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on cnn it's friday, march 1, right now on cnn this morning actually >> unfolding right now is the funeral for alexey navalny. it is getting underway in moscow. there is a heavy police presence standing by as mourners mass outside more civilians killed in gaza as ceasefire talks, which a critical stage president biden, facing a real dilemma here, how much longer does he stand by israel? the way that he has so far. and a florida judge preparing to set a trial date for the mar-a-lago documents case what the trump campaign is suggesting. >> that's ahead >> all right. it is 06:00 a.m.

here in washington. here is a live look at capitol hill on this friday morning. good morning to you. i'm kasie hunt. it's great to be with you. funeral services for the late opposition leader are set to begin now, the hearse carrying navalny's body just arrived at the church of the icon of the mother of god in mind moscow. we've got a live look at the cemetery there right now, hundreds of mourners are gathered outside along with a large police presence. when asked if the kremlin had anything to say to navalny's family today kremlin spokesperson, dmitry peskov told cnn, quote no, we have nothing to say we were supposed to have cnn's matthew chance at the site of navalny's funeral service. however, his signal appears to be blocked. cnn's chief international correspondent, clarissa ward, is joining us now from london. clarissa, we were able to have matthew talk with us a little bit earlier on in the show,

show us some of those crowds outside the funeral. i mean, the world is watching what are you watching today? >> well, at the moment, we're not able to watch very much because as you say, it appears that that live signal has been jammed. that's the same situation facing navalny's team, who had also been putting out a live signal from the church. we have seen scenes though, as you mentioned hundreds and hundreds of mourners lining up for many city blocks for an opportunity to attend this funeral and to pay their respects to the slade opposition leader alexei navalny. i think many people are bracing themselves for the possibility you talked about about that heavy police presence of some kind of crackdown if those protests i'm sorry, if those mourners attempt to protest in some way, shape, or form, it's worth underscoring what an act of

bravery it is just to attend this funeral, which is frankly a very tense some potentially dangerous place to be right now. and the other thing i think is worth mentioning, kasie, is that today is as much about who is not there as who is there, who is not there is alexey navalny's daughter, dasha his son, zahar, and his wife, yulia navalnaya, who has been speaking publicly and boldly against president putin since her husband was killed. she just addressed the european parliament a few days ago, she met with president biden in san francisco while she was visiting her daughter last week, who was a student at stanford university, and she has indicated that she is really going to take the mantle as it were as, you know a leading force in russia's opposition. but very telling that she is not there today. and of course one can only presume just how dangerous it

would be for her to even attempt to go back to russia at this stage, casey? >> yeah. i mean, very, very abundantly clear there. clarissa this is going to be a day for personal remembrances of navalny. i'd be interested to know yours. if you're willing to share them. >> so i think when you i had the fortune to interview and spent a bit of time with alexei navalny a couple of months after he was poisoned with novichok. he was in germany. he was in recovery and he was preparing to ultimately go back to russia to be in his presence. was definitely something where you understood implicitly that this was not an ordinary person, that this was someone who had an extraordinary force around him. he was determined, he was willful. he was courageous. he was also very charismatic. he had an excellent sense of humor. >> he

>> was very humble, at least on the surface, and it was very easy just to spend time with him. he didn't have any errors or any formality about him and i think that's really what set him apart in so many ways from president putin, is that he seemed like an ordinary guy in many ways, with a loving, happy family. but underlying that was a courage and tenacity and an optimism in the face of some pretty dark and deeply cynical forces that i certainly have not come across many times in my career. >> yeah. >> all right. i'm gonna i'm gonna bring in our panel now to broaden out this conversation with us, we have josh rogin, washington post columnist covering us foreign policy, national security, also the also the author of chaos under heaven. cnn political analyst, white house reporter for the associated press, seung min, kim sarah longwell, republican strategist, publisher of the bulwark and host of the focus group podcast and karen finney,

