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charges. after the judge dismissed some of the counts against him. so what does it mean for the prosecution as district attorney, fani willis waits to learn if she's thrown off the case. also, this hour, president biden takes his battleground state toured a crucial wisconsin just hours after he and donald trump both clinch their party's nomination. >> i'll discuss the >> state of the race with an influential, an independent-min ded democrat, us senator joe manchin, and a bill that could ban the very popular social media app tiktok in the united states is heading to the us senate after overwhelmingly passing in the house we're tracking the legislation and the impact on 100 million tiktok users in this country
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welcome to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer, a urine the situation room first tonight, new questions surrounding the trump election subversion case in georgia. after the presiding judge threw out a total of six counts, including three. that's cited the former president's specifically let's go right to cnn's nick valencia is outside the courthouse in atlanta for us. what is this boot? move by the judge been >> wolf, make no mistake about it. this is a critique of the fulton county da's office and their inability to include the necessary detail to get these charges to stick. the judge is saying that they fail to include the underlying detail as to what crimes these defendants were allegedly soliciting the charges have to do with the fake elector scheme that's trump and his allies scheme to try to subvert the electoral college and
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unlawfully appoint a slate of presidential electors. it also has to do with that infamous phone call january 2, 2021, when the former president and his former chief of staff called the secretary of state here in georgia and asked him to find more votes. but judge scott mcafee is saying in this decision that the fulton county da's office didn't include the details for these charges to stand, and this is what he's saying in part of his decision, quote, these six counts contain all the essential elements of the crimes, but fail to allege sufficient detail regarding the underlying felony solicited. they do not give the defendants enough information to prepare the defenses intelligently. it goes on to say, this does not mean the entire indictment is dismissed. let's pick it up there. this does not mean the entire indictment is dismissed. in fact, the door and the window is open for the da's office to appeal these charges, they can fill in these details and try to get another indictment against trump and his remaining allies. >> wolf. we're obviously also waiting to hear if this judge will disqualify da fani willis
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>> will he or won't he a monumental decision that we're waiting for scott mcafee has to make that decision. his self-imposed deadline by the end of this week, he recently gave an interview to w just be radio here in atlanta, conservative talk radio show about his challenger that he faces in his reelection bid. and it was during that eight minute interview, he talked about him being on track to make that decision by the end of the week, really wolf, there's a lot of anticipation that would be a huge understatement. in fact, this decision could come at any moment. >> now, what would have huge ramifications? patients if he were to disqualify her. thanks very much. nick valencia reporting, joining us now, georgia legal experts or former us attorney, michael moore and criminal defense attorney amy lee copeland, also with a cnn's alayna treene, who covers the presidential race for some michael, let me start with you. one of the dismiss counts centered on trump's call to the georgia secretary of state of the time that started this entire investigation. let's listen to some of that.
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listen to this >> so i want to do is this. i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state so michael, what do you make of the judge dismissing that specific count and the five other counts >> well, i'm glad to be with all levied. look, this this is really a standard defense motion. this is called a demurrer. and what it means is that the defense just attack the legal sufficiency of the indictment. the case is not over. the indictment is not fully dismiss, but it does point out some errors in the indictment, specifically what the judge said is, look, you didn't explain how the solicitation what exactly you were soliciting into do and why that would be illegal as it applied to their oath as to raffensperger's call or the call to raffensperger? it was the same legal theory and that is that there just wasn't
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enough information to talk about the underlying solicitation and what exactly they were trying to do at why that would be illegal. it does not mean that the other counts related to that in the rico overt acts and such are dismissed, but i do think that the judges sort of say, look, you may be either claim this up, you can let it stand if you want to, just go to trial without these counts or you could clean it up and seek a new indictment or and come back and add the language that's allowed or you can appeal it. >> and that >> footnote about the appeals sort of speaks to me and indicates that i think the judge knows this is not a case. it's likely to see he a courtroom this year. and he's basically saying i probably wouldn't object if you all wanna go ahead and appeal it and that certainly would be a delay and he's indicated a willingness to at least allow that delay to move forward if that's the way the state wants to. >> important point, emily, what do you think? what does this mean for the prosecuting team? this georgia election subversion case? what does it mean for the case going forward
