qin a 19-year-old dual us israeli citizen, was serving in the idf on the gaza border that day. his parents have been working relentlessly to bring him home, to bring awareness for the other hostages and their families ever since tonight, they say that their hearts are broken with this update. here's what they told jake tapper just last week >> i actually haven't liam two days ago. two nights ago where i saw the vision of hesitant biden the lying to us and saying, well, your kidney tie, he's on a plane back home. i still hope that that might be able to happen >> ruby, his father was raised in new york and i should note a tie was the second of three sons. he was a former boy scout, not that long ago is to add, said he was also a fierce basketball player and fan. his 20th birthday would have been on february 2, and our hearts go out to his family and friends tonight. thank you so

much for joining us. cnn's primary coverage continues right now with laura coats and abby philip >> tonight, too big checkmarks. one has all already happened, and we're expecting the other any minute now. and when it does, you can officially lock in your matchup cards for what might be the most important election of our lifetime welcome to a special edition of newsnight. i'm abby phillip in new york, and i'm codes and washington dc, it's a short time ago. joe biden made official well, the obvious and he will be the democratic nominee come this november. he is celebrating clinching in a new video asking voters, are you ready to win? well, tonight, biden adding important victories to his win column. >> look at all of >> states, state of georgia, one that he won in 2020, put them over the top. it's also a state we're done for trump tried to deny democracy and

say, well, donald trump is on trial for election interference. >> and >> tonight the president put the november choice and quite the star in terms. are we going to stand up and defend our democracy or let others tear it down. so who are the others he's talking about? well, it's pretty obvious one person sen. it's donald trump, who sits only a handful of delegates away. now from locking up the nomination after romping over every single republican can challenger that stood in his way. now, tonight, trump has already put georgia and mississippi in the win column. and soon after polls close in washington state, he will all certainly put an exclamation point on this primary and confirm to the country that the republican party has all been reap, been remade in here this let's begin with our coverage tonight. the place that matters most nights, just like tonight at the magic wall with cnn chief correspondent john king. john we know that he has two more in his wind congress

talking about donald trump, mississippi, and also georgia hasn't looking, well, he needs 31 more delegates. joe biden, as you noted, clinched with georgia. he is now the presumptive nominee. you'd are not officially the nominee. do you get to the convention? they do the gavel. they dropped the confetti, but he's the presumptive nominee. donald trump will get there when washington state comes in later tonight, the polls close. there about an hour races where he is 11, 84 right now, you need 12, 15, so 31 more delegates. this is impressive. he's winning 92% of the delegates and all the contest so far. so if you're the trump campaign saying, wow, we're already 92%. it's the middle of march, march 12th. you're going to clinch the nomination. that's great. right. and look at this only vermont for nikki haley. but even as you see this the same for biden, even as you see great strength in the primary campaign. if you look deeper, you do find some weaknesses and we're seeing them in georgia tonight. >> go to georgia because of course this was a very controversial discussion point. remember that 12,000 less than that boats in terms of winning, how did he fare? >> so public, polling, public opinion polling right now shows donald trump ahead and georgia about a month ago of very

reliable poll shows him a head right now. but as you know, there's an election interference trial. there and forget all that for a second. just remember how close this was. 11,000 votes last time. this look, he's getting 84%. so again, if you're a republican, you're trump fan. you say 84%, that's great. it is great. however, she dropped out of the race. remember number one for starters he's getting nikki haley, the former governor, former ambassador, getting 14%. if you round that up. but laura, look more closely, fulton county in atlanta, she's getting 39% now this is a democratic area. fulton county is going to be blue when we're at this map, and election. but you've got, if you're trump, you got to cut into the margins, right? you can't you can't let joe biden gets 70%. you can't let them get 75% how do you stop that from happening? you get into dependence and you get moderate republicans in the suburbs, moderate republicans in the suburbs yet again, tonight, as they have throughout the primary season, are saying, no, thank you, mr. trump, even though she's out of the race, that's fulton, come over here, gwinnett. she's getting 23% right there again, atlanta, this used to be a very republican suburb. the suburbs becoming more and more democratic in part because suburban voters are repulsed by donald trump. she's getting 23%

come down here to the cab, look at that, look at that, that's 45% for a candidate who's gone from the race against the former president of the united states in a restate with a republican governor. but remember the difference? brian kemp fobt, donald trump and donald trump said the election was stolen. brian kemp said, no, it was not. we run free and fair elections here in the state of georgia. you do have this is a trump state. i don't want overdo it. he's getting 84% of the vote. but there are a lot of traditional establishment suburban republicans who believe their governor, not donald trump. and tonight a lot of them are saying no, thank you. voting for nikki haley, especially here. i just it's stunning to me. if you look at it in this context, come back to the 2020 map, look at the presidential race. this is why atlanta, fulton county in the suburbs around it, cut close. that was 11,779 votes. and so the pop, this is the major population center ladder and the big suburbs around it. no issue with any of these communities. they're great communities too. >> but the people live here. if you're looking at the math of a big election and so if you look at dekalb, yes, donald

trump only got 17, 16% last time, right? if he can get 20% there, that's the 11,000 votes were talking about, right? that's the 11,000 votes. so you come back to tonight and you just look at this. and so where he was weak in 2020, he showing some wheat in the general election, you shown some weakness denied. so it's a big win. but again, it's the suburbs cycle broken record, but suburban voters still have huge doubts about donald trump. he's going to be the republican nominee. there'll be the presumptive nominee and about an hour when he wins washington between now and his convention and then between then and november it's got some work to do. >> fulton county told me one more time bad. of course, we're election subversion trial is and you're talking about a jury pool as well, right? so sanely, look so you're talking >> this is the republican primary electorate, right? so you know, 58% of your roundup for trump, 39% for governor haley, you're right there you think of atlanta. this is the african american base in georgia. then you move out to the suburbs it's by far democratic area, but there are a lot of republicans in the close-in suburbs, or at least former republicans are a lot of brian kemp voters if you want to put it that way in fulton

county in the suburbs. so you come back to 2020 in the presidential election again, donald trump got 26% in the general election. joe biden got 73. so it's a democratic area, but so people that something's oh, it doesn't the matter, of course it matters. if you can make that 28%, then you win georgia if you lose by 10,000 votes, you just, it's all about the margins. can you move that up? and so if you're trump coming in from the last campaign to this campaign, you're saying i know my problems are right here. right here. you've got to make them better in the prime results tonight, you see a big question mark of whether he indeed has john king making us do maths and i will be checking back in though abby >> all right. thank you. joining me now is democratic congresswoman from minnesota, ilhan omar. she is a member of the progressive caucus in the house, and she's very vocally opposes israel's war in gaza. congresswoman, thank you for being here with us tonight. >> thank you for having me, abby. >> so president biden, just a couple hours ago, crossed that delegate threshold to synch the nomination for your party. are you personally comfortable with

him as your party's standard bearer in november well, congratulations to the president. and as we've said before, a long time, no, sitting first term president has lost nomination of his party to run for reelection. and i know that every single democrat in the country is going to make sure that we do so everything that we can so that we avoid a trump presidency. >> the state of the union address was just about a week ago and it's no secret. one of the goals was for president biden to reset the narrative around his age did he do that for you? did he lay any concerns that you may have had about his age or his ability to do the job >> i was never really concerned with that. i've i've spent time with the president both in the white house traveled back with him to my district, spend time with him in the district

it always seemed very clear to me that he had the energy and the ability to continue to do this work >> one of the things happening on capitol hill this week, it's become a big point of contention a ban on tiktok you have this might surprise some people. the same position as donald trump when it comes to banning tiktok. does that feel a little weird to you? >> i have the same position as the majority of americans since tiktok users have. and today we had an intel briefing and none of the information that was provided to us really was persuasive in the fact that there is anything to be really concerned that it's not concerning when it comes to facebook or twitter. >> so when we just had one of your democratic colleagues congressman moscowitz on the

show last night. he suggested that for example, when it comes to the israel, hamas war, that china is using tiktok's algorithms to ramp up divisions in this country. and that's one of the concerns that he has in terms of national security. do you think there's any validity to that? what i >> what i do think that people are finding discomfort is the fact that for the first time in our nation's history americans have access to real images of the horse that are experienced by palestinians daily and the onslaught that is taking place, this horrific assault on gaza really is being streamed to every single person here in this country. so we no longer have to rely on legacy media to get that information. every single person sen. has the

information directly from the mouth of the people who are being slaughtered. >> it's an important point that we are seeing some really horrific images and we know based on our own reporting at cnn that there is a lot of suffering in gaza i do want you as you're talking about this war to listen to what one of the president's top aides on national security, jake sullivan said today at the white house briefing about a ceasefire, which i know that us support. listen those who would like to see a ceasefire in gaza, a ceasefire is on the table today for six weeks to >> be built on into something more enduring if hamas would simply police women wounded, and elderly. and the fact that they will not do so says a lot to me about hamas's regard for innocent sinn palestinian civilians >> if a ceasefire is on the table today, hamas could agree to it today does he have a

point? >> well hamas showed up to egypt. it's my understanding for the negotiations. it was israel that refused to send negotiators to be at the table to carve out, you have to remember that a ceasefire is not something that happens magically it is a process that is negotiated by different parties that have interest. and >> so i just think clear that then i think an honest broker in this in this conflict that's actually i mean, that's actually what i really want to clarify. are you suggesting that when he says there's something on the table a ceasefire that israel has agreed to. they want those hostages back. hamas will not agree to that. you don't think that that's where things you don't believe that that is

where things stand today in these negotiations >> well, there was a current api reporting that said, you know negotiators from hamas arrived in egypt to negotiate for a ceasefire and israel decided that's send anyone down there to negotiate. you can certainly have certain demands that you want. and we obviously want the hostages released, return to their families or american hostages that are included. there is an infant that is included in those hostages and so it is important that we do everything that we can, but we can't be this honest to the point where we are saying that everybody is doing everything that they can to be at the table to negotiate a ceasefire that can lead to a permanent solution. >> so again, to clarify hi congresswoman, you're saying jake sullivan is being

dishonest when he says israel is at the table, willing to sign a ceasefire >> i'm saying he's not showing the full picture. i don't know if he's being honest or not, but it certainly does not go along with the current reporting that that has come out of those negotiation efforts on the president and this election, which is, as you point out, really important one, you didn't vote for president biden, or for uncommitted in minnesota as primary, the uncommitted vote. who was a big part of that primary in your home state? i wonder if the election were held today. would you vote for joe biden? can you confirm that he would have your vote today? >> of course democracy is on the line. we are facing down fascism and i personally know what my life felt like. having trump as the president of this country. and i know what it

felt like for my constituents and for people around this country and around the world, we have to do everything that we can to make sure that does not happen to our country again. >> and do you think your constituents ultimately will come to the same conclusion that you did the tens of thousands who voted uncommitted as a protest against the president well, the uncommitted have been very clear. they want a change in policy and we've seen that within three days, you had the vice president using the word ceasefire. we now have the president saying there is a red line. if israel goes into we'll refer that he is going to condition aid. so there has been a significant progress. i think it is the responsibility of every citizen of this country that cares for the humanity of all to continue to push this administration to do what it can do to end the

onslaught that palestinians are living through every single day. >> all right, congresswoman ilhan omar, we appreciate you joining us on the show tonight. >> thank you for having me >> i love to talk about these two milestones tonight with me now, scott jennings, jamal simmons, as he cup and mark preston what did you make of that jamal that interview there on a couple of different fronts on the political front. honestly her reaction saying there has progress, saying that the president has already moved. it seems like that is actually a little bit of an olive branch more than i've been hearing from many of the progressives who've been supportive of the uncommitted lives well, it's true that the protests and the push on behalf of what's happening in gaza has moved the president to be more >> vocal about the policy. i think that's happening inside the administration and the

administration has always been concerned about the deaths in gaza. the question is, how much they will talk about that publicly. and i think we are hearing and then talk more about that and certainly push. i was concerned at one point with congresswoman omar point about the ceasefire because when we started talking about ceasefire and hamas was on the line, there was a lot of she's sort of reference that while ceasefire doesn't happen automatically, people have to come to the table. but that's not what you hear when you're at protests, when people say president to say ceasefire now and that was in that what kind of in the thing so i feel like we have to make sure that everybody is being held to the same standard here. and we need all the parties to have cease fire because we do need to have israel to be secure and we also need to have these children and women in gaza to not be dying and for them to be secure. so we've got to figure out how is it? that we have a situation where we can end the cycle of violence on the ground in the middle east and not just point fingers at one party or not it scott, were you surprised to hear her say pretty clearly she would support president biden in november. it's sort of her

colleagues. i'm not sure they would say that today. >> know she's a democrat. they're gonna vote for biden. i'm not surprised about that. i am surprised that in the year of our lord, 2024, there is a public relations agent for hamas sitting in the united states congress. the reason israel is not at that meeting is because hamas will not provide a list of the living hostages. i didn't hear a word a word of concern for the hostages. >> ceasefire. she said, don't happen magically. we know there was a ceasefire in place on october the sixth. and who broke it on october the seventh? >> i >> cannot believe honestly what i heard out of that interview. what i want are for those hostages to come home i want somebody somebody out there to show just a little bit of remorse that hamas broke the ceasefire raped, and murdered horrifically women all kinds of people. that, that's it. how about a little bit of concern for those folks? that's what i'm looking for. >> i want to be clear, but i

might set a second ago about not pointing fingers. we all know the hamas is the one that started. as an homage is the one that has come to the table. the question is now how do we get to a ceasefire? and that means that all the parties in the region are going to have to be present to make omar they're took this opportunity and you're very important platform to say that hamas was the good actor here. hamas was ready for this meeting. and based on some conspiracy theory, our jake sullivan, american representative is maybe lying about what israel wants to do and israel's involvement. look, i would not go to someone who is a supporter of the bds movement for their advice on what israel should do or what the us should do when it comes to israel, she's trafficked and anti-semitic tropes that seek to strip israel and the jewish people have their sovereignty, their identity i don't trust her opinion on this issue at all and listen, there are important voices for the

palestinian people. she's not one of them to jamal's point. she didn't seem to acknowledge this, isn't just joe biden waves a magic wand and say suddenly there's a ceasefire there's a lot of other stuff that needs to happen. the problem is that on the left there are maybe millions of democrats who are, who believed that this is all 100% in joe biden's hands. that's what he's dealing with politically. yeah. you know, a couple of things things not to continue the piling on. the congresswoman, but she did go on to say another thing that that was not factual. she said that they just come for you would ask her a question. said that discomfort for the first time in our nation's history that they're seeing these images come back in the streaming back to them now, i wasn't necessarily live or remember too much of this, but if i recall the vietnam war ended because that really was the first television war of horrific images streaming back that ended a war she is right

that you biden, isn't the only person who can get something fixed, but i will tell you politically, that doesn't do democrats any good that interview tonight that she did. it just it does her no good because she's not necessarily offering a solution. she's just kinda throwing it out there in saying, well, maybe israel needs to come to the table. it's a lot more complicated than that. and certainly >> as everyone stick around for us, laura. >> thanks, abby. next, house judiciary chairman jim jordan is going to join me live on those fiery and contentious moment in the testimony of robert hur, special counsel who investigated president biden. plus we are waiting getting results in key states, but also i'd like to put donald trump over the top for his party's nomination everyone standby the 17th >> annual essence black women in hollywood awards, honoring danielle brooks halle bailey, hatchie all carl, karen, catherine busby, by plinth