democratic strategist and cnn, political commentator. welcome all. >> josh >> rogin, let me start with you clarissa noted just the bravery of the people that are there today. what do you see when you look at them, when you understand how many of them are willing to risk their own freedom to come out for that. and what message that sends to us in the west right? >> well, i >> think first of all, the fact that putin is blocking the public, or at least trying to block the hook of watch. this funeral exposes his lie that he doesn't care about this, right? kremlin says no comment. putin famously won't mention navalny's name. he says no, he doesn't have any support. well, if he's not so concerned than yz deploying thousands of police to arrest hundreds of people, blocking the world from watching it. so just from that, we can see that putin is lying. now. what i think it shows is that despite the technology can we see this again in china and saudi arabia? lots of places. that's used to suppress these

voices. these voices are persistent that despite the fact that we in the west may have forgotten, in a sense in our own politics, why people value sort of democracy and human rights and freedom. maybe we don't, americans don't think it's our role in the world anymore to promote these things. the people in these countries are not going to stop. they're going to keep fighting for their own dignity, whether we help them or not in russia, in ukraine, in china, you name it and to me that says that we should probably help them because eventually they will struggle to get their dignity one way or the other. eventually, all dictators die. one way or the other. and eventually the struggle for human dignity will succeed. and i feel like in the west, we have an opportunity to be on the right side of that history, whether we realize it or whether it's popular in our politics, have this moment are not, well, i mean sarah longwell, we've been on that side of history since world war ii. the end of world war ii. but it's fraying and it's that's a nose while part due to donald trump. >> yeah. look, the republican party has changed a lot over

the last ten years or so, is donald trump has become ascendant, but there is nothing. it is a more shameful distillation of who the republican party has become. then its total capitulation to vladimir putin, russia. the fact is, right now, their bravery for the bravery we're seeing from the volley and his supporters is in direct contrast to the cowardice that we are seeing from this republican party, who refuses to stand up to donald trump and donald trump who refuses to stand up to putin and as a republican who grew up as a cold war baby and ronald reagan tear down as well. yeah it is around reagan would be spinning in his grave watching this right now. and it is shameful >> i want to show a little bit this christiane amanpour is wonderful team had, had found this former australian prime minister talking a little bit about what he observed in terms of the relationship between vladimir putin and donald trump. i want to just play a little bit of that. and again, let's underscore the, these,

these pictures outside the church for navalny, you can see how people have have mass there as again, are cnn signal is blocked. but watch how this again, someone a world leader who had a chance the observed donald trump in vladimir putin together, watch >> i mean, i've been with trump and putin trump is in order of putin. he's when you see trump with putin, as i have on a few occasions he's like the 12-year-old boy that goes to high school and meets the captain of the football hero. >> it is really creepy. it's really creepy now and i'm struck you at the time. >> absolutely. it struck everybody. it >> was it was like it when you could tell it was great, the creepiness was powerful >> karen finney, here's what's so powerful about that is it's obviously yes, the capitulation

of the republican party is horrible. but in the context of this campaign, i hope that these images serve as a reminder to the american people that is what donald trump thinks is power. that's what he believed. that's what he wants to emulate and i think we should not forget that. i think it's important that here in america, i think it's easy for us to dismiss that for most people going about their day-to-day lives, don't think about it. it's a severally, however, those images of those people who were seeing standing so they are literally risking their lives to be there. that is how dire this is and this is a man not only there, but as we're seeing in the ukraine, what he is doing and those images need to remind us that that is what donald trump wants to emulate. that is what he thinks power looks like and his job gosh said, it's cowardice having dealt with putin on the periphery when brittney griner was taken, i was honored to be part of her team it was this

was leading up to i will say i mean, she was taken in february of 2022, but we knew as the he midterm elections, we're approaching part of his strategy was to make president biden look bad with black voters because one of the things that the russians are very good at is figuring out where the cracks are and how do you exploit that to create divisiveness and division. so one of the things we were i'm able to do was to pull together a coalition of african-american leaders, civil rights leaders, and god bless them because, you know, folks like reverend al sharpton, they know how to do anybody. >> but >> what we all want they understood that we had to show strength and support for the president because showing too much distance was actually going going to make it harder to get her back. that's the kind of three-dimensional chess you have to play when you're dealing with a mad dictator who is holding someone really for