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from your perspective >> sure. wolf. good evening. listen, the inside and contain 41 counts. the judge is now dismissed. six of them, the rico count stands. the order is very clear about that. and just to elaborate a little they don't what's been said all six counts concerned the violation of oath of office, the criminal defendants solicitation of that violation. >> the >> problem the judge found was that the oath of office really requires georgia senators, georgia representatives, and the secretary of state to promise to defend the united states and georgia constitution's. >> he said that even the language of how it's been indicted, they can't. the defendants can't pick out which of the hundred clauses, hundreds of clauses in these two constitutions that have been violated. >> so really the case will move forward. there is an out for the da of they want to appeal. there's an ability to re-indict it may slow it down a little bit, but it does not dismiss the case and the da, of course, could elect to proceed without
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sixth trial and they're very serious racketeering charge remains in place. alayna, most of trump's charges are still intact. so does the trump team see this as a qualified victory? >> well well, if i'd argue they view it more as a small victory and i talked to one trump adviser about this earlier today and they said, look, we see this as a step in the right direction, but they also acknowledged that this doesn't really go far in their ultimate goal, which is to have this case dismissed outright. and i do just want to read for you what steve sadow sayed out. one of donald trump's lead defense attorneys in this case said about this decision, he said, quote, the ruling is a correct application of the law as the prosecution failed to make specific allegations of any alleged wrongdoing on those counts. the entire prosecution of president trump is political constitutes election into theorems and should be dismissed. now, wolf, this is the type of rhetoric we have heard repeatedly from donald trump's team, both his political campaign end his
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legal team that these charges are political. it's interfering in the election, and they also would to michael's point, they really want to see this trial either dismissed or delayed beyond the election. that's really what they're hoping for. so this didn't really go far in the way of those goals. >> michel does this dramatic development today tell you anything about how the judge will decide on fani willis's potential disqualification >> it really doesn't. i mean, other than the fact that there's some indication there could be a delay it just doesn't give much in the way of tea leaves for us to read to see what he's going to do. i'm interested to hear that he's old schedule that he's trying to make sure that his order comes out by the end of this this week. and i think that's good both for the defense to know and for the state to know what will have moving forward, but it doesn't it doesn't tell us much one thing. it tells us though, is the judge's careful. it's a well-reasoned order that he wrote here. he's looking at the specific counties, looking at the constitutional requirements of notice to
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defend that. and he's balancing those interests. so i expect we'll see a pretty detailed or they come out, comes out about the district attorney's qualifications. >> i suspect you're right. amy. let me get your thoughts. do you expect judge mcafee to keep fani willis on this case how do you see this part of the story playing out? >> yeah >> well, that's an interesting question. so there are two different standards that judge mcafee is considering in that does she have an actual conflict or is there an appearance of impropriety from looking at the law, actual conflict is really the standard to use. >> and that's >> good for the da because it's a harder and higher standard to meet what she acting solely for our interests instead of her duty as a prosecutor my thought is that judge mcafee will discuss very carefully, as michael noted, the two different competing lines of case law about appearance of impropriety and actual conflict. and we'll find there is no actual conflict. >> we will find out presumably in the coming days phase to all of you. thank you very, very
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selling his agenda going forward, of course, wisconsin is a critical state in that blue wall that you mentioned wisconsin, michigan, and pennsylvania by the end of this week, the president will visit it all three, it's part of his post-state of the union message really getting out into battleground states, talking about his accomplishments, but specifically that bipartisan infrastructure law that we've heard so much about today, the president went to the heart of a neighborhood, a street that will be revitalized and reconnecting communities that were segregated and split apart decades ago during segregation, those streets will be rebuilt. so we've talked about that using it as one example of how his infrastructure law is changing communities just one slice of something that's happening across the country. but wolf, the president, also made clear that wisconsin is so key in terms of an electoral matter. he visited one of his campaign offices and told volunteers and supporters just how close wisconsin could be >> thinking about this campaign is particularly here and milwaukee specifically, but
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wisconsin generally and several other states, it's going to get down to knocking on doors, old-fashioned way. no. really is. and it gets down to just make contact with people knocking on doors. >> the old-fashioned way, of course that is something that really did not happen during the general election campaign in 2020. of course, that was conducted during a pandemic. so it's a reminder wolf that this campaign maybe a sequel, but it has many different story lines and it's about many different things that campaigns will be conducted differently, but also so issues are different as well. abortion rights hangs over this campaign as does the israel hamas war. and we could hear protesters here in downtown milwaukee early clear this evening, where the president is going to be having a fundraiser this evening, wolf, that is another dynamic that is different in this race. so even though the rematch now is joined between joe biden and donald trump trump and the states are the same the issues certainly much different here for the next eight months of this general election campaign
