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>> tonight on 361 of jack smith is central witnesses in trump's classified documents case going public for the first time, talking exclusively with cnn's kaitlan collins about what he says was his role in moving documents, the federal government was trying to find also tonight, meet that who uncovered how senator katie britt, missy misleadingly turned one woman's 20-year-old sex trafficking horror story into the centerpiece of her indictment of president biden's border policies today. and later, what is wrong with this picture her princess kate and her kids. she now says she edited herself. but that story is only raising more questions. the royal palace had hoped to quell that evening. thanks for joining us. we begin tonight with breaking news a cnn exclusive, what the man known as trump employee five in the federal classified documents indictment, thinks of the case against his former boss. his name is brian butler, and he's been talking to investigators and now he's talking to the sources kaitlan collins, who
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joins us from miami. so why is he speaking out now kaitlan? >> well, anderson, in part because he's worried that americans and voters will never get to hear this story before the election in november. obviously, trump's legal team has sought this strategy of delay, delay, delay, especially when it comes to the classified documents case. and so this witness, someone who was a longtime employee at mar-a-lago for 20 years, is now speaking out publicly because of a concern that that it may not come to light. i mean, donald trump has repeatedly called this investigation a witch hunt. brian butler, who until now was known only as trump employee number five, is now saying that he disagrees with that. he doesn't believe it's a witch-hunt and he was able to provide key testimony to the special counsel, jack smith here, including about key moments, including one where walt nauta, who is trump's body man, turned co-defendant, asked him to help load boxes onto a plane that was bound for trump's club in new jersey from palm beach as the fbi in trump's attorneys were meeting
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at that time at his mar-a-lago club? >> and then what happened is walt left before me and he never goes directly to the plane. he's either in the motorcade when he goes there with the boss, which the former president and i remember telling him he left the club with i didn't know what he had in his vehicle, but he was waited for me at a nearby business and i told him i would tell him when i was leaving mar-a-lago so i left mar-a-lago. i texted him, hey, i'm on my way >> he followed me. he pulled out and got behind me. we got to the airport. i ended up loading all the luggage i had and he had a bunch of boxes. >> you >> noticed that he had they were the boxes that were in the indictment, the white bankers boxes. that's what i remember loading. >> and did you have any time any idea at the time that there was potentially us national security secrets in his box and no clue no. i had no clue. i mean, we were just taking them out of the escalate piling them up. i remember they were all
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stacked on top of each other and then we're lifting them up to the pilots and anderson, one key point on this, kaitlan polantz and i have been reporting on this story for months, if not over a year now. and when it comes to those documents that were taken to new jersey, that is something that was we were pursuing investigators were pursuing it. it's still not clear to this day where those boxes that went to new jersey ended up? course, we know a lot of them were taken from mar-a-lago during that search that happened in august of 2022. but the ones that went to new jersey, it's still unclear where exactly they went. >> and why did butler decide to get his own attorney rather than using one of the trump's attorneys that's a key difference because you can see basically the divergent paths that a lot of these witnesses are taking when it comes to who is paying for their attorneys for brian >> butler, it was important for him to pay for his own attorney here, even though he was offered a trump world attorney, he had that offer made to him and after he got a subpoena to appear before the grand jury,
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which as he noted, he has done for a significant amount of time, provided a lot of testimony to them. he got this voicemail that is from an attorney who was in trump world who was representing several of the witnesses here and trump himself, john rally, who loved this voicemail on brian's phone? >> hey, brian, good morning. my name is john rally on one of the lawyers representing president trump. it's my understanding that you've got a grand jury subpoena would you please give me a call at your first opportunities? >> i should note he did not answer that call. he did not return them voicemail. he instead pass it on to his attorney, but he said he did feel pressure from one of the other co-defendants here, carlos de olivera, to get an attorney from trumpworld. >> kaitlan, stay with someone we're gonna senior legal analyst, elie honig, and also carrie cordero. carrie cordero elie, how significant is a witness like this for the prosecution, you think, you know, in any case as a prosecutor, anderson, you always want to tour guide. you want someone who can take you inside a closed world like this one. this is the inner workings of mar-a-lago. and even from
