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>> so we have to, we have to be thinking about that. it's not
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flute important. >> thanks very >> much for watching. i will flutter in the situation room. the news continues next on cnn i'd front next back in court finding willis making a surprise appearance in georgia >> courtroom where trump's allies are doing everything they can to get her kicked off trump's election interference case and decision tonight. rest with the judge who could announce his decision at any time. will be removed. willis possibly end that case. plus thousands of russians from all over the country bravely turning out for alexei navalny sputum snipers watched from nearby. >> and russian state television >> totally ignored all of this exclusive guess. the director of the oscar winning i'll give it to the fbi. is it from china? >> let's go out front >> and good evening. i'm erin
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burnett out front tonight. bonnie willis back in the courtroom, the fulton county district attorney, making a surprise appearance as trump allies were making their closing the arguments tried to get her kicked off. the election interference case in a heated hearing. willis, his lawyers accused trump's team of harassment and embarrassment of expedition to get her removed from the case because of allegations that her relationship with the top prosecutor created a conflict of interest and misused taxpayer money i want to make clear to the court and that i did the law in georgia suggest and is very clear that >> we can demonstrate an appearance of a conflict of interest, and that is sufficient once you have the appearance of impropriety under forensic misconduct, the law in georgia is clear. that's enough. to disqualify >> well, that's the trump argument. willis's lawyers, though pushed back and they did it aggressively accusing trump's allies of twisting the facts the defense has to show
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an actual conflict. and in this instance, they have to show the actual conflict would be that ms willis received a financial benefit or game and did it based our got it. based upon the outcome of the case. he doesn't make any sense. >> now, to say the stakes are high is a serious understatement in this case, right. willis, this case against trump could collapse if she's disqualified a new prosecutor could change the charges, dropped them entirely, or take a lot of time to get up to speed that is why willis walked into that room today and tonight. it is anybody's guess as to how the judge in the case will decide it is a crucial decision. and nick valencia is outfront. he is live outside the courthouse in atlanta. and nick, how is the district attorney's team willis's team feeling about her chances to stay on this case? >> well erin those close to her, tell me that fani willis doesn't think defense attorneys for the former president and
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his allies reached the threshold to disqualify her, but washing her attorney argue it was clear that he got bogged down in the legal weeds and technicalities and i have to tell you from where i was sitting during some of those arguments. it was clear but the judge seemed incredulous >> these people, your honor, is a systematic misconduct and they need to go one after another. >> i think, you know what, when you see it, >> defense attorneys pushed for fulton county district attorney fani willis to be disqualified from former president donald trump's georgia election subversion case. >> if this court allows this kind of behavior to go on the entire public confidence in the system will be shot. >> willis is arrival during a short break in the hearing, took the courtroom by surprise. she nodded and rock back and forth her chair as the state argued why she should stay on the racketeering case. >> a mere fishing expedition. >> the defense claimed willis
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and the cases special prosecutor, nathan wade, started dating before she hired him for the job. >> she put her boyfriend in the spot, paid him, and then reap the benefits from it, and that she benefited through meals and lavish trips he paid for know, she's received a personal financial benefit of over $9,200 in this case that she can't account for. >> the lead attorney defending willis said she paid wade back in full, arguing this has been an effort to harass and embarrass willis >> an actual conflict has not been shown. and more importantly, all right? in conjunction with that, there has been absolutely no evidence that the district attorney has benefitted financially at all. >> willis sitting at the prosecutors table, just feet from her attorney as the judge questions several of his arguments for why there's no grounds to disqualify the da. >> there is a relationship and that money is changed hands there's maybe still an open question of where the ledger stands. but i think it was
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conceded that that balance could run in one way or the district attorney's favor is that contested >> yes. >> what's what's not contested? is that our relationship did develop last month. >> willis testified she started dating wade after she hired him and denied any impropriety. >> these people are on trial for trying to steal an election in 2020. i'm not on trial no matter how hard you try to put me on trial, willis has asked multiple times to bring trump's racketeering case to trial as soon as possible. and the hopes of settling it before for the presidential election. but for now, the weight continues. >> that was hoped to have an answer for everyone within the next two weeks >> and so now we wait for judge scott mcafee, who as you heard there, said that he's going to have his order in the next two weeks. he did tell the court that he's going to have to get through some legal issues, make some facts she will determinations. but it is going to take time ultimately,