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>> raga to be very busy covering all of this. jeff zeleny in milwaukee. thank you very much. let's talk a little bit more about 20:24 politics with us senator joe manchin. he's a democrat of west virginia. he's joining having us here in the situation room, senator, thanks so much for what you're hearing from president biden the state of the union address, as well as when he's out there on the campaign trail. now, does that make you more or less likely to support them? >> well, you know, he tells the story of what we may able to accomplish to 117th, congress will go down as one of the most productive congresses in any recent times in history of our congress and 118th will go down as the worst, right? now, we're on track to be the least performing congress in the history of our country. >> who do you blame for that? >> well, i mean, right now it's in the republicans from the house. they just can't get their act together to get anything moving. okay. no matter what's done in the senate, nothing is going to come back. >> so how do you feel about president biden election because you're an independent democrat, very indefinite. you haven't endorsed anyone yet?
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no, i haven't gotten tell you ready to endorse the president. yes, that's not at all. i know. >> i've said this the president is the president. i knew they got elected because he was a person can bring people together and i still believe that he has to come back to that middle. these been pushed too far to the left. and i've said this, the liberal wing, or the extreme conservative wing of both parties, are extreme that's not where mainstream america, america is 55% of us live in the middle center-left, center-right. and that's where the president has always operated his whole political career. that's >> really why wind and you've worked with them and you know, well, going back to his day you senator, i asked the question because you said trump if trump were reelected, that would create and i'm quoting you now, horror a horrible situation challenging our democracy. those are very strong words when you would think that if you really believe that you would endorse the president. >> i have said this. i love my country too much to either support or vote for donald trump. but also have my country too much to be to the extremes.
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so if we can move them back, it would be very, very helpful for our country, be very good for the president to, that's not his dna is not where he came from. he's always been that dealmaker. >> so what does president biden need to do to publicly and formally when you're indoors. >> well, we have an energy security. we have to get the border security greatest threat we face right now. i've encouraged the president to do basically a national emergency, declared a national emergency. the business. what's going on, the business model at the border and the the cartels are taking advantage of that. everything that's going on there is wrong. you can't have millions of people coming. there not been adjudicated. we don't know who they are, why they come and what they came for. that has to stop immediately and we have to clean up the border. and but we never throw the baby out with the bathwater. you have to have legal immigration, but you cannot allow immigration. illegal immigration taking over your border. he has to step forward on that and strongly because if you wait for the politics it's in washington to take care of the problems that we know we have. and every
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american would vote to take care of. it's not going to happen with the dysfunction that's going on. >> sorry. so we'll wait and see who you in the end you endorse it's not going to be trapped, but let's see if you've publicly endorse pure biden. the news of the day. >> tiktok >> getting past this ban on tiktok in the house of representatives, it's coming to the senate right now. i know you've co-sponsored a different anti-tiktok bill in the senate. but would you vote for this house bill if there's a vote? >> no, absolutely. i will vote to support. taking china out of the mass media market in the united states and having control over it we can't do none of our companies could do the same in china. and you have countries of concern. wolf, we have russia, you have cianni of north korea, and you have iran. those are countries have grave concern to us. they're not going to allow our media to have control of a media outlet in their countries neither should they have the same opportunities in our country. it's as simple as that. there'll be that tiktok can operate as long as it's under
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united states control. >> what do you say to younger americans, including as you've said, your own grandchildren who loved tiktok who use tiktok all the time and they would still as american, they just don't know that all their information is being gathered there could be used against them in anytime they don't realize that they look at the platform itself, they enjoy the platform. they're able to connect and communicate and learn a lot. but there's an awful lot of things on that. they shouldn't be on there. and to have china controlling that and gathering that information, it's wrong for america to let that to let that happen. >> you've said that you're ashamed of this current congress right now. you worry about the future of the institution as well. you aren't running for reelection right now. you've announced that. yeah. i want to get your reaction to something that republican congressman ken buck said while announcing he will resign next week. a good man from congress, listen to what he said it is the worst year of the nine years and three months that i've been in congress. and having talked to former members, it's the worst year