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the snippets that kaitlan just played us, you get a lot of insight into how things work. who reported to who, and also one of the big mysteries in this case as kaitlan said how did these documents make their way from florida up to new jersey? so the other thing that i notice about this witness, and it's in the write-up that kaitlan collins and katelyn polantz did. >> is this witness is >> not eager to get trump. there's a moment when he tells them something like, i realized as the fbi was questioning me, that my information was going to be used against trump and i was i didn't in like that, but i felt important to tell the truth. and so as a prosecutor, i think that's really important indicator of credibility. >> and kerry, would prosecutors likely have some sort of a deal in place with butler. this point? >> well, he hasn't been charged, so i think his fact there's a couple of things. so first, the facts are that are relayed in the interview that kaitlan has done, doesn't sound like he knowingly was a participant in the unauthorized mishandling of classified information so it doesn't
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necessarily sound like he knew exactly what was going on, but he knew something's sort of squirrely was going on. so i'm not sure that there is evidence that the justice department has again, just based on this interview, so far, that would indicate he could be charged it also sounds as if he has been as forthcoming as possible. and so based on what he has seen and his observations about the actions of others he does seem like he would be a compelling witness, but i'm not sure based on what i've heard so far that he necessarily would have had his own criminal couple of days kaitlan >> he's not saying that he saw what was in the boxes. he is saying just those were the boxes that were later seen that had been seen in photographs that kind of boxes that we've all seen in those photographs. can you just explain again the timeline of all of this? so as he's going to the airport with the box, they're taking the boxes to new jersey. >> is that really the moment that the >> fbi is at mar-a-lago or is
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that the day that the fbi is going to mar-a-lago to try to track these things down? >> brian butler described it as kind of a puzzle where he was just able to put the pieces together later on. and also the indictment really helped to be able to see what was really happening. and these two days in june of 2022 were so critical because on june 2 was when trump's attorney went into the storage room in the basement of mar-a-lago, went through the documents, looked for what was classified documents he believed, then took them upstairs, put them in a redweld folder to give them to the fbi. the fbi agents show up at mar-a-lago on june 3, the next day. and is brian butler noted trump was still there, which was a bit unusual. he typically would leave to go to new jersey to his club earlier than that, but he was still there that day and what brian remember seeing is trump's attorney evan corcoran. he's very tall, he's got the silver hair. he remembers seeing that he didn't know who the other people were in or send, but he now realizes they were fbi agents and they were there on june 3. we do know that because
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that was when they handed over those 30 or so classified documents. they handle and it over a form that said, i attest that this was a diligent search and the best of our ability, everything that was here, of course, that was not true. anderson and the attorney, they say didn't know that at the time, but that was months before the fbi showed up and found hundreds of classified documents still there, but it's a key part of this because it was that day before when trump's attorney he went into that storage room to look that walt nauta, who is now a co-defendant here and carlos de oliveira had moved documents into trump's office. 30 boxes or 60 boxes, and then move 30 bucks back. and so there were these key moments happening that this trump employee five didn't realize at the time and can only fully appreciate now that he looks it's back. >> elie, how do you think the defense will try to cross-examine a witness liking because again, he took his own testimony, did not look inside the boxes. >> yeah. >> i think there'll be aggressive for sure and cross-examination. i think this is going to be a pivotal witness. you're right. i think they're going to do a couple of things. first of all, they're
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going to point out gaps in his knowledge. i'll say to him you didn't open those boxes. boxes look like how you know, this box was the exact box in the indictment, donald trump's team. i assure you we'll say most or all of your information. it sounds like that he got didn't come from donald trump. it came from walt nauta. it came from mr. de olivera. and so they'll say it's secondhand, it's not as compelling against donald trump, but as carrie said it appears this person, mr. butler, does not have any sort of criminal liability. doj did not make him plead guilty to a charge. >> what he >> probably has as either a non-prosecution agreement, which sort of is what it sounds like, or immunity which is a formal agreement where they say, you're going to testify in your words, won't be used to prosecute you. and so i think there's another line of cross-examination that you're just telling prosecutors what they they want to hear to save your own hide. >> all right. >> elie, carrie, >> katelyn, thanks very much in kept kaitlan's catch kaitlan full interview with former trump employee, brian butler, the top of the next hour on her program. the source right here on cnn 09:00 p.m. now, the criminal trial that's scheduled to begin just two
