prosecutors argue that james crumbley missed the warning signs from his son and failed to secure the gun that he used in the shooting. but the defense says there was no evidence that he had any idea what his son was going to do james crumbley was presented with the easiest, most glaring opportunities to prevent the deaths of these four students and he did nothing >> did >> not he did nothing over and over and over again. and >> admin shelf that james crumbley had no idea what his son was capable of. he had no idea what his son was planning, and he had absolutely no idea that his son had access to those firearms >> james crumbley chose not to testify in his own defense, unlike his wife, you recall another key difference at his

trial has been the focus on his decision to buy a gun for his son as a gift, just four days before the shooting. >> and how that weapon was toward the jury deliberated for about an hour-and-a-half today, it took a different jury in jennifer crumbley's trial, about 11 hours to reach a verdict thank you all for watching. our coverage continues >> tonight on 360 the 91 felony counts against the former president are now 88 with a judge's ruling in georgia. how he came to that conclusion and where it leaves a case already deep in turmoil over the da who brought it. also tonight, the trump takeover, the republican national committee. now the person just hired to protect election integrity is one of the biggest election deniers out there, or keeping them honest. plus, what comes next after the house overwhelmingly approves a bill that could shut down or forced the sale of tiktok and also divide the republican party. >> good evening. thanks for joining us. we begin tonight with fulton county da fani willis is shrinking thinking

case against the former president and his allies. today, the presiding judge throughout six of the 41 charges, including three, naming trump, one of which related to this now infamous phone call with georgia election officials so let well, i want to do is this. i just want to find 11,780 loads which is one more that we have because we won the state, seen as nick valencia is at the fulton county courthouse in atlanta, georgia, us. how so? talk about the reason that the judge gave for dismissing these charges. well, anderson, the judge >> was pretty pointed in his ruling saying that the da's office really didn't make clear what alleged crimes these defendants were soliciting from public officials that would have violated their oath of office. the charges have to do in part with this so-called fake elector scheme. and that's the scheme from trump and his allies to subvert the electoral college unlawfully appoint a slate of presidential electors. but it also has to do

with that infamous phone call january 2, 2021. we all remember the call, trump and his former chief of staff mark meadows calling the secretary of state here and asking him to find more votes. but in this ruling today from judge scott mcafee, he's saying that the da's office didn't necessarily prove or make clear to have these charges stick. here's what he's saying. in this part of this ruling saying quote, these six counts contain all of the essential elements of the crimes, but fail to allege sufficient detail detail regarding the underlying felony solicited. they do not give the defendants enough information to prepare their defenses intelligently going on to say this does not mean the entire indictment is dismissed. so let's be clear here. the entire indictment is not dismissed. in fact, the most important charge of all the racketeering charge still stands as there has there been a response from the da's office >> yeah. >> they're not commenting specifically. they said they star reviewing it, but there's a variety of scenarios that they can proceed going forward. they could either just proceed as is, knowing that they have

that rico charge in place, they could try to appeal or they could try to to fill in these details that the judge is looking for and then try to secure yet another indictment, but that would require putting the case in front of yet another grand jury and it would only really string out this it's already lengthy process. did the did the judge give an update on when he's going to decide whether to disqualify fani willis or not from the case because he said it would likely be this week, right >> that's right remember we talked about last night that interview he gave to wsp radio here in atlanta, conservative talk show. but just out of pure coincidence, we ran into the the judge earlier this morning on the front steps at the fulton county courthouse, we asked him about his timeline. he says he's still on track to make a decision by the end of the week, anderson. all right. >> nick valencia so when us now, cnn legal and legal analyst, norm eisen, also former georgia democratic state senator jen jordan. >> so >> norm, do you agree with the judge's reasoning throwing out these charges, particularly the charge related to that phone call anderson, i think it's a reasonable determination. you