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though, aaron, he's going to have to decide what is the threshold for disqualification. is it an actual conflict of interests or simply the appearance of one aaron? >> all right. nic, thank you very much. and outfront now, ryan goodman, outfront legal analyst, michael isikoff, who has spent extensive time with willis this n her team for his new book, find me the votes. a hard charging georgia prosecutor or rogue president, and the plot to steal an american election. and van jones, former special adviser to president obama, ryan, i hope to have an answer in the next two weeks. i can't really find the word quickly of had to describe the look on his face but here we are. you have said repeatedly that if fani willis is disqualified, the case could be in major jeopardy for several reasons, right? which way do you think the judge is leaning? >> it seems as though the judge is leaning not towards disqualification and leaving it instead to a question of discipline for other authorities to determine bar or whatever. >> yeah. and that there'll be other consequences for the da,
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but not taking her off the case necessarily, at least not by him. and it looks as though that's partly because there's not really a strong presentation that there was a conflict of interest that's one of the pieces that in some sense when unrebutted by the prosecutor's side, quick follow, not by him or someone else who could take her off. and when how would that play out? >> so it would probably play out over the next several months in which she would be investigated by ethics oversight boards, and commissions. and there are also there's a new commission that's about to be empowered in all likelihood by the legislature in georgia they could come down on all sorts of questions and not just about conflict of interests including whether or not she was truthful on the stand so this doesn't >> go away even if she remains on think there's a cloud over her now for several months. all right that that is ominous even if it does continue. and but michael, i mean, in that room, the judge did seem to rattle the lawyer for willis office. you could see that in the way he there's sometimes sort of stumbling and then willis
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walked up as i just showed you there, handed him notes during his presentation and you heard nick valencia saying at one point, the judge seemed incredulous at the arguments being made by the lawyer. the da tells nick valencia she was not pleased with his approach and thought she was going to stand up and say something herself. >> okay. >> you know, these >> individuals, what is your read on what happened in that court? from the reaction >> i am totally sure that fani willis was itching to get up there and argue her case before the judge especially because mr. a. body was stumbling a bit. look, judge mcafee has has earned a reputation for being pretty easy. even handed throughout this. and i think he showed that today in his sort of evenhanded skeptical questions for both sides during the when the lawyers for the trump defendants were making these assertions about how willis had a personal interest
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in the case and that the evidence joe's that they began the relationship before they testified to before she hired nathan wade the judge was a bit skeptical. he said, what's the personal interests when they when they kept bringing up terrence bradley's text messages, he pointed out there's nothing in that text knows text messages that say how he knows where when the relationship began and any other details about it. and he pointed out that ashleigh merchant, the lawyer, didn't lock him in, didn't go sit down and probe for the answers to those questions and get affidavit. but at the same time when andrew body, the lawyer for the da's office, got up there and the questions came about the state of the law and whether it's actual conference conflict or an appearance of conflict >> he >> mccabe pushed back on the argument that appearance was
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not an appropriate standard, and i think that's where this ball is right now. it's not an actual conflict the trump lawyers haven't proven that by any means. but if it's an appearance which is kind of a loosey-goosey standard. it just looks bad. then fani willis could be in trouble >> and to that point, van appearance of a conflict versus an actual conflict. that is really what this is about. actually beyond that courtroom. the public perception, even if the case goes ahead, what is now the public perception? >> well, it's unfortunate. i mean, this is the case that people felt strongly about. they thought it was strong, they thought she was strong, and also, even if trump becomes president, he can't make it go away because the state case and so the fact that people went digging around in the garbage can and found some stuff and now they're throwing it on her and say now you're dirty. that's the way the game gets played unfortunately. but i think the judge has to make a