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weeks from today. that's when jury selection is set to start a manhattan district attorney, alvin bragg's case. again it's the former president alleging he falsified business records tied to the 2016 hush money payment to adult film star stormy daniels in emotion made public today. his attorneys asked the judge to delay the trial until the supreme court rules and whether he's covered by presidential immunity in the january 6 case in its jessica schneider joins us now with more on that so is this just a delay tactic? >> yet, delay anderson is probably likely part of the strategy trump's lawyers have been very good about dredging up every possible legal issue, filing motions to delay any number of cases now in this particular instance, what they're doing is they're pointing to the fact that the manhattan da's office actually wants to bring into evidence at the trial some of the public statements in twitter post that trump made in 2018 while he was president, about stormy daniels and trump's payments to michael cohen and trump's lawyers are saying that some of those statements should be excluded from evidence because trump, they argue was acting in his
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official capacity as president. and that's the part that goes to the supreme court. what they'll be weighing on in april 25th, whether a former president can be immune from criminal prosecution for things that might constitute official acts now, whether tweeting about stormy daniels or michael cohen can actually be deemed an official act. it's questionable, but basically what trump's lawyers are saying is all of these questions about official acts and presidential immunity, they argue they need to be determined permitted by the supreme court first before they move forward in this hush money case, that's their argument. >> and what's the reaction from the judge? >> yes. so the judge has a few things to say. first off, he's questioning why the trump legal team waited so long to file this motion to delay the trial. jury selection is slated to start in two weeks weeks. and actually the deadline for any motions was february 22. despite all that, the judge here, he's asking for the da's office to respond to this request to delay by wednesday and. he's doing another thing, anderson, the judge is also sending really a somewhat of a
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stern warning for moving forward. he's saying that trump's team and the da's prosecutors must now seek permission if they're going to file any new motions ahead of jury selection. and i read that is really indicating that the new york judge wants to keep this case moving. and he might not grant those efforts to delay in this trial might go forward on march 25th, anderson, jessica schneider, thanks very much coming up next borderline dishonesty. how senator katie britt misrepresented a woman's story of being sex trafficked to score political points in her state of the union response. and why her explanation now, what she did it doesn't make sense. we're keeping them honest also, with all the concerns about princess kate medical condition after surgery fund disclosed abdominal issues you can now add a new complication that doctors family photo, and the royal fiasco surrounding it we're here to get your side of the story. >> why do we keep ending up here? >> you can't write this stuff. >> united states of scandal with jake tapper sunday at nine
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>> chain, i just smash your face. >> well, if you think it'll help anyone who jazz installed me or my country shall feel my gut regime >> streaming exclusively on max give me a monos tonight, the migrant crisis, border security, sex trafficking, and bad faith. the first three are real problems which republicans say president biden has not taken seriously enough. the bad faith has do with how they're making that argument and continued to even after being called on it specifically, alabama senator katie britt, who was, you know, said this last week while giving the republican state of the union response >> we know that president biden didn't just create this border crisis he invited it with 94 executive actions in his first 100 days >> when i took >> office, i took a different approach. i traveled to the del rio sector of texas that's
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where i spoke to a woman who shared her story with me she had been sex trafficked by the cartels starting at the age of 12 she told me not just that she was raped every day, but how many times a day she was raped >> we wouldn't be. >> okay with this happening in a third world country. this is the united states of america. and it is past time, in my opinion, that we start acting like it president biden's border policies are a disgrace. >> president biden's border crisis. she calls it a disgrace. she said, not just created by the president, but invited by him according to the senator, which might be political hyperbole. and while addressing that problem is any president's responsibility, one could find facts and figures
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and personal stories to make a case that this president is failing on that score or she could have done that. the senator. but keeping them honest, that's not what katie britt did. instead, she made that woman's all too real horror story a centerpiece of her argument when it just doesn't belong there. something a journalist named jonathan katz first picked up on, posted to social media friday night. he'll join me in a moment. >> first though. here's part of what he posted after watching with senator britt's state of the union response specifically about the part when she mentioned the woman who survived re >> so i immediately had questions. >> who was this woman? how does she meet her? how did she get her to tell her this story? what country did it happen in it? did it happen before joe biden was president >> so as mr. katz quickly discovered the woman's name is karla jacinto. she's an advocate for tracking victims and a longtime acquaintance of cnn's rafael romo, who spoke exclusively with her over the weekend at one point when i met you years and years ago, you