do need to give criminal defendants an opportunity to understand exactly what the charges were against them. the judge did not dismiss the top charge. it's really the one that holds up this whole indictment. the rico charge, and that phone call, january 2, 2021, trump imploring brad raffensperger to just find 11,780 votes that the da alleges don't exist. that's still there at the center of the rico count so this is a very outstanding, judge. i might not have tossed out these cats, but i see the reason of him doing so. jen, >> do you agree because i mean, defense lawyers obviously celebrating this as a big victory despite the judge leaving the rest of the case largely intact. >> yeah. >> i mean, i absolutely agree. the end of the day this is really about due process and the only way that you can give someone alleged of certain crimes, due process is if they

know the particulars of which they're charged and here, what we have is, the allegations are that at trump and his team really tried to get certain senators are elected officials to violate certain provisions of their oath, which really the oath is just that you'll support and look, the us constitution of the georgia constitution are different. georgia goes even much more further in terms of protecting the individual rights of voters we even have an express right to vote and our constitution. so look, i think the thing is that the da just needs to take this back, take it back to a grand jury. resubmit it it really is more of a pleading issue rather than a proof issue. >> and he's >> he's the judge is basically shown her the way in terms of to make it right. so that they can move forward with this case. but i think they're just cuban putin, just to leave by

the wayside and keep going. >> so norm was this a failure by fani willis and her team? i mean, shouldn't they have predicted this for why, why bring these charges if it was weak to begin with? >> anderson i've practiced criminal law for most of my 30 plus years as an attorney, judges often split the baby. prosecutors are not perfect. i think the important thing here is that the brunt of the indictment remains intact. the top charge the rico charge, has not been touched, and this call is still a part of that rico charge. it is not at all unusual when you have a big indictment like this for the judge to find some fault with a view of the counts i have to disagree with my distinguished friend, jen. i do not think the da should delay things by going back to a grand jury that would

delay to act it would risk delaying things that cases intact. it's of the utmost public importance that we get an adjudication of whether donald trump, who is seeking to return to the powers of the white house criminally abuse those before by a jury of trump's peers and the peers of the american people. so i would not take a chance on delay. i'll note that the da if the da is disqualified, i think that's also unlikely that that would be an opportunity to also appeal this. but anderson sen. having hit the da today, i think it makes it a little less likely that the judge will do that twice in one week. >> i mean, jen, if the da is disqualified, this whole thing against her, ella mean that means her office gets off. the case, means it's kind of goes back to square one, doesn't it?

>> no, not really. i mean, look at the end of the day while her office may be off the case, they'll bring in another prosecutor's office >> budget ensures that that's going to push him back of course it will. of course it's going to push it back. but at the end of the day, what the judge is trying to do is to make sure that the case that does go forward, no matter what he does in terms of disqualification, which i agree with, the ambassador that she shouldn't be disqualified, but it doesn't really matter what he's concerned with is to make sure that the indictment really is bulletproof in terms of any kind of appellate issue that may be brought up in the future. and that's what he did here, not to say that the da's office did anything wrong. i mean, this is a case that we've never seen before. so the whole idea that you should know very specifically what you should plead and what you shouldn't play in a case that really we've never even seen brought before for the kind of crimes that have been alleged. i mean, look, they did the best they

could and all in all, they actually had a pretty good day in light of the fact that so few of the charges actually, the judge a problem with ultimately are a ginger norm eisen. thanks so much at the top the program we played a portion of the conversation the georgia election officials had with the former president at the rest of which consists of them debunking his election fraud claims. one by one georgia secretary of state, brad raffensberger i just mentioned, he's a republican. he was a trump supporter, but his facts on that call could not dispel trump's lies, even though is another republican georgia official famously warned those lies had potentially deadly consequences for the public servants who make elections run smoother someone's going to get hurt. someone's going to get shot someone's going to get killed. and it's not right. >> well, as it turns out, gabriel sterling is warning, then some three-and-a-half years ago may have been prophetic only now is seen as kim law is about to report. and a sick new twist, those who

would harm election officials are trying to make a police do it for them. take a look >> at emergency call, reports of shooting underway sean >> more than a dozen cars from the sandy springs, georgia police department respond what's. >> appeared >> for the inside a home in this quiet atlanta suburb >> but seconds, there's no lights on and house so i have a funny feeling. this is like a swap college or like a swatting call or something like that. >> swatting of fake call police to law enforcement of a violent crime underway, weaponizing the local police against an unsuspecting victim. in this this case, an election official. >> we all know the intent to swatting has to have somebody come out so confused and the police come out so hyped up that somebody gets hurt or shot >> what is the mindset of the