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really strong decision because first of all, highly consequential for the country. yeah, second of all, it's not it's not clear. it's not clear to me that the level that the conflict of interest is not she's got some extra reason because its relationship to go after donald trump it's what is the conflict of interests about, and that's where i think he's got to whether we served pretty damaging to a relationship. if you're in it in your hiring someone as a favor and then you've tried to hire someone else and someone else after that and someone else after that, then finally you settle on the guy you're dating. i mean, that's that's what it would be. so that is some perspective, ryan. but to that point, you have said that the cell phone data that was obtained by a private investigator hired by the trump team is what could be the most damaging. it shows a 35 occasions in which his phone was hitting a cell tower near where she lived in the wee hours the morning, i suppose in 2021, that's obviously before she hired wade and is also before they said the relationship began willis, his
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lawyer said that this doesn't indicate anything about whether they were dating. here's how well, i think that's the point >> i would say, yes, that is the point he referenced that that's an area that he was not uncommon for him to be in. ms willis and mr. wade never denied that he had been to that condo before the, specific testimony that was elicited by ms willis and mr. wade was that he never he had never laid his head. was the direct quote at at that condo, which these records don't prove that he laid his head anywhere? >> willis seem to be smiling as he was making that argument what did you think about it >> i thought there was a pretty awful place to be blunt. yeah. yeah. >> for a lawyer to be to be saying, hey, look he only said he didn't lay his head there but yes, they might be evidenced that he was there for several hours in the middle of the night from like 12, 30 as
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he left before the morning? >> yeah. so that is not where you want to be and some sense, even if something is technically true. and yeah, i'm sure it's technically true that he didn't lay his head there that is not where you want to be there could still be alive because you've misled everybody by saying i'm suggesting we're there overnight right. and that's what this cell phone evidence is strongly indicative of. an haven't really rebutted that. right. and the text messages as well, i mean, i didn't mention those, but the thousands of those >> all right. thanks very much to all of you can catch more by the way, of van on this sundays the whole story he travels to his home state of tennessee to explore how the state's politics have transformed ahead of super tuesday and van airs at eight and outfront next, trump also back in court today, trying to delay the start of his classified documents case. but why are his lawyers now pushing for an august trial date? >> that could >> lead to a verdict well before the election >> how come? >> well, the former trump white house lawyer, ty >> cobb, will be x plus incredible images of bravery tonight. thousands risking
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there. and the hearing touched on a number of issues, perhaps most important, when the trial will actually begin jack smith's team has asked for that july start. trump's team asked for august 12. now, according to our katelyn polantz, who was in the courtroom, trump barry looked at jack smith and the proceeding not more than once or twice the entire time front now, ty cobb, the former trump white house lawyer so ty of course, the judge in this case is aileen cannon, nominated to the bench by trump. she has thus far issued decisions in this case that have been friendly to him, but, you know, we don't know what she will do at this point. you follow the hearing very closely today. what did you make of her comments today? did you get any insight on our thinking? >> so i think what we heard from her today sort of at the end of the end of the hearing >> i'm told. and based on the reporting, was that she had a comment. there's so much to do. that's not the last time we'll hear that. she'll do it
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again when she delays the trial. repeatedly to get beyond the election. >> i think it's the richest thing that happened today was when she said you know pointed to all the motions that were pending as a reason for why it was going to be difficult to be paired well, jack smith and his team proposes schedule months ago that would have resolved half of those motions and had the case ready to go on a schedule that would have ended before. now and she rejected that and she delayed all the serious work that is necessary under the classified procedures act. so i think the trial mild aid, even the trump proposed today is highly unlikely. i think they only propose the august date as a chess piece in the dc case, they would love to have her schedule august date, knowing that she'll move it to