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told me that you felt like at the beginning >> mexican politicians had taken advantage of view by using your story for political purposes do you feel like that happened once again? here in the united states, joe? >> yes insight. i hardly ever cooperate with politicians because it seems to me that they only want an image. they only want a photo. and that to me is not fair to also told me that senator britt got man you know, the facts of her story wrong. number one, she was not trafficked by mexican drug cartels, but by a pimp that operated as part of a family that entrapped vulnerable girls in order to force them into prostitution to she also said she was never trafficked in the united states. senator britt appeared to suggest three, she was kept in captivity from 2000 to 2008 when president george w bush, a republican, was in office as opposed to the current administration as a
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senator implied. and finally, for she met the senator at an event that the border with other government officials and anti-human-trafficking activists, instead of one on one. >> so just to recap, yes, carlo jacinto was a tragic victim and incredibly brave survivor, and advocate. but as she says, it wasn't mexican cartels trafficking her across the border in the united states, in the del rio sector is it's a senator intimated and the nightmare which she courageously survived did not happen during the biden administration, having 20 years ago during george w bush's presidency in mexico, not the united states, but again, you would not know any of that from senator britt's account, the digging that mr. katz touched off only picked up steam throughout the weekend. so by the time senator britt was on fox on sunday it was a big deal which senator britt tried to downplay. here's what she said about it. >> did you mean to give the impression that this horrible story happened on president biden's watch no. shannon, look,
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>> i very specifically said this is what president biden did during his first 100 days. but to >> be clear, the story that you relate is not something that's happened under the biden administration and that particular person i'm very very clearly said i spoke to a woman who told me about when she was trafficked, when she was 12. so i didn't say a teenager. i didn't say a young woman a grown woman, a woman when she was trafficked, when she was 12 shame on everyone else. she seems to be saying for not doing the math in your head and figuring out that she was being misleading now we might have helped if she said in her speech when she was 12 back during the george w bush administration in 2004, when it actually happened, or if she'd had the grace and courtesy to actually mentioned the name of this courageous survivor, even the first name but she didn't do that. she just wanted to use her story. she implied this was a story that only she was told and it wasn't. she also implied that it took place the united states and it didn't. and she made this woman the emotional linchpin of her case against the current president. and in
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case you think that that wasn't deliberate, listen to what senator britt in tennessee republican marsha blackburn said back in june wary of last year, after meeting in public with karla jacinto >> we've also heard from victims of human trafficking and let me tell you those stories are guide. we can as she talks about being abused from the time she was five years old to actually being traffic between the ages of 12 16, you know, you can't help because a mama think about your own and if we, as leaders of the greatest nation in the world, are not fighting to protect the most vulnerable. we are not doing her job. >> and this is for biden and vice versa >> short time ago, cnn tried to ask senator britt about all this and she was leaving a party leadership meeting. she declined to comment. however, her colleague, roger marshall of kansas, when asked about this woman story not being
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connected to the drug cartels said quote, he said yeah, i think we could have done a better job with that. i tend to use stories that i know firsthand perspective now from jonathan katz, who's tiktok post got this entire conversation started so jonathan, what first made you suspicious of the senators story? and can you just kinda walk us through how you went about tracking it down? >> well, the whole thing was weird, as you know, the entire speech. the thing that really stuck out to me about that one part was there was this weird combination of extremely lurid detail, but also no detail at all. >> like she >> she she talked about very specifically the thing things that happen to this person that she talked to. but she didn't say anything about where she talked to her, what she knew about her where the events happened when the events happened, and the other thing that confused me at that moment was i was like, well, this sounds like somebody who'd be a perfect candidate for asylum, like did this person get asylum? is this person still in