officer in responding to that column >> well, when officers in route, they're going through their mind the scenarios are different things that can happen if, if they're confronted by an individual, what they're going to do, the hoax creates a situation of a lot of unknowns he is it for a mistake to happen? >> it's definitely a possibility. >> i anticipate we'll probably see some more of these as we get closer and closer to the election. it's sucks, but that's the reality of the world we're living in now, swatters have at the homes of four election officials in recent months ahead of this november's election? election workers already dealing with threats now face this escalated risk, more personal and potentially dangerous attacks. a cnn analysis that's including interviews with 16 current and former election law enforcement officials, shows the tech swatter's use is advancing faster than the tools available to investigators jefferson city, missouri a call to police a man claimed yet an ar 15 and

a shot his wife. the address of the bogus incident was very surreal republican secretary of state jay ashcroft's home i think they sent seven or eight patrol cars to my house walking outstanding in my driveway with all the lights on my hands up. well heavily armed officers come out of the darkness is a different feeling. >> this could have gone sideways it could have. >> they make the most egregious allegations. they can in the phone call because they're trying to force the police to act out of adrenaline. >> all your children we're home. >> yeah. >> your wife was home? yeah >> we're officers all over spread out in their full tactical gear. >> your big guns. >> what's the purpose of it? >> and if it's ten timid aid, if it's to harass you know, it's it's pretty disgusting that that's what you're doing with your time strikes at the heart of our republic? >> it's scary that it's this prevalent >> the criminals hide behind technology using altered voices

like this swatting call to local police targeting florida senator rick scott's home last december. >> so it's just my scene but extractor three times and for boys, fast, it's hiding behind virtual private networks. the fake calls can bounce from internet locations around the world, often making it nearly impossible, say, investigators to arrest them i run a swat for higher surface and you can find them online. >> they >> operate so boldly and without fear that in about an hour we found anonymous accounts that claim to swat for money and you tell me how it works >> we are >> paid and given information on a victim, how do you avoid? getting caught when we swap, we use burner phones and ai generated voices. hence, we are not traced we're not worried even a little bit about being

arrested. it's also a reason i'm talking to a cnn reporter from my personal account you have to make sure that if people put other individuals and danger, that they're punished appropriately, that's how you curtail this. that's how you get people to stop doing that. >> kim enjoys on saturday. i had no idea that there were actually individuals who you could hire to do others. i mean, that's crazy what else can authorities do? i mean, given the how advanced the technology is, that's being used to make these thankfully bring dangerous prank calls >> i mean, it to be fair, it's a bit of an uphill climb because of that technological disadvantage, you're seeing some effort birds like senator rick scott, who himself was swatted. he's trying to pass introduce some federal legislation to toughen up some penalties and to make swatting a federal crime. but what we're seeing the election official level is that they are now starting to do tabletop exercises in new jersey last month, they basically ran

through what swatting could do to create eight havoc and chaos on election day and on a personal level for them, anderson, what they are doing, we are hearing is reaching out to their local law enforcement, sharing their cell phone number, saying please call fully understanding that when 911 is called or an emergency call comes in, they understand it is their duty to respond thanks very much, much more now on election denialism, that's the backdrop to all this personified by the new republican party codeshare, better known as the former >> president's daughter-in-law, look at the election integrity effort, so-called. she's just announced in the election denier that's been chosen to run it. we're keeping them honest and later in the possibility, new york jets quarterback aaron rodgers could go from the injured list or presidential running mate that and what we're learning about a sick conspiracy theory he shared privately in addition to his very public anti-vaxxer same beliefs >> anderson cooper, 360. he's brought to you by teba visit.