no reason other than to embarrass the united states and that instance. >> all right. i want to quickly show we have a little bit. it's not very long because again, and we've been dealing with the cnn signal is apparently blocked for matthew chance's live shot. our reporter, matthew chance, who is on the ground. >> but we do >> have a little bit of video we can show you of the hearse arriving and just listen to what you hear as you watch this so these seung min are the kinds of images that it seems that russia probably doesn't want us to see, right, right. and it is >> you really do see just how the, the, the power of putin and that relationship with donald trump really influencing so much domestic politics here. and as these guys receive these powerful images, i think you would have seen a broad

condemnation of what putin did and how he, how he runs his country from the leader of the republican party on down. but that's not what you're hearing from donald trump. i mean, his comment on navalny's death was mostly about himself, whereas other leaders in the gop's said, this, this is a haar, this, this is putin's doing that was not donald trump and he has certainly, obviously the leader of the republican party right now. and republicans, other republican officials are just really try really finding it hard and impossible to condemn those actions, even though privately, you and i know they disagree with what the former president is doing here. yeah, they do. josh and that could make it even worse right now, trump and his allies are helping putin win in ukraine directly by thwarting the aid, right? and that's what's going on, is that putin is killing ukrainians because they are out of ammunition because the maga republicans won't pass the bill. and so that's a direct aid to our enemy and perhaps in return for some favorites to be repaid

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now, the funeral for alexey navalny is unfolding. we were expecting navalny's team seemed to provide us with a live pictures a live feed from the service, but it is currently not available. it is not showing live coverage. and matthew chance, our reporter on scene, his signal also apparently blocked. we were able to hear from matthew chance earlier in the 05:00 a.m. eastern hour. we're going to continue to work to get as much as we can from this scene and bring it to you as it unfolds. but again, we don't want to speculate as to why but these signals currently blocked that here at cnn. we are going to go to another story today, a crucial hearing in florida that could determine the trial date for donald trump's classified documents, case the special counsel, jack smith, now requesting that that trial start on july 8 trump's team is arguing that a fair trial cannot be held until after the

2024 election. but then they offered up their own date of august 12. that's obviously before the presidential election joining us now from fort pierce, florida, cnn, senior crime and justice reporter caitlin polantz, kaitlan. it's wonderful to have you. can you just explain to me what's up with these conflicting dates is august 12, versus actual after the election and doesn't interact at all with the timing on the elections version trial >> well, there isn't an election subversion trial set right now in casey here in florida, this trial was set to go to trial at the end of may this is the classified documents case against donald trump and his two co-defendants. and nobody says that they are ready to go to trial in may. and so everybody has to propose new dates. that's what's going on here. jack smith's team says july, we should be ready to go just after july 4. and the defense teams, they're saying dates of

august and september, they have to propose something because they already tried once with this judge to say, we don't want to have a trial at all before the election. and she said, no, that's not how it's going to go. we are going to put some dates on the calendar. so they proposed some dates but the way they did this very cooley is they have put into their filing very helpfully for the judge. all of the dates of primary elections for donald trump and other candidates potentially between now and for the rest of the season. and so the judge is going to be looking king at both her calendar, the calendars of the justice department and the defense teams, as well as now, she has before her, the political calendar there nudging in a way to get her to take into consideration all that he has to do as the likely nominee of the republican party okay. >> we can i ask >> you, speaking of the likely nominee, the republican national convention, where they will actually select the

nominee is currently set for july 15 to 18th. if jack smith gets his way, this trial is going on during the convention, republicans are going to have to nominate someone likely who is on trial they're august date he'd already be the nominee do we hear anything about that? and these filings >> well, kasie, i am really looking to see what the judge is going to say about that especially we have already had one judge tanya chutkin, also a federal judge in washington, dc on the 2020 election case for trump >> call. he >> campaign activities, his day job, and saying that whatever he's doing with the campaign that would need to yield politics. we need to yield to the justice system. we're going to be watching very closely to see if judge aileen cannon here in the southern district of florida is going to have a similar view. does the criminal justice system come first? does his responsibilities as a criminal defendants standing trial, is that something that donald trump? if he's going to need to do, even if it's in the