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hold off jack smith in dc. and i think that's i think that was their game plan. and i think that they're likely to succeed in that day. >> i don't want to say are being fatalistic. i know you're being honest, but it is, but it's a grim assessment. but i think important the way you lay it out, that they don't meet august 12th. they they they're using as a chess facing something else, knowing that she'll delay it even further. so that's not a real date from the trump team. i did mention katelyn polantz is reporting from inside the courtroom and she was in there. she saw trump tie appear to grow impatient at 03:00 in the afternoon. that was a five-hour hearing. so it was just before it ended. he started to get impatient but obviously it was there by choice. it's a long time for him to be there. so he began shaking his head according to her reporting, as doj prosecutor stood up to deliver his closing argument before that, she said people in the courtroom seemed a bit more relaxed than it prior hearings at one point, judge cannon even let her hair out of being pin back at one point. so just maybe sort of a more casual set
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of interactions what do you make of that? that there was that sort of calmness, but then trump choosing to be there the entire time. >> well i think he was there the entire time, basically as a complement or waved to her. i think he recognizes as does most of the litigating world that yeah she has really gone out of her way and that got her rebuked by the 11th circuit to favor trump in these proceedings. and i think he wanted to repay repay the favor by showing up and yeah, the absolute right to be there. but he didn't have to be there also, i think in terms of dynamic at 03:00, and that's sort of that's a long time for him to go without a diet coke. so i can see why he might be cranky, but he probably was mostly cranky about what the government was saying in terms of the political schedules are
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irrelevant. this, case is trying to go we can get this case done. these issues that they're raising in terms of wanting to do these fishing expeditions with federal agencies, is unprecedented and they haven't established any evidence that would justify such a fishing expedition. even though she's said she would entertain it i think trump doesn't like it when the government speaks and the government gets its way. >> all right, ty, thank you very much. appreciate your thoughts and how good weekend my pleasure. thanks, erin. >> all right. >> next, defying putin, huge crowds showing up as alexey navalny was laid to rest. more than 100 people were detained. navalny's close friend, who was wanted by putin is next breaking news. we are learning tonight hi a commercial fisherman off the coast of alaska have now found what could be another spy balloon >> i am not guilty. i am
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all those people choosing to do that. at this hour, 115 people have been detained. the kremlin saying had made its word to arrest any show of support for navalny taking action. in fact, russian television barely mentioned any of what we are showing you tonight. mass demonstrations on the streets. it's a big deal in russia, didn't see it on state television. the kremlin in a statement saying it has nothing to say to navalny's family as his wife, yulia, alleging a navalny was killed on putin's orders at a penal colony in front. now, navalny's close friend, the investigative reporter christo grozev, he exposed the plot to kill navalny with novichok on that airplane. he is on putin's wanted list now, also with me, daniel roher, the director of the oscar winning cnn film, navalny i am glad to see both of you, although not under the circumstances, were talking tonight >> christo, you >> had to watch your friend laid to rest today and to see his face the images were incredibly moving. >> what
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>> what stuck with you the most >> well, i think it was the closure of the disposed of disbelief, but i heard this from many, many bresson who spoke up on bbc radio settles with them the important moments today was two-fold. one was they finally realized that they both still not where it was in fact lost, become a very tense. they saw him that at the second thing that everybody felt was the hope is not because what everybody oh would happen, people would come in their thousands or tens of thousands did happen. and this means that here is not there forever. and that can be there can be stated with people can follow. alex days to own legacy and advice which was don't give up the fact that they're trying to kill me means that they're afraid of us to take that fear
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dan, you you spent a lot of time with navalny making your film and i want to ask you about something that happened today >> specifically, which is the music. the music that was played was music that navalny had chosen for a funeral that unfortunately he knew very well could happen. >> and he was buried >> to a song from his favorite movie, terminator two and a spokesperson wrote, daniel alexey, consider terminator two the best film in the whole world, referencing the scene were honored schwarzenegger sinks into the vat of the molten metal, gives a thumbs up i know too many. it may seem like just a theatrical moment. it was very symbolic to navalny, right >> yeah, erin, i'm i'm laughing right now because alexa and i would have debates about this. he would say terminator two is the greatest film ever made and i watched it last night in his honor. and today, i am agreeing with him. terminator two is the greatest film ever made, and it's particularly symbolic. the theme of that film is