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they don't trust the system we have, then we are no longer the country we once thought we were so that's lara trump, the new republican national committee co-chair an election denier herself talking about overseeing election integrity. just two days ago, she also presided over a purge of rnc officials. >> and >> who did the rnc choose to run this so-called election integrity division? christina bobb, another election denier, and i don't mean an election denier curious type. she has been in this business from the beginning. she worked with none other than americans disgrace mayor rudy giuliani, and others to push baseless election fraud claims after the 2020 election she was also involved in that so-called vote audit in arizona. remember by the so-called cyber ninjas who ended up failing to uncover election fraud. but that's certainly has not stopped ms bobbitt. she is it seems impervious to shame and relentless in pushing just proven and unfounded claims do you honestly expect president trump to concede the race? he

knows he won. it's becoming glaringly apparent that donald trump absolutely crushed joe biden in the election. there's massive amount of evidence of voter fraud and statistical anomalies that indicate cheating. they hope that by bombarding us with this news that biden is the president elect, we'll all just give up and go on with our lives and allow the democrats to steal the election yeah, all the claims she made there been debunked and rejected by courts across the country, dozens and dozens of them. but that doesn't matter to ms bobb or any of the election deniers. the grand old party is now donald trump's those who run it are all dancing to his tune. reaction now from mark mckinnon, former adviser to both the john mccain and george w bush presidential campaigns. what does it say to you that christina bobb of all people, one of the biggest election deniers there is now in charge of this so-called election integrity push at the rnc well, you're right. anderson, she's been the tip of the spear on election denial from the very beginning, start. and when she was a reporter at oan what's

clear though, is that this is become the decoder ring for trump world. in other words, you can't find anybody in the inner circle or the outer circle of trump world anymore. that will not say that the election was stolen. in fact, if you want to make any republican today, squirm just ask him at the 2020 election was stolen and this despite all the evidence that the us side and we all know and yet we also know that donald trump by repeating the lie over and over again as convinced more than half of republicans at the election was stolen and the bottom line is that we know the trump playbook now, which is if he wins, it was fair if he loses it was rigged and i want to play something that larry trump the foreign president daughter-in-law, the new rnc co-chair said last month about trump's legal bills do you think paying for president trump's legal bills is something that is of interest of republican voters

>> absolutely. >> go fund me, get started. that's why people are furious right now. they say the attacks against him. they feel like exhibit not just on donald trump, but on this country. i think that is a big interest to be know lara trump is saying that according to cnn's reporting, trump's senior advisers insist they have no plans to use the rnc to help pay his legal expenses. do you think the rnc? may end up paying some though, of the foreign president's legal bills >> well, she seems to think so and she's in charge. so i would gather that that's absolutely the case. and what's interesting about that, you may know that henry barbour haley barbour son is been leading an effort to try and ensure that that doesn't happen because he knows is as republicans have open working in politics for years, that low point of the rnc is not just to elect the president, but to provide resources and help for republicans running everywhere across the country. and what's happening with trump in the takeover the rnc is it's turning into a trump only effort. and it's clear to

everybody else down bow and the rest of the country that they're not going to get any help from the arms. >> yeah. i mean, what is the ripple effects of this down-ballot races across the country? i mean, every does every candidate then basically have to echo trump >> well, they have to echo trump. yes, of course they do. but it also means they have to fend for themselves because they just won't have the resources. if the money is going to trump's legal support or trump or anything, trump related. of course, some of it wouldn't a presidential election, but in any other time frame, a lot about that money would be going to help candidates across the board in all 50 states and if the money's going to legal efforts, obviously, that's not going to happen. >> the trump team is sort of been celebrating these mass layoffs at the rnc. what's the what is the effect of that? >> well, i mean, the effect is that they have made it very clear that the trump takeover

of the party is now complete and that you have to pass a loyalty test in lt. tested moved to florida. i gather to be part of the new rnc, but also again, it goes back to the original point of this report, anderson, which is if you're not willing to to repeat the lie, the main lie of of the trump mission here, which is that the election was stolen in 2020. then you can't be part of trump world anymore. >> mark mckinnon. thanks very much for your time. coming up, i understand. thanks. foreign presence, >> influence over house >> republicans apparently does not extend to the tiktok app, at least for now, both parties overcame his opposition to a ban today, the house vote could potentially end tiktok's presence in the us if its chinese owner does not sell the company, which likely would why it has come to this next. also, nfl quarterback aaron rodgers is on rfk juniors vp shortlist. sign some exclusive reporting on rodgers history of embracing