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beyond a reasonable doubt. because the evidence fell short of that standard. i declined to recommend criminal charges against mr. biden >> former special counsel, robert hur testifying before the house judiciary committee today on his final report into president biden's handling of classified documents, both parties frankly took the shots. republicans upset that i didn't wasn't charged democrats mad about him raising questions about biden's mental acuity. i want to bring in chairman of the house judiciary committee, congressman jim jordan. thank you for joining us today. what day congressman? because we are watching for hours waiting to see what he would say about that report. a really key moment he said that he did not exonerate biden congressman, but he did decline to bring any charges because didn't believe could actually secure a conviction based on what he saw. he couldn't prove the intent, not just because there's age or his memory, but you took issue with that. >> why? >> well, i think what the special counsel said was that

he willfully retained classified information and then disclosed classified information to people who weren't allowed to get it. and i mean, this is a guy who's been in office for close to 50 years, five decades, chaired the senate foreign relations committee when he was vice president, he gets a daily intelligence briefs. this is a guy who knows the law and those rules, and yet he violated those. and so for me, the key question i raised this in my question is, why would he do that? what would motivate a guy to do that? and robert hur told us that he said he had strong motivations to ignore. this is robert hur's words, not mine, to ignore the procedures around classified documents because he was writing a book and he wanted that information readily available to give to the ghostwriter who wasn't clear to get it. and why would he want to do all that? >> it million dollars >> 8 million reasons he had so that's the point i think was the most telling because i always want to know what's the motive for someone who knows the rules to then violate the rules, which is exactly what

president biden did. >> but if congressman on that robert hur says, second, excuse me, i want to point out one thing though, and i remember that moment because i think your phrase wise, he has 8 million in reasons to do so alluding to his book advance. but if you go down to that part of the report, he continues on that. he did not feel that he had the evidence that jurors might have been convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that that was enough to prove that it was willful that the intent was there and there could have been some innocent explanations well, i'll tell you. >> i've been one of >> the i think big pieces of evidence is what the book ghost rider who had the audio recording of that interview with president biden. what he did with that information once he found out robert hur was named special counsel what did this guy do? he deleted that information. he tried to destroy evidence if that's not obstruction, i don't know what is and i think that goes to motive as well. this ghostwriter knew that there was something something wrong here. so i think that's a contributing factor in this at this whole loss scenario as well.

>> i did i did think it was when you mentioned the idea of the ghostwriter sliding things into i think a recycling bin is what he mentioned. but on that point, if i go back to the report and that seems to be where her it was really focused on not wanting to go beyond the scope of it. he recognized that there was evidenced at some jurors might have deemed as willfully retaining documents maybe even the motivations you describe. but the idea of the burden of proof was really the biggest part of all of this. but there was a fixation that seemed on the idea of biden's mental acuity or his memory. i found that striking because you saw some of your colleagues the other side of the aisle pointing out that trump also share some memory lapses. he also does make mistakes. do you concede that both have a similar issue. >> oh, come on. come on. i mean, everyone makes mistakes in life. i'm over healing dance for goodness, for goodness sake. but there is no way you can say president trump he's a sharp as they come. his memory is as strong. i would just with him over the weekend.

i know what the american people can see it for themselves. they've seen this, these examples of president biden for getting things. i mean, all kinds of examples that we actually played the press conference the president biden gave in response to when mr. hur's report came out and showed that where, you know, again, i think it was maybe the one of the worst press conference i've ever seen. so to say there's a comparison there made no sense. i thought that was the democrats did was excellent just strange ever taken snippets here and there much different than what the american people see you on a daily basis from our president. and look, i take no satisfaction in saying that he's the president. biden's the president. our country. you want our president to have his full faculties, but he obviously doesn't. and the country knows it, and it doesn't matter how many times democrats say something different. the country can see from themselves and they understand it. and that is something that mr. hur pointed out. he said, joe biden is a forgetful old man and that is one of the reasons key reasons that i didn't bring charges and it's why we've asked for the actual audio tapes, not just of joe biden's interviews,

but all the witnesses, mr. mr. her, talk to and we'll see if the biden administration and the justice department turn those over to us. i think they should so we can evaluate that the united states congress, and more importantly, the american people well, i am eager to see how far are you willing to ask for those requests? the audio transcripts as well, but back this point, because as you have offered that, biden has made mistakes and certainly objectively, there are mistakes made and there have been statements that are known as the gaffes and beyond, but there was also a montage played of donald trump things something talking about, not knowing the dates of his marriage confused the names of world leaders. i wonder why if the notion is that there is a double standard being placed on donald trump, isn't it true that there's also a double-standard then for president biden with respect to his mistakes, why should the american people credit one versus the gather if both make similar mistakes that had been played in that actual hearing or come on, come on and there were three people have run for president the last three cycles

secretary clinton, president biden, and president trump. all three have been accused of mishandling classified information. only one is getting price let's acute. hillary clinton took a hammer to cell phones, to bleach. bleach bit to laptops and computers. i mean, you gotta be kidding me. the idea that there's not a double standard and the justice department isn't going after president trump, i think is laughable to disagree to that anybody can see it. first, it was first it was they spied on his campaign than it was the special counsel, $30,000,000.19 lawyers, 40 fbi agents, molars, special counsel, they found nothing. then it was impeachment than it was rate is home than it was jack smith's special counsel then it was the 14th amendment, which was bogus. if you don't believe me, just look what the supreme court said, nine to zero in now this latest i mean come on. of course, there's a double standard and anybody with common sense can see it. and i think that's one of the key reasons why president trump is ahead and every single poll and joe biden's approval numbers first or at what, 35%. >> i certainly think if you

look broadly at the system of justice in this country, there are issues with a two tiered justice system. obviously, for the wealthy and those who do not have the means. but i want to narrow your focus congressmen away from the broad and to what her was focused on instead, because he did did respond to this idea that there was a distinction and huge distinctions between the behavior of trump in the handling of documents and that of biden specifically, in what happened after the requests to return those documents. and frankly, the distinctions he believes is maybe what led to the prosecution of trump and not biden why do you really think that if trump had returned the documents, had not doubled down, had cooperated, had not had this year-and-a-half expands between the first request and then of course, i appointment of special counsel well, that he would also still be charged. >> i don't think it wouldn't matter what president trump did. i think i think jack smith was going to go. i think the fact that merrick garland

picked jack smith, the same guy who was looking for ways to go after the very people that lowest learn the irs targeted 15 years ago, a conservative tea party people around the country. i think the fact that he picked jack smith just changed everything he was going to go after president trump, no matter what he did. i mean, i just think that's and then of course i just think that's the case. and it because we've seen it time and time again, that whole litany of examples where they've used this law, fair, this weaponization of government to go after president trump but laura today wasn't about president trump. today was about robert hur's examination of joe biden. and we laid out the facts there. robert hur laid out the facts. that's what we when when jack smith completes this, when that's all over all, come on and talk about that. but i know jack smith's been out to get president trump from the get-go. and i actually think that's why the justice department, merrick garland selected. >> but you brought up different former president donald trump as part of the double standard and there's also great explanation and pains from this report. >> know you brought brought it you brought up the fact that democrats brought up president trump and that's why i gave that three people ran for

president secretary clinton, president biden, president trump, only ones, but they all had, they've all been accused of mishandling classified documents, but only one of them is getting acute. >> i hear you and i do hear you. let's not do the chicken and the egg dance for a second in which came first, trump was raised today where you are the conversation noted trump was raised today in front of the hearing, as well as some comparisons are made from others. hillary clinton is a favorite as well. of course, the documents that she was reported to have james comey, as we know, address those as carelessly maintain, but chose not to pursue prosecution with the us attorney. and of course, the attorney general for various reasons, but i want to focus again on this double standard congressmen because there is a distinction between the behavior post recognition of the possession of documents. and so the behavior of biden to speak with the investigators to hand over documents and beyond is very different than what at the former president donald trump did. does that not factor

in it all for you that there are key distinctions and how one double down on the other cooperator that doesn't matter at all. >> a double standard is you you said it, careless behavior. that's how that's how you said former fbi director comey, characterized secretary clinton careless behavior. i'm not going to prosecute with joe biden. it was oh, he's a forgetful old man who might appear sympathetic to a jury i'm not going to prosecute even though he retained information into disclosed it to someone who wasn't allowed to get it. i'm not going to prosecute, but with president trump, we're going to go after him because we don't think he cooperate all right. enough. that's that's it. that's the allegation that hasn't been proven. we've got the final report from from robert hur and we know what took place there. there is definitely a double standard and it goes against here's the other thing. this is the justice department prosecuting. there the president's political opponent joe biden's justice department has gone after the guy he's running against for president of the united states that to me is also critically important.

and i think the american people evaluate it that way as well. >> why does the fact that you've got a special counsel assigned to oversee it and he himself, in response to questions today, mr. hur said that he did not feel restricted. he did not feel interfered with hidden think there was any undue influence. if you have the resources he needed to fully investigate this. he was previously a trump appointee, and he has made statements that colleagues like adam schiff had called gratuities about his memory. i do wonder though statements, these are supposed to congress, but it was a point, it was appointed by merrick garland. i mean, merrick garland does by, the congressman, excuse me. he was appointed for this by merrick garland in the past. that's one of the trump appointment but that's what matters. the attorney general for joe biden, merrick garland appointed him as the special counsel. that's what matters. so okay. the democrats, what they're going to get mad at and robert hur and say all the

things i said in the hearing today. he was appointed by the democrat attorney general for goodness sake, and he found what he found any didn't prosecute for goodness sake. again, i think highlighting this double-standard. >> well, i do wonder one more point about this because in the past and i remember this came out after the mother report. you wanted the public when it came to having read the special counsel report, and of course, i'm paraphrasing you here. when i when i bring this up that you believed it was appropriate to move on and get back to the business of legislating and now it seems that you want to pursue the audio and beyond why do you why are you not satisfied by the conclusion of the special counsel? is it because the results real so it's not what you'd like because you seem to be i would always recession. i just want to thank you very clear for the audience. they can get the benefit of both of our conversations. or you were you are in line with the finding that in the belief that his memory was an issue, but

then the conclusion of the report seems to be the only thing that's problematic. so can you really have it both ways? >> i think i think robert hur and to some extent this is having it both ways. joe biden met the elements of the crime, but because he's a sympathetic guy who forgetful older man we're not going to prosecute. okay. >> that's the thing >> well, let us see for ourselves, give us the audio tapes, not just a joe biden, but all the witnesses you talked to. we've got the transcripts this morning from just joe biden. we'd like all the transcripts and frankly, we'd like the audio tapes, as i said, for every witness, 147 witnesses. he talked to. we'd like that information and oh, by the way, the white house did try to influence them there were five letters sent to about the special counsel over the course of his one-year investigation, the first three all went to over over that time-frame. all went to robert hur the last two they tried to jump over him when they went to the associate deputy attorney general, and to merrick garland himself saying, we think the report should be changed and they were trying to change the

very section where just talking about where robert hur reference joe biden's mental state and the fact that he's forgetful, older man so they didn't try to influence that the special the special counsel for the president, the white house, his lawyer, and also his personal lawyer sent letters to the attorney general and the associate deputy attorney general after the report was given to the white house. first, they tried to get a change before we the people in the congress got the actual report i know we have to go and i do think if you're a time, but if i can ask one more question, have you, congressman? >> it seems >> to believe well, thank you. but it's our conversation it's very clear that you believe that president biden broke the law if he is the baseline is donald trump. the next level of the law breaking such that he should also be prosecuted. >> you're missing the point, laura, it's about the same standard equal application of the law. know doubles. we've seen it, no we have seen this double standard time i didn't say joe biden to be prosecuted and certainly president trump

shouldn't be what i'm saying is apply the law across the board equally. that is a hallmark of our system. and a bunch of people in this grave the country, millions of americans think government has been weaponized against we, the people we see at time of whether it's censoring certain thoughts and big government weighing in with big tech on and on it goes. so that is the concern. and particularly this justice department that said parents who go to school board meetings are terrorists, pro-life catholics are extremists and the unep, the unequal application of the law. that is my concern. and that's what has to change because that is a hallmark of this country. the greatest country ever. >> well, we will have to conclude for the day. thank you for your time. i'm sure you were very exhausted. i appreciate taking the time to talk to us this evening. >> my pleasure, laura, take care. >> thank you. >> let's talk about this now and the testimony he got republican strategist shermichael singleton, former biden 2020 campaign adviser, ashley allison, cnn senior justice correspondent evan perez, and former federal prosecutor, elliot williams. evan, you heard the conversation as you all did? because our audio is clear.