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there's a famous quote in the movie, the future is not set the, there was no fate, but what we make for ourselves, it's about agency and spilt being brave and spilt being strong in the face of unimaginable opposition in odds. and that et idea, that notion is what i'm carrying forward. and of course, playing that song and evoking that film is so alexei so of course have to be crying and smiling at the same time because that's in the spirit of navalny. >> and christo, i know that you right now are doing everything. you are dedicating everything of yourself to find out out exactly what happened to your friend and so i want to share what navalny's close aide, maria pevchikh, who of course, you know, very well, said in a bombshell video that was posted on monday here she is now, why did they shoot me? >> navalny was supposed to be free in the coming days because we had achieved a decision on his exchange. nutshell, if you want to early february, putin was offered to swap the fsb killer, jim krasikov, who is serving time for murder in
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berlin for two american citizens and alexey navalny yeppo with sheila, i received confirmation that negotiations were in the final stages on the evening of february 15. on february 16, alexei was killed christo. >> have you learned anything more >> it's hard to find out what exactly happens in terms of decision-making but one of the hypothesis, the one that maria espouse in that video is that within let everybody believed that he was willing to go along and negotiate. possibly a swap alexei navalny for an assassin who is serving a life sentence in germany because putin's stepped in to kill a refugee in 2019 but that the reason for him to negotiate this only to send a message at the end by killing navalny to the rest of the world. that there are no red lights for him anymore, that he will not stop at anything and it's part of the bluffing game with that is true. it's part of his bluffing game to cause the west
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to cost the united states to believe that he will stop stop at nothing in ukraine and to stop the west from arming ukraine. >> this is a >> very plausible scenario. this is what what is typical for somebody from the kgb background like that. like putin. but what we do know at this point is that there's almost no innocent hypothesis. there's almost no scenario in this was in which this would be a natural that there were one of the, one of the things we discovered was that there was a discrediting campaign against yulia navalnaya's that started about ten days before the murder. and this campaign was amplified on the day of the murder. and this suggests that they had been planning for this and they knew that yulia navalnaya would take over from alexei and that they needed to prepare a character assassination campaign. this all points to other evidence such as the fact that they are withholding the body world with holding the body for 90 days before handing it over to the parents. all of this point in direction of willful
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assassination fasting what you say about ten days before they start this campaign. and on the day of the escalation daniel yulia did share her grief for the world today. a video of special moments. with her husband saying, i don't know if i can handle this or not, but i will try his daughter, dasha who we all know paid tribute to her father's saying she promises to make him proud. but neither were able to attend navalny's funeral. his son couldn't go his brother couldn't go. it's not clear. they'll ever be able to go to russia. again and yet despite all of this navalny loved russia then if we were conversations with him what do you think about the fact that he now has his final resting place there >> you know. erin what you just said moved me deeply and, i'm feeling the sadness of this moment. i understand that aleksey's being laid to rest about 20 minutes. a 20 minute walk from where dosha, and
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zahar grew up in this small apartment where yulia and alexey raise their children and i think that's fitting. navalny wouldn't want some giant state funeral. he would want to be with the people. he would want to be in a community where his family can walk to see him into visit him because they will go back one day. aaron yulia because the har and dasha will go back to moscow one day and i hope to go as well and i hope to go visit alexei one last time >> thank you both very much. and tonight vladimir putin under fire, we've got incredible new video into outfront shows the moment that ukrainian soldiers came under heavy russian fire as they took up positions inside what was once a house. it comes as putin has made his darkest and most specific threats yet about using nuclear weapons against the west front. now, the retired lieutenant general ben hodges, the former commanding general of the us army, europe,
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and a general. it is wonderful to be with you in person. i know obviously usually you are joining us from germany >> so putin has threatened to use nukes more openly than he ever has in his speech that he just gave warning of the destruction of civilization. those were his exact words. how serious is this to you >> will, of course you have to take him serious because he doesn't care about how many innocent people might be killed. but i think this is continuation of his style of using threats bluster, because he sees how we overreact every time. there's no upside for russia. if they use a nuclear weapon, zero are president has told them, but there will be catastrophic consequences for russia if they use a nuclear weapons. so really, for the kremlin, their nuclear weapons are most effective when they don't actually use them because we deter ourselves, we over react.