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and 40, 50 years. to be in congressman >> why are things this bad right now? and what can be done to try to fix it. let me the. duopoly that we have in washington is the business model of the democrat party and republican party. their business model is basically to divide. and if they can divide and weaponize politics and make you understand, pick us side with what saudi you on the other side is our enemy. we have do everything we can to defeat him. that's not democracy. it's not how we became the country and is not how we will remain the superpower of the world. ken buck is a good man. i like, can i know ken? and he's fed up. i'm fed up. okay. i've been at an awful lot longer than he has. i've been involved in state and federal politics about 40 years but without not giving up, we're going to my daughter and i were working on americans together. how do we allow people to understand that 55% of us that live in the middle have the power to change, not one of these people running today, president biden or former president trump, come
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when without the center part of this guy country. >> so you're not seeking reelection, you're dropping out, you're not going to seek reelection. will you ever run for public office again? >> i don't i never wanted to say never on anything. i don't intend to. that's not my intentions. i truly believe that the people need to know the power they have, use it. make sure the character of the people you're sending here are coming here. for the country's sake and not for their own party or their own sake. make sure that we start having an led me know that term limits. i believe there's a supreme court's would be 118 year term. i'll be president should be one six-year term. house should be six, two-year terms, and the senate to six-year terms. any of those variations, but enough's enough we need to have turnover and have people here for the right reasons and that's going to be a lot of things. how we elect people might friend, lisa murkowski, without ranked-choice voting and a promise she'd never gotten elected and i see things that can change. people just have to know the power they have because that's where it's at, right in the middle. >> i've been doing these interviews with you for many years. thanks very much for
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coming in. wherever you wind up doing good luck. >> thank you. >> thank you very much, senator joe manchin coming up. just how likely is a ban on the popular app tiktok here in the united states, the senate now taking up a bill after an overwhelmingly positive vote in the house against tiktok >> i'll just is calling the trap any couldn't any you can get out. >> vegas was having an identity crisis. that was the beginning of the downfall. but vegas at a different idea, vegas, the story of sensitive sunday at ten on cnn >> from need the dot didn't need it. now so many ways to say life ready, wallet, happy. that's 365 by whole foods market. >> everyone loves an extra hundred dollars in their pocket. he showed us >> they do >> to have a turbotax expert file your taxes for you by
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>> is the therapeutic aspect of music cnn news central, tomorrow at seven eastern >> one of the world's most popular social media apps, tiktok, could soon be banned here in the united states after a vote today in the house of representatives, cnn's lauren fox, look and what's next >> a bill that could potentially ban tiktok in the us. now heads to the senate
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after the house overwhelmingly passed their plan that would require tiktok chinese parent company, bytedance to sell the popular social media platform or face a ban at the end of the day for me, really came down to whether or not we can take some action try to deter the malign influence of the prc. >> but the bill wasn't without its detractors, 65 members voted against it including 50 democrats. >> the answer is not go selectively banning the flow of information from particular nation and the way we defeat china is being more hurricane, not lift those backing the bill argue they did so for national security, i know we're getting plenty of phone calls that young people really loved tiktok. and i lift that up. i think that's terrific. but i want to protect them from a foreign adversary collecting their data and manipulating it. >> tiktok is owned by bytedance, by dances in china. in china, any company has to subscribe to the national
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intelligence law in 2017, which says you have to be there's five who tell you two already president joe biden has said he would sign the bill if it passes, even though biden's campaign is on tiktok, opponents argue that could be a political mistake. do you worry at all about the political implications for biden for democrats in the election over supporting this legislation i don't know why you want to upset young people in 170 million people on a platform when there's at least restrictive, weighs less restrictive ways of achieving the goal. >> donald trump once called for an outright ban on tiktok, will leave the close up. tiktok in this country for security reasons. or it will be so. >> but now he's again it's the house bill. >> frankly, there are a lot of people on tiktok that love it. there are a lot of young kids on tiktok who, who will go crazy without it, the >> bill's future in the senate. now, less >> certain, i haven't come to a final decision as to whether or not it should be banned. >> senators marco rubio and mark warner, top members of the
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senate intelligence committee, committed wednesday to quote, working together to get this bill pass through the senate and signed into law. but majority leader chuck schumer has not committed to putting the bill on the floor when everybody and tiktok released a statement after that bill passed out of the house, encouraging senators to consider the facts. listen to their constituents, and realize the impact on the economy. 7 million small businesses and the hundred and 70 million americans who use our service, china also serving this warning to senators and lawmakers saying that this is an act of bullying. if they try and banned tiktok, also warning there could be repercussions for the united states. now, it's still not certain if this bill is going to come to the floor of the senate wolf, that is because you have yet to see majority leader chuck schumer promised to bring this bill to the floor. you also have maria cantwell, the chairwoman of the commerce committee in the