mask you when you were hearing the conversation there there were some moments in terms of the dismissal of the points that really were in the robert hurt document, particularly what couldn't be proven, right. >> i mean, look, the congressman is known for how he talks very quickly. that was rapid fire fire, and there was a lot there that i think it just needs to be, you know, perhaps corrected. right. because there's a lot of things that that he said that if you read the report and if you look at what the investigation found, they just don't align with what he's saying. so a couple of things one of the things that he is talking think about is the idea that the joe biden was talking to his to his ghost writer. one of the things at the end of today's hearing, ken buck was the last guy, was the guy who was playing bad and clean up at the end of the hearing, he asked one of the most one of the most illuminating questions, which is to get robert hur to address why it was that when when he

was talking to the ghostwriter and said was alleged to have been sharing classified information. why wasn't that enough you know, what was missing. and her explained that he said that the house that biden was living coming in was a rented house in virginia that it is possible the documents were never there and you read the transcript of this interview they spent a lot of time in that interview trying to talk to you, biden and asked him about that. they were trying to get into his head of what was he thinking when he said, i just found classified? documents downstairs. >> and what >> they concluded, what hur concluded is that they couldn't stand that up. they couldn't prove that a the documents were ever there or that he even knew what he was talking about. they might have been confused. right. but at the nature of the documents >> included evidence that was classified as opposed to notebooks and lying, right. >> and my by the way, that's

what that's one of the key things is that the ideas of these notebooks, whether they were classified or whether there are diaries and should be treated the way ronald reagan treated his diaries that's part of this, this, this larger story, right? there's another thing that he gets into which is this idea that there was a two-tiered system of justice is something we've heard a lot from republicans over the last few months. and it really doesn't hold up because if you look at the trump case, you can see clearly what happened there, right? if he had simply returned the documents, if he had simply responded to a subpoena or lawful subpoena from a judge to return documents. he would never have been charged. >> and >> so there would have been exactly the same thing, right? joe biden sat for a five hours of interviews >> when >> when when president trump was under investigation by the molar investigation, he had a take-home test and responded in written form. so there's so many things that he's right.

there's different systems. i mean, there's different ways but it's not the way he i think perceives it. >> i am always curious about the way in which people talk about the two-tiered system of justice only as relates to donald trump. and nothing has relates to the average defendant in this country >> is that for me >> i mean, i'm so confused on what republicans actually want in this moment. >> so what >> was the point of today's hearing for a gotcha moment that they never got right so they say hillary clinton wasn't and taking the trout. well, she wasn't president. she ran for president. a lot of people run for president, but she never actually became president. mike pence was vice president. he found classified documents where it says special counsel it's not the case because he did what joe biden did. in this instance, the justice department decided not to have a two-tiered justice system. system. they said, we have a special counsel for donald trump and you know what we're going to have one for joe biden and they're going to

independently without merrick garland getting into the case, go over and the outcomes will be the outcomes merrick garland didn't interfere her testified that today with the outcomes of it, but then when they read to your question that you asked him is like, well, what part of the report are you okay with saying is real and others that are not grounded on real substance. >> so you are okay with saying that >> you think he's a forgetful old man because that place to your benefit, but you're not okay with her saying i'm not there's no grounds because he didn't break the law or didn't he wouldn't say exonerate, but he shouldn't go to trial because they wouldn't be able to get a conviction. so i find it weird that some of it they are satisfied with because it plays to their advantage in some of it, they don't that's politics. >> i mean it as politics me like i think hurricane office, someone it is not a partisan political actor. i think a lot of republicans to point that asked me just made they were hoping her was going to buy more into the idea that biden is this old fever person because politically a lot of people look at the president and they do believe he's too old. republicans, democrats life for the most part do agree

on that disadvantage. biden compared to trump? i ever played politically speaking, i'm not certain that this moves the needle, but what it does do it and you heard the congressman talk about this at the very end of your discussion. he talked about the weaponization of government. why are they going after the individual who's running against the president? they went after the moms and school boards. he went down this litany of things as grievance that a lot of republican voters do have about the justice system, about the current political bureaucracy, generally speaking, and about president biden. and i think ultimately that's what this is more about mobilizing those republican maga supporters than it really is about finding a smoking gun because i think most people who saw this probably walked away. he said i didn't really learn anything new, but >> elliot, there is a question that way rhetorical well as to why they're going after certain people, typically the former president, there's the answer to it, and her describes it. yeah. >> well, you in block and i think ashley allison described it perfectly with two words. mike pence and i think so much of this has become a binary choice between why are they

charging donald trump, but not joe biden and so on, forget trump and biden look at the case of pence. it's another instance of an individual who behaved as you can even say, joe biden, irresponsibly with respect to classified documents as virtually every president and vice president in american history has in some way. now the question is, could you criminally prove that this person violated? violated statute. the simple fact is, with respect to joe biden, you could not the simple fact is with respect to mike pence, you could not based on the evidence that is in the record with respect to president trump, you can it's there. >> and then >> on top of the misbehavior with respect to the dr. there's the added crime of obstruction of justice, which you do not i don't have by any stretch of the imagination with joe biden or mike pence. and so all of this rush to make it a binary double standard between retreating one president different than another. you're forgetting the sort of control sample in this test, which is you had a vice president, the united states, who engage in

largely the same conduct and also wasn't charged because neither of them committed crime but for voters, it is a binary choice. i want to be clear on. it really is no shermichael various absolutely fine. >> allison >> guess guess what, you can't get a conviction off of narrative of what you're dealing only evidence if you can get fixed, have a feeling, man plenty more to discuss. everyone stick around. >> please do stick around. there's more to donald trump. he is inching closer to that magic number. we will go straight to david chalian at the delegate dance ask as the former president is now minutes away from ending, officially this republican nominating contest. more special, cnn live coverage, standby what happened to the golden boy of new jersey governor jim aggreviate. >> i engaged in adults consensual affair with another man shocking. >> was it an instant attraction? >> yeah. >> greed. these top fundraiser under investigation, he put a lover want to stay payroll reasons immigrating, resigned

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delegates at stake in georgia. we're now able to allocate all 59 delegates to donald trump, who we projected earlier this evening, will win the state of georgia in this primary beneath he's not going to get a high enough statewide percentage to win any delegates here, even though she's dropped out of the rate race, all 59 delegates, donald trump, that means add that to his total. he's at 11, 88. now, notice up there, it says 12-15. he needs 1,215 delegates to secure cure the republican nomination. he is 27 delegates away. we are waiting for the polls to close in washington state and just six minutes or so, and we will see if we're able to get him over the top with the initial vote returns from washington state, abby. >> all right. we will be standing by for that, david. thank you. and we have much more of our continuing coverage of the primaries tonight. polls close as david just said, in washington state and just a few minutes standby for that laura

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crossing his delegate threshold. thanks to georgia, the symmetry there sets up a 2020 rematch turns the temperature all the way up. i don't already contentious fever pitched battle fueled by hundreds of millions of dollars >> cnn well, director david chalian joins us now with a look at that delegate count, the critical number that will say if joe biden and donald trump will end up locking in their nominations, david cnn plucky that president biden clinch the democratic nomination early in the evening, but we're still actually waiting on trump. so where does that stand? >> yes. we're waiting for some votes to come in for washington state. i don't see any yet as i checked the latest tallies here, but that will likely put donald trump over the top, look at where we are. laura, donald trump needs 1,215 delegates to secure the room republican party nomination. there's no mystery. we know donald trump is going to be the republican nominee. he is currently at 1,180 '80s, 27 delegates away.

let's take a look at what that means in terms of percentages because this is really an astonishing number donald trump has won 92% of the delegates already awarded in this republican nomination, got this 92%. a former president who is on trial across four criminal cases, dominating this republican nomination season, the party overwhelmingly selecting him to be their standard bearer going forward. what does that mean in terms of what donald trump needs here only needs 2.4% of all the remaining delegates. this nomination season to secure the party's nomination, he's gonna get that in these next few moments, probably as we await vote from washington state. and because it is a quasi winner-take-all, if the candidate is more than feared gets more than 50% of the vote, roughly, they're going to get all the delegates. and so we expect in washington state donald trump to cross that threshold and hit a real pivot

moment as he becomes the presumptive republican nominee, laura and the democratic side, david joe biden, did get the nomination, i guess, cleanse for delegates not long ago. what is the latest for him >> yeah, he's well over that 1,968 needed to secure the democratic nomination is at 2011. he'll continue to add to his delegate total tonight. but joe biden, who as you know, is on his fourth campaign for the presidency in his life, has secured the debris mechanic party nomination for reelection here, the delegates will make an official in chicago this summer at the democratic national convention. but it is astonishing to see that with all the concerns many democrats had about joe biden as their standard bearer. this cycle, given his age, the vitality questions and whatnot that he really didn't have much competition, whatever that handwringing had been, it didn't materialize into any substantial candidacy to threaten his nomination in any way, this entire season. and

tonight, he crossed the threshold and is the presumptive democratic nominee david chalian. >> thank you so much. john king is at the magic wall, fred's with the latest on what we're seeing, john, what can you tell us? >> well, laura now is david notes. we move on. right. it's not official yet, but the joe biden is the presumptive democratic nominee, donald trump, in a matter of minutes should be the presumptive republican nominee. this is the democratic map. show you there propublica maps just waiting to see, watch as i'm talking to see if any votes come in up in washington state there the polls are now closed. so what do you do now if you're the candidates, there's a lot you can't control. but donald trump has something he control. he has to pick a running mate, right? once you going to get on that decision, he has to deal with his trials that, you know, better than most coming up. when are they scheduled, how they affect the campaign? those are things he has to deal with so biden has to address weaknesses from the primary. so let's start with him because he's going to be on the road the next few days, right. where's he going? you know, he's got a schedule in michigan. remember, uncommitted got 13% of the vote. they're younger voters, arab americans in the state of michigan, especially mad over the president's israel hamas

policies. he has to deal with that. he's also moving on to wisconsin. sue, we haven't had a primary there yet. but this was a battleground state, 11,000 votes last time i was out there a couple of months ago. joe biden has a morale problem. the motivation and excitement problem, especially in the black community in milwaukee, that's where he's going to be for an infrastructure event. so you see that so address your weaknesses now you have eight months to november with the conventions in between. for donald trump, we're seeing more evidence of that but tonight, again, waiting for washington state that will put them over the top. but laura, you look at atlanta and again, if you just look at this, right, that's all donald trump. and it's 85%. so if you're a trump republican, you're saying, wow, big win, that's great, that's awesome. and he's going to clinch tonight. >> that's all true that's big if you're a republican and you're a trump fan, that's awesome. and he's going to clinch tonight. but when you look in here, nikki, haley's out of the race still, right? remember georgia was 11,000 votes in 2020 in the general election, joe biden won. this is dekalb county. nikki haley's getting 40%. she's not in the race anymore. donald trump's problem in the suburbs

continues, move up a little bit over here to gwinnett county. donald trump getting 70 december sent there. that's better, but still 20% in the suburbs for nikki haley fulton county, atlanta in the suburbs around it, overwhelmingly democratic area. it will be blue in november, however, if you're donald trump, you need to cut into the margins by getting some of those suburban votes. nikki haley getting 38%, they're just move over and look here at cobb county, 22% there. so throughout this, right in georgia, laura and throughout this only vermont going from nikki haley and overwhelmingly strong performance for donald trump in the primaries. as david noted, 92% of the delegates so far that percentage likely to go up when washington state comes in and the states that have yet to vote, but, but even as you see strength if you're a smart campaign, you're starting your weaknesses for donald trump. that is in the suburbs >> john king. thank you so much. standby. again, we are minutes away from seeing the first results out of washington state where the polls have just closed. kristen holmes has been speaking with her sources inside the trump campaign.