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influence on him. we'll get to the concern among policymakers over tiktok moment. but first the politics and melanie zanona joins us with that. so talking about the backstory on on why this past despite trump's opposition yeah. >> it's not often that you see republicans defying donald trump on capitol hill, but there were a few dynamics at play that made this vote different. number one, donald trump did not explicitly call on republicans to reject this bill the way he did with the senate bipartisan border deal. and number two, donald trump has somewhat softened his stance on this piece of the in recent days. in fact, anderson, i'm told that multiple republicans have reached out to donald trump and his team to try to educate him and explain exactly what the bill would do it as a reminder here, it is not not an outright ban on tiktok. it would require its chinese parent company bytedance to sell the app or else be banned in united states app stores. and it also does not require american ownership it just dictates that a foreign adversary can't own it. so in

the end, even some of donald trump's staunchest allies like marjorie taylor greene felt comfortable with there their vote and supporting this legislation, even though donald trump seem to be against it, what are the chances is going to pass the senate >> will there really is a divide in the senate right now. so far. chuck schumer, the senate majority leader, has been non-committal about whether he would put this bill on the floor or perhaps a different version. and the other complicating factor is that this issue really doesn't fall neatly along party lines. you have progressive senator elizabeth warren expressing support for a bill from republican senator lindsey ground that would dictate more strong hunger, privacy, regulations for tiktok's. so for tiktok's part, they are feeling still hopeful that this legislation will not pass. let me read you part of their statement. they said, we are hopeful that the senate will consider the facts, listen to their constituents, and realize the impact on the economy. 7 million small businesses and their 170 million americans who use our service. but anderson,

after that big bipartisan vote in the house, it is certainly going to put a lot of pressure on senate to act. >> no, no, no, thanks more now on why so many policymakers here's a lawmakers support the forced sale of tiktok perspective from mark esper, who was defense secretary under the former president and supports the bill security as for given your background, can you just walk us through the nature of the threat that you think tiktok poses? i mean, is it purely about data collection by a foreign power or is there more to it >> i think there's more to it, anderson, what is data collection? the second is disinformation put out by tiktok to the hundred and 70 million or so american users and of course there is but we know that the tiktok censored certain topics, such as tianamen square, uyghurs, hong kong security, things like that. so you have a number of factors there the fbi director chris wray has spoken about this on numerous occasions as well. and i would note in

december of 2019, when i was running the pentagon, we put out a security warning about tiktok, the military departments banned it from government phones. and we also put out a warning to service members and dod employees that they should take it off of their personal phones. so this is not a new issue either. >> if, you know, if this forces the sale of tiktok to have it be in different hands, would that satisfy you in terms of your concerns about it? >> look, i think so and that seems to be the view of the committee chairman mike gallagher and his democratic counterpart that that would that would make sense. clearly, something happened in the last week. some people think it might have been the recent intelligence briefing that may be prompted this action. so as such, they drew up this legislation that would go after. and interestingly as well anderson, here are the politics of this. there's some reporting that the white house actually helped the house committee draft the language in

this bill, which shows there's executive, legislative branch coordination here, which is a little bit unusual. >> does it surprise you that house republicans defied the former president on this because this is reported he recently reversed course on tiktok, indicating he now opposes a ban. he says it would help facebook, which he calls an enemy of the people and he denies it. >> this way. >> gop donor yeah, it doesn't have good way. i mean, i'm pleased only 15 republicans opposed the legislation despite donald trump reversing his own position and saying he doesn't support the cell. the politics on this, a really interesting again, the fact that joe biden, who was very concerned about the youth vote, has said that he will swiftly sign it if the coms he wants the senate so quickly. >> when you have >> antagonists like marjorie taylor greene, and aoc, both voting to oppose it. very interesting as well. and so all the politics in here make this is going to be really interesting to see how plays out here in the senate to in the coming days, if not weeks, do you think it's a mistake for people to be talking about this as a ban on tiktok because

