one, he wants to rewrite the constitution on day one, he wants to destroy the tripartite system of government to get rid of the power of the legislative branch and the judiciary and confer all power onto the executive branch, meaning

himself, will he pardon himself? absolutely he will. and who's going to be there to stop him? the sick of fans that are going to sign some sort of pledge, your loyalty oath that he's going to require of everyone that's going to work in any sort of position in his administration? this is not the america that we all grew up with. i can assure you that. >> well, that's the big question, right? you're talking about absolute immunity. it disrupts the very notion of checks and balances. it turns his back into well, exactly what i thought the founding fathers did not want in terms of monarchy. and that goes for anyone who's in the white house. michael cohen thank you so much >> really good to see you. laura >> now, if trump were granted absolute immunity, what would that mean for our system of those very checks and balances we were talking about when the white house be more akin to a kings council, will discuss what's at stake next

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being accountable by either one. i believe the senate was not was right. not to grab power. the constitution doesn't give us i want to bring in maryland democratic congressman glenn ivey, a member at the house judiciary committee, is also a former federal prosecutor, is or just counsel to senator paul >> sarbanes during the whitewater investigation, the perfect person to have and talk about this. you heard mcconnell talk about it's after the court's really but of course their argument says no, no. >> unless you convict, it can't he up to the courts. and here the supreme court is grappling with it. >> yeah, i guess mcconnell didn't realize how many times donald trump is going to be indicted. but here we are. and the irony is that this is sort of the recipe to a totally escape accountability by the trump team. so they raised that argument when the impeachment trial we're moving forward now. then they argued that he can't be criminally charged unless he's been impeached. and now they're just they're saying he's got absolute immunity. so

it's it's incredible, it's very disappointing. supreme court took the path that it did today. i can't say i'm shocked, but it's it's tragic. give the direction that the court's taking these i mean, a circuitous path or the cruise ship right away when jack smith first as we know, it was going to get to the supreme court right. now. they did it in this moment in time. but the irony for me looking at minority leader mitch mcconnell, talk about this and leave it to the courts. well, the supreme court is comprised of the people that's on it now so it'll be the most recent nominees. because merrick garland is the ag, not as supreme court justice. >> yeah, i mean, mitch mcconnell had a huge hand in that donald trump took full advantage of it as well. and i think it's unfortunate that we have the court is divided biden, and slanted basically as it is right now. i think this is the most political and partisan that i can recall. the court in my lifetime. and it's having an impact because they unfortunately, this is the time we've got a president who's willing to test every limit, push, everything, push the

envelope break every, you know, whatever he's doing. all of those and i think they're going to have with that three supreme court cases with trump right now or something. and, you know, you all showed the trial, the court schedule that's coming up and he's already got the sexual assault finding, the fraud findings, all that stuff, and he's not even halfway through. so bad merger between a permissive court that i guess feels like there's things that needs to do for donald trump, like let the clock run out and a guy who will take every advantage and abused every process. >> let's follow that thread, congressman, because if donald trump were to become the president is aids again, or frankly, anyone here's the president. and any point in time, what happens to checks and balances if a president gets absolute immunity, your job becomes obsolete. frankly well, and it becomes dangerous to, i suppose, i mean, the judge pan at the dc circuit court level said, when could the president have team seem

seal >> team six to assassinate one of his rivals? and they wouldn't say no. i mean, they basically said a qualified yes or something and upsurge it's astonishing, but that's where they live. left it. they also didn't rule out other possibilities that the court noted like, you know, bribery, for example, one of the real wind, so that's in the indictment was the fake electors that they were going to swap out at one point. i don't know if this is in any of the indictments or not, but he was talking to esper the secretary of defense since then, milley, the general, and talking about that, having them seize ballot boxes so, you know, this is a guy that was pushed back by some of the people who were there at the time. but if you give them carte blanche like this, and the supreme court approval, basically, i don't know that he's going to recognize any lines. in fact, if he gets reelected, i don't know that it'll recognize any light finds anyway, what's interesting to me about what you said in particular is you remind us that in all the cases that are being talked about, no one's

talking about the underlying allegations, right? with fani willis. it's about his qualification and it conversations in mar-a-lago. it's about immunity in the january 6 case here in washington, dc. again and similarities to that they're not talking about what the american people want, which is the conclusion by a jury as to guilt. >> yeah, there's a lot of people and reasonably so who wanted to want to know whether he's guilty or not of those charges, from my perspective, just the mere fact that these allegations are there and substantiated lead he's beyond it to a probable cause standpoint. is more than enough for people to say, you know, i don't think we want this guy in the white house. again. but for some people, they want to know what that verdict would be okay. i think they have a right to hear it, i suppose. and i think it does make sense to resolve these cases, especially that one prior to the election. so supreme court taken two weeks to make a decision about where they want to hear it or not, that setting the oral arguments seven weeks later, talking about issuing a ruling