kristen, what are you hearing from them? >> well laura, about tonight, not really much, because if you think about donald trump has really been acting as though he is the presumptive nominee for several weeks even before nikki haley dropped out, they were starting to pivot to the general election looking at these key battleground states. and i do want to address something that john was just talking about in terms of these suburban voters. this is something that donald trump's campaign knows that they have to work on. they see a weakness there. what they're trying to do now is fine to other voting blocs, particularly democratic voting blocs in which they see cracks in the system in terms of people who maybe are disinterested in biden, who don't want to vote for the president. and they want you to try to siphon those voters off one key demographics in georgia black male voters, they see an opening there now, part of that is that they want to actively recruit black voters. they have seen a small tick in polls between the exit polls in 2,016.20, 20 in terms of black support, they also think that donald trump could bring in some of those voters. they do not think that they're going to

change the entire demographic or voting bloc. this is just about getting enough voters to offset those suburban voters to offset those independent voters in michigan, you're looking at working class voters. that's what donald trump's team is trying to do to drive a wedge between biden and that traditionally democratic voting bloc, which is labor unions. we have seen that time and time again. donald trump has been courting the teamsters, trying to get any rank and file members he can. now what they're really working on now is the strategy to take over the rnc and take over the party and use that infrastructure in these key battleground states. and i was told by a number of advisers that there really seven states that they're the most focused on that includes michigan, georgia, arizona, pennsylvania states that they believe are going to be very competitive, that they believe some of them which donald trump won in 2016 and lost in 2020. and they believe that they could take again, and they are necessary to take again on the path to the white house. so what you're going to start seeing in the upcoming weeks is donald trump building out there not only ground game in these

states using the currency and the infrastructure, they already have. but also honing in on the strategy they want for these particular battleground states. because again, donald trump is going to have his voters turnout. they are motivated to turn out in these southern states in these red states, it's all about the critical purple states. can he drive turnout and can they try to depress turnout for biden enough to get him into the white house. >> the great offset kristen holmes. thank you so much, abby >> and as we talked tonight about the presidential matchup, there is also suspense in congress in washington, the republicans, they have a razor thin majority in the house and it just got a little thinner. colorado republican congress when ken buck, he made a surprise announcement today that he is resigning at the end of next week, bach had already said that he wasn't going to run for reelection in november but he told cnn's dana bash that he couldn't wait any longer. >> but a lot of this is personal. that's the problem. instead of having the quorum instead of operating in a

professional manner, this place has just evolved into this it's bickering and nonsense and not really doing the job for the american people >> is it that bad that you're saying? >> i'm done? >> it is the worst year of the nine years and three months that i've been in congress. and having talked to former members, it's the worst year in 40, 50 years to be in congress i'll tell us how you really feel. box decision will trim the republicans slim edge in the house to 218 seats compared to 213 for the democrats. that means speaker mike johnson can only afford to lose two republicans on any given party line vote. let's get back to our panel here in new york. scott wow. but he's not wrong. >> it does suck to be in >> congress in general, but it seems like for republicans, are you really mean in the house? >> yeah. >> i'll you spent do is spend your time raising money when you're a republican, you're spending time all your time raising money and taking votes

on things that don't seem to matter all that much. >> colby old-fashioned, but i'm still of the opinion that if you go to the voters of a congressional district and ask them to send you to congress for two years. >> should >> do your job. i mean, i appreciate that he is having a bad experience and i appreciate that he personally feels like he's inconvenienced by being in the united states congress but i think for most people who get up, go to work for a living every day. not every day is a lot of pfk-1. now, does it set to be in congress? i don't know. it's better than other jobs you could have, i guess, all right. >> everyone standby just one second. we have a major projection to make right here on cnn. cnn can now officially project that donald trump has eclipsed the delegate threshold to officially clench the republican nomination for president of the united states. we can say that because cnn can project the former president has won washington state. that milestone puts the country on a path toward a 2020 rematch. david chalian is back back with

us here. david give us an update on where we stand now in this delegate watch. >> yeah. you just said it, abby, donald trump has crossed the threshold. the former president has yet again secured the republican party nomination for the third presidential election cycle in a row, 1,215 delegates are needed to win look at that donald trump number. he is now at 1,200 delegates. this is after we were able to allocate 31 delegates from washington state into donald trump's column. he's going to win washington state tonight. we still have 12 delegates from washington state to assign, but we have enough in donald trump's column to put them over the edge look at where we are at donald trump's trajectory overall in this race. 1,219 delegates. and if you look at it by percentages you will see donald trump has won overwhelmingly the vast majority north of 92% of the delegates up for grabs in this

nomination. season so far, a big percentage to close it out. he makes it look as if it was really never in doubt for the former president abbie. >> if you look at that disparate already, there, it's huge. and this also makes donald trump one of the earliest to clinch the nominations at this point. and a primary process i wanna go now to john king, who's over at the magic wall so john, what more are we learning now that we have washington state officially projected in donald trump's column, how did he get here? >> i think david just laid out the numbers sometimes you don't need words just look just look one state, vermont for nikki haley, coast-to-coast for main and south carolina and georgia along the east coast all the way over to california. alaska is not really there on your map. you all know that, folks, it's up here. that's where we put a tape can see it. but from coast-to-coast, a donald trump march with one exception, the state of vermont and in washington state tonight came over the top right now he said 73% of the vote. again, conversation we'd be having throughout the primary

campaign. abby, great strength for donald trump, big wins for donald trump more than 90% of the delegates for donald trump. but you are seeing some weaknesses in the sense that especially in suburban areas, let's just go to king county right here where seattle is the biggest population center in the state of washington. nikki haley at the moment bowman getting 34% of the vote. donald trump is getting 61%, 60% wins. this is a blue democratic area. so a lot of republicans, your home are saying, so what you're not going to win washington state if you're donald trump, but if you want to win the suburbs and other places, you'd have to learn the lessons everywhere. so you're seeing a bit of it here, even though washington state has put donald trump over the top, you see needs 12, 15, good to have at least 12, 19. that number is going to go up. they'll get more of the delegates from washington. we allocate them. he'll get hawaii later on tonight. but from washington, atlanta also came into georgia. forgive me, in the suburbs around georgia again, you see the same problem. nikki haley, and dekalb county getting 40% if you round up in fulton county? yes. i know republicans to huge democratic area, but you can't get you can't let your republican opponent get that. that means you're weak amongst suburban moderates who

could go for joe biden in a key battleground state in the fall. so for both of these candidates here's your map for donald trump. here's your map for joe biden. it is march 12. we officially have presumptive nominees. now, the many, many more questions abby, between now and the conventions, the conventions that no november, including a running mate for donald trump. and how many third-party candidates make the ballots in what states? >> yeah, exactly right. john king. thank you very much. and back here in new york with our panel, scott, after all of this it's trump and biden again. >> yeah. what america we can hear the cheering outside its deafening. the people who were so excited about what we're about to take him down. >> the goal yet it's overwhelming. i mean, looking at those maps, it's all blue and pretty much all read. it may not be hugely exciting, but the voters spoke in a resounding fashion. >> i actually think it is exciting because i have no idea who's going to win. i mean, some days i wake up and think trump has the advantage. some days i think, you know, incumbent president would have the advantage. i know this

since the state of the union the polling has looked very good for joe biden right now in the national polling average, he has at his lowest job approval of his presidency. and donald trump looks like he just rolled up a really easy victory in the republican party. so right now and i have to say trump's ahead. we've got a long way to go, but trump's trump looks like he's got the momentum right now to me he also has a really interesting advantage of trump for all of his problems. >> the bar by >> his voters is set very low, right? i mean, he can be a liar. he can be a loser, a literal loser who lost it all for the white house, the house, the senate. he could be a convicted criminal and they would still vote for him. he could be a rapist, he can be all the things he can flood policy, he can change his mind on policy for joe biden, his voters hold him to a much higher standard. >> you have >> key constituencies and black voters, hispanic voters, young voters who are telling joe biden do better be better for us israel is a big issue. he is

having to deal with with his own party when he flubs democrats are worried about his age, about his fitness >> so >> trump has this advantage and have thing entirely loyal voter base for for whom the bar is set incredibly low and biden has to deal with a very high bar set by his voters. meanwhile, we're all looking for the bar to drown our sorrows. >> you get this data here all night new york frustration >> that is exactly what se is talking about. the frustration i hear from democrats right now is exactly that they think the biden is being held to a higher standard democrats go but it's also democrats holding him to that standard to, they are in sus absolutely right i mean, what did donald trump say? i could walk out and 50 shoot somebody and i would get away with it. i mean, the fact that

matter was we laughed at him at the time and the reality is he probably could good, good, good get away with it nowadays. the right now where democrats need to do in look, there's still so many, so much road ahead of us. democrats really need to stop attacking, you know, their guy if they want him to win in november. now congresswoman omar, who you interviewed last hour she said that she was behind joe biden and that she was going to be behind them. well, all her friends better get behind joe biden because what i've certainly have seen with the gaza in israel situation is that it's spreading beyond the muslim communities. it is spreading to young people who weren't necessarily engaged. and now we are becoming engaged. and i do think that that is problematic for the democratic party. >> there's another differentiation that we do see in the polls. the new york times sienna poll from a couple of weeks ago >> so it's something similar. donald trump, when you ask people who voted for him in 2020, 97% of them say they're coming right back. joe biden, that same question. he's at mid '80s.

>> he's gotten some consolidating to do or democrats acknowledging that >> of course he's got some consolidating to do the polls are obvious that this is not a great poll position from to be in the difference here is though mostly donald trump's vote hasn't really changed that much. this is all about joe biden, voters who have fallen away and they've got to get them to come back. and as my friends some some other friends of mine would say, it's a lot easier to get a lapse bath that does to come back to church than it is to convince them by to convert to your religion, right? so you've got to just go back out there and go and proselytize right to these folks who have said that. i'm not so happy that people that se were just talking about who are on the fence about joe biden. but here's the thing we gave donald trump of field test, right? >> everybody was nervous in >> 2016 and we thought, boy, we're really taking a gamble. we picked down trump will see what happens. we gave him a field test when the crisis struck, when the biggest crisis of the american experience, probably 100 years happened. he failed it miserably failed at

miserably with the pandemic, right >> we were all in a horrible place. then he loses the election time for him to have a peaceful transfer of power. every president going back to george washington has done this well, he not just flubbed it, he took the exact opposite position of a peaceful transfer of power and helped form an insurrection, right? so we have seen this and then joe biden's field test. we have an economy that's growing. we're getting back to where we're supposed to be. he's like a normal person. you may not agree with him on all the policy, but he's not screwing it up. >> scott, i'm seeing your brow was furrowed. i'm going to give you the last word you claim that more people died from covid on joe biden's watch, the ball trump as number one. number two if you want to talk about why people are coming off, it's not just the israel hamas war it's the economy, it's inflation. there are core democrat working class union, non-college educated, multiracial, coalition type

voters who are past that gay buy a house, they can't buy a car >> there. they're running in place at best. and they are not in line with the democratic party culturally. and they're looking for somebody who even speaks a language. they understand. that's why biden is having trouble, and that's why they're shopping around for donald trump. >> i know you said last word prescribed i just say this. there is a cultural moment that people do agree with, which is that they are pro-democracy and they also think women's, you have abortion rights. and we have seen those two issues, election after election. well, matter >> get about, don't forget about that. that's not a side note. it was good that you stepped into that. that's a central issue in this election. so we got to remember that that's what's coming down the pike for democrats and republicans. laura, back to you >> thank you. you know, there's so much to unpack. first of all, you guys, we have now officially the official rematch and i see all of you excited. you, ashley allison, what's your reaction? it's official. i mean, it's at the

nomination or the actual conventions, but you've got the trump rematch and voters. here's this time to lean in >> yes. >> so i think on the republican side it's clear that it's gonna be donald trump that sets the narrative for the entire race for his voters. i think on the democratic side, it will be joe biden doing the umbrella like top 30,000 foot approach but i think actually part of building the coalition is building a coalition of people also running for office and being able to carry out a message to say from the top of the ticket all the way down, we are trying to make sure on the state-level we're protecting women's rights to choose nationally will protect women's right to choose. we want to protect democracy so we can elect city council member members and governors on off-cycle racist and on presidential when result comes in, we get it certified and we don't have an insurrection. and i think that if the democrats can actually weave those narratives together, i understand the whole coalition is not there

yet, and jamal said earlier is like an easy, it's easy to get somebody to come back that's a church then to get to them to convert. it's also easier to win an argument when you don't yell at people and tell them they're stupid for believing something and said, you listen to them, you come in dialogue and you have conversation. you find your commonalities that's the whole point of building, building a coalition. you don't always get your way. you don't always get your way. the republicans are acting like that in the house right now, but that's how you build a coalition and eventually you are able to weed the numbers together to win the race. >> well, i mean, a lot of republican voters feel that they're being talked down to and dish respected and discarded by many people in your party. but look, i think this is going to be a very, very tight race and you talked about the abortion issue. we know that democrats are attempting to get abortion on ballots across the country. republicans should be concerned about that. that's likely going to drive up turnout. scott mentioned the economy that is a pivotal issue that the former president is leading compared to the current president. people trust him

more. they believe the economy was better than, than it is now, you're looking at on the margins. so as a strategist, i'm looking at variable ability here. what's my range and what's my variance from the individuals in the middle that i know where they are but the other individuals that their number two are the number three issue. how can i communicate to them to ultimately move them not to get into all the math, but that's what strategist that's what both of these campaigns need to absolutely focused on going into know remember, i think now that it's somewhat official but we shouldn't underestimate the degree to which so many americans are really resisting this inevitability. i have spent the last several months traveling, the country to some of these battlegrounds states speaking to voters and they were really resisting this. we're seeing, i think a large appetite, this cycle for third-party candidates, people flirting with third-party candidates in a way that may be previously they didn't. there were a lot of republican voters hanging on with nikki haley until the bitter end. and so that really is of concern. and

then when you listen to the messages from the campaigns, a lot of it gets in an affirmative argument for why they should be the ones voters should choose. a lot of it is the alternative is so much worse that is not really an inspiring message to newer voters, to first-time voters and not vote for a vote against exactly. and so i'm curious to see how they bring especially young people into the fold because you have to inspire millennials and gen x, gen z there to vote for something >> to your point, eva, about this idea of the inevitability i think was the word you used that this is now happening and i'm and i'm genuinely curious about whether people have really confronted the idea of trump, the candidate. now, there's trump, the idea still sort of frozen in amber from 20 in 20, but for the most part, for the last several years, he's been an outside agitator, but not a candidate for office. he's not debated. another