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senate, saying she has her own approach. she would like to look at wolff lauren fox up on capitol hill for us. thank you very much for that report. for a closer look at the major impact of tiktok ban would have have here in the united states. let's bring in cnn's brian todd brian, this could potentially affect 170 million american users, 170 million wolf. and that's more than half the us population. that's how wildly popular tiktok has become in the united states, we spoke to experts and business owners about the platforms, economics and cultural impacts on america, and what a bandwidth due to all of that horse bobbing its head to heavy metal, teenage stunts and skits. the popular perceptions of tiktok, but a ban of the app in the us wouldn't just curtail digital adolescent expression. think of businesses like summer lucille look at all this clearance we have looked at all this clearance. we have this stuff is good stuff. >> ya lucille runs the juicy body goddess boutique in
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charlotte, north carolina. she says when she started promoting her business on tiktok in 2022, it changed her life allowing her to expand her floor space to 15,000 square foot warehouse and get her into a mall location. she says this to the lawmakers voting to ban tiktok in the us. >> you are voting against my small business. you are voting against me getting a slice of my american pie, tiktok last year, said nearly 5 million businesses had accounts on the platform. >> you see everybody from moment pop bake shops who choose to share how they make cakes and cookies on tiktok. getting people through the door because of the videos that they post their to independent businesses who tout their wares using the app and all of them rely on that personal connection that tiktok provides a ban on tiktok would touch more than half the american population. tiktok fox says, it's gotten more than 170 million users in the us. >> it's replaced television for a lot of young people. this is where most people are
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getting young people especially are getting their video is where they're socializing with friends. it's where they're getting inspiration for new ideas. it's where they're putting themselves out there as creators. >> i asked for the demographics of tiktok. it's predominantly used by people between the ages of 18.34 experts say a ban inside the us could definitely affect how millions of americans spend their leisure time. >> the average american spends something like feature film length on tiktok every single day. >> its >> influence on american culture. observers say has been enormous. >> this is where entertainment happens, this is where the commentary and analysis of entertainment world happens. this is where education happens. you can get >> educational videos, you can get news reports, many major organizations, as well as politicians, including president biden, has taken to the app bot ben could also conceivably prevent the chinese communist party from using tiktok to spy on americans or influence the upcoming election something the director of
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national intelligence warned about when testifying on capitol hill this week, we cannot rule out that the ccp could use it correct. >> now, tiktok has argued that a ban the us would have a huge impact on small and medium-sized businesses, creators influencers, and advertisers. but analyst sara fischer says, maybe not. she points out that there are plenty of tiktok's competitors where people and businesses can go to place content and ads. wolf very interesting lots at stake right now, brian todd, thank you very, very much. just ahead, the ntsb raises yet another red flag about boeing after a series of safety issues, concern fliers here in the united states and indeed around the world anderson cooper 360 tonight at eight on cnn why always the >> couch does he need to get a puppy school, get his little
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russia, this coming friday our chief global affairs correspondent matthew chance is in moscow for us. he's joining us live matthew. so tell us what putin is saying >> yeah, it's the sort of rhetoric wolf that we've heard from the russian leader in the past is basically saying that russia wouldn't hesitate to use nuclear weapons if the existence of the russian state with threatened. but he also said that there's been no such need so far. so on the one hand, playing down the possibility of a nuclear confrontation with heavily armed russia, heavily armed with nuclear weapons that is but also ratcheting up the tensions and issuing a warning to his rivals principally, of course, the united states, that russia is still a military power and nuclear power to be reckoned with and shouldn't be pushed too far. take a listen i'm not sure three other our triad, the nuclear triad is more moderate than any other triad, and it's only us in the
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>> americans who have such triads. in general, if we talk about the carriers in the number of warheads, we are more or less equal but hours or more modern payment and that does nice that they have it talking comparisons there between the russian and the american nuclear triad. but remember, we're just few days away now, wolf, from a presidential election, this country, vladimir putin isn't just talking to the world and talking to america. he's also talking to his own people at the message is trying to communicate to them is, look, i am the leader who is able to protect you against external threats particularly the nato threat that many russians perceive from outside the borders of the country. wolf significant indeed, matthew chance in moscow for us. thank you very much joining us now, our chief national security analyst, jim sciutto, he's the author of a very important brand-new book entitled the return of great powers, russia, china, and the next world war.