middle of the republican national convention or in the middle of the campaign season, where he would be much rather be very likely somewhere else than sitting in the courtroom hi, yeah. >> can't when you and i were talking about this yesterday, in terms of the reality that he can only be on trial. in one place at one time because he has a right to attend the trial. can you just give me a sense, someone i don't cover this closely the way you do. how long do you expect the actual trial to take, right? like once they started, how many weeks are we looking at before any other trial could start? >> well, that >> is always up in the air because trials can go in a lot of different ways. sometimes they can get dragged down, sometimes they can go more quickly depending on the presentations that both sides want to make. but in this trial, we're looking at a month or longer that is how all of these trials are looking like for donald trump, at least the two federal cases against him that the prosecutors are putting together cases that would take a couple of weeks to present, and then there would

be time for a defense case if trump's team would want to do that as well. so this would not be a one or two day thing. this would be something that would last hunger, and then add onto that in the front end jury selection and in the backend jury deliberations. and you're looking at something that would be longer than a month. almost certainly >> okay. >> kaitlan poll lance, you're gonna have a busy year. thank you very much. >> appreciate it. are coming up next here. defense secretary lloyd austin squaring off the congress over his failure to inform the white house about his recent hospitalization. hospitalization plus the incredible power of oprah, how her latest business decision really slender eyes, a company's stock frank sinatra had connections with the mafia and all these nightclubs were owned by the mob. >> you didn't want to make those guys that he was two hey guys the story of sin city. sunday at ten on cnn >> here's to getting better

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today at four on cnn >> you can hear that mourners chanting navalny, navalny. here's the live look that we do have at moscow. in moscow, where the funeral of putin critic alexey navalny now underway. that's the cemetary where he is going to be buried. good morning to you it's always wonderful to have you with us we can show you this photo. two of navalny's coffin being carried into the church of the icon of the mother of god in moscow hundreds of mourners are gathered outside along with a large police presence. when asked if the kremlin had anything to say to navalny's family as they mourn him today? kremlin spokesman, dmitry peskov told cnn, quote, no, we have nothing to say. cnn's chief international correspondent clarissa ward, is

with us now clarissa, what does it say to you that were unable to see this funeral? we were expecting to be able to watch a live stream provided by navalny's team well, it says to me that the kremlin is not taking any chances. they know that there is a huge scope for today to turn into something big because there are so many hundreds of people, so many brave mourners who have taken the risk to show their grief and their support for alexei navalny's. there are huge amount of riot police outside that church. there is also signal jamming reportedly going on our own colleague, matthew chance has not been able to get up live. navalny's team who had been we're putting out a live signal on youtube have not been able to continue that. and you can hear the chants of the crowd, kasie, the crowd saying navalny, navalny, they're saying we're not afraid. and

you are not afraid. that's a play on a slogan that navalny himself uses. you say a lot, yoni, but yusov, anybody it is. i'm not afraid and you shouldn't be afraid and so this is a day i think where the kremlin is potentially afraid because it's not only supporters of alexei navalny who were there. we know there are some dignitaries there. we saw an extraordinary still photograph of the us ambassador to to russia in the uk ambassador to russia standing outside of the church in the face of this wall of riot police. and we have heard from the kremlin spokesperson from putin's spokesperson, dmitry peskov, warning people about any quote, unauthorized memorials so definitely there is a sense of heightened tension the kremlin does not want this to turn into some kind of a larger protest or protest movement. and navalny's supporters understand that we heard from his spokesperson kira yarmysh

saying, listen, this is just the beginning of harder times and harder struggles ahead >> harder. indeed. i'm going to broaden our conversation out here to the panel is still with us. josh rogin, seung min, kim, sarah longwell, karen finney josh in terms of how clarissa was characterizing this about now being afraid and what's ahead. >> what do you see? >> right? well, i think there's two different audiences for this type of rushing crackdown. one is us. eventually, despite the livestream being cut off, we're going to get the videos. they're going to get, we're going to find out the people in the west, people in open societies are going to get this information. the other crackdown the aim to add the russian people and that's the one that's actually a lot more serious. that's the one where putin has a lot more control. and if he's able to minimize the impact of this demonstration of these brave people coming out to risk their lives to show support for not just navalny, but for what you've represented a different russia, a russia that is part of the world or russia? that