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the united states? >> i just >> was sitting there and during the extremely weird kitchen speech, i just started googling and it didn't really take much time at all. i think it's the fastest investigative work ever done and didn't you i mean, did you immediately find the press conference that that's the senator held with this woman and others. >> there are a couple of steps in between. i mean, first i found out that senator britt had been telling the story over and over again because there were a whole bunch of hits for it, even though it made it sound like this was the first time she she had told it yeah. >> no, that was the first thing. i was like, well, this is not this is not a new story. this is something that's kind of almost become maybe a stump speech for her in a way. then i realized that she had gone on this trip with marsha blackburn and cindy hyde-smith in january of 2023. and then i looked at senator blackburn's webpage, found that press release that's when i saw the press conference. they call it a
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roundtable, but the press conference that they had with this woman, karla jacinto romero. >> i'm wondering what you made of senator britt, defend yourself on fox yesterday because she essentially said, well, it was implied. i wasn't i wasn't connecting this the biden administration, even though she was connecting this, the biden administration and she said, well, i i did say this was a child and i was spoken to a woman, assuming i guess that viewers were supposed to have done the math and figured out that this was an old story that was one of the pieces of math that i did. there were a lot of things that were weird about it. that was one of them that she's describing something that happened to somebody when they were 12 years old and she calls them a woman. i was like, well, this and have happened in the last couple of years then, so i picked up on that. i think it was pretty subtle, but i thought her response wasn't really a response at all. i mean the host on fox asked her very specifically, like, were you were you trying to imply that this happened during the biden administration and then she says no, and then she goes on talking about essentially how joe biden is responsible for this thing that happened 20
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years ago. >> it's also interesting me that she never used the victim of this name generally, if you're telling the story of some buddy who is something traumatic has happened to. i mean, just as a sense of decency and making them into a actual person you would, at the very least use their first name with their permission in your tiktok, you mentioned that reaching out to senator britt's office. i'm wondering if you you ever heard back from them because they've they've put out stuff now, but i'm wondering if they ever actually responded to you because you are the one who really uncovered this. >> they have never responded to me. i was not easy to find her spokesperson, the parent. this is a hard thing to do these days to find legislators, spokespeople that used to be the easiest thing but i sent him an email immediately. i mean, i send an email that night at 11:20 p.m. or something like that on these coasts. you know, he's never responded to me. all i've seen are the responses that he's given to other people. he kind of set up. it seems like
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everybody else. >> this this the stock response in which he said that the story was 100% correct. and then i've seen the senator's response on fox news and i've also seen karla jacinto is response on cnn where she said that the story was told without her permission, which was again, i i didn't know that for a fact but it was just something that i kind of sense there was something that there was something about the way that she told that story that reminded me of the way that unscrupulous people tell stories of people from the global south in ways that center them instead of the people who've gone through the trump yeah, jonathan katz. thank you so much for talking to us. and i just want to encourage people to check out your new book. i've just ordered it. gangsters of capitalism and look forward to reading. >> thank you. >> just ahead, how one mother's day photo and the uk turned into a major scandal for princess kate. her apology and the apparent edits that caused the controversy next year,
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for editing the image. like many amateur photographers, she said, i do occasionally experiment with editing. i wanted to express my apologies for any confusion. the family photograph we shared yesterday a caused a cnn analysis of the photo found at least two areas which appear to show evidence. the photo has been potentially altered, including princess charlotte's sleeve, which seems to melt into nothing. and then kate's zipper, which appears to be cut short. cnn is continuing to use the original photo so in the context of the debate around its alleged manipulation, a royal source told cnn on monday, the princess made minor adjustments to the image as she shared in her statement on social media, but didn't explain why they weren't transparent about the edits when they shared the image with news media and pitch agencies afp, one of the international agencies to pull the photo stood by is vision on
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monday. >> we have a duty of trust towards our subscribers, towards their viewers and we have to kill the picture. it's absolutely red line that was crossed there in terms of journalism the image was released by the royals for mother's day in the uk, along with a message from kate's thanking people for their support. in the past two months the print sas has been out of the public eye since she underwent abdominal surgery in january this rare glimpse of her on monday spotted alongside her husband william, in a car leaving windsor for a private appointment in the vacuum of information without the regular on-camera appearances. conspiracy theories have been swirling about the status of kate's health first additions or british newspapers published before the image was pulled by agencies present the picture as happy proof of her recovery. but the subsequent unprecedented withdrawal by some agencies have sent