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it really is an excellent book and thank you, and i want to get your thoughts on these latest threats about nuclear war that putin is delivering right now, because you have extensive reporting and your new book about these threats. >> we know it's not entirely empty rhetoric because there was a moment in late 2022 when the us was deeply concerned that russia was about to use a nuclear weapon in ukraine to the point where i'm told by us officials that they were preparing rigorously direct quote for that very possibility. and marshall the world to get russia to move back from the nuclear brink, including enlisting the help of indian leaders and chinese leaders in xi jinping i asked us officials in reporting this book whether that fear has entirely dissipated. and here's what a senior us official told me in the book. he said, it's not something that is ever far from our minds. we continue to refine plans and it's not beyond the realm of possibility that we could be confronting at least
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the rising risk of this again, in the months ahead. so they are watching closely and they listened closely when putin speaks, because oftentimes he means what he says, yes, certainly does. >> how worried >> are eastern european leaders right now, including some nato allies about putin's next target. if it's a huge, if, if russia were to win this war in ukraine, they will say very openly we are next in effect, i spoke to the estonian prime minister kaja carlos extremely close to the russian threat, right on the russian border. and it's only 30 years ago that they won their independence of russia. so they speak with personal experience of what it's like to live under russian or of course, at that time soviet power and she says, she said to me many times that in the east they understand russia better and that some of the western nato allies just don't see the threat to the degree that they do. she said to me the following for the book, they have much better neighbors speaking of western european nato allies, they don't deal with this for them, the security issue who is a nice
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intellectual conversation to be having? it's not an existential threat like it is for us. so she's calling the threat of russia existential because they believe that russia might very well make the decision to invade even a nato ally, particularly if they get what they want ukraine. and it's not just in europe that folks are worried about putin. you're also reported in the book that putin's campaign in ukraine could embolden, let's say the chinese leadership president chief for example, to go ahead and invade taiwan. that's right wherever i went for this book. and that includes eastern europe, western europe, us officials. i spoke to here at the highest level, but also to asia. i spent time and taiwan on for this book speaking to political leaders and commanders, all of them say that xi jinping in china are watching russia's experience in ukraine. so they could learn lessons one about how they might be able to win a similar war against taiwan, but also how the west reacts and this is a quote from the cia director bill burns prince
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saying that as russia has stumbled in ukraine, it's been more difficult than even he imagined that china might use that as a trigger to act more quickly against taiwan. this is what bill burns told me. he said xi xi jinping's sort of like putin with ukraine starts to worry that his window is closing to achieve what he believes is his his destiny, which is to control taiwan, that can lead to autocrats, especially in the absence of a lot of contrary views and their inner circle and anything else to make the kind of stupid decision that putin made in ukraine. it's quite direct words from the cia director about just how serious that threat is, not just putin to ukraine pain, but china and xi to taiwan than a lot of new reporting in this book. thank you very mike, you will. jim sciutto, our colleague here in the situation room, and to our viewers, be sure to check out jim's new book, the return of great powers, russia, china, and the next world war. it's available right now also tonight, a very disturbing new snapshot of the deadly toll from the israel hamas war, the
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united nations now says more children were killed in four months of war in gaza, than were killed during four years of war, worldwide. un says a total of 12,193 children were killed all wars between 2,019.20, 22 compared to at least 12,300 children reportedly killed in gaza since the october 7 attack on israel through last month. very disturbing indeed, we'll be right back what does it mean to be outfront? >> it's going there. we are just about three miles from the gaza border. it's context and curiosity so you can be outside >> let's go outfront. >> erin burnett, outfront next on cnn. >> if advanced lung cancer, as you >> searching for possibilities, discover a different first treatment immunotherapies work with your immune system to attack cancer, but up devo plus year-boy is the first
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>> well, the woman leading this investigation is now putting boeing on blast. again, ntsb chair jennifer homendy it says that boeing's a lack of a paper trail is hampering this investigation. remember, the ntsb's preliminary report on the january 5 incident said this boeing did not re-install for critical door plug bolts before this 737 max was delivered to alaska airlines, the bolts were removed the boeing factory in renton, washington for corrective work on another part of the plane, the ntsb says boeing has not been able to produce the paperwork that details that work. here is what homedy says in her new update of the senators on the committee overseeing aviation, the absence of those records will complicate the ntsb's destination moving forward, she also underscored that boeing has been unable to locate the security footage of that work. boeing has responded here, wolf and says that it has supported the investigation from the start and continues to do so.