treats its citizens like human beings. if he can stop 90, 95% of russians from saying that that's his main priority and that's what we have to be honest about, is that the situation inside russia is getting worse and that bodes poorly for us because as the russian people become more isolated, they're more willing to believe that zelenskyy is nazi and we have to attack ukraine and donald trump's grade and all this other nonsense that putin is putting out that doesn't mean they're going to stop. it doesn't mean that we should stop supporting them but we have to acknowledge the fact that this kind of crackdown bodes poorly for vladimir kara-muza and other russian opposition leader who writes for the washington post, who got a 25-year sentence for protesting the war and countless other people who are in a new russia, a russia that's even worse than it was before. and unfortunately that's going to get worse before it gets any better. >> well and karen finney, i mean, you've worked on again, helped helping to get brittney griner home? yeah. we've dean,

evan gershkovich, 300 plus days being held. there's the ballerina, the american russian american ballerina, who was seized. how does that i'm playing >> and paul whelan >> here's the thing, particularly in this modern era. and i visited russia in the '80s and then again as a tourist and then in the '90s as part of the clinton administration and the vast difference. and now that we live in an era of social media it's yes, the crackdown inside is what's more deadly and dangerous at the same time, the truth will get out. and that again, with the situation with brittney, just as all the people we met tension we've seen images of them. we know what's going on and thankfully, we've been able to communicate with them. so we have a sense of what they're going through. we have a sense and were able to tell that story and put apply that sort of outside pressure putin not unlike donald trump, doesn't seem to have much shame about the way he treats people. but at the

same time, again, the fact that we are able to see for ourselves makes a huge difference in at least our ability to apply pressure from the outset. >> sara, we have we can put this poll up about the us and how they feel about helping ukraine in the war against russia. because again, as josh noted earlier in the show, we can't pull these things apart. 35% of americans say that the us is helping ukraine too much. that's a big part of why we're seeing what we're seeing in terms of not being able to get it through congress, what's going on there? >> yeah. so this really comes from both donald trump and the right-wing media telling republican voters that ukraine is corrupt, ukraine is bad you know, donald trump hasn't liked volodymyr zelenskyy sends volodymyr zelenskyy since he tried to leverage him with that perfect phone call and linskey declined to go dig up dirt on joe biden and so donald trump likes that. vladimir putin doesn't like zelenskyy wants to help putin sees putin as

somebody who helps him. and so donald trump and right-wing media infotainment ecosystem along with people like tucker carlson have been actively working on republican voters now for a long time, i do these focus groups all the time with voters. and when the, when russia invaded ukraine and the beginning, the voters were on ukraine side. these republicans voters, they talked about the grandmothers who were putting the sunflower seeds giving them to the soldiers so that when they die, when they were shot by the ukrainians, sunflowers would grow like they admired that, they admired their gut instinct was to admire the bravery of the ukrainian people who are fighting for their land. but after two years, almost of the republican media and donald trump working on them, the voters are now out on ukraine, but i listened to them. they say, no, we shouldn't be sending money. we should be focusing on the border like they've really been able to do this thing where it's now note that's america first there. this is what, how they'd america first working is. no, we have to protect our border. we don't care about these people abroad clarissa ward, can i bring you back into this conversation? what sara

was just outlining there about why this is happening in the us. how does that materialize in terms of how you see the world and what's unfolding of for zelenskyy and ukraine and the potential outcomes here and the ramifications that has for decades the calm well, this definitely feels like a watershed moment, right? i mean, you have ukraine fighting for its life russia feeling certainly emboldened, if not smug, president putin had said all along that ukraine's allies in the west would not be able to play the long game, would not be able to basically suffer for a protracted period of time in terms of economically and financially, the support that they've been given ukraine. and now as we've seen with this sort of embattled bill in the house, it's become clear that there's some truth to