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speculation about her wellbeing into overdrive i'm joined now by max foster and cnn royal commentator and author sally bedell smith. so max, i mean, is this a case of good intentions gone awry and also, i mean, the idea that she was actually photo editing herself, like she says, many amateur photographers, some amateur photographers do. is that believable? >> well, there's big team around them certainly the narrative is that this was a social post that she put up to reflect a happy day and she went a bit far with the editing and clearly she wasn't very good at it, will have to wait to see what actually happened behind the scenes. but the other side of this is that this picture was also sent out as a press release effectively to the media to use for editorial purposes. they weren't transparent about the fact that had been edited. so there's a big trust issue there now, and they've also got this issue that for weeks now, there's
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been huge amounts of speculation about a cover-up of the palace you haven't given it much credence because it's not based on anything. but now we have to look at those conspiracy theories and consider them because this we're not being given the original photo. we don't know what was in the original photo, but it does smack of cover up for a lot of people. >> shelly, what do you make it this botched attempt to quelling fears over the princesses held >> it was indeed a botched attempt to end if you believe what what is being put out, she didn't have any malign intent in this it doesn't appear and i think they even released a statement that there was no use of ai. there was no effort to put an image of her in the photo, but there is other evidence that there have possibly been combined images in that photo. i think and good for motive was to present a happy family and we all know
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those of us who have had children, how hard it is to put a family photo together where everybody is smiling and if she can bind a bunch of images of her children that's not great, but i think more worrying would be if she had manipulated her own image with an intention of showing her to be healthy. it doesn't seem as if she did that and they went out of the way to say that that she hadn't used any artificial intelligence but it's, it's, it's a worrying moment. and i think it's something that the palace has to think really hard about because they above all, need to present authentic images and if they don't, it really damages their credibility >> max, i mean, wouldn't this have gone through several layers or at least one layer of somebody else's eyes on this
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saying, oh yeah, that's, that's fine. that this can be released i don't think or i don't know. you said they have a staff. i mean, are they up late at night to sort of sending out photos to the public? >> they certainly do send out a minus log of the social media. i mean, i can't say that cake doesn't post thrown images. i would find it extraordinary. she actually did. theirs a layers are people who were very experienced, who would have thought this was a bad idea. i'm sure. i just don't know the background. they're saying so little about it. the big issue they've got here that the monarchy represents continuity stability there. so careful not to create any sense of panic around anything. but on this occasion, they created panic with this vacuum of information which is filled with a lot of nonsense. but now we're having to look at because they created what people are calling a fake photo, put it out. >> because they could very
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easily sally, i mean, again i mean, you can make an argument. they deserve their privacy and they, you know, i mean, i don't really want the best for them. i don't have any stake in this, but if they'd wanted to quote, they say it could just say, look, this was a bad look. i tried to make it's the luck. here's a picture that i tried to put together to try to get all the kids smiling the picture that would be understandable, but it doesn't seem like they're inclined to put out any more information about this. >> no. and i don't think that's helping them. i think they need to be more clear about a lot of things because if you have a vacuum, people will fill it and they'll fill it with all sorts of outlandish rumors and conspiracy theories and theories so i think i hate the word teachable moment, but maybe this is a teachable moment for them to figure out. >> i >> mean, this is a whole new world. ai is zooming along deep fakes are permeating our
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culture. instagram is filled with images of people who really don't look the way they do in real life. and i think palace has to figure out how they're going to operate in that kind of environment. >> max foster, sally bedell smith. thank you so much. >> you're welcome. thank you >> just ahead. exclusive reporting and how the biden administration handled the potential threat of a russian nuclear attack in ukraine comes from a fascinating new book by my colleague jim sciutto, the return of great powers, russia, china. the next world war, he joins us next every parent knows when it's time to go into protect mode adding lysol laundry sanitizer kills it's 99.9% of illness causing bacteria detergents leave behind. plaintiffs good sanitized is better. >> what is circle surplus fuel to take flight circle is the energy that gets you to the next level. circled this which