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>> i understand that a key piece of evidence on another boeing plane that experience what they paul technical technical error in new zealand has now been discovered. tell us about this >> investigation is >> really hitting its stride. it dovetails off of the door plug investigation, but it involves a different airplane. it is not a 737 max nine. this was a boeing 787, a latam airlines plane that was flying from sydney need to auckland, new zealand on monday, the crew told other passengers on board the plane that they experienced some sort of technical event. and the latest development here is that authorities in new zealand have been able to recover the black boxes onboard that will be so key because the pilot said there displays went completely dark causing them to briefly lose control of this plane. the flight data recorder and the cockpit voice recorder will give investigators a lot of clues, especially the data recorder, which will show the airspeed, the altitude of the plane, the position of the controls, even the position of some of the switches on board,
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the plane. and so investigators can now really dig in those recorders have now been moved to cure area. it's really chile or latam airlines is base that's leading this investigation. >> now, muntean, we are grateful to you. you really don't. your screen. thanks, wolf, he knows aviation really well coming up. the fate of james crumbley, the father of the michigan school shooter, ethan crumbley. now in the hands of a jury, we have details from today's dramatic closing arguments that's coming up right after it quickly >> on the chasing life podcast, dr. sanjay gupta goes inside the world of weight loss. >> they knew miracle drugs. >> and >> what we really tells us about her health chasing life with dr. sanjay gupta. listen wherever you get your podcasts or the facts. >> susie here is shopping for a used car, but she doesn't know that nearly half of them have been in an accident. interesting, the car facts.com shows how accidents impact. right? so she doesn't have have to overpay on pause shot the all new car backs.com
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back in 2021. cnn's jean casarez is outside the courthouse where jean give us the latest well, the latest is they deliberated about an hour-and-a-half before going home today. and the final jury is six men and six women the prosecution really hammered home that james crumbley was aware that his son had mental health issues, but nonetheless, bottom of gun. and the very last moments, the morning of the mass shooting when he was presented at the school with a math worksheet that had bullets, blood everywhere. the world is dead. a stick figure, a gun that he should have taken him out of school even if he had to do doordash, he could put him in the front seat as he was making the deliveries and he should have gone home at that point to see if that gun was still there before the mass shooting. and that in and of itself is gross negligence causing the death of those four students. take a listen james crumbley was presented with the
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easiest, most glaring opportunities to prevent the deaths of the four students and he did nothing. >> james crumbley had no idea what his son was capable of he had no idea what his son was planning, and he had absolutely no idea but his son had access to those firearms >> so the strength of the defense is that witness after witness took the stand from the dean to the counselor, to the vice principal, who had known ethan for a long time and they said, we never dreamed he would do this. the vice principal said, i've known him since elementary school tweak kid and other words, the defense is trying to show that ethan crumbley fooled everybody, including his father, wolf. they'll be back deliberating tomorrow morning, 08:30 a.m. sharp >> we'll be watching together with you, jean casarez. thank you very much. enter our viewers. thanks.

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