republican. he has not debated the president, the united states. and now that people were starting to tune in everybody knows donald trump already knows joe biden, but i'm really curious as to now, he's actually a candidate. how does that change things? it might not at all as scott was saying just a moment ago certainly people might stay with him, stay on the team, or defect or not. but i think that this next couple of months with the reality of trump, not the idea of trump. i really want to see work. you know, i don't >> think that every voter is going to vote for the same reason. yeah. so i do think some people will go to the polls well, it's because the alternative of donald trump is so scary that they just cannot imagine those may be some of those nikki haley voters. and that's the message you continue to drive for them. but for the young folks, i think you can do the look at the alternative. somebody who wants to continue to destroy our environment. joe biden has done more for climate stop climate change, and any president in its history and

people were surprised and before and during the midterms, people really credit it hit for him and i think that he's hit a patch where he's going to have to figure out how to tell people this is not election on one issue there's an election, people live complex lives. and so we need to talk to voters as though they're not going to vote on one issue. they're going to go about the totality of circumstances that really will impact our lives. and i think when you come down to it to scott's point about working class voters, when union folks here, how donald trump feels about right to work versus union, union protections there needs to be some conversations with those members and say like he is not trying to protect your job, he is not fighting for you. he may say some of the things in the rally that make you feel warm and tingly and side. but when it comes down to it, you won't have a job or protecting your job because of that. i think he can joe biden can win those voters that you do see the republican party. sort of change becoming working class voter party, predominantly white working class individuals. if there's clearly some resonance with donald trump that they no longer see that resemblance within a democratic party or

president biden, you also have to look at through 11 and through z asm gap republicans for the most part, are excited about voting for donald trump. many democratic voters are not excited about voting for joe biden that's a very, very serious problem for the president who in 2020 had the relative people staying home, they voted by mail because of covid that's not a reality this time around. >> you think those nikki haley voters are excited to vote for 80% of them will vote for donald trump. are they excited about it? they may not have to be excited. all have to do is go for trump that's what's the over under oh, sorry. march madness i have a different but march madness bracket. i may add that one next time. everyone stick around. abby, laura, >> thank you. and standby for another major projection cnn can now officially project the joe biden will win the state of washington. it adds to his delegate count in the democratic primary fight that he just ascended hours ago 92% of the vote is in there and the president will clear well ahead of the field, there and up next

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listen. >> he is the first mainstream republican leader to come out of a meeting with joe biden didn't really start to make this case. and it's amazing that they started to make this case would be pivot into the general election. i've been wondering when someone was, what someone was going to do it, but it is also true that foreign leaders meet with the president and they say he's fine. i was in the white house. i've seen the president up close. i've watched him interact with my old boss, vice president. he is he has a given take and in america saw it at the state of the union. so i feel like this is a question that has been asked and has now been answered. the president will continue to go back out and show people week after week that he's up to doing the job from all yes. >> i mean, listen >> this is a give me an alternative fact. people's eyes are not partisan here, and you a good chunk of democrats, half of them concerned about his age and fitness voters, i don't mean biden's inner circle and people that used to work for him. i mean, voters who can see, he's lost a step and i

don't understand the embarrassment over that. you can admit it. he's lost a step, but he's not crazy. i didn't say the alternative i didn't say that he was doing in this 40 he was a 40-year-old joe biden. people watched him at the state of the union denial and they saw him able to have a conversation >> i'm telling you, listen, i'm not i'm going to vote for joe biden if this is the this is the matchup. >> absolutely but i don't think it does any service to him or his candidacy to say, look, he he proved it all wrong. this questions answered shut up about it anymore. we've got till november. i guarantee you. he's going to have a moment, at least one or two. >> the last thing, let's look at the president's schedule over the last few days and the president scheduled coming up look at donald trump's schedule. donald trump is not really campaigning as hard as you know, by exactly what i'm talking to ban either but i don't think you can make that comparison look. joe biden's doing the job of running for president. congratulations, that's a pretty low bar. he

wants to be president again >> moved the bill, move the bar though because as a week or two weeks ago, people were saying, can the president, can joe biden even go out in america and campaign? will we ever really see him? can he hold the conversation? is he like dribbling in themselves? seems like doors are really raising the question whether joe biden was going to be in a basement for this entire presidential cycle and he's i mean, those are conspiracy theorists jesse waters, i mean, real people people are saying, it looks like he's lost a step. he is not as agile as he used to be. he will be closer to 90 at the end of a second term than 80. and are we really about to elect, nominate and elect to people that are this old and obviously losing steps. >> you just two quick one is for the speaker of the house to go out and say something like that when he has to negotiate with the president over the next couple of months, over spending bills. and i know they don't always has negotiated with the president as well. he's already been at the white house to talk to him exactly.

>> i mean, i don't know if look, i'm not surprised that he said it. you would have expected date to hear that in august when there's no more negotiating, do you know across the board? i do find this interesting know, because this has become, you know, the big topic of age. and i do find it interesting that we do have these it's two very older men, older because i am probably closer to them in age than i am. some of you folks, right. >> but regardless of that, that are making decisions that are making decisions for my 18.19 year-old it is amazing. i mean, they're, you know, if you look at actuary tables, neither are going to be around very much longer. >> and it is well, it well, it is amazing that they are making decisions based upon their worldview when the worldview of 20 wells right now is not the same as the worldview of year-old jerrald side. >> don't really important ideological point for sure the idea that you're going to be able to change public opinion about biden's age. man, i know what you're saying and what

you got to do. >> it's like pushing a boat, get younger, you're pushing a boulder up a hill and at any given time you know, the boulder could get away from you and roll all the way back down to the bottom. it's when you've got polling that's showing 86% of americans think he can't get through another term or he's not up to it. as se pointed out, lots of democrats, it just it strikes me. you'll never drag that number closer to something that's manageable. so the only thing you can do with it is what the campaign actually already tried to do. they put out this ad where he kind of leaned into a little bit. i mean, i don't think they're ever going to be able to fix it, but i don't know what other choice strategically they have except to say, okay, fine. i'm old, but it's okay for these ramsey other choice that they have, which they are also doing is pointing out correctly that donald trump is also 77 years old and i mean, you can call them gaps. you can say he's lost a step he makes all kinds of wild mistakes. every single day. yeah, some people do point that out and they should point it out. you know, donald trump's issues are far more

nefarious to me than joe biden's age. i'm worried about joe biden and i think that is the strategy is to say exactly that they're more nefarious. >> it's your only option because they're men of a similar age, you can't say, well, he's slightly older. i'm lightly on. that doesn't work either. there are men of a certain age, and i think you have to draw the contrast and the stakes and the stakes are yes, i'm old. but this guy is crazy, absolutely crazy. and telling you to your face that he's crazy and he wants to become a dictator on the first day of office. but that should be the strategy the age debate though, about something in my opinion, different than just the numeric age. it's it really is a question of strength versus weakness. and i think that's how people that's what i've seen in the polling. people are perceiving it. one of these guys is strong enough to solve a problem, whatever your a major problem is. and one of them looks like there's so weak that they've let problems get away from them. and i don't think he would ever be strong enough to reel them back in. so when you think

about narratives about campaigns and about candidates and just the average voter, one looks strong i know he's older, but he looks he looks strong and vigorous and biden does not. and i don't know if you'll ever be able to change that dynamic >> when we started to get at it, a man, when we start to get out of as strong in pursuit of what bright, there's, there's a real question on the table about in pursuit of what and what we do know is donald trump put the supreme court in place that got rid of roe v. wade, right? and american women had decided they are not happy and the men who loved them, they are not happy about the fact that we may lose. we have lost the right to abortion. we have republicans who are now in republican courts that are going after ivf. you have people who weren't willing to support contraception and the united states congress, right? so all these questions about the republicans weren't interfering in our bedrooms instead of thinking about how it is we're going to help protect america around the world. i think this is the

problem for the republican party >> exact point. donald trump has changed his opinion on abortion and ivf both no one looks at donald trump and thinks that's a policy leader >> will leave it there, guys, everyone stick around for us. laura made me laugh. thank you so much. next donald trump is responding to clinching the republican nominee the nation plus rfk junior is floating. you won't believe it aaron rodgers and jesse ventura as a potential running they made as democrats fear kennedy is playing the spoiler in this election. this is a special edition of laura coates live chaos now grips much of haiti. rival gangs are now working together, launching a wide series of attacks against the government in an abandoned erin for field turn makeshift campsite. we need eight-year-old woodjina. she was playing with friends when they were caught in the crossfire of a gang shootout. do you remember where you were when the bullet hit you? when

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>> they'll play six where the that's a feral in the game >> i'm rafael romo at the georgia state capitol in atlanta. this is cnn >> all right, here we go. >> inside the general election gets away and underway in earnest. in both joe biden and donald trump clinching their party's nominations, assuring now, in 2020, rematch. kristen holmes is monitoring the former president's campaign and for us on this very important night, kristen, we heard from trump just moments ago. what he say >> well, laura, he responded with about as much enthusiasm and excitement as you would expect from someone who is already acting like the

presumptive nominee for for several weeks now and a pre-recorded video. they clearly recorded during the day today. he's actually just thanked supporters it's time to move on to the general elections really quite striking when you think about where we are right now, it is march donald trump is not an incumbent president and yet he has secured the nomination, uh, so early in the process with so many delegate votes, but yet no party, no speech, no event even just this pre-recorded video to take a listen to part of what he said it's your favorite president speaking to you on a really great day of victory, the republican >> national committee has just declared as the official nominee. and so whether the official nominee of the republican party which is a big deal >> and as i've said, they have already started working towards a general election. a big part of this is trying to build up their strategy, trying to build out their ground game in those

critical battleground states. one thing that donald trump and his team know is that it is not going to be an easy fight to november. we talk about these missing voter groups that donald trump is struggling with. when we see these primary numbers, when john breaks it down on the wall, they are going to try to offset that and they're coming up with their strategies now on how to do that. the other part of this has been there absolute takeover of the republican national committee, which we have seen in the last week. they've been firing staffers left and right replacing them with trump loyalists and they plan on continuing to do so as they heading into november and tried to build out, again this critical infrastructure so that they can get the ground they need or they believed that they need to get we control the white house in november kristen holmes. >> thank you so much. i appreciate it. >> look, you're >> november choice is donald trump versus joe biden but could there be more i mean, don't discount the impact of a potential third party candidate who's got the most famous last name in america, especially in politics. i'm talking about independent candidate, robert f kennedy junior telling cnn

tonight, he has selected a running mate and will announce his decision within two weeks. can be says he chose from a shortlist, including new york jets quarterback and fellow vaccine skeptic, aaron rodgers. the jets may have a little something to say about that because he is supposed to start for them in the fall after recovering from the achilles heel injury, also, on his short-list, the former pro wrestler and onetime minnesota governor, jessie, the body, ventura, with kennedy's campaign going ahead with the vp pick and working to get on general election ballots across multiple states. are democrats taking his candidacy seriously enough? and back with my panel, eva, let me start with you because you have been on the campaign trail with them. you've

>> in the left, a lot of his message centers on anti war. he says democrats and republicans are equally addicted to the war machine. you get a lot of people that, that really resonates with. i would also say his environmentalism background for a long time, he was this environmental advocate. and have those voters as well. so i think biden and trump both have reasons for concern because there is some interest in kennedy and of course, the family name helps as well. >> so most people think about

him obviously in terms of the anti-vaccine stands that he has aaron rodgers, or other way famously has a similar background recently on these points. >> but even as point you're thinking about who is most concerned with his so-called spoiler or third party candidate. >> when you look >> at it from michael is he likely to pull from maybe both biden and argue more for biden. and if you're the biden campaign, you gotta be worried if you're trump, you're probably pretty happy. i mean, you're looking at him, getting on the ballot in georgia, a state that the former president lost by giver take 12,000 votes. nevada, you're talking about maybe ten to 11,000 votes mean you're talking very, very slim margins. wisconsin 20,000, michigan, we know the math. there. so if you're a trump, you're looking for any disrupter to potentially pull votes away from joe biden because you're pretty confident that you're going to be able to maximize your turnout. similarly to what you did in 2020. i would also add jill stein is another individual that we should be

worried about now, no, we don't talk a lot about cornell west, but let's say he gets on the ballot and one or two of these states, then again, you have another individual likely pulling voters away from the democrat versus the republican. >> are you concerned when you think about the shortlist of people who are on the vp, by the way, i mean, just even tour. i'm from minnesota. he was not taken seriously until he was and he was the governor of minnesota, aaron rodgers, obviously a different career entirely. but i mean, i think we've learned in american politics looking down our noses ends up cutting our own noses office better face. >> yeah. you didn't mention but also the no labels effort. they could also be running. i think this can cut both ways to eva's point, but my question for all of these third party candidates, but particularly for rfk, is what are you doing? and are you actually trying to win the presidency? because in order to win, you have to get to 270. and if you're just in battleground states, let's say you want to say eight to ten battleground states. that's only about 125, 130 electoral

electoral college votes. so you're actually not trying to be the president. you are trying to be a disruptor. and i think you need to look i'm all for if you want to run for president and represent the people, but run a real race, get on the ballot in every state, set up an actual party that's not just six weeks out from the election, or a year out from the election and try and mobilize folks, really engage with folks and voters. but that's not what these third-party candidates are doing. and i think that is the the thing that really scares me as they are showing up as disruptors and in past elections, hillary clinton's specifically in 2016, that's right. they, they were detrimental to the democrats showing up as disruptors and four, in a public that is hungry for disruption and to laura's point about jesse ventura not being taken seriously. one of my favorite stats from the pew research center last fall, and it's 25% of democratic voters believe that government will always do the right thing 8% of republican voters believe they can trust government to do the right thing. there's a crisis