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>> so the financial times, max seddon had this great report earlier this week, he had obtained intelligence documents showing the russian in threshold for using nuclear weapons. and it was much lower than anybody thought. in fact, making the navy more effective was actually a justification for using a nuclear weapon of some sort stopping aggression was a definition which of course could be defined anyway, one wants to define it. are you surprised that the threshold? hold at least when they're written documents of what they say is that low >> will. that is lower than what i had always believed but you have to be skeptical whenever you have a russian document what's the purpose of this document? how did how did we get this? and again, i think this is part of an effort by the kremlin to make us be wearing and it works to halt ukrainian more. it works because even the administration which has done so much and the german government, the top two
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contributors, are not willing to say we want ukraine to win. our objective is for ukraine to defeat russia and i think this is tied to their concern. >> so treasury secretary janet yellen says there's nearly 300 billion, $285 billion in frozen russian assets. she's saying that should be sent to ukraine. and obviously you've got the congressional money on hold obviously $285 billion in frozen russian assets, that massive amounts of money. >> but >> how much of a difference with something like that make even if you had small portion of it >> that's do quick math here. that's about four or five times the size of the aid package right now that we're all waiting to get through. so that would be an enormous boost for ukraine both for for purchasing what they need to win this war, but also eva reconstruction. but it also would be useful because it would send such a strong signal to the russians that there are consequences for what they do. and right now, a lot of the
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people around putin have not really felt the consequences for supporting him. >> and so you think that'd be a good idea >> absolutely. >> all right. well, general, it's great to see you and thank you. thanks for the privilege and next, breaking news a year after the us shot down the chinese spy balloon, we're now learning that alaska fishermen tonight have discovered what could be another spy balloon the chinese coast guard, with a major show of force around a key us trading partner tonight >> we've been out on this vote for less than two hours. we've already seen at least four chinese coast guard votes what does it, omar >> she didn't need me to have deliver this in the mind summit. >> dave card, you got the name nimarata, even for october. she is in now so of took days doing he counting to even them. what do i eat more than a captain
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investigation. so that's where we are now as tensions between china and taiwan are reaching a fever pitch, china's coast guard showing force around a group of islands controlled by taiwan within spitting distance of the mainland gland will ripley is outfront just off the foggy coast. you're taiwan's frontline. ji-min islands, the chinese coast guard intercepts a taiwanese tourist boat. taiwan's coast guard calls it an unprecedented forced inspection triggering panic among passengers and the public. >> it was very scary. i was afraid that i might not be able to return to taiwan. >> these are the waters where that incident happened, where the chinese coast guard boarded the taiwanese tourist boat and checked everyone's id, spoofing a lot of the people on board you can see how close we are to the skyline of the chinese city of shaman. there are chinese construction boats all throughout these waters.
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pretty easy to mix up. which side the chinese side of the taiwanese side, you're on. when you're this close cross strait tensions rising here ever since the lunar new year holiday a chinese speedboat capsized in a chase with taiwan's coast guard similar to this one, several years ago, chinese fishing boats accused by taiwan of trespassing the islands territorial waters more than 1,000 times last year alone hi, tina. so >> she has the speedboat was snaking, trying to evade inspection and even drifting. it capsized and four people fell into the sea. >> two chinese fishermen drown, two others survived, telling a conflicting story. >> even if we make quick turns, we won't capsize it only capsize when it was rammed into an infuriated beijing accuses taipei of covering up the fishermen's deaths. chinese officials blamed taiwan's ruling party reiterating
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beijing's sovereign claim over taiwan, promising to step up patrols in the area taiwan is deploying its own coast scarred in response analysts say the mainland may be testing how far it can push taiwan trying to erode its ability to control waters long governed by taipei we've been out on this vote for less than two hours. we've already seen at least four chinese coast guard boats including that one right over there, which just made a u-turn, our captain says that means they're monitoring us just like we're watching them rattling the nerves of taiwanese tour vote operators. do you worry that this could be the place where there could be the beginning of a bigger conflict between taiwan and mainland china >> to be frank, i'm concerned, but this is not what all people want. which there is conflict. both sides would be devastating >> both sides watching what happens next surging tensions on the taiwan straight,
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>> he describes it as contracting and then relaxing his brain it takes concentration. >> it's a >> pretty involve process. it's one, i don't take lightly >> this is all been pretty sudden for mark. >> he was >> diagnosed with als in 2021 mark has since lost control of his hands and arms. he would likely lose his voice. mark didn't hesitate to sign up for a clinical trial to have this placed in his brain it's called a stent road >> the one thing about this disease is it affects your physical, but not the mind to me, it gives me the opportunity to be able to continue to do things that i'm able to do now just by thinking about it in the world of brain-computer interfaces, or bci is, it is still early days. in fact, up until recently, it's mostly led to monkeys being able to play pong but synchron was one of the first companies in the world to get fda approval for human trials and mark is one of