there's in fact what the idea is really that it will promote the sale of tiktok to an american company or just taken out of chinese hands tiktok would still be available but that would be the effect, but it's not a ban and it's certainly i don't think it's an attack on the first amendment or free, free speech the way the legislation is set up, again with the assistance, apparently the white house would, as you said, force them to to sell tiktok and to get it out of control. the chinese communist party in beijing which is under the influence or which influences bytedance, the owner. so there is a way to do this. look, it's not unusual either. united states as the committee on foreign influence, the united states, cepheus, which reviews acquisitions of american companies, other companies, because we don't want foreign control particularly controlled by an adversary which doesn't which doesn't favor us are there other apps are companies out there that you think pose a

similar threat to privacy and data security >> well, i think people would argue that yes, there are there other apps out there that threatened private security are privacy and security in this case though again, it's the chinese communist party that has control over bytedance which controls tiktok or at least has influence with tiktok that would have the ability to influence, again, 170 million americans to put out this information. arguably the conflict in gaza is another flashpoint that really raised this alarm and concern and then my understanding is that there are other chinese social media sites out there that should also be looked at because they fall into this broad bucket as well. >> so grasp thanks for your time. >> thank you, anderson. >> coming up a cnn exclusive nfl quarterback aaron rodgers is on rfk junior shortlist for vice president. apparently we have new information on how his history of controversial remarks extends to sandy hook elementary school. and the six adults and 20 children murdered there more than 11 years ago. details and what he thinks ahead looking for a smarter way

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>> i'm robert f. kennedy jr. and showing his support for the candidates rebuttal to president joe biden's state of the union speech i realize i'm in the crosshairs of the woke mob bob, right now these days though, aaron rodgers, like his friend rfk junior, is his well-known for his embrace of fringe theories, as he has for his day job cnn has learned that in private conversations, including with cnn journalist pamela brown, rodgers has shared wild and unfounded theories about the 2012 sandy hook elementary school shooting calling the shooting where 20 children and six adults were murdered a government inside job, one source saying that several years ago, rodgers claimed, quote, all those children never existed. they were all actors rodgers through his agent, has declined to comment to cnn that's just one of the conspiracy theories. rodgers says promoted a lot of people, including jimmy kimmel are really hoping that doesn't >> that's rodgers falsely implying jimmy kimmel may somehow be linked to jeffrey

epstein. so elicit trafficking of underage girls after kimmel threatened asu rodgers back down. >> i'm not stupid enough to accuse you of that with absolutely zero evidence. rodgers stance on >> vaccines have also gained national attention. use that he shares with rfk junior when asked his vaccination status at the height of the covid pandemic. this was his response. >> yeah. i'm in sderot a few months later, a different story that i knew that this was coming down, that at some point i was going to talk about my status because i've chosen to not get vaxx after testing positive for covid rodgers detailed as an orthodox treatment plan. >> i've been taking monoclonal antibodies. ivermectin, zinc, vitamin c, and d hbq, hci q is shorthand for hydroxychloroquine a debunk therapy also embraced by his friend rfk junior rodgers even challenged fellow super bowl winning nfl player travis

kelce, who appeared in a pfizer vaccination ad campaign to a vaccine debate using a trump nickname. >> mr. pfizer said he didn't think you'd be in a vax war with me oh boy in fact, for me, because they in a on, me this is just conversation i'm going to take my man, rfk junior independent, >> right. >> and we can have tony fauci, his men rfk junior, with designs on white house. >> i'm not super political person okay. >> aaron rodgers with injured last season, but is expected to be playing when the jets start their new nfl season in september 2 months before election day gary tuchman, cnn, atlanta >> jaunes now to discuss the impact rfk junior and whomever he made his running mate may have on the race or senior data reporter harry enten. so how is rfk junior doing polls? you know, i think a lot of rfk junior supporters are those who