of faith in government right now. and for a country that has already elected a reality television host as the president, the idea of an antivaxx football star or a former governor pro-wrestler is actually quite attractive to many people who are disillusioned with how our government works. and so, yes, it cuts off these different ways. but even if these aren't serious races, these are really tapping into something that a part of the public fair. >> i just named a couple of people look at this, look at the screen, everyone and he bring that backup for everyone to see this short list does include others. obviously, tulsi gabbard is rand, paul andrew yang. you know the most about his campaign. eva, tell me about why wasting of being called a disrupter. >> well, i think he >> probably very much enjoys that because he would argue that our politics needs some disruption. i will say the lung that the vaccine issue, the voters that are showing up to his events, they don't raise that as their number one issue actually went to some of his black focused voter outreach events recently in new york and

a lot of voters showed up with concerns about immigration, about resources and i think this is a real challenge for democrats. what we see are marginalized groups as the immigration conversation becomes front and center, being pitted against one another. and democrats aren't doing enough to really talk about this issue. i think in a humane way, some of the rhetoric sometimes mirrors republicans and then you have these black voters showing up to his events, raising those concerns about immigration. so that is something i think a space to really watch. yes. i think that the dominant narrative about kennedy is that he's anti-vax, but we shouldn't get so caught up in that issue that we don't pay attention to all the other reasons why voters it's across the country might be attracted to his campaign. >> i'm curious to see what black men would do. we know that the trump campaign is going to target black man. they're hoping to maybe pull the percentage or two that may not sound substantial to most of the viewers, but mathematically that will

potentially make a difference. but if they're black male voters, you're saying, you know, we'd like some of trump's rhetoric on immigration, but we don't don't like his position on various racial issues here comes rfk, who has certainly someone who's spoken about race. he's been outspoken about his family's history with race. that is slightly more comfortable candidate. i would argue for a male of color to say, hey, i don't want biden certainly can't vote for trump because he is on the wrong side of these particular issues. here's our fk. i'll give him my vote. out with >> gold sneakers yet though. oh god >> not. >> i think that the biden campaign is going to have to run against both of these individuals if he actually gets on the ballot. i think that would be smart. i think they should talk to voters about why rfk is not a safe or good choice, not in the same way as donald trump from, but they should not take it for granted. i don't think they are, but it is an important thing because we know the margins are going to be so slim in this election. >> really great point, everyone. thank you so much for your insights and abby, the general election is now set

what are you going to be watching for going forward in the coming weeks ahead besides your bedtime? >> definitely that but i mean, look, laura, tonight the voters have spoken and they've spoken in a resounding fashion. i mean, when you look at that map and john king was showing us earlier tonight, it's pretty much all blue for joe biden and almost all red for donald trump. if there was any resistance to these two candidates, certainly was not strong enough to stop them. >> i mean, i'm going to be looking at what's happening, especially in places like georgia with that 11,800 or so votes. and of course, a place where we're waiting to see if fani willis will be disqualified or not for election subversion case and rico charges. i mean, these his legal issues may have been thrust as a potential third-party candidate. and all of this as well. i mean, you've got the couch, you got third party candidates, you've got the legal matters and you've got these two who are set. it's really going to be a fascinating rental november, i would i would advise no one to place their bets right now. there's a long way between now

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state later tonight. >> the other big story tonight, former special counsel robert hur, telling the house judiciary committee why he didn't indict president biden over his handling of classified documents and also taking fire from both sides of the aisle for the decisions that he did make >> but first the election and breaking news polls have just closed in mississippi and cnn and can now make a projection cnn projects that former president trump will win the state, putting him that much closer to 1,215 delegates. he needs to secured the nomination. we can also project the president biden will be the winner on the democratic side, neither outcome, obviously, a surprise, but significant in terms of the delegate count. so i want to go to cnn's political director david chalian, who is tracking all of this. so where do things stand right now for the former president david? >> yeah. anderson, 40 delegates >> at stake in mississippi tonight, donald trump wins all of them because the rules are that if you get over 50% of the vote in the state, it is

winner-take-all. he's going to get over 50% of the vote as the last man standing with no real still opposition in this campaign. so add those 40 delegates to where he isn't. so this is where donald trump finds himself. now, you noted 1,215 upper right-hand corner there. he needs to secure the republican nomination. he's now at 1,184 delegates. that puts him 31 delegates it's a from securing the republican party nomination. that will likely happen when washington vote, when washington state's votes come in later this evening in the 11:00 eastern hour obviously, as you noted, anderson, this is not a surprise, and this is not the balloon drop moment that'll happen in the convention in milwaukee in the south i'm or when the delegates make it official, but donald trump securing the nomination and joe biden doing the same. that's a pivot point in this campaign. what about president biden? >> yeah. you said he went over the top in the last hour, georgia, a major general election battleground, say put them there, he gets 35 more

delegates out of mississippi to his total tonight because he won that at stade is you just projected. so look at where joe biden is to date, he's now well over the 1,968 needed to win. he's at 2011 delegates uncommitted as 20 delegates. in this race right now. but joe biden has secured his renomination again, all but the official work at the convention in chicago for the democrats this summer when the delegates meet there. but this rematch is set and we are going to continue day-by-day for months now, watching these two gentlemen go through these general election battleground states making their case to voters. >> all right, david chalian was talking with you shortly for more on the white house reaction to the frozen has big night. let's go to cnn's mj lee so how does the biden campaign responding? >> yeah, anderson, we've just gotten a statement from president biden saying that he is honored to officially have clinched the democratic nomination for president. and echoing some of the language that we saw from the state of the union address last week, he said the country is currently in the middle of a comeback,

but he goes on to say, amid this progress, we face a sobering reality, freedom and democracy are at risk here at home in a way that they have not been since the civil war. donald trump is running a campaign of resentment, revenge, and retribution that threatens the very idea of america. he goes on to say voters now have a choice to make about the future of this country. are we going to stand up and defend our mocker? c, or let others tear it down. now, anderson, the biden campaign, of course, fully expected that they would cross that threshold tonight. but the fact that it was the state of georgia that put the president over the top. it's sort of the cherry on top for this campaign. remember the president defeated former president donald trump in that state in 2020. that was the first time that a democrat at a presidential candidate had won that state in some 28 years. and there's no question that this state in their minds is a battleground state going to november, it's a state that they want to win. there's a reason that the president actually went there over the week of over the weekend as one of his first stops as a part of his post-state of the union

tour and zooming out. of course, anderson this evening is of course, symbolically important. it's also just one more moment where the campaign is hoping that voters who have not been tuned in so far we'll start to tune in and actually realize that the 2024 race is in fact going to be between president biden and donald trump, mj. >> i mean, obviously some voters were tuned into the classified documents hearing in front of congress today. how concerned are the biden campaign about that controversy dogging the president through the election season >> you know, i think it's fair to say that the white house and the campaign are really in a different place than when the first the robert hur report, i should say, first came out last month. there was so much anger, so much let's frustration and nervousness about this report and all of the age and memory issues at the report went through. but i think now that the hearing is over and particularly after that state of the union address last week, that many of his supporters said was so successful, i think we are seeing some of that anxiety dissipating at least

for now. and obviously plead despite robert hur himself saying that he isn't exonerating the president. we've seen the white house literally saying case close. they think the president is innocent and they are fully ready to move on from this haley, thanks very much. kaitlan anderson. i'm here with john king where else at the magic wall as we are looking ahead to the general election, now that we're having these two presumptive nominees starting officially tonight. i mean, you can see what president biden's mindset is and where he's going, given the fact that he is literally going to wisconsin. and the next few days. >> so look where he's going, right? he's going to wisconsin. he's got michigan on the schedule. he spends a lot of time in pennsylvania. he's talking tonight about a win in georgia. why is that important? well, this is the map. last time he got 306 electoral votes, but kaitlan, if you look at where david chalian, our political team have looked at where are we right now, very early, emphasized, very, very, very early it's in march. we have so many questions. we haven't answered about third-party candidates, trump's running mate, will there be trials this year? there's so much more both conventions. we've a long way to go. but right now, look where he's going right he

battleground, we now called pennsylvania a battleground state. we lean michigan red for trump. wisconsin is a toss-up. georgia. we lean red for trump meeting this public polling showing if the election were tomorrow, trump would like when we lean it that way, the map is not as favorable right now to joe biden. in fact, our projection has trumped actually getting to 270. so if you're the president united states, what are you doing right now? playing on your strengths, you've just clinched the presumptive nominee and addressing your weaknesses by getting out into the battleground states, talking about the issues and to the people you need to talk to trump has to do the same thing even in the results georgia tonight, in some areas, nikki haley's getting a high vote in the suburbs. so that's what you do now that you've clinched what he got to fix. yeah. >> and trump's obviously keeping a close on the senate as well. but the other notable part of this is we're looking at this 2020 rematch coming in 2024. it was all about the margins and we see what a critical difference that makes. i think that raises the question shan, about these third-party candidates because, you know, joe biden, did it face any well-funded challengers like like president trump did for president trump. but what does that mean when it comes to the margins here,

let's take a look. >> let's start with the green party, which is more established. it already has ballot access in 20 states, you could get more as we move on, but it's already guaranteed in 20 states, including michigan, wisconsin, in arizona, right? battleground states. maine, always a very close competitive state. the green party candidate will be on the ballot, asks khloie clinton about jill stein, michigan 2016. that's not a pleasant conversation. right? so that's just the green party. then you switch over one. we're watching very closely is robert kennedy jr. now, we're waiting for these to be certified, right? he's on the ballot in utah. he says the super pac back to working with his campaign says they have enough signatures, no reason to doubt them. we just have to watch the state certify this in arizona, a battleground, michigan, a battleground, georgia, a battlegrounds. so again, if you have a green party candidate and robert kennedy jr. on the ballot, just like you had gary johnson and jill stein in 2016. another one more possibility we're keeping an eye on. it's been less effective so far it's cornell west who right now says he's on the ballot, south carolina, utah, oregon, and alaska. but again, how many third-party candidates, which states, how many ballots, how many states do they get ballot

access in which states, if they are your michigan's, you, wisconsin's your pennsylvania, you're georgia or nevada, your arizona. then they could make the difference. >> so who's the most worried about that though, because there's arguments by people in both sides, neither of them want them in the race. trump has gone after rfk junior, but so has the white house. so who is it worse for? i guess. so let me come back to the >> national map and just say that who knows that i think is a great question in the sense that you have an incumbent president. so the green party just go back to 2016 and you, come to the presidential election and you just come in here to michigan trump wins by 10,000 votes. you can say gary johnson, most pure libertarians, lean republican rights, less government get power out of washington. so maybe that's a republican vote. gary johnson had run before. it's an interesting, but just look at that number 51,000 votes, right? 51,000 votes 10,000 is the margin in the state, donald trump wins by 10,000 in the state. so if you look at the math right now, you're the kennedy name, you say, oh, democrats, however, in my travels, you mean a lot of people who voted for trump in 2016 and some again in 2020, who are attracted to robert kennedy. listen to joe rogan

for example, things like that. he's looking at jesse ventura and aaron rodgers as potential running mates according to the new york times tonight, what does that tell you? those aren't democrats. those aren't democrat. so that's potentially, that's why you have to go state-by-state. what state ballots are they on? how competitive for those states? and then shoe leather reporting, polling other data to find out who they're drawing from. >> yeah, we'll still the jets feel about that john king anderson back to you, kaitlan. >> thanks god. cnn political commentators, all stripes here with me, van jones, karen finney, alyssa farah griffin, and david urban. van. and what's your reaction to president biden clinching the nomination? >> well, here we go. here we go. i mean, it's going to be a long one by the longest general elections in history. usually, you have a little bit longer to get ready. i think a lot of democrats were nervous, were concerned word despondent were fearful. and then we saw red bull biden last week as like, oh, this guy can actually get out there and do some things. and so i think people now want to get out and find a way forward. but i do think that

you got a lot of double-haters is going to be a contest. where are the double-haters go? people who don't like biden, people who don't like trump, are they going to go third party? can we get them back on our side? there's gonna be a lot of tug of war over a very small number of votes and five or six states but i think this week, biden clenching build a lot better than when it thought a couple of weeks ago, just in terms of the length is karen i mean, it in the ugliness with which it i mean, with so much time just getting like punch after punch after punch, you know, i will never forget when trump got in in 2016 saying that campaign headquarters and thinking gang, is this the floor or the ceiling when he was talking about next guns being rapists and murderers. and as we've seen right, those penthouse phil, i mean, so yeah, look, i think both well, i can't speak for donald trump, but i certainly think the biden campaign is mindful of that. and i think as you saw on the state of the union speech very mindful that in addition to the attacks on trump, they have got to continue to put forward a

positive message and it's interesting the statement that president biden put out tonight, that's one of the clips that's a little bit of a summary from his state of the union message. it's one of the clips that some of the outside groups have been testing that did very well. >> it looks actually, he put out a statement on x, formerly twitter. let's take a look. >> we will record numbers we can do >> you're you ready? you're ready to protect our freedom are you ready to win? so >> that's what in the statement your dominant yeah, when he talks about the future and defending democracy, i mean, again, i think that's the other dynamic we're going to see in this campaign. joe biden's going to try to take on trump, but also talk about the future and try to win over those voters that van was just