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that off from happening at the same time, russian officials started to speak publicly about what the us knew to be a made-up threat. and that was that ukraine was going to carry out a dirty bomb radioactive bomb attack in southern ukraine. and the read of that was that russia was creating a pretext to carry out a nuclear attack to say, well that the cranial is, are planning this, were just responding to them. but i think probably the biggest piece of this anderson was that the us also had hard intelligence, intercepted communications of russian commanders talking about the possibility of a tactical nuclear strike and at that point they said, we have to take this seriously. we have to prepare for all options, including potential military responses to a nuclear strike. >> and what do officials think of the risk of nuclear weapons? i mean, is there a risk now? >> there is a risk because russia has nuclear weapons, particularly tactical nukes, these or battlefield nuclear,
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wife, laci, disappeared. now, the time they were expecting their first child, he was convicted or their murderers two years later. well, now the los angeles innocence project is representing peterson and focus on what it says is newly discovered evidence in their words, in hopes of getting a new trial and look at how we got here. here's randi kaye laci peterson, long before the world knew her name, she was just 27 years >> old when she disappeared, and nearly eight months pregnant. >> we all love lacey, we all care for each other and they're all working towards bringing her home laci, his husband, scott peterson, told investigators he was fishing in the san francisco bay near the berkeley marina when his wife disappeared. but investigators said his story didn't exactly add up. >> we're just here to confirm or to see if there's any information that lacey was up in this area? or if the if the husband was here >> while detectives tried to
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figure out what happened to lacey, her family and friends organized searches. as time went on, lacey story captivated the country. >> we know there is someone who knows something in if that person would just come forward and let us know where she is so that we can bring her home. >> laces february 2003, due date came and went for the flyers off of that website and get them to a law enforcement and people's area any hospitals and birthing centers, just keep the word out there were qishan will be given converse real soon. >> investigators searched the couple's home and questions scott peterson, he kept a pretty low profile until this woman, amber fry, expose their six-week long affair during a bombshell news conference, i met scot peterson november 20, 2000 to scott told me he was not married we did have a romantic relationship that >> relationship investigators believed could have been a motive for scott peterson to
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kill his wife, had nothing to do with her disappearance, but people still accuse me of it. >> he also spoke with abc's diane sawyer, you know, that people sitting at home have imagined that either you were in love with someone else. therefore, you decided to get rid of this entanglement, namely your wife and your child? or there was just an angry confrontation >> neither of those was the case is it's that simple >> despite his claims of innocence, more questions about scot peterson's behavior surfaced investigators wondered why on christmas eve with a very pregnant wife, did scot peterson drive a couple hours away to go fishing in april 2003? nearly four months after laci disappeared geared her body and the body of their unborn son washed up on the shores of san francisco bay.
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scott peterson was arrested for days later and charged with two felony counts of murder. he continued to maintain his innocence by june 2000 for scott peterson was on trial five months and close to 200 witnesses. then finally, a verdict. >> we, the jury in the above-entitled cause, find a dependent scot. peterson, guilty of the crime of murder scott peterson was found guilty of first-degree murder for his wife, laci, and second-degree murder for his unborn child. the judge sentenced him to death. but in 2021, nearly 20 years after the murders, peterson was recent ins to life without parole. after the california supreme court found the jury in his case was not screened properly for bias regarding the death penalty. and now, if he does get a new trial based on what the innocence project calls, quote, newly discovered evidence. he'll have another chance at freedom and randi joins us now. >> so >> what more about this hearing
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for scott peterson tomorrow? it's going to happen there >> well, we know anderson that scot peterson will join the hearing via zoom from prison, and the hearing really centers it's around this motion that his lawyers with the innocence project filed with the court. in that motion, they say that scot peterson has maintained his innocence for 20 years. and during that time, he's been working with investors the gators, and lawyers, and has discovered what they call this substantial new evidence which you had actually referenced earlier. we don't know what that evidence is, but they say that it does support his claims of listen, so they're looking at the dna, they want some items tested again, retested, and then they also want some new items, new new items tested for dna. and they think think that there's something there anderson that could prove his innocence. so we really don't know what to expect tomorrow. we know for sure that no doubt will see more motions filed, more hearings in this face before we know exactly if scott peterson will get a new trial. >> all right. randi kaye. thanks. the news continues right here on cnn
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