in june, when if you look at say, bush v. gore, where they did all of this in a matter of weeks altogether and i think the turnaround between the oral argument and the ruling was like a day or two. they should be doing that here. this case is similar. in fact, it's just as important, if not more important than that one. i think there's a real sense of urgency that's lacking on the court's part right now. >> that's okay. i mean, democracy is just in the balance out. why be urgent? didn't there's very why, why have we urge it now. thank you for being here. i appreciate it so much. thanks for having me on top of the supreme court taking up the issue of immunity. there's another state that's not kicking trump off the ballot. so what are the voters are going to make? all of it? we'll talk about it next >> eliot spitzer, blade he used to trail that had him in spitting distance of the white house right up until the moment he set himself on fire and crusading governor by day,

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about this. and that's an impact for voters, is it not? >> i mean, it depends on which voters you talked to. you both know i live in a red state, so they all think this is all politically morning provided one data point that i noticed the other day. this is a great article that i was in the hill noble predictive insights did something on arizona voters you saw right? >> now hazard both neuronal, what >> okay? >> well, but in that poll, i agree. i agree. arizona less than 10,000 votes for joe biden are in that margin. and all of the voters there are aware of the charges, but they're split on how this works. 30% think it's politically motivated, 35%. thank he didn't do anything. >> 34% were actually she waiting to see the results of it. so we really don't know what we don't know. it's depends on when you talk >> to and it's interesting his member in our own cnn polling, we saw this in january. we started to see people as we were asking the question. okay. if he's convicted, how do you

feel and people said that it would change their vote? npr, pbs, npr did a poll that showed 51% of likely voters. so all parties, both parties would vote for biden if he's convicted. so it definitely gives biden a bump. but to your point, laura i think it's it is a big deal that people won't have the answer to a really important question that they deserve to know before they cast their ballot. in terms of too many of us, we think it's pretty obvious what happened on january 6, but there's a lot we don't even know and that's part of why i actually think even if we can have the resolution of the case, i think that information that will be coming out as it proceeds, hopefully that will at least give people an opportunity to have at least a picture of what was going on and what was his role. >> can i say just one thing, just as an outside observer at all this, even though so i minored in criminal justice at rutgers. so i think i'm a lawyer >> there is a lot, right?

exactly. rucker's. there is probably a lot of people that have been watching this network or other networks and dc so many legal analysts and almost see it sounds so much an overkill of it, but it's like i don't understand any of this i want to wait to see when it plays out and in that same poll, there was like 40 to 41% of moderates that we're saying, you know, i'm just going to wait for the process to play on. let me see what the courts decide before you. we think it's wild. no weight, but they want to wait. >> and then a couple of wood poles, people said they wanted to see what the court what happened well, i have my own paul, i can join the nerves okay. >> let's there you go you the cnn poll. it was whether there was a verdict before 2024. check this out. the question was should have federal trial. on trump election charges be resolved, resolved before 2024? yes. some said it was essential 48%. yeah, but not potential sometimes, know, and 25% that it doesn't matter. now, again, that's just the idea that being resolved, not starting with the calendar we have right now. so

i wonder if for some who are supportive of trump also would want this to be resolved because then it just puts it in the rearview mirror. you know, he's going to be able to sort of yes, with his hands at the end the day. >> but if his >> campaign is we're kind that is currency. you can't get if it's resolved >> correct. although >> thankfully since are what, 91 counts >> he's something's not going to be resolved on reversed. but you're exactly right. i mean, he has made it a centerpiece of his campaign and the other thing about trump, though, it's pretty baked in if people i think how they feel about him, what they think they know about him as pretty hard and i think what is probably malleable again as those moderates and independents who we haven't have him tweeting at us all day every day for awhile. it's when they start to hear and remember the chaos that i think it may shift there. >> i agree. i got asked this the other day about are we seeing something right now with all of the voters that are turning out like is this indicative of the larger no, of course, these are republican

primary voters. it's negative 27 degrees. i got to go vote for now, trump like that may not happen in the general when it comes to moderates and independents and the data is proving that right now. now, joe biden has his own stuff. we've seen what the forget the name of the vote that happened in michigan uncommitted. >> thank you. that's right. everybody should know that after watching you too last night put on a clinic of that so uncommitted vote, we're seeing that how that's going to play out, how that's going to affect what takes turns with hamas just not agreeing to a ceasefire, like all of these things are going to play themselves out. >> so i do wonder that balance, which has the harder held to climb, biden on foreign policy, trump and his legal issues will have to wait and see karen. karen mike. thank you both so much. >> next the story. i don't want to get lost in the trump of it all tonight. the ones that won't use his name tonight. >> because after this very sorry to hear about your father

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