talking about who were in the middle, who are tired heard of re-litigating 2020, and who actually want to know, what are you going to do? so that's going to be part of that effort. couple of other things. social security, medicare not surprised that did very well in the testing when he talked about this sort of economic populism that did very well. so those are just going to be some of the themes that you will hear because they're resonating with voters all stripes. >> it's shingle as to how democrats seem a lot more optimistic since the state of the union address. and that's just been what, one week or so. we have so many weeks to go. like the emotional roller coaster, going to be fine, already exhausted by the idea. no way like >> pouring went out for the six in ten americans myself included who didn't want this region match here we are. it is going to be very long, eight months ahead. >> and yes, >> biden got momentum out of the state of the union. i think he outperformed a lot of folks expectation, but maintaining that for the next eight months on the campaign trail, traveling across the country that's exhausting. i've been there for it. he's going to have to do that to prove he's ready. now donald trump is in an advantageous just possession

right now to chalian's point, he would win if the election were today but some huge vulnerabilities, the rnc has an absolute disaster. he's behind in the money race. joe biden is massively outraising him. and on top of that, you've got this nikki haley factor. these voters who just are not sure they're ever going to be able to be with him. biden's got plenty of vulnerabilities, but trump does this as well, isn't sold his daughter-in-law, though at the rnc's. so that should clear thing with who has a huge experienced medical fundraising campaign >> building but campaigners, more trump's defense, she's done she's done it actually a good job at its role. she's been doing it for four years. the co-chair of the rnc is largely a fundraiser figurehead position and i think talking to you do a good job. i listen, i think you guys keep whistling past the graveyard over there. that's exactly where the republican party wants you write, you refer to red bull joe, you better have like a tanker truck, full red bone, driver behind them because one-and-a-half hours of reading off a teleprompter does not a campaign make. we've all been

there. it's hard on an app average human being, let alone an 80 year-old human being van talks a little bit about the double-haters. where do they go that third party, that ad that us ron, that karen said it was tested well, right. you heard in there. we will there's a lot of optimism. we will vote in record numbers. if record numbers don't show up to vote. joe biden loses, right? >> we're >> going to fight for democracy and freedom. it's hard keep percent of americans, only 18% said that they benefited from biden policy. so when you're sitting at home, you can't pay for groceries. democracy is not high on your list. let me show you the >> numbers from georgia tonight for president trump, because there's a lot of i mean, 15% nikki haley got 15% in georgia. what is the former president need to do too? >> so you think a lot of them will just automatically go to the well, listen so some of those folks will come home, right? they will come home at the end of the day. some of them was some of them may have never voted for. they may be people that never voted for trump to begin with. they may have been people, by the way, party who just have never voted for, right? >> so open mind that donald trump's gonna be running a lot of this campaign from the courtroom. he's got the hush money trial coming up in new york. he will likely at least

be again, the trial for january 6. he is going to be strapped, frankly, just for time and ability to be the places that he needs to be. i think he would be wise to have surrogates to go around, but he has not shown an ability to pivot to a general election message. he was on cnbc saying, we're going to cut your social security and medicaid. he has been criticizing and attacking nikki haley when he needs her very voters to get across finish line. i'm not sure he's ready for it, but well, we'll see i mean, that's why we have elections, right? so it's better than four of us sit around. look, i think donald trump, i spent a little time with the former president last week incredibly vigorous, right? i did not. ms it a beat. were >> his shoulders broad? it was it his shoulders he is ready for this fight. i will tell you i've been, you know, we did 30, 40 rallies in 2016, lots of places trouble do that again. in 24 and soda and a lot of red bull of much more ahead tonight, including former special counsel robert hur's capitol hill testimony today, the heat he took on his decision not to indict president biden is characterization of the president is mental sharpness and other choices does he made he talked to congressman jamie

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president biden for retaining classified documents after his time as vice president. he came under fire from republicans for that and from democrats for the way he explained his decision, especially his characterization of president biden as a quote well-meaning elderly man with a poor memory the former special counsel told the committee that quote, partisan politics had no place whatsoever in my work. he was certainly surrounded by it today with members of both sides using their questions at times to score certain points. committee chairman jim jordan used his time, for example, that suggests the president was in it for the money hey, it's 231. you said this president biden had strong motivations. that's a key word. we're getting a motive now, president biden had strong motivations to ignore the proper procedures for safeguarding the classified information in his notebooks why did he have strong motivations? be you next word, because he decided months before leaving office to write a book to write a book that was his motive. he knew the rules,

he broke him cause he was writing a book. and you further say andy began meeting with the ghostwriter while he was still vice president there's the motive mr. hur, how much did president biden get paid for his book >> off the top of my head. i'm not sure if that information appears in the report. >> sir, does there's $1 amount in there? you remember? >> i don't it may be 8 million if that's elian dollars. joe biden had 8 million reasons to break the rules committee democrats? meantime, use their time to throw the spotlight and don't trump who by contrast to president biden has been indicted multiple times in multiple venues and 91 felony counts did you find that president biden directed his lawyer to lie to the fbi >> we identified no such evidence >> did you find that president biden during his lawyer to destroy classified documents? >> no. >> did you find that president biden directed his personal assistant to move boxes of documents to hide them from the

fbi, know that you find the president biden directed his personal assistant to delete security camera footage after the fbi asked for that footage, know did you find that president biden showed a classified map related to an ongoing military operation to a campaign aide who did not have clearance? >> no. >> did you find that president biden engaged in a conspiracy to obstruct justice no. did you find that president biden engaged in a scheme to conceal know several >> democrats also ran clips. the former president acting in so many words like an elderly man with a poor memory, some saw there questioning, backfire. democratic congresswoman pramila jayapal for one who told her, quote, you exonerated him, meaning president biden, to which he replied, i did not that word does not appear in the report. republicans scott fitzgerald asked her if his report found at president biden was senile or her said no, joining us now, democratic congressman jamie raskin, ranking member of the house oversight committee, who was given special privileges to take part in today's hearing. cars, women, what did you think of robert hur and how he acquitted himself today?

>> well, i'd like to fact that he stuck by the conclusions of his report, which we're that president biden should not be charged criminally for anything and he stuck by the statement that president biden had cooperated fully and on so in the investigation. and then he's stuck by his own elaborate contrast between biden and trump, because trump tried to hide evidence. he tried to destroy evidence. he lied about the evidence and he kept these dock at these classified documents for months before he turned some of them. but not all of them over. and so he really pointed out this was apples and oranges. >> i want to play some of what you had to say this morning in the hearing president biden did not assert executive privilege, or claim absolute immunity from presidential crimes. he did not hide boxes of documents under

his bed or in a bathtub. he did not fight investigators, nor did he seek to redact a single word of mr. hur's report. he can tempted to the search of numerous locations, including his homes. and he did everything he could to cooperate, not obstruct, unlike president biden, trump did not alert the national archives or doj of the documents, nor did he turn over all the classified materials in his possession he did not agree to sit down for a voluntary interview with the special counsel. he never consented to a search of his home on the contrary to trump's suggested that his attorney hide or destroy evidence requested by the fbi and you're making the argument for his body was far more cooperative than former president trump was regarding the classified documents at mar-a-lago, one of the things that congressman schiff was >> trying to say to robert hur and get him to admit was essentially that that hers language was overly broad in his descriptions of the

president's cognitive state. do you think rubber her went too far in the language that he used >> he wondered pretty far afield from what is real charge is and was really the whole thing could have ended after the very first sentence when he concluded that there were no grounds and no warrant for criminal charges. so i can understand some of my colleagues frustration with him having added those words, which he must have known would have been politically explosive, but i got to say that those words did not have at the same kind of charge at all today in the wake of president biden's triumphant state of the union address, where he was on performance for several hours. he gave a brilliant speech. it was a political game changer. and then he engaged in a lot of amusing and effective the parte

with all of the rhetorical ninja fighters and he colors of the freedom caucus. and he showed exactly how with it he is in. so i think that really took the edge off of those comments about how he was an older man with a weak memory and all that. >> it didn't seem that hur was saying today that perhaps a little shade different than new york portraying it, that some jurors might have actually voted to convict president biden, and that essentially it was he didn't think he could convince a jury that the president had committed these crimes say he it sounded like the argument he was making wasn't necessarily that there wasn't perhaps a reason that somebody might have brought charges, just he didn't think it was possible to convince a jury i mean, all of that hypothetical speculation and second guessing of his own decision really does seem to

veer >> outside of the proper boundaries of prosecutorial conduct and it does seem as if he was bending over backwards to send a political message to his allies. isn't the republican party that although there weren't grounds to go forward for criminal prosecution, he was going to throw them a boehner two. i can understand congressman shifts frustration about that. i shared that somewhat, but again, i think that president biden just wiped all of that stuff out. he is framed what? this election and what this administration is about. it's about defending democracy and freedom. and as i said today, it is a memory tests, but it's not a memory test for president biden. it's a memory test for america. do we remember fascism? do we remember naziism and communism and totalitarianism? do we know what we're up against in terms of the authoritarian forces? that have rallied around donald trump, including victor orban, who had a slumber party at mar-a-lago over the weekend and came out pronouncing how

pleased he was that donald trump had said he would not give one penny to the people of ukraine resisting were bands friend vladimir putin's filthy imperialist it's bloody invasion and war against the people of ukraine. that's what the election is about. that's the real memory test. >> congressman raskin, thank you for your time >> you bet. >> anderson here would they are legal and political team carrie cordero, andrew mackay, paula reid, tia mitchell, kate bedingfield, and doug heye and carrie. what do you make? with how what you heard from the congressman there and also what we heard from robert hur today about how the transcript actually lined up with how he described president biden's mental acuity in his report? >> well, i think the mental acuity piece plays a lot into the political reaction to special counsel hur's report, because that's it's the piece that his president biden's defenders and his political allies want to push up against, and that's what his political adversaries want to emphasize.

but i think what special counsel hur did today is he really effectively defended the findings of his report, which we're that there was not a basis to establish beyond a reasonable doubt that president biden had committed any kind of a crime and so his report is over 340 pages long it details, i think in some ways goes into too much detail things that are extraneous to what his actual finding was. but he did, i think in a professional way by and in a way that well represented the work that he tried to do and that his team tried to do the fact that they conduct a thorough investigation and there just was nothing to prosecute there. >> i mean, paula reid, robert hur had no friends in that hearing room today, whether it was republicans or democrats, and at one point when pramila jayapal, the congresswoman, tried to say that his report exonerated biden choose kinda moving along. robert hur jumped in to say, i did not exonerate the president here. it's interesting. you just touched on two of the goals he had

walking into that room. the first was i'm not trying to make anybody happy. and the second was was emphasized the fact that he didn't think that biden was completely innocent. it was that he did not believe that he could charge this case prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. so i think the problem going forward though, is he also made it clear that that determination was based not just on the transcript that we finally got today, but also in the audio recording of that interview and coming out of the hearing, they clearly didn't get what they wanted out of rob hur republicans made it clear that they're going to try to get that the audio. now, her deferred the justice department and the white house, either one of which i think are going to release it. but i think the white house is going to be asked about this probably every day until the election. >> andrew mccabe, you've worked there. do you think that they'll they'll release this? >> i think they'll do everything humanly possible to avoid it, we'll see how big, how much the pressure is brought to bear on them to get that stuff? i don't think there's probably, you know, they've gotten the most important testimony in the transcript they received today. so what they hear from other

witnesses is the idea that congress is now going to parse through the results of 174 interviews of witnesses in varying capacities from senior white house staffers to staffers of catering companies who hosted events or who worked events in the delaware beach house. >> what >> sort of mischief they'll make with a pile of evidence that they clearly don't even understand is really beyond me. >> are republicans because they didn't get what they necessarily wanted today, kind of shifting the goalposts by now, demanding the audio of these interviews that robert hur did welcome to congress. goalposts or never, it's never happened. they always move. this was all very interesting theater here in washington if you go to a committee room, they're sort of two background rooms, sort of like locker rooms. a democrat, democrats have one, republicans have one. they're called, they're cloakrooms to where they coordinate. i'm going to ask this, what are you going to ask? and they hope that they

know what the answer is before they asked the question, this was unique in that both sides were trying to get at the same person as opposed to one side go after in one inside, lift up that person. but let's also remember, we're in washington, dc and as we look at the states that were voting today, whether it's mississippi, georgia, wherever else. the people in those states aren't looking at this. they're not focused on it. they don't know who robert hur is into congressman raskin point. they probably don't think a whole lot about viktor orban as well and what his positions are on on anything. they're looking at gas prices, they're looking at at their utility prices, food prices, all that are going up they're living their daily lives. they're not focused on the drama in washington. >> kate bedingfield, i mean, you know, president biden, as well as anyone at this table. what do you make of how he responded when this report first came out and what you actually read the transcript today? well, the transcript today was vintage that's joe biden. i mean, that is joe biden's conversational the cars the car sounds the stories, the details mean to me, it's sort of amusing actually that the republican line of attack on this was that he couldn't remember details

because that transcript was saturated with details. so i think republicans really wanted a slam dunk here. they felt, i think when the special counsel's report first came out that they had a real opening here. i think the combination of obviously as congressman raskin mentioned, the combination of the state of the union and the strong performance that the president gave at the state of the union, which is to doug's point what more americans will see than any wrangling and in a committee room on the hill that combined with i think the totality of the transcript, the president making salient points, returning to the point he made in many cases, questioning robert hur on pushing back on questions he was asking. i think you have a full picture of a very three engaged president. and so i don't think that republicans got the home run that they were looking for here. >> how did you see it as you've covered both of these politicians these groups, so well, yeah, i think that we knew that her both republicans and democrats wanted to accomplish something by their

questioning of special counsel. i think that representative loose line of questioning, particularly where he was asking the statements that trump has been accused of. and he said, did you find that her did you found that biden did these things in her repeatedly said no, he didn't do these things and that created that contrast between why former president trump is facing charges and why president biden is not in to me, that was the most compelling and that will be the sound bites that are most easily digestible to regular people who are seeing the recaps on news. yeah. and we also saw that contrast last night when we were speaking with trump employee five in the classified documents it's indictment. who is a former mar-a-lago employee who is talking about those efforts to keep those documents out of the hands of federal investigators. this is what brian butler told me did the two of you ever talk about moving boxes are looking back on that? >> yeah. i mean, there was one

time >> towards one of the last times i was with them and we're talking about boxes and while biden did the same thing, you can't get, it always got brought up about biden and other people that did this same thing. and then there was one time he said you know, we're all dirty, we all moved boxes >> and i mean, it was one thing we did not hear from robert hur today. they're already the witnesses in his report. >> know. and i think that's a remarkable point. right? we've spent so much time today rehashing the language that he used in the report and people opining as to whether he should have made references to the memory in the way that he did those sorts of things. what really stood out to me is this several hundred page report 174 witnesses other than the president himself and his ghostwriter. there's not any testimony in this entire report provided by a single witness who could add evidence that the president did any of this in a willful way that would have put him in the crosshairs of a criminal investigation. 7 million documents they looked

at emails, they looked at text messages, and they haven't pointed to a single one that would indicate a level of intentionality on the president that would that would have turned this report in a very different directions. so there is clearly a paucity of evidence despite a massive amount of work that went into this over 15 months? >> yeah, certainly a contrast still to come here tonight, will fani willis, the district attorney in georgia, be disqualified from that rico case that she wrote what against the former president in 18 of his co-defendants. >> you may >> know the answer quite soon. new information on the timing of that judge's decision. plus president biden's biographer is going to join us to talk about whether the president that we see in this special counsel's transcript is the same person that he is interviewed countless times including just two months ago sunday on the whole story, two men missing our lives, just stopped, both tied to one deputy. >> he was the >> last person to see them alive and a decades-long search