>> from our colleagues and soldiers on the front lines and ukraine who emissions to fight effectively against russian forces at this stage. and then against that backdrop, you have the death of russia's most well-known and well-respected opposition figure, one of the very few people who really had an ability to cut through the noise, who had an ability to galvanize support, particularly around younger russians. if you look at those crowds so many young russians and the boldness to kill alexei navalny. now, we don't know exactly how he died, and we may not know. we know that there are people

trying to investigate that and getting to the bottom of that. but there will likely be a lot of noise and misinformation and disinformation around it but it clearly would not have happened if alexei navalny was not being held in an arctic penal colony and it does feel like this kind of a dramatic moment where everyone in the world is watching to see what happens next. does putin get? way with this? does ukraine fall to russia or parts of ukraine fall to russia? does rushes opposition just get quash? is there any room any longer for democracies like the united states to provide a bulwark, to provide support, to try to erode those types of authoritarian forces. and at the moment, it doesn't feel that way >> josh. yeah. well, i think it's sad that 35% of americans don't feel that we shop ukraine, but the other side of that is that 65% of americans

feel that we should or even trying to help them more. so you could look at it that way and see that actually the maga, republicans are the minority there they're, they're weaponizing a minority of americans to change american foreign policy against what has traditionally been if you put that ukraine bill to the floor of the house right now, it would pass overwhelmingly. so we just have to remember that this is actually a minority opinion america, in america, but the tail's wagging the dog so i'm going click less thought, right? right. and if you drill down and public polling, you see the really fascinating divide between political parties because you do have republicans and majority of republican voters have consistently said for the last several months that they're doing, that the us is doing too much to support ukraine, but the ap had a poll out this week that has democrats who are right now saying, we're not doing enough to help ukraine's to see that almost kind of reverse with the dup parties when you're hearing democrats say we're not, we need to do more to help us military operations abroad has been a really fascinating switch. i'm sure a lot of that is coming from president biden.

he has made foreign policies such a big part of his presidency. he's meeting with the italian prime minister again today where he will again, i'm sure press congress it's the past that ukraine aid bill. >> all right. very, very important conversation to have this morning. as again, alexey navalny's funeral currently underway in moscow, were unable to see that live at we had expected there to be a feed from navalny's team, but that signal has been blocked as has the signal for our matthew chance, who is on the ground covering this for us in moscow. we are going to take a quick break here, coming up next a key hearing in georgia to determine whether or not da fani willis will be disqualified from donald trump's election subversion case. plus, remember this an update on the man who leapt over the bench to attack a judge. wow, i had actually forgotten about this. that is crazy. okay. we'll have that coming up next >> vegas store, your same city sunday at ten on cnn. >> the only godaddy arrow helps

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15 that is in the context of whether there should be a 15 week abortion ban. this came after the new york times times had previously reported that he had privately expressed support for a 16 week abortion ban. our panel is back with us karen finney, you are watching this. what's i mean, he acknowledged this is a huge problem for republicans i go in there if that's true because he's trying to run away from his record on the one hand, he wants to get credit with the far-right conservatives for having put people on the court that bravos the dobbs decision on the other hand, he recognizes frankly ahead of most of the republican party, something that we in the reproductive rights movement realized about five or six years ago, which is that people in the middle they're not so that he's wrong actually about the number of weeks because increasingly where americans aren't or they've shifted over the last ten years. that's right. eight in ten americans support roe v. wade. is that women should decide and all of the horrors that we said would happen when dobbs fell have been happening you've seen

women criminalize doctors criminalized. but the last thing i want to say is in 2024, it's not just about abortion, it's going to be about reproductive freedom, which again is how we've been talking about this in the last year. they're going to go after contraception. that's the next thing that's coming on the hill. mike johns is not going to let it get on the floor because of his own history. they're going after for ivf, and now we're talking access to abortion so two things. one, that is frightening to the people who say, wait a second, this is a slippery slope. what other of my rights could they take away? >> and >> secondly, that those three issues hits such a broad swath of the american people in terms of whether it is you're taking contraception for various reasons. you want to use ivf to have children access to abortion. i mean, think about the case in texas where the woman needed wanted to have an abortion, in part to preserve her ability to have another child exactly. >> know it was remarkable. sarah longwell, as previously noted, you spend all of your time talking to voters about this, this idea that trump