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those first humans it's all the brainchild of this man dr. tom oxley, text messaging is a really critical element of how we communicate with their family and friends. now, so that's usually what people mostly want back. >> then that will test. >> so you just sent a text. i did that's pretty cool. you simple. yeah, pretty cool. >> dr. oxley is a neurologist who first started thinking about the possibility of brain implants while in his native australia. >> for people who have got paralysis or motor impairment, but they have that part of the brain's still working. then if you can put a devicing, get the information out of the brain than you you can turn what previously was a signal controlling your body into a single the controls and digital devices. >> the centroid is the device that oxley and his team at sink ron created. it's a cage of thin wire mesh with electrode sensors that can detect the
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electrical brain activity translate that activity, and then transmitted to devices such as a phone or computer. >> it's amazing. it's all i can say. >> and just like a stent, it doesn't require open brain surgery. instead, it's able to travel through the body's natural network of veins instead in a major vein, right in the middle of the brain. >> this is the actual deployment. now, i even tried my own >> hand at implanting one. >> keep pushing out the same lesson slow there we go. so you that's >> deployed on top of the brain inside the blood vessel >> think the procedure went well, went well. >> it was your first attempts and i practice and you landed it perfectly. >> the procedure is minimally invasive and you can't see the device just by looking the stent road is threaded up through a vessel along the neck. >> right here. you can feel a little cable that's actually connecting that stent to a device. it now sits right underneath the skin here and
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it's from their signals are sent out that can help him control these devices in his environment. >> our brains >> have billions of neurons firing electrical impulses that control our movements everything from shaking hands to taking a step each and every one of those actions is associated with a specific electrical signature the stench road, which again sits right here around that area of the brain responsible for movement learns to recognize those specific electrical patterns. and essentially creates your own personalized dictionary of movement. >> what can a bci, not one myth for bci is that it can read your thoughts. i mean, there's any billion neurons in the brain and you'd have to be watching all of them to have some sense of the complexity that's going on inside the brain. basically, i was just take a snapshot of particular domains of function. >> what we're looking at on mark's angiogram here, this is the actual stents road.
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>> dr. rollo and the gara implanted the stent road into mark brain. >> if you read want to cure a problem like paralysis you each shoe specifically read the signals from your motor cortex from the center of movement in the brain. >> previous generation, bci is tried to measure brain activity from outside the skull but newer generation bci is including the one from elon musk's neural link. attempt to sit right on top of the brain. the stench road is sort of in-between electoral make this comparison of going through a concert or a symphony listen to the brain outside of the skull or concert hall. and the music sounds garbled, difficult to hear if you're too close you only hear one instrument. but by sitting in the center of the brain, like the centro does you can hear the entire symphony more clearly >> i hope, is that in the next
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five to ten years, you're going to see this in the patient citing it's a hope for patients for the future and a chance for mark to continue living a full life. >> now tell our nice, ready for a tournament. >> the brain control >> interface, pong tournament, exactly sanjay joins me now. i mean sunday this technology is incredible. i mean, it would obviously it completely changes mark's life and others like him one thing that stood out to me though, is that it obviously takes such an incredible amount of concentration to make this work. and if you have competing thoughts are contradictory thoughts which seems to sort of a human failing for all of us. >> how does >> this technology deal with that >> yeah >> well, personally i gotta tell you now even as a neurosurgeon myself, i learned so much about these brain-computer interfaces. i mean, we're all learning, but one of the things to keep in mind is even after the devices and planted it takes months to
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accomplish exactly what you're talking about. aaron he had an implanted than several months later when they actually started to try and control things in his environment. and during the time in between, it's focusing on actually developing that concentration understanding how to actually think about something, and have it result in an action. it's not how we are programmed to do things. we lift our hand, we do something right away here. you just have to think about it and recognize that that's going to result in some sort of outcome. so it's not immediate. you're going to hear about these implants being put in but then it will be months before you here about them actually doing something for the individual because they need to train over and over again for months. >> all right. sanjay. thank you so much >> got it. thank you. >> such an amazing story, an amazing to see sanjay actually doing brain surgery. and of course, i getting it right. well, thanks so