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win georgia's republican primary and clinch his party's nomination soon we'll keep an eye on that. but meantime, in georgia, there is a major decision that is looming in the trump election interference case. there a judge says that he is on track to rule this week on whether or not to disqualify the fulton county district attorney, fani willis, over allegations of misconduct involving a romantic relationship with the lead prosecutor that she hired in that case? it is an extremely consequential decision for donald trump's fate in the state of georgia. cnn's nick valencia is in atlanta and has been covering this entire saga and nick, what are we hearing now from from judge mcafee about when this decision could be coming well, kaitlan, first of all, it came as a shock to many of us falling this case closely that mcafee would grant an interview, but he did recently to >> wsp radio in atlanta to talk about his reelection conveyed and the challenger he faces for that november election. and it was during this eight minute interview that he spoke about his pending decision on whether or not to remove fani willis

from prosecuting donald trump and his remains? and in co-defendants. and he said that he is on track to have a decision by the end of this week >> i gave myself a deadline because i knew everyone wanted an answer. and i'll tell you an order like this takes time to write there's a lot that means i have to go through. and so i've had again, i'll emphasize this. i've had a rough draft and an outline before i ever heard a rumor that someone wanted to run for this position. so the result is not going to change because of politics. i'm calling it as best i can in the law as is, as i understand it to say that there's a lot of anticipation for his decision would be a huge, huge understatement. katelyn. >> yeah, it as so many implications for this. i mean, for him himself, one thing we've talked about as he used to work with district attorney fani willis, there's a lot of overlap here between did he talk it all in this interview, this rare for interview about how this entire decision is

impacting him personally >> he did and he talks about his children. he's got two young children, 3.5 years old, and they don't see him as this judge presiding over this the historic case are rightfully so they just see him as dad, but he did say that he looks forward to the day when they grew up and he said that he's looking forward to being able to look them in the rye and said that he did the best they could and he played it straight. this is a monumental decision for judge mcafee. if he does decide to remove fani willis and new prosecution team would take over and that would likely mean there would be no trial before the november election. katelyn. >> yeah. nick valencia, if he wants to do any other interviews, be sure to let us know >> got it. >> anderson thanks we want to talk more about our breaking news this evening. the importance of clinching the nomination for president biden, plus whether the president we see in that special counsel transcript is the same person that those who know him well have seen up close. i'm joined now by someone who's interviewed present biden many times over the decades as well as rina remarkable biography by

the president evan osnos his latest book is on the deep division in the us is titled wildland the making of america's fury ebitda was really interesting to see the transcript of his interviews with the special counsel that were released earlier today versus what was in the initial report by the special counsel. i'm wondering what the difference you saw in the way it was described by her and the actual transcript itself. and was the transcript of his interviews with the special counsel like the man you've interviewed >> yeah. it was quite remarkable honestly to read the transcript and to see a wait a second. this is exactly the person who i saw in the oval office a few weeks ago when i interviewed a meeting, he barring with his interviewers, he's telling stories, some of which i've heard from him going years back, others of which are about details of foreign policy, things that he's involved in at the moment, look, it's really remarkable to compare it to where we were five weeks ago. that was a time when americans were genuinely wondering, is this guy no longer able to

remember the date? one of the most significant moments of his life, the death of his son and what we see in the transcript is this essential nuance. the context for all of those interactions that really makes it much more frankly, sort of normal and much more lucid. i think it's interesting on that question on the date, because in the transcript, which wasn't in the special counsel's report >> he remembered the day and the month he was just sort of speaking out loud, say what year was that? and i was i mean, in a much more conversational way as opposed to sort of real please stumbling over what year it was. >> yeah. it's a crucial distinction at something that i think it was not really visible at all in the special report, what you see in the transcript and your term is right. he was essentially sort of thinking out loud. he's saying, all right, you're asking me about my data handling practices at a certain point in the vote in the post. vice presidency. so when did i stopping? vice president? all right. well then here's how i handled documents back then. here are the people who were moving boxes for me.

one of the things that comes through here is this is not a guy who was rooting through boxes a whole lot in his years after being vice president, he was working on these other things like his book cancer research, and things like that. >> i want to put the moment from the hearing today when congresswoman metal on dean pushed back on that your report on page two, says that mr. biden couldn't come up with the date, the year of his son, beau biden's death when in fact, in the transcript, it shows that you asked him the month and do you know what he said mr. hur he said, oh god, may 30. would you like to correct the record? his memory was pretty firm on the month ended day, congresswoman, i don't believe that's correct. with respect to the transcript, but if you could refer me to a specific page, i'd be happy to look from the transcription page 82 the boards are president biden's. what month did beau die? oh god. >> may 30. a searing memory >> so i mean, just to circle

back on this base on the transcript, evan, did it seem to you that the president was confused? >> no. he knows exactly the date that this happened. what was confusing about it was this question of when, what timeframe were they talking about that i think is it gets to the heart of this because what americans, if you step back for a second, anderson, what americans really want to understand is, does this man have an understanding of the life he's lived, of the meaningful moments in, or is he losing grip on the chronology? what any hey, buddy sees if they look at that transcript is what people see when they're around them, which is he knows these events, this is this was a five-hour interview where they're running around on the calendar between 2,009.20, 24. frankly, i think a lot of people would be tested to stay firm on dates in that kind of window of announcements. thanks for >> much perspective now from our panel plus two former federal prosecutor, jessica roth and elie honig, just got me now, you've heard the special counsel's testimony. you've seen the transcripts. do you agree with his decision >> oh, yes. and i thought that the most the most important takeaways from the testimony today, consistent with this report was that he found that

charges weren't warranted in this case based on the evidence that he uncovered. he also made clear that president biden was fully cooperative with his investigation and didn't obstruct it in any way, which really stands in contrast to how former president trump handled it. and finally, made clear today that there was absolutely no interference in mr. hur's ability to conduct his investigation from the attorney general or the department of him saying that they weren't the charges were warranted or that he couldn't prove charges. >> well, if chart if you can't prove the charges, then the charges aren't warranted. i mean, they're essentially one and the same. and there were a number of elements of the offense that he didn't have sufficient evidence for him in today, anyone watching got a real lesson criminal law in one offense in particular, which is the willful retention of national defense information, which require showing that a person possessed what counts as national defense information, and that they possess it knowingly and they failed to return it. and that they did so willfully, which in this context means that they did so knowing they were doing it contrary to law. and with

respect to each element, there were problems as to the different tranches of documents that mr. her looks debt, but particularly on the willfulness prong and he kept coming back to this. he said there just wasn't sufficient evidence for to convict beyond a reasonable doubt for a jury to fund it, and a reasonable doubt that mr. that president biden knew he was acting contrary to law, and there was lots of things in the report that supported that determination that there was insufficient but evidence on the willfulness >> i want to play this contentious exchange are part of it between congressman schiff and mr. hur minus suit of your report with his comments about his specific recollection as to documents or a set of documents. but you chose a general pejorative referenced the president. you understood when you made that decision, didn't you, mr. hur, that you would ignite a political firestorm with that language, didn't you? >> congressman? politics played no part whatsoever in my investigative steps. you understood nevertheless

weren't sure mr. hur you cannot tell me you're so naive as to think. your words wouldn't have created a political firestorm. >> la i'm wonder, what do you think about that? because schiff is saying is you could have been very specific and saying he did not remember remember the year, you remember the day in the month but not in the year instead, he made a broader statement is according to schiff, i agree with adam schiff that the language used by robert hur was over the top and arguably unnecessary. i disagree with ad who shifts indignation over this because when you really boil it down, joe biden since got lucky here by all the focus on robert hur's assessment of joe biden's mental state, his age, really at bottom, it's what one person believes about joe biden. but what's been missed in all this, what adam schiff was not indignant about was that joe biden misled the american people. i mean, let's not lose the headline here. joe biden some of those documents he genuinely there's no proof. he knew he had, but he absolutely knew he had at least some of those documents, the documents related to

afghanistan. he's on tape in 2017. he knew he had them. he did not turn them over. he disclosed at least their contents, if not the actual paper documents, to his biographer, because he had a specific agenda. he wanted to be the hero in the historical retelling of the afghanistan story. and obama to be the haeil in that story. and that has been missed because there's so much focus on the assessment of his memory in his age. that's really damaging. i agree with jessica when it comes to whether this case should have been charged or not, i think it's important to understand you're a prosecutor. there's some cases that have to be charged. i think donald trump's mar-a-lago case had to be charged. then there's some cases that you can't charge. there's a missing element. you just don't have the proof, but then there's a broad discretionary zone and i think this one fell and that discretionary zone. and so to robert hur because he said, i do believe a reasonable juror could have convicted it doesn't mean. you have to charge but it means it could have an a different prosecutor could have come to a different result. so biden got lucky in that sense here.

>> do you think van dam doing this lab memory effect on the oxygen? >> it >> may or may not, but you have lots of going back through this stuff. i mean, eric swalwell did a good job of pointing out there's some stuff in the transcript that would have actually been good for biden politically, but it might been bad for him legally. so for instance, swallow says equals her saying, you have photographic memory and recall well, that's great for biden politically but if you've got photographic memory, recall is bathroom legally goes down. you're getting get charged. and so if you look at that, this is a human process. a lot of stuff in here. i'm i think the democrats do a better job of pulling out some of the stuff in the transcript, not the report. the report makes biden look like your daughter during elderly idiot, but there's stuff in the transcript. biden, look great, and that could have a positive >> i don't think anybody is going to care come this fall. this was not having been there a jim comey moment number one, or jim comey moment number to trust me, it also having been

through this was not a benghazi hearing moment where or hillary sat there for 11 hours. it was powerful. she was fantastic >> nobody >> cared when they went to vote in november. i genuinely believe most of these things, what we know in politics is the question is do these things go to what you underlying already believe about a candidate if you already think that someone is prone to keeping secrets, yeah. you would think that hillary clinton and her emails that there was something shady there, i think with donald trump, he's trying to, and the republicans muddy the waters generally, people think joe biden's a decent guy. they may not like his policies. they don't think he's corrupt, they don't think he's a bad guy. he wants to expel palestinians from this country or migrants. at the same time, the problem that donald trump has is that this is not the that's not the only case. we're going to hear as we just heard last night, we learn new evidence about the way he

treated documents we're going to hear over the course of this coming months, more information about the way that is going to deepen what people already believe about him. that's what democrats are going to focus on exploiting. >> but can i just say, i think this was partisan hackery on both sides of the aisle at its absolute worst, the only person who i think covered himself in some glory was robert hur. i'm sorry. i'm a crowds have been saying we need to stand up for our institutions. we need to stand up for our institutions. you cannot just trust the department of justice when it indict donald trump, you have to have a level of you're going to let the process play out. i do not live this white house trying to demean her putting out testimony against him, trying to criticize minute. they should just set step back and let the process play out. let the congressional investigators ask the questions, but it undermines this sort of argument, especially at a time when republicans have gone far too far and trying to undermine the department of justice, house republicans want to cut some of the funding to it, which frankly amounts to be funding the police, which is absurd. but i don't think i think democrats are playing a dangerous game to basically do the same thing, republicans,

it's a political russia test would happen today, right? you're going to see in hur's testimony what you want to see. i think elie points out a great point that's being made by republicans that they should have made more. fortunately, today, there, they're going down these rabbit holes and how much money he made and all i think what elie i mean thank you, elie, you know, the house democrats actually practiced on like what they should take it because that point gets overlooked and it shouldn't be, but it's it's white noise to most americans. they're just here that's all they hear, right? and what it does is when they think about documents and trump documents, biden documents, pence documents, they all did it there was a mistake in your care to your point about shiny, nice joe biden alleys narrative undercuts that, right? because it now paints him as somebody who knew he had classified documents on the right. i'm just and that's what it does. it sell his reputation. >> i don't think in a way that is going to have a meaningful impact. act. and the election, particularly when you have decent percentages of republican primary voters who

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