might get behind a 15 or 16 week national ban. what does that mean? >> when the rubber meets the road with voters? >> yes. so first of all, one of the things about donald trump on abortion that is distinct from the republican party is that voters read donald trump as a social moderate they do not see him as the pro life type like mike pence, he was or like his whole career before i would voters say is they'll say like, i think he probably paid for an abortion like that's what voters say. i don't say that voter said >> but i think, hey, look donald trump should talk about abortion because this is bad for the republican party anytime they're talking about abortion and they're not talking about the economy or the border. those are the good excuse for them, abortion battle for them. and also because it splits the party, it splits the party between the mike johnson types who doesn't want a 15 or 16 week ban, he wants nothing. he wants to go on offense against ivf and on birth control. donald trump is actually he has a better understanding politically of where americans are then the far right flank of there republican party. and so trump,

i think sometimes smartly triangulates against them to lean into this socially moderate view that a lot of voters have of him. but if he starts doing this, getting into an argument over how many weeks that lets the party has been talking about, it puts them in a tougher position and a ban is a band. remember, they tried it but in virginia to do 15 weeks and the voter said no. >> yeah. yeah, no. seung min i mean, just quickly we can put up this ivf ruling a snap poll from axios and ipsos, 45% of americans strongly opposed at 21% somewhat oppose the alabama embryo ruling. that of course, caused ivf clinics to shut down across alabama you cover you've covered the president like kind of day in and day out in the administration mean, what do they see in this? >> i mean, they see, first of all, a way to continue to make the point that it's not just abortion, it's about broader reproductive care of broader health care for women that is really at stake. that has been stakes since the dobbs decision

since the dobbs decision in 2022, but it's also at stake in this november election. and that's the contrast they want to create. they look at those comments from donald trump and they see that clearly as political gold. and they also, and i've just been fascinated with republicans a year-and-a-half later, not be able to grapple not just with the political consequences of the dobbs decision, but substantive consequences. it's not just abortion, it's not just, you know, 12 16, 20 week bands or whatnot. and you really saw that with the ivf ruling republicans who signed on to that legislation saying life begins at conception. they didn't think about how this would affect really popular procedures like ivf, and they're really trying to scramble to reconcile that a record now, but there is a record there that voters and democrats can point to know it's a good point >> all right, this been a wonderful discussion. thank you all for joining us today. it is about ten minutes before 07:00. here here on the east coast, here is your morning roundup summary arguments in fulton county today to determine from

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>> extent nevada man caught on court video leaping at a judge in early january. >> he says he >> doesn't remember the incident and he's pleading not guilty by reason of insanity. deobra redden is facing a slew of charges, including attempted murder. his lawyer says he was not on his medication all right. this just in the funeral of alexey navalny has taken place and we've just gotten the first image of his body lying in an open casket his body now being carried out of the church thousands have gathered chanting. navalny, the name navalny, a, hold on. let's just pause and look at that. >> this is our our >> it's an image >> of alexey navalny at his funeral in moscow. the first chance we've got gotten to look at that, that open casket, just a remarkable image here

this morning. all right, let's bring in north dakota governor doug burgum. he joins me now from bismarck, north dakota. he previously ran against trump for the republican nomination, but has now endorsed him. governor, very grateful to have you here this morning. >> good morning, kasie. great to be with you. >> governor. i want to start with this picture that we just saw of alexey navalny at his funeral at which has concluded in moscow. what do you have to say about the death of alexey navalny? donald trump has the man you've indoors for president then has not spoken about alexey navalny in a laudatory way since his passing in a siberian prison, what do you have to say about the death of alexey navalny and what it means for the west well, i think it's clearly this is a pattern of putin. putin is a murderer >> he, it's basically a country that's not the way we would think about a country where you've got a president who's elected. i mean, it's

basically a large criminal organization and putins at the top of it. he's been stealing from the russian people to make himself one of the rich just people on the world. and he's eliminating enemies like a mob boss >> do you think that donald trump should speak more forcefully about the positive role that you say navalny is playing. >> well, i think that's up to president trump, but i think what clearly we're in this situation where biden with his policy of appeasement is put us in a position where the entire world is less safe and whether it's lifting oil sanctions on iran, whether it's green lighting, a bunch of dictators around the world with our business well, withdrawal from afghanistan, or whether it's the time when we had an opportunity to support ukraine immediately and help them when instead of biden ever saying we're gonna help when he's been saying we're going to stay as long as it takes and americans have a timeline where they say, maybe we should be focusing on something else. so you have to tie it all back to energy policy because putin would have