are not necessarily supporters, but those who just liked us against the machine type of thing, almost think this is almost a joke. but the fact is, it's not a jokat look at his polling right now. he's polling at north of 15% nationally. and i want to put that in some historic context for you. the only two other men are the only other two times it's just one man who polled at that level this late in the campaign are at this particular point as ross perot in 1990, 2.19, 96. and of course perot got nearly 20% of the vote in 92 got near 10% of the vote in 1996. and i think the question though is anderson, who would he pulls support from, right? what do you be more likely to pull support from joe biden or donald trump? the polling has a little mixed on it, but it does suggest that he would put more support apart from donald trump, them from joe biden. and i think additionally, if he decides that he's going to go down this road of nominating someone to be are choosing someone to be his vice president, who is quote-unquote anti-vax that could only hurt donald trump because the fact is, republicans are more likely

to be against the covid-19 vaccine. vaccines in general than democrats pratt's are. so this is something i think could definitely play out during the campaign and could have a major impact on the race. he is not on the ballot in every state what swing-state would you qualify for? yes. so this is the big question, right? i was talking with a pollster friend of mine. he said, i am not going to ask the rfk junior the third party as a third-party candidate at this particular point because i'm not sure he's going to be on the ballot that may be true in a lot of states, nationally, states like california, new york, we'll wait and see, you know, you have to get a lot of signatures to get on the ballot there. but in the swing states that actually matter if you look at the six closest swing states that joe biden won in 2020, you can see that his camp pain or his super pac says he has already gotten the signatures to qualify in four of them. arizona, georgia, michigan, and nevada, and in pennsylvania, wisconsin, you need 5,000 signatures or less to qualify in both of those states. so in my opinion, at this particular point, yes. he may not qualify and some of these states that

are not going to be competitive in the fall, but in the states that are close, that could actually make a difference in this campaign, the electoral college were ultimately matters. rfk is going to be on the ballot. and based upon how high he is pulling it, this particular point, he could in fact make a major difference in turn, one loser into a winter. and when winter into a loser his supporters opinions on them. this to me is the most interesting question we have seen throughout last couple of campaigns, whether it be 2016 or 2000, these third party candidates are these independent candidates polling very high and then sort of fall apart the end, most recently, gary johnson in 2016 and i think the question is, will he fall apart at the end? and if we look at the voters who say they're going to support them at this point, their opinions on them. do they actually like them? two thirds actually hold a favorable view of him. but in fact about one-third have no opinion of him whatsoever. they're just choosing him in my opinion because they don't like either joe biden or donald trump. and my question is when they really learn about his views, will they stick by them based upon history? i will admit i'm a little bit

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>> of several ukraine based russian paramilitaries. now striking across the russian border. can't verify their video, but the group says it shows their latest assault on russian soil ahead of a presidential vote that vladimir putin is certain to win let's talk with me. >> never mind voting at the ballot box says this fighter taking cover, join us in vote with the governor. he says his idea is that if it's go with it on more dramatic video from another group. the freedom of russia legion, say they assaulted russia's belgorod and kursk regions two russian villages they say were captured russian officials say all the attacks were pushed back with dozens of invaders killed, as well as several tanks destroyed it is ukrainian election interference according to the

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impact of its war next door is being increasingly felt >> matthew chance joins us now from russia's capital were more environment putin saying that that interview today quite a lot. >> certainly anderson about security in russia. he talks about how russia was going to bolster its forces in the west of the country on the finish border to counter the nato threat, finland has recently joined that that military alliance, he's not just talking to the world or to the united states as the election here in the next few days. and this was putin messaging the russian population that he's the strong man and that he's the person they can try he, they can trust to protect them from all these external threats, real or imagined that putin and the kremlin has been talking about for years. there is anyone actually running against putin? >> oh, yeah, there there are three people who have been allowed to run against

vladimir, vladimir putin at none of them are stand any chance at all. in fact, latest opinion polls so much you can trust them here, said they don't even register in the double digits in terms of popular i actually spoke to one of them at an election event a few days ago. leonard sloot ski and he told me, look, he wasn't even trying to when he was trying to come second which is extraordinary for a presidential candidate, although it's realistic given how the odds stacked against anyone in this country standing against putin. >> matthew chance from moscow, matthew, thank you. the news continues right here on cnn >> i'd right next, don lemon live on why elon musk is telling him that his ex contract is quote canceled. the abrupt announcement after lemons wide ranging interview with moscow we now have never before seen clips from that interview. what's that musk gauff plus putin's red line, the russian dictator directly