never invaded ukraine in the first place if we hadn't allowed all of western europe to become dependent on his natural gas because of a biden policy to try to kill the us liquid energy business governor. >> just to pause our conversation briefly, this is our signal is back on the ground in moscow. it's a shaky signal. this is our crew there. you can see matthew chance's face, so we're going to keep an eye on this and we may need to jump to it in a second, but let's continue our conversation about what is unfolding here. you mentioned ukraine, the energy issues around it funding. for ukraine currently stalled in the united states congress. do you believe that funding should go to ukraine >> well, i think it's stalled for a couple of reasons and it's back to what you were talking about earlier on the hour, which is the border is there's a group of americans that are saying quite simply, they are not foreign policy experts, but there might say, hey, look like why are we helping with somebody else's border when we can't take care of rs and joe biden has been the bismol 10 million plus people coming into our country illegally, which is unfair for

the people that are trying to enter legally. and in 2016, this was about immigration. but in 2024 are the borders about national security. and it's about public safety and everything every american is feeling at every state's a border state. everybody understands it. the 330,000 overdose deaths under joe biden, i mean, when we were campaigning, you could we couldn't go a day without meeting someone who lost a family member to fentanyl poisoning governor, >> there, the ukraine funding was tied into a bill that also did address border security. it was a bipartisan bill that passed the us senate. it died in the house in no small part because donald trump has been pretty open about the fact that he didn't want it to go forward in no small part because it might address some of the problems at the border in an election year when obviously republicans are much more trusted on the immigration issue among voters than democrats are. >> do you think >> the senate passed bill that would address border security and ukraine funding? should that be passed by the house of representatives?

>> well i think it's we're gonna rule run out of time on cable tv channels to talk about how bills that have died in the house. i mean, this is one of the narrowest margins we've had between the two parties, and neither party wants because it's because the house speaker won't put it on the floor. should mike johnson, republican house speaker, put this bill on the floor? >> well, i think that's up to speaker johnson on how he wants to manage it. because as you know, there's always gives him take here, but there are this is a it's an election year. it's going to be politics. and so that shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. but what we need to say is over the next four years, are we going to have a leader that's going to make the world more safe and more prosperous. like we under president shrub, or are we going to have a world going to chaos because starting with us policies around energy, which are allowing places like iran to fund terrorism around the world, allowing putin to, he's made more money on energy during the last few years, the war, this is profitable for him to be the war he's not fighting over. how does he fund and he's made making money

because he's selling all of his oil and gas to china. he's become china's just count gas station. so at the end of the day the entire role is becoming less stable because of biden's policies on the border on energy and on our economy >> briefly, governor, before i let you go, and we just were discussing what donald trump had to say in an interview with sean hannity yesterday about the possibility of him backing a 15 week national abortion ban. >> do >> you believe that the republican party should push for a national ban? i know you've said in the past that this is an issue that the states should decide where do you stand today? >> same place. i mean, absolutely. i mean, this is a very clear in our constitution. there's certain responsibilities that are delegated to the federal government that are narrow, and the rest go to the states. and this is one that needs to be decided by the states that i'm opposed to a federal ban at any level, it ought to be decided by the states do you have any concerns that the bill in the

abortion legislation in your state that you signed that sets six weeks >> as the threshold might be one, that could create unforeseen problems like potentially what we've seen in alabama with ivf i don't think it's going to cause any problems. i support ivf, but in our state, i mean, again, the thing that was passed by our legislature that i signed last year replaced a much more regressive 2007 trigger bill. so even north dakota, which is very conservative on this, was moving towards a position more towards the middle well, with legislation >> all right. governor doug burgum of north dakota, governor, i'm very grateful to have you on the show. i do hope you'll return. we can talk some more about what might washington what your future might look like here in this town of washington. thank you very much. >> thank you. thank you. kasie. >> all right. >> thanks to all of you for joining us. i i'm kasie hunt. don't go anywhere. we are still